EU POLL: Turnout less than a third in most of Gwent

10.13am: TURNOUT in the European Elections registered at below 30 per cent in all of Gwent’s Valleys counties during polling on Thursday.

While more than 30 per cent came out to vote in Newport and Monmouthshire, between 27 and 29 per cent ventured into the rain, hail and lightning in either Blaenau Gwent, Torfaen or Caerphilly.

No result will be known from the election until all other EU countries have had their say – and Wales’ Euro candidates won’t know what parties have come out top until Sunday night.

However councils have been able to release turnout figures following verification of the vote.

The worst turnout was seen in Blaenau Gwent where council reported just 27 per cent of the electorate had taken part.

Both Caerphilly and Torfaen saw a 29 per cent turnout.

In Newport the authority gave a provisional turnout figure of 31 per cent, while in Monmouthshire the council said turnout was 34 per cent.

UPDATE 10:42am: Figures show that this year’s turnout hasn’t changed greatly from 2009's Euro election when around 30 per cent of the electorate in Gwent took part.

Blaenau Gwent council said in 2009 it saw a 27.39 per cent turnout, while Newport council said 29 per cent of Newport West voters turned out that year while 31 per cent of Newport East voters took part.

In the Monmouth constituency 36.9 per cent voted, according to figures from the House of Commons Library, which also showed that 20.9 per cent voted in Islwyn and 27.5 per cent took part in Torfaen.

Figures are given for MPs' areas rather than local authorities as the 2009 election was broken down to constituencies – while this year the count is taking place on a local authority basis before the results are handed to Pembrokeshire.

The whole of Wales saw a turnout of 30.4 per cent in 2009.

UPDATE 1.12pm: The overall turnout for Wales in yesterday's poll was 32 per cent, according to Pembrokeshire County Council.

That is up on the turnout of the around 30 per cent turnout in 2009, but only just.

The national figures revealed Blaenau Gwent had the joint worst turnout in Wales with Methyr Tydfil at 27 per cent.

Nick Smith, Labour MP for Blaenau Gwent, said: “It’s a pity the turnout was lower as the European elections are important ones.

“I hope that Labour gets over 50 per cent of the vote this time as that will be a big boost compared to last time.

“We do expect the smaller parties to pick up support as there’s no doubt that things are very volatile at the moment.

“Over the next year as we go towards the general election campaign we’ll be working hard to get the message across that Labour stands up for the people of South Wales and taking on the Tories”.

Steve Brooks, director of the Electoral Reform Society Cymru, said: "Whilst this low turn-out is far from surprising it should provide a wake-up call that business as usual cannot carry on.

“Interest in European affairs has rarely been higher in the minds of voters, yet the scene of empty polling stations this week highlights the lack of enthusiasm voters have in European democracy.

"Whoever is elected this weekend must commit to being a loud voice in Brussels for democratic reform. We need to give the Assembly and Westminster a greater role in scrutinising UK ministers attending high-level European meetings.  We need to slim down the super sized European Commission, and end the arrangement where the European Parliament sits in Strasbourg for some of the time".

UPDATE 4.17pm: Jayne Bryant, Newport-based no.2 candidate for Welsh Labour, said the 32 per cent turnout was “not surprising” and added: “We have worked hard for every vote, and I am humbled by the sheer number of Labour members who fought through the wind, rain and hail yesterday to get voters to the polling stations.”

Nathan Gill, the lead candidate for UKIP, said: “I think people that want to vote UKIP will have done so because it’s something people feel strongly about,” he said, adding he was “very hopeful” of topping the Welsh poll.

Plaid MEP Jill Evans, who is fighting to retain her seat, said: “To have fewer than one third of electors vote in this European election is very disappointing, and all political parties must take responsibility for getting more people engaged in politics and to vote in future, especially younger people.

"At the moment, it isn't clear if any particular party will benefit from the low turnout.”

A Conservative spokeswoman said: “Although the turnout was disappointing, it was also encouraging in that it was slightly better than it was in 2009 overall.”

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10:51am Fri 23 May 14

Independentvoter says...

Breaking News !!!! Councils won in England so far by ukip....... NIL.

Councils won by INDEPENDENTS so far.......16

Tory Councils won so far.....17

I know it is only early days but any mention on the news of the political earthquake caused by the Independents so far ? NO !

ukip have been around for 30 years and will no doubt do well in the Euro elections they always do.

I was expecting to wake up this morning to find that ukip had won hundreds of councils in England with all this media coverage they have had but to find they have not won one council is quite laughable.
Breaking News !!!! Councils won in England so far by ukip....... NIL. Councils won by INDEPENDENTS so far.......16 Tory Councils won so far.....17 I know it is only early days but any mention on the news of the political earthquake caused by the Independents so far ? NO ! ukip have been around for 30 years and will no doubt do well in the Euro elections they always do. I was expecting to wake up this morning to find that ukip had won hundreds of councils in England with all this media coverage they have had but to find they have not won one council is quite laughable. Independentvoter
  • Score: 1

10:52am Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Tell us then, please, someone who didn't vote-what would have made you vote? Don't you want to register some view about the EU? Don't you realise it affects you even if you're on welfare (your food is dearer)? Doesn't that matter to you at all?
Tell us then, please, someone who didn't vote-what would have made you vote? Don't you want to register some view about the EU? Don't you realise it affects you even if you're on welfare (your food is dearer)? Doesn't that matter to you at all? Dai Rear
  • Score: -6

11:03am Fri 23 May 14

paddyparry says...

I voted at 07:50 and was the first person they had seen that morning. My wife voted at 17:00 and was number 91 - not a ringing endorsement for the EU or the political parties.
I voted at 07:50 and was the first person they had seen that morning. My wife voted at 17:00 and was number 91 - not a ringing endorsement for the EU or the political parties. paddyparry
  • Score: 12

11:10am Fri 23 May 14

Independentvoter says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Tell us then, please, someone who didn't vote-what would have made you vote? Don't you want to register some view about the EU? Don't you realise it affects you even if you're on welfare (your food is dearer)? Doesn't that matter to you at all?
Since you have asked - Where do I start ?????

We had 600 years of a British parliament and laws but wheelchair users could not gain access into a shop or a building. We did not have any laws protecting people with disabilities. Governments did not care.

European law states that we must treat ALL people equally - what was the result ????

Wheelchair users have the same access as able bodied people. Thank you Europe !!!!

Also, why do you want all of your Human rights taken away from you ?

Just because one or two people abused the system ??? We just need to change the system and we can't do that if we are not IN Europe.

Some people have abused the bash for cash whiplash claims system and benefit claims so shall we stop all benefits for everyone and cancel car crash claims for everyone just because a few have been demonised by the media.

Anyway, we all have our own opinions on Europe - I am studying a module on European Law for my Bachelors of Law degree and personally I believe Europe is good for Britain and good for us !
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Tell us then, please, someone who didn't vote-what would have made you vote? Don't you want to register some view about the EU? Don't you realise it affects you even if you're on welfare (your food is dearer)? Doesn't that matter to you at all?[/p][/quote]Since you have asked - Where do I start ????? We had 600 years of a British parliament and laws but wheelchair users could not gain access into a shop or a building. We did not have any laws protecting people with disabilities. Governments did not care. European law states that we must treat ALL people equally - what was the result ???? Wheelchair users have the same access as able bodied people. Thank you Europe !!!! Also, why do you want all of your Human rights taken away from you ? Just because one or two people abused the system ??? We just need to change the system and we can't do that if we are not IN Europe. Some people have abused the bash for cash whiplash claims system and benefit claims so shall we stop all benefits for everyone and cancel car crash claims for everyone just because a few have been demonised by the media. Anyway, we all have our own opinions on Europe - I am studying a module on European Law for my Bachelors of Law degree and personally I believe Europe is good for Britain and good for us ! Independentvoter
  • Score: 26

11:12am Fri 23 May 14

Dugstar says...

I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP
I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP Dugstar
  • Score: 26

11:19am Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Independentvoter wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Tell us then, please, someone who didn't vote-what would have made you vote? Don't you want to register some view about the EU? Don't you realise it affects you even if you're on welfare (your food is dearer)? Doesn't that matter to you at all?
Since you have asked - Where do I start ?????

We had 600 years of a British parliament and laws but wheelchair users could not gain access into a shop or a building. We did not have any laws protecting people with disabilities. Governments did not care.

European law states that we must treat ALL people equally - what was the result ????

Wheelchair users have the same access as able bodied people. Thank you Europe !!!!

Also, why do you want all of your Human rights taken away from you ?

Just because one or two people abused the system ??? We just need to change the system and we can't do that if we are not IN Europe.

Some people have abused the bash for cash whiplash claims system and benefit claims so shall we stop all benefits for everyone and cancel car crash claims for everyone just because a few have been demonised by the media.

Anyway, we all have our own opinions on Europe - I am studying a module on European Law for my Bachelors of Law degree and personally I believe Europe is good for Britain and good for us !
So, as a college student doing such stuff you didn't vote. I repeat-why didn't you vote, and what would have made you? You seem to admire the Paris-Berlin Axis so why was a vote for Clegg's party out of the question for you personally? Clegg is, he says, very much for Berlin/Paris
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Tell us then, please, someone who didn't vote-what would have made you vote? Don't you want to register some view about the EU? Don't you realise it affects you even if you're on welfare (your food is dearer)? Doesn't that matter to you at all?[/p][/quote]Since you have asked - Where do I start ????? We had 600 years of a British parliament and laws but wheelchair users could not gain access into a shop or a building. We did not have any laws protecting people with disabilities. Governments did not care. European law states that we must treat ALL people equally - what was the result ???? Wheelchair users have the same access as able bodied people. Thank you Europe !!!! Also, why do you want all of your Human rights taken away from you ? Just because one or two people abused the system ??? We just need to change the system and we can't do that if we are not IN Europe. Some people have abused the bash for cash whiplash claims system and benefit claims so shall we stop all benefits for everyone and cancel car crash claims for everyone just because a few have been demonised by the media. Anyway, we all have our own opinions on Europe - I am studying a module on European Law for my Bachelors of Law degree and personally I believe Europe is good for Britain and good for us ![/p][/quote]So, as a college student doing such stuff you didn't vote. I repeat-why didn't you vote, and what would have made you? You seem to admire the Paris-Berlin Axis so why was a vote for Clegg's party out of the question for you personally? Clegg is, he says, very much for Berlin/Paris Dai Rear
  • Score: -17

11:40am Fri 23 May 14

Woodgnome says...

paddyparry wrote:
I voted at 07:50 and was the first person they had seen that morning. My wife voted at 17:00 and was number 91 - not a ringing endorsement for the EU or the political parties.
Not a ringing endorsement of the population of the Gwent valleys either. Their parents and grandparents fought and died to keep GB free form dictatorship and to right to vote.
[quote][p][bold]paddyparry[/bold] wrote: I voted at 07:50 and was the first person they had seen that morning. My wife voted at 17:00 and was number 91 - not a ringing endorsement for the EU or the political parties.[/p][/quote]Not a ringing endorsement of the population of the Gwent valleys either. Their parents and grandparents fought and died to keep GB free form dictatorship and to right to vote. Woodgnome
  • Score: -6

11:43am Fri 23 May 14

landyman3030 says...

The apathy of the population of the UK ( and yes Merv that includes us, even you ) is widespread and entrenched. Resulting, i believe from the seemingly constant stream of clever word play from all parties saying something whilst saying nothing, creating reactionary policy when they see a way to discredit an opposite whilst guzzling at the financial tit from an expenses/wages/ring fenced pension point of view.
They lie, they cheat, they steal....and we vote for them. Or not as has been proven.
People get fed up because fundamentally nothing changes. Tories and Labour pass the ball back and for with the liberals running around shouting to me, to me without getting a touch. ( Coalition doesn't count. )
Until we see a new party willing to grow a set and make fundamental changes to our society, nobody will come out to vote. and if nobody comes out to vote, we won't get the required change. Vicious cycle or what?
The apathy of the population of the UK ( and yes Merv that includes us, even you ) is widespread and entrenched. Resulting, i believe from the seemingly constant stream of clever word play from all parties saying something whilst saying nothing, creating reactionary policy when they see a way to discredit an opposite whilst guzzling at the financial tit from an expenses/wages/ring fenced pension point of view. They lie, they cheat, they steal....and we vote for them. Or not as has been proven. People get fed up because fundamentally nothing changes. Tories and Labour pass the ball back and for with the liberals running around shouting to me, to me without getting a touch. ( Coalition doesn't count. ) Until we see a new party willing to grow a set and make fundamental changes to our society, nobody will come out to vote. and if nobody comes out to vote, we won't get the required change. Vicious cycle or what? landyman3030
  • Score: 11

11:50am Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Woodgnome wrote:
paddyparry wrote:
I voted at 07:50 and was the first person they had seen that morning. My wife voted at 17:00 and was number 91 - not a ringing endorsement for the EU or the political parties.
Not a ringing endorsement of the population of the Gwent valleys either. Their parents and grandparents fought and died to keep GB free form dictatorship and to right to vote.
Yes, though it wasn't universal. Who can forget "Maerdy miners-don't fight capitalist war" at least until Russia was invaded and new orders arrived from Moscow?
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paddyparry[/bold] wrote: I voted at 07:50 and was the first person they had seen that morning. My wife voted at 17:00 and was number 91 - not a ringing endorsement for the EU or the political parties.[/p][/quote]Not a ringing endorsement of the population of the Gwent valleys either. Their parents and grandparents fought and died to keep GB free form dictatorship and to right to vote.[/p][/quote]Yes, though it wasn't universal. Who can forget "Maerdy miners-don't fight capitalist war" at least until Russia was invaded and new orders arrived from Moscow? Dai Rear
  • Score: -15

12:05pm Fri 23 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Woodgnome wrote:
paddyparry wrote:
I voted at 07:50 and was the first person they had seen that morning. My wife voted at 17:00 and was number 91 - not a ringing endorsement for the EU or the political parties.
Not a ringing endorsement of the population of the Gwent valleys either. Their parents and grandparents fought and died to keep GB free form dictatorship and to right to vote.
Tell me about it. My 12 year old didn't know what a Suffragette was until i explained it last week. and she's a straight A student. They don't teach them real history anymore. If you don't know about the historic struggle for voting rights and democracy across the UK and Worldwide you won't appreciate what rights you have now.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paddyparry[/bold] wrote: I voted at 07:50 and was the first person they had seen that morning. My wife voted at 17:00 and was number 91 - not a ringing endorsement for the EU or the political parties.[/p][/quote]Not a ringing endorsement of the population of the Gwent valleys either. Their parents and grandparents fought and died to keep GB free form dictatorship and to right to vote.[/p][/quote]Tell me about it. My 12 year old didn't know what a Suffragette was until i explained it last week. and she's a straight A student. They don't teach them real history anymore. If you don't know about the historic struggle for voting rights and democracy across the UK and Worldwide you won't appreciate what rights you have now. landyman3030
  • Score: 23

12:15pm Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
paddyparry wrote:
I voted at 07:50 and was the first person they had seen that morning. My wife voted at 17:00 and was number 91 - not a ringing endorsement for the EU or the political parties.
Not a ringing endorsement of the population of the Gwent valleys either. Their parents and grandparents fought and died to keep GB free form dictatorship and to right to vote.
Tell me about it. My 12 year old didn't know what a Suffragette was until i explained it last week. and she's a straight A student. They don't teach them real history anymore. If you don't know about the historic struggle for voting rights and democracy across the UK and Worldwide you won't appreciate what rights you have now.
Not an undiluted success methinks, the struggle. Chartists wanted paid MP's . We ended up with MP's who pay themselves. Perhaps not what John Frost and Zephaniah Williams had in mind?
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paddyparry[/bold] wrote: I voted at 07:50 and was the first person they had seen that morning. My wife voted at 17:00 and was number 91 - not a ringing endorsement for the EU or the political parties.[/p][/quote]Not a ringing endorsement of the population of the Gwent valleys either. Their parents and grandparents fought and died to keep GB free form dictatorship and to right to vote.[/p][/quote]Tell me about it. My 12 year old didn't know what a Suffragette was until i explained it last week. and she's a straight A student. They don't teach them real history anymore. If you don't know about the historic struggle for voting rights and democracy across the UK and Worldwide you won't appreciate what rights you have now.[/p][/quote]Not an undiluted success methinks, the struggle. Chartists wanted paid MP's . We ended up with MP's who pay themselves. Perhaps not what John Frost and Zephaniah Williams had in mind? Dai Rear
  • Score: 7

12:20pm Fri 23 May 14

-trigg- says...

A simple way to encourage people to use their vote would be to threaten to take it away from them. In previous generations, peole had to fight for the right to vote but it is now taken for granted and therefore not treasured. Perhaps a system whereby people can only vote in a General Election if they also voted in the previous Local Election?

I would also advocate the use of technology to encourage the young and the lazy to get involved, provided appropriate safeguards were included. Internet and Text voting seems popular with entertainment programmes these days, perhaps this technology could be harnessed in some way, in a similar fashion to postal voting?
A simple way to encourage people to use their vote would be to threaten to take it away from them. In previous generations, peole had to fight for the right to vote but it is now taken for granted and therefore not treasured. Perhaps a system whereby people can only vote in a General Election if they also voted in the previous Local Election? I would also advocate the use of technology to encourage the young and the lazy to get involved, provided appropriate safeguards were included. Internet and Text voting seems popular with entertainment programmes these days, perhaps this technology could be harnessed in some way, in a similar fashion to postal voting? -trigg-
  • Score: 5

12:30pm Fri 23 May 14

displayed says...

There wasnt really much choice betwen the lot of em, they all promise something and end up delivering nuthin.............

A country deserves the political power it gets, cos someone voted for em.
There wasnt really much choice betwen the lot of em, they all promise something and end up delivering nuthin............. A country deserves the political power it gets, cos someone voted for em. displayed
  • Score: -5

12:42pm Fri 23 May 14

kez1968 says...

Do like Australia and give everyone a small fine for not voting, it will get the apathetic off there lazy arses, right wing or left wing it don't matter just vote.
Do like Australia and give everyone a small fine for not voting, it will get the apathetic off there lazy arses, right wing or left wing it don't matter just vote. kez1968
  • Score: 14

12:55pm Fri 23 May 14

Gazzla says...

The only way you to get high turnout rates is to change the system and make it compulsory to vote with some sort of financial penalty if you don't turn out to do so. Lots of pros and cons on such a system - it's a civic right not a civic duty, individual freedom etc. What do you all think of it being made compulsory ?
The only way you to get high turnout rates is to change the system and make it compulsory to vote with some sort of financial penalty if you don't turn out to do so. Lots of pros and cons on such a system - it's a civic right not a civic duty, individual freedom etc. What do you all think of it being made compulsory ? Gazzla
  • Score: 17

1:12pm Fri 23 May 14

throwy1 says...

U.K.I.P x
U.K.I.P x throwy1
  • Score: -4

1:23pm Fri 23 May 14

-trigg- says...

Gazzla wrote:
The only way you to get high turnout rates is to change the system and make it compulsory to vote with some sort of financial penalty if you don't turn out to do so. Lots of pros and cons on such a system - it's a civic right not a civic duty, individual freedom etc. What do you all think of it being made compulsory ?
If voting were to be made compulsory then there would need to be a "none of the above" option on ballot papers to prevent people being forced to vote for a candidate they didn't agree with.
[quote][p][bold]Gazzla[/bold] wrote: The only way you to get high turnout rates is to change the system and make it compulsory to vote with some sort of financial penalty if you don't turn out to do so. Lots of pros and cons on such a system - it's a civic right not a civic duty, individual freedom etc. What do you all think of it being made compulsory ?[/p][/quote]If voting were to be made compulsory then there would need to be a "none of the above" option on ballot papers to prevent people being forced to vote for a candidate they didn't agree with. -trigg-
  • Score: 7

1:39pm Fri 23 May 14

Independentvoter says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Independentvoter wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Tell us then, please, someone who didn't vote-what would have made you vote? Don't you want to register some view about the EU? Don't you realise it affects you even if you're on welfare (your food is dearer)? Doesn't that matter to you at all?
Since you have asked - Where do I start ?????

We had 600 years of a British parliament and laws but wheelchair users could not gain access into a shop or a building. We did not have any laws protecting people with disabilities. Governments did not care.

European law states that we must treat ALL people equally - what was the result ????

Wheelchair users have the same access as able bodied people. Thank you Europe !!!!

Also, why do you want all of your Human rights taken away from you ?

Just because one or two people abused the system ??? We just need to change the system and we can't do that if we are not IN Europe.

Some people have abused the bash for cash whiplash claims system and benefit claims so shall we stop all benefits for everyone and cancel car crash claims for everyone just because a few have been demonised by the media.

Anyway, we all have our own opinions on Europe - I am studying a module on European Law for my Bachelors of Law degree and personally I believe Europe is good for Britain and good for us !
So, as a college student doing such stuff you didn't vote. I repeat-why didn't you vote, and what would have made you? You seem to admire the Paris-Berlin Axis so why was a vote for Clegg's party out of the question for you personally? Clegg is, he says, very much for Berlin/Paris
I did vote nothing would ever stop me
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Tell us then, please, someone who didn't vote-what would have made you vote? Don't you want to register some view about the EU? Don't you realise it affects you even if you're on welfare (your food is dearer)? Doesn't that matter to you at all?[/p][/quote]Since you have asked - Where do I start ????? We had 600 years of a British parliament and laws but wheelchair users could not gain access into a shop or a building. We did not have any laws protecting people with disabilities. Governments did not care. European law states that we must treat ALL people equally - what was the result ???? Wheelchair users have the same access as able bodied people. Thank you Europe !!!! Also, why do you want all of your Human rights taken away from you ? Just because one or two people abused the system ??? We just need to change the system and we can't do that if we are not IN Europe. Some people have abused the bash for cash whiplash claims system and benefit claims so shall we stop all benefits for everyone and cancel car crash claims for everyone just because a few have been demonised by the media. Anyway, we all have our own opinions on Europe - I am studying a module on European Law for my Bachelors of Law degree and personally I believe Europe is good for Britain and good for us ![/p][/quote]So, as a college student doing such stuff you didn't vote. I repeat-why didn't you vote, and what would have made you? You seem to admire the Paris-Berlin Axis so why was a vote for Clegg's party out of the question for you personally? Clegg is, he says, very much for Berlin/Paris[/p][/quote]I did vote nothing would ever stop me Independentvoter
  • Score: 11

1:44pm Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Well then, with respect, as they say, you're not qualified to answer my question. Anyone like to say why they DIDN'T vote as opposed to why they did?
Well then, with respect, as they say, you're not qualified to answer my question. Anyone like to say why they DIDN'T vote as opposed to why they did? Dai Rear
  • Score: -6

1:57pm Fri 23 May 14

KarloMarko says...

I voted 1350 times after running my postal ballot thro the photocopier. Easy.

Expect a massive swing to the Caerleoni Revolutionary Socialist League/Make Terry Mathews Pay Council Tax Party. I have already drafted my victory speech.

"Forward Red Caerleoni"...The future is ours.
I voted 1350 times after running my postal ballot thro the photocopier. Easy. Expect a massive swing to the Caerleoni Revolutionary Socialist League/Make Terry Mathews Pay Council Tax Party. I have already drafted my victory speech. "Forward Red Caerleoni"...The future is ours. KarloMarko
  • Score: -5

2:17pm Fri 23 May 14

Independentvoter says...

You need to give people a reason or a hope for a change in their life to get them out and physically vote - so far it hasn't happened. Not even with ukip.

Huge turnouts in many parts of England though. That's because it's local policies from local Independent candidates standing not policies set by Westminster.

Many councils are turning Independent - people are fed up of the mainstream parties who like ukip cannot deliver !!!
You need to give people a reason or a hope for a change in their life to get them out and physically vote - so far it hasn't happened. Not even with ukip. Huge turnouts in many parts of England though. That's because it's local policies from local Independent candidates standing not policies set by Westminster. Many councils are turning Independent - people are fed up of the mainstream parties who like ukip cannot deliver !!! Independentvoter
  • Score: 4

2:19pm Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

KarloMarko wrote:
I voted 1350 times after running my postal ballot thro the photocopier. Easy.

Expect a massive swing to the Caerleoni Revolutionary Socialist League/Make Terry Mathews Pay Council Tax Party. I have already drafted my victory speech.

"Forward Red Caerleoni"...The future is ours.
Well done! I know your feat will have been emulated, though I doubt equalled, in mosques throughout the land. Next May you-and the Imams-will have to do even better.
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: I voted 1350 times after running my postal ballot thro the photocopier. Easy. Expect a massive swing to the Caerleoni Revolutionary Socialist League/Make Terry Mathews Pay Council Tax Party. I have already drafted my victory speech. "Forward Red Caerleoni"...The future is ours.[/p][/quote]Well done! I know your feat will have been emulated, though I doubt equalled, in mosques throughout the land. Next May you-and the Imams-will have to do even better. Dai Rear
  • Score: -4

2:21pm Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Independentvoter wrote:
You need to give people a reason or a hope for a change in their life to get them out and physically vote - so far it hasn't happened. Not even with ukip.

Huge turnouts in many parts of England though. That's because it's local policies from local Independent candidates standing not policies set by Westminster.

Many councils are turning Independent - people are fed up of the mainstream parties who like ukip cannot deliver !!!
You may well be right, but you'd have to point me in the direction of a UKIP government or council which "hasn't delivered". Where are they?
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: You need to give people a reason or a hope for a change in their life to get them out and physically vote - so far it hasn't happened. Not even with ukip. Huge turnouts in many parts of England though. That's because it's local policies from local Independent candidates standing not policies set by Westminster. Many councils are turning Independent - people are fed up of the mainstream parties who like ukip cannot deliver !!![/p][/quote]You may well be right, but you'd have to point me in the direction of a UKIP government or council which "hasn't delivered". Where are they? Dai Rear
  • Score: -3

3:02pm Fri 23 May 14

KarloMarko says...

Never heard of the (Persil White) Con, Lib and Labour parties Dai? Touring old peoples homes et hospices and getting postal ballots signed en-mass? From people thinking they are filling in their request for apple and custard for supper?

Politics dirty little secret...gone on years.


And its one think for freak parties to win seats on a wave, try defending them next time. UKIP are a basket case filled with exploding fruits. Boooooom!
Never heard of the (Persil White) Con, Lib and Labour parties Dai? Touring old peoples homes et hospices and getting postal ballots signed en-mass? From people thinking they are filling in their request for apple and custard for supper? Politics dirty little secret...gone on years. And its one think for freak parties to win seats on a wave, try defending them next time. UKIP are a basket case filled with exploding fruits. Boooooom! KarloMarko
  • Score: 0

3:35pm Fri 23 May 14

Mr Angry says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Well then, with respect, as they say, you're not qualified to answer my question. Anyone like to say why they DIDN'T vote as opposed to why they did?
I didn't vote, never intended to , no one capable of doing the job properly, all the Parties driven by outdated dogma
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Well then, with respect, as they say, you're not qualified to answer my question. Anyone like to say why they DIDN'T vote as opposed to why they did?[/p][/quote]I didn't vote, never intended to , no one capable of doing the job properly, all the Parties driven by outdated dogma Mr Angry
  • Score: -7

4:33pm Fri 23 May 14

Frankfurt says...

In Australia where voting is compulsory, so many people just put a cross in the first box on the ballot paper that lots are drawn to decide which candidate appears first. Compulsory voting is not the answer.
In Australia where voting is compulsory, so many people just put a cross in the first box on the ballot paper that lots are drawn to decide which candidate appears first. Compulsory voting is not the answer. Frankfurt
  • Score: 2

4:36pm Fri 23 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Several people i know purposely spoiled their ballot paper as a sign of supposed protest. I don't know if that is an effective way of protesting just as not voting or apathy with the system is an effective way to not have a say.
Several people i know purposely spoiled their ballot paper as a sign of supposed protest. I don't know if that is an effective way of protesting just as not voting or apathy with the system is an effective way to not have a say. landyman3030
  • Score: 3

5:34pm Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

KarloMarko wrote:
Never heard of the (Persil White) Con, Lib and Labour parties Dai? Touring old peoples homes et hospices and getting postal ballots signed en-mass? From people thinking they are filling in their request for apple and custard for supper?

Politics dirty little secret...gone on years.


And its one think for freak parties to win seats on a wave, try defending them next time. UKIP are a basket case filled with exploding fruits. Boooooom!
Well, Sunday will tell whether many people share your views. Of course in countries ruled by the dogma of your pseudonym all that boring old voting stuff doesn't exist.
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Never heard of the (Persil White) Con, Lib and Labour parties Dai? Touring old peoples homes et hospices and getting postal ballots signed en-mass? From people thinking they are filling in their request for apple and custard for supper? Politics dirty little secret...gone on years. And its one think for freak parties to win seats on a wave, try defending them next time. UKIP are a basket case filled with exploding fruits. Boooooom![/p][/quote]Well, Sunday will tell whether many people share your views. Of course in countries ruled by the dogma of your pseudonym all that boring old voting stuff doesn't exist. Dai Rear
  • Score: -6

5:35pm Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Well then, with respect, as they say, you're not qualified to answer my question. Anyone like to say why they DIDN'T vote as opposed to why they did?
I didn't vote, never intended to , no one capable of doing the job properly, all the Parties driven by outdated dogma
Fine. Don't whinge about the government though.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Well then, with respect, as they say, you're not qualified to answer my question. Anyone like to say why they DIDN'T vote as opposed to why they did?[/p][/quote]I didn't vote, never intended to , no one capable of doing the job properly, all the Parties driven by outdated dogma[/p][/quote]Fine. Don't whinge about the government though. Dai Rear
  • Score: -2

6:02pm Fri 23 May 14

Robodad says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Tell us then, please, someone who didn't vote-what would have made you vote? Don't you want to register some view about the EU? Don't you realise it affects you even if you're on welfare (your food is dearer)? Doesn't that matter to you at all?
What would have made me vote would be a "None of the above" option because I don't want to help anyone who craves power to get in a position of power. I made my statement by abstaining, I wanted to help the poor turnout and hopefully send the message to those who analyse the results that I, like most people, are apathetic to the whole corrupt process.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Tell us then, please, someone who didn't vote-what would have made you vote? Don't you want to register some view about the EU? Don't you realise it affects you even if you're on welfare (your food is dearer)? Doesn't that matter to you at all?[/p][/quote]What would have made me vote would be a "None of the above" option because I don't want to help anyone who craves power to get in a position of power. I made my statement by abstaining, I wanted to help the poor turnout and hopefully send the message to those who analyse the results that I, like most people, are apathetic to the whole corrupt process. Robodad
  • Score: 0

6:16pm Fri 23 May 14

Gazzla says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
paddyparry wrote:
I voted at 07:50 and was the first person they had seen that morning. My wife voted at 17:00 and was number 91 - not a ringing endorsement for the EU or the political parties.
Not a ringing endorsement of the population of the Gwent valleys either. Their parents and grandparents fought and died to keep GB free form dictatorship and to right to vote.
Tell me about it. My 12 year old didn't know what a Suffragette was until i explained it last week. and she's a straight A student. They don't teach them real history anymore. If you don't know about the historic struggle for voting rights and democracy across the UK and Worldwide you won't appreciate what rights you have now.
Yep, you're right. It is a cliche to bang on about the suffering that people went through to get the vote etc but such a shame that the majority are quite happy to pick up a phone to vote on X-factor, the Voice etc but not on something they can influence (if only marginally)....
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paddyparry[/bold] wrote: I voted at 07:50 and was the first person they had seen that morning. My wife voted at 17:00 and was number 91 - not a ringing endorsement for the EU or the political parties.[/p][/quote]Not a ringing endorsement of the population of the Gwent valleys either. Their parents and grandparents fought and died to keep GB free form dictatorship and to right to vote.[/p][/quote]Tell me about it. My 12 year old didn't know what a Suffragette was until i explained it last week. and she's a straight A student. They don't teach them real history anymore. If you don't know about the historic struggle for voting rights and democracy across the UK and Worldwide you won't appreciate what rights you have now.[/p][/quote]Yep, you're right. It is a cliche to bang on about the suffering that people went through to get the vote etc but such a shame that the majority are quite happy to pick up a phone to vote on X-factor, the Voice etc but not on something they can influence (if only marginally).... Gazzla
  • Score: 3

6:25pm Fri 23 May 14

KarloMarko says...

"NOTA represents a
meaningful campaign
to put None of the
Above on all ballot
papers for future
elections and give the
electorate real
democratic power –
the power to say we
don’t approve of any
of the parties listed.
If we are successful
None Of The Above
would become an
official option at the
bottom of all ballot
papers. Then everyone
has the opportunity to
register a vote of no
confidence in all the
parties and
candidates put
forward."

I voted None of the Above. These votes should all be counted. We do not have a democracy, we have an oligarcy, economic, financial and political, that is "legitimised" once every four or five years by this tokenistic farce. Just say No.
"NOTA represents a meaningful campaign to put None of the Above on all ballot papers for future elections and give the electorate real democratic power – the power to say we don’t approve of any of the parties listed. If we are successful None Of The Above would become an official option at the bottom of all ballot papers. Then everyone has the opportunity to register a vote of no confidence in all the parties and candidates put forward." I voted None of the Above. These votes should all be counted. We do not have a democracy, we have an oligarcy, economic, financial and political, that is "legitimised" once every four or five years by this tokenistic farce. Just say No. KarloMarko
  • Score: 4

6:43pm Fri 23 May 14

Bobevans says...

Major wins for UKIP in the Local Council elections in Englnd
Major wins for UKIP in the Local Council elections in Englnd Bobevans
  • Score: -7

8:55pm Fri 23 May 14

Independentvoter says...

Bobevans wrote:
Major wins for UKIP in the Local Council elections in Englnd
After 30 years of campaigning I wouldn't say major wins for ikea. They didn't win one council in the UK. They Build nice furniture though.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Major wins for UKIP in the Local Council elections in Englnd[/p][/quote]After 30 years of campaigning I wouldn't say major wins for ikea. They didn't win one council in the UK. They Build nice furniture though. Independentvoter
  • Score: 3

9:31pm Fri 23 May 14

Campaign for better transport/Swites.org.uk says...

Jest keeping update noted a few comment masters missing hope there ok?
Jest keeping update noted a few comment masters missing hope there ok? Campaign for better transport/Swites.org.uk
  • Score: -2

9:35pm Fri 23 May 14

Lliswerry Man says...

I keep hearing this bleating about people dying for our right to Vote, but what I do not hear is how can one Vote when those up for a Vote are NOT what one wants to Vote for....

Its all good saying we should not waste a Vote, then lets have a NONE OF THE ABOVE box, so we can let Politicians know we do not like ANY of them or their Policies.

ALL 3 parties are the same, UKIP are not even worthy at looking at.....so who stands for the working man, the unemployed, the disabled, the old...... NONE of the main 3 thats for sure, NONE of them have brought about a decent living wage, NONE of them have Given people the right to feel safe in their homes, whether owned or rented, NONE of them have made sure people do not starve on our Streets, ( yet throws millions in aid abroad ), NONE of them have made sure Pensioners remain fed and warm Long Term, NONE of them appear to actually Listen to the electorate, all they do is stand at your door, Make false promises and then follow the party line when voted in, THIS is not what people died for the right to VOTE FOR.

Until Politics recognises the many, over the few Elite, there will always be a poor show at Election Time....... we the people for the people, that was what people died for...... not the elitist groups now hiding behind the Labour, Conservative, LibDem banners.

I am not suggesting this is the reasons others do not Vote, as there will be many reasons, but then neither would I suggest people Vote for something or someone they do not agree with, and I personally dislike most of the parties various promises and lies.
I keep hearing this bleating about people dying for our right to Vote, but what I do not hear is how can one Vote when those up for a Vote are NOT what one wants to Vote for.... Its all good saying we should not waste a Vote, then lets have a NONE OF THE ABOVE box, so we can let Politicians know we do not like ANY of them or their Policies. ALL 3 parties are the same, UKIP are not even worthy at looking at.....so who stands for the working man, the unemployed, the disabled, the old...... NONE of the main 3 thats for sure, NONE of them have brought about a decent living wage, NONE of them have Given people the right to feel safe in their homes, whether owned or rented, NONE of them have made sure people do not starve on our Streets, ( yet throws millions in aid abroad ), NONE of them have made sure Pensioners remain fed and warm Long Term, NONE of them appear to actually Listen to the electorate, all they do is stand at your door, Make false promises and then follow the party line when voted in, THIS is not what people died for the right to VOTE FOR. Until Politics recognises the many, over the few Elite, there will always be a poor show at Election Time....... we the people for the people, that was what people died for...... not the elitist groups now hiding behind the Labour, Conservative, LibDem banners. I am not suggesting this is the reasons others do not Vote, as there will be many reasons, but then neither would I suggest people Vote for something or someone they do not agree with, and I personally dislike most of the parties various promises and lies. Lliswerry Man
  • Score: -1

10:52pm Fri 23 May 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Bobevans wrote:
Major wins for UKIP in the Local Council elections in Englnd
Reports confirm the following :
94% of Eligeable Voters Reject UKIP
UKIP control 0 Councils
UKIP have 157 Coucillors out of a possilble 3857 ( 4.07%)

Disgraced Tory Neil Hamilton gains only 396 votes and fails to get elected in Wandsworth

Reports also indicate that only a complete idiot caould claim any 'major gains '
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Major wins for UKIP in the Local Council elections in Englnd[/p][/quote]Reports confirm the following : 94% of Eligeable Voters Reject UKIP UKIP control 0 Councils UKIP have 157 Coucillors out of a possilble 3857 ( 4.07%) Disgraced Tory Neil Hamilton gains only 396 votes and fails to get elected in Wandsworth Reports also indicate that only a complete idiot caould claim any 'major gains ' BobEvams2014
  • Score: 13

11:30pm Fri 23 May 14

KarloMarko says...

Breaking News

UKIP's five point program for government..

1. The date will be "reset" to 1953.

2. Petula Clark will be made a saint.

3. All men will have short hair, wear blue blazers and mustard chords and tip their hats to a pretty lady.

4. "Reach for the Sky" will be on TV 24/7.

5. Only Tommy Steele will be allowed to sing "Rock an Roll".
Breaking News UKIP's five point program for government.. 1. The date will be "reset" to 1953. 2. Petula Clark will be made a saint. 3. All men will have short hair, wear blue blazers and mustard chords and tip their hats to a pretty lady. 4. "Reach for the Sky" will be on TV 24/7. 5. Only Tommy Steele will be allowed to sing "Rock an Roll". KarloMarko
  • Score: 0

9:08am Sat 24 May 14

Casnewydd lad says...

To be honest I, like many people up and down the country have not voted, for years I have been told you have to vote and sent a clear message to the government that is al ready in power, it's a wasted vote and you can't complain about the government if you haven't voted. I have seen labour, conservative and even a joint share leadership and the one thing I have noticed are they all talk the talk but doesn't walk the walk, all blaming the Europe parliament and say if we get in next time we will hold a ref about staying in Europe but this's doesn't happen, what has done it for me is who ever is in power just look to line their pockets how ever way they can. I am not moaning on here I just have really given up on it all and don't care anymore
To be honest I, like many people up and down the country have not voted, for years I have been told you have to vote and sent a clear message to the government that is al ready in power, it's a wasted vote and you can't complain about the government if you haven't voted. I have seen labour, conservative and even a joint share leadership and the one thing I have noticed are they all talk the talk but doesn't walk the walk, all blaming the Europe parliament and say if we get in next time we will hold a ref about staying in Europe but this's doesn't happen, what has done it for me is who ever is in power just look to line their pockets how ever way they can. I am not moaning on here I just have really given up on it all and don't care anymore Casnewydd lad
  • Score: 2

9:41am Sat 24 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Independentvoter wrote:
Breaking News !!!! Councils won in England so far by ukip....... NIL.

Councils won by INDEPENDENTS so far.......16

Tory Councils won so far.....17

I know it is only early days but any mention on the news of the political earthquake caused by the Independents so far ? NO !

ukip have been around for 30 years and will no doubt do well in the Euro elections they always do.

I was expecting to wake up this morning to find that ukip had won hundreds of councils in England with all this media coverage they have had but to find they have not won one council is quite laughable.
Not surprising considering the left wing biased BBC attacks and general hostility from most of the national press towards Farage.
We here in Wales will no doubt elect the same old Labour muppets back in again.
Nothing will change and we will no doubt be in a much worse situation than we were in last year, with a failing education system and NHS.
Anyway, you voted for it, so you deserve what you get.
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: Breaking News !!!! Councils won in England so far by ukip....... NIL. Councils won by INDEPENDENTS so far.......16 Tory Councils won so far.....17 I know it is only early days but any mention on the news of the political earthquake caused by the Independents so far ? NO ! ukip have been around for 30 years and will no doubt do well in the Euro elections they always do. I was expecting to wake up this morning to find that ukip had won hundreds of councils in England with all this media coverage they have had but to find they have not won one council is quite laughable.[/p][/quote]Not surprising considering the left wing biased BBC attacks and general hostility from most of the national press towards Farage. We here in Wales will no doubt elect the same old Labour muppets back in again. Nothing will change and we will no doubt be in a much worse situation than we were in last year, with a failing education system and NHS. Anyway, you voted for it, so you deserve what you get. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -6

9:43am Sat 24 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Dugstar wrote:
I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP
I expect you voted Labour as your father always voted Labour.
[quote][p][bold]Dugstar[/bold] wrote: I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP[/p][/quote]I expect you voted Labour as your father always voted Labour. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -8

10:46am Sat 24 May 14

endthelies says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Dugstar wrote:
I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP
I expect you voted Labour as your father always voted Labour.
Nawww. The cons didn't do to well did they. I wonder why? Surely its not because people hate this government. :-)
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dugstar[/bold] wrote: I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP[/p][/quote]I expect you voted Labour as your father always voted Labour.[/p][/quote]Nawww. The cons didn't do to well did they. I wonder why? Surely its not because people hate this government. :-) endthelies
  • Score: 1

11:41am Sat 24 May 14

BobEvams2014 says...

It has been noted that UKIP lost , thats right LOST two sitting Councillors, could this be because once they get elected they get found out ?
It has been noted that UKIP lost , thats right LOST two sitting Councillors, could this be because once they get elected they get found out ? BobEvams2014
  • Score: 10

12:18pm Sat 24 May 14

Ringland Boy says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Independentvoter wrote:
Breaking News !!!! Councils won in England so far by ukip....... NIL.

Councils won by INDEPENDENTS so far.......16

Tory Councils won so far.....17

I know it is only early days but any mention on the news of the political earthquake caused by the Independents so far ? NO !

ukip have been around for 30 years and will no doubt do well in the Euro elections they always do.

I was expecting to wake up this morning to find that ukip had won hundreds of councils in England with all this media coverage they have had but to find they have not won one council is quite laughable.
Not surprising considering the left wing biased BBC attacks and general hostility from most of the national press towards Farage.
We here in Wales will no doubt elect the same old Labour muppets back in again.
Nothing will change and we will no doubt be in a much worse situation than we were in last year, with a failing education system and NHS.
Anyway, you voted for it, so you deserve what you get.
So when old Far right rage messes up an interview, which happend on a regular basis, it's the interviewers fault for asking the wrong questions , ah now I understand !!!
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: Breaking News !!!! Councils won in England so far by ukip....... NIL. Councils won by INDEPENDENTS so far.......16 Tory Councils won so far.....17 I know it is only early days but any mention on the news of the political earthquake caused by the Independents so far ? NO ! ukip have been around for 30 years and will no doubt do well in the Euro elections they always do. I was expecting to wake up this morning to find that ukip had won hundreds of councils in England with all this media coverage they have had but to find they have not won one council is quite laughable.[/p][/quote]Not surprising considering the left wing biased BBC attacks and general hostility from most of the national press towards Farage. We here in Wales will no doubt elect the same old Labour muppets back in again. Nothing will change and we will no doubt be in a much worse situation than we were in last year, with a failing education system and NHS. Anyway, you voted for it, so you deserve what you get.[/p][/quote]So when old Far right rage messes up an interview, which happend on a regular basis, it's the interviewers fault for asking the wrong questions , ah now I understand !!! Ringland Boy
  • Score: 9

1:15pm Sat 24 May 14

Ringland Boy says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Independentvoter wrote:
Breaking News !!!! Councils won in England so far by ukip....... NIL.

Councils won by INDEPENDENTS so far.......16

Tory Councils won so far.....17

I know it is only early days but any mention on the news of the political earthquake caused by the Independents so far ? NO !

ukip have been around for 30 years and will no doubt do well in the Euro elections they always do.

I was expecting to wake up this morning to find that ukip had won hundreds of councils in England with all this media coverage they have had but to find they have not won one council is quite laughable.
Not surprising considering the left wing biased BBC attacks and general hostility from most of the national press towards Farage.
We here in Wales will no doubt elect the same old Labour muppets back in again.
Nothing will change and we will no doubt be in a much worse situation than we were in last year, with a failing education system and NHS.
Anyway, you voted for it, so you deserve what you get.
Please explain how another party will improve matters ?
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: Breaking News !!!! Councils won in England so far by ukip....... NIL. Councils won by INDEPENDENTS so far.......16 Tory Councils won so far.....17 I know it is only early days but any mention on the news of the political earthquake caused by the Independents so far ? NO ! ukip have been around for 30 years and will no doubt do well in the Euro elections they always do. I was expecting to wake up this morning to find that ukip had won hundreds of councils in England with all this media coverage they have had but to find they have not won one council is quite laughable.[/p][/quote]Not surprising considering the left wing biased BBC attacks and general hostility from most of the national press towards Farage. We here in Wales will no doubt elect the same old Labour muppets back in again. Nothing will change and we will no doubt be in a much worse situation than we were in last year, with a failing education system and NHS. Anyway, you voted for it, so you deserve what you get.[/p][/quote]Please explain how another party will improve matters ? Ringland Boy
  • Score: 3

2:45pm Sat 24 May 14

coalpicker says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Well then, with respect, as they say, you're not qualified to answer my question. Anyone like to say why they DIDN'T vote as opposed to why they did?
I didn't vote, never intended to , no one capable of doing the job properly, all the Parties driven by outdated dogma
Well there are fools in every society. Keep taking the the medication .
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Well then, with respect, as they say, you're not qualified to answer my question. Anyone like to say why they DIDN'T vote as opposed to why they did?[/p][/quote]I didn't vote, never intended to , no one capable of doing the job properly, all the Parties driven by outdated dogma[/p][/quote]Well there are fools in every society. Keep taking the the medication . coalpicker
  • Score: 1

2:49pm Sat 24 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Ringland Boy wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Independentvoter wrote:
Breaking News !!!! Councils won in England so far by ukip....... NIL.

Councils won by INDEPENDENTS so far.......16

Tory Councils won so far.....17

I know it is only early days but any mention on the news of the political earthquake caused by the Independents so far ? NO !

ukip have been around for 30 years and will no doubt do well in the Euro elections they always do.

I was expecting to wake up this morning to find that ukip had won hundreds of councils in England with all this media coverage they have had but to find they have not won one council is quite laughable.
Not surprising considering the left wing biased BBC attacks and general hostility from most of the national press towards Farage.
We here in Wales will no doubt elect the same old Labour muppets back in again.
Nothing will change and we will no doubt be in a much worse situation than we were in last year, with a failing education system and NHS.
Anyway, you voted for it, so you deserve what you get.
Please explain how another party will improve matters ?
Well obviously we don't know unless we give them a chance do we?
Could they really do worse than the incompetents that were in power for 13 years and managed to almost wreck the economy?
The ones we have in now are no better so isn't it time to give something different a try?
Or do we just trundle on regardless with the same old system that is failing, especially in Wales?
[quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: Breaking News !!!! Councils won in England so far by ukip....... NIL. Councils won by INDEPENDENTS so far.......16 Tory Councils won so far.....17 I know it is only early days but any mention on the news of the political earthquake caused by the Independents so far ? NO ! ukip have been around for 30 years and will no doubt do well in the Euro elections they always do. I was expecting to wake up this morning to find that ukip had won hundreds of councils in England with all this media coverage they have had but to find they have not won one council is quite laughable.[/p][/quote]Not surprising considering the left wing biased BBC attacks and general hostility from most of the national press towards Farage. We here in Wales will no doubt elect the same old Labour muppets back in again. Nothing will change and we will no doubt be in a much worse situation than we were in last year, with a failing education system and NHS. Anyway, you voted for it, so you deserve what you get.[/p][/quote]Please explain how another party will improve matters ?[/p][/quote]Well obviously we don't know unless we give them a chance do we? Could they really do worse than the incompetents that were in power for 13 years and managed to almost wreck the economy? The ones we have in now are no better so isn't it time to give something different a try? Or do we just trundle on regardless with the same old system that is failing, especially in Wales? Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -7

3:58pm Sat 24 May 14

Janaka736 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Tell us then, please, someone who didn't vote-what would have made you vote? Don't you want to register some view about the EU? Don't you realise it affects you even if you're on welfare (your food is dearer)? Doesn't that matter to you at all?
Although I did vote I nearly didn't because I was so unsure who to vote for. I think I received two campaign leaflets through my post (Labour and UKIP) but at the same time I wanted to at least have a rough idea what each party stood for in these EU elections. Fortunately I saw a link to a page that had 30 questions which each party had answered (well at least all parties were invited to give there answers to the 30) and then it compared your answers to the parties and gave a little graph to show the outcome. The results was a surprise to me and I think its useful to gauge where parties are currently at and not what the spin doctors try to show or past opinions.

Personally I think a bigger advertising campaign is needed to help people have a better understanding who to vote for. Granted this would cost money but surely its worth it, if the nation steps out and votes.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Tell us then, please, someone who didn't vote-what would have made you vote? Don't you want to register some view about the EU? Don't you realise it affects you even if you're on welfare (your food is dearer)? Doesn't that matter to you at all?[/p][/quote]Although I did vote I nearly didn't because I was so unsure who to vote for. I think I received two campaign leaflets through my post (Labour and UKIP) but at the same time I wanted to at least have a rough idea what each party stood for in these EU elections. Fortunately I saw a link to a page that had 30 questions which each party had answered (well at least all parties were invited to give there answers to the 30) and then it compared your answers to the parties and gave a little graph to show the outcome. The results was a surprise to me and I think its useful to gauge where parties are currently at and not what the spin doctors try to show or past opinions. Personally I think a bigger advertising campaign is needed to help people have a better understanding who to vote for. Granted this would cost money but surely its worth it, if the nation steps out and votes. Janaka736
  • Score: 0

4:03pm Sat 24 May 14

KarloMarko says...

I think they should just put something in the drinking water. Far cheaper.
I think they should just put something in the drinking water. Far cheaper. KarloMarko
  • Score: -1

6:20pm Sat 24 May 14

Mr Angry says...

coalpicker wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Well then, with respect, as they say, you're not qualified to answer my question. Anyone like to say why they DIDN'T vote as opposed to why they did?
I didn't vote, never intended to , no one capable of doing the job properly, all the Parties driven by outdated dogma
Well there are fools in every society. Keep taking the the medication .
The Country is in a mess, Europe is in a mess, my living standards have dropped drastically, who's fault is it ? Politicans, of all parties - clearly they are no good at their jobs as things keep getting worse not better. Are any of them worth voting for ? In my view no .


Now Give me one good reason why I should waste my time endorsing any one of them as they are all imcompetant ?
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Well then, with respect, as they say, you're not qualified to answer my question. Anyone like to say why they DIDN'T vote as opposed to why they did?[/p][/quote]I didn't vote, never intended to , no one capable of doing the job properly, all the Parties driven by outdated dogma[/p][/quote]Well there are fools in every society. Keep taking the the medication .[/p][/quote]The Country is in a mess, Europe is in a mess, my living standards have dropped drastically, who's fault is it ? Politicans, of all parties - clearly they are no good at their jobs as things keep getting worse not better. Are any of them worth voting for ? In my view no . Now Give me one good reason why I should waste my time endorsing any one of them as they are all imcompetant ? Mr Angry
  • Score: -1

6:38pm Sat 24 May 14

KarloMarko says...

Jon Snow
@jonsnow C4 News.

"A staggering 65% of the
electorate did not vote in
Thursdays local and Euro
elections. - that's THE
earthquake!"
Jon Snow @jonsnow C4 News. "A staggering 65% of the electorate did not vote in Thursdays local and Euro elections. - that's THE earthquake!" KarloMarko
  • Score: 3

10:07pm Sat 24 May 14

Bobevans says...

Polls predicate a UKIP win in Wales in the EU elections
Polls predicate a UKIP win in Wales in the EU elections Bobevans
  • Score: -6

11:23pm Sat 24 May 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Bobevans wrote:
Polls predicate a UKIP win in Wales in the EU elections
Reports confirm that 32% of the Welsh Electorate voted.

The last offical Poll in Wales was done on 11-22 April by You Gov

And forecast 20% for UKIP

The report concluded that 6.4% of voters supported UKIP and that 93.6 Rejected UKIP

As no other Polls have been commisoned the Report pointed out that any person saying that Polls predicting the result was in fact telling lies .
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Polls predicate a UKIP win in Wales in the EU elections[/p][/quote]Reports confirm that 32% of the Welsh Electorate voted. The last offical Poll in Wales was done on 11-22 April by You Gov And forecast 20% for UKIP The report concluded that 6.4% of voters supported UKIP and that 93.6 Rejected UKIP As no other Polls have been commisoned the Report pointed out that any person saying that Polls predicting the result was in fact telling lies . BobEvams2014
  • Score: 1

8:19am Sun 25 May 14

Dai Rear says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Polls predicate a UKIP win in Wales in the EU elections
Reports confirm that 32% of the Welsh Electorate voted.

The last offical Poll in Wales was done on 11-22 April by You Gov

And forecast 20% for UKIP

The report concluded that 6.4% of voters supported UKIP and that 93.6 Rejected UKIP

As no other Polls have been commisoned the Report pointed out that any person saying that Polls predicting the result was in fact telling lies .
Fallacious. Your grammar suggests you vote Labour but by so doing you don't "reject" other socialist parties , like Liberal/SDP. Just horses for courses. I didn't "reject" Conservative in the Europeans, I rejected the consensus between the Labour, Conservatives and Liberal/SDP which has prevailed for far too long. Butskellism was about the management of decline. It was a disaster. We need clear water between Conservatives and Labour and somehow I think this may start it.- e.g. Miliband's "don't talk about immigration" may not go down too well in your heartlands of Preston and Rochdale but it's honest. The Party that brought us uncontrolled immigration under Bliar is at least standing by its guns.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Polls predicate a UKIP win in Wales in the EU elections[/p][/quote]Reports confirm that 32% of the Welsh Electorate voted. The last offical Poll in Wales was done on 11-22 April by You Gov And forecast 20% for UKIP The report concluded that 6.4% of voters supported UKIP and that 93.6 Rejected UKIP As no other Polls have been commisoned the Report pointed out that any person saying that Polls predicting the result was in fact telling lies .[/p][/quote]Fallacious. Your grammar suggests you vote Labour but by so doing you don't "reject" other socialist parties , like Liberal/SDP. Just horses for courses. I didn't "reject" Conservative in the Europeans, I rejected the consensus between the Labour, Conservatives and Liberal/SDP which has prevailed for far too long. Butskellism was about the management of decline. It was a disaster. We need clear water between Conservatives and Labour and somehow I think this may start it.- e.g. Miliband's "don't talk about immigration" may not go down too well in your heartlands of Preston and Rochdale but it's honest. The Party that brought us uncontrolled immigration under Bliar is at least standing by its guns. Dai Rear
  • Score: -9

11:03am Sun 25 May 14

KarloMarko says...

Ironic that UKIP, "the only true anti Europe party" is a box of frogs.

Still Dai, not to worry. You can always write in "Golden Dawn" on your slip next time. Worth a free kebab.
Ironic that UKIP, "the only true anti Europe party" is a box of frogs. Still Dai, not to worry. You can always write in "Golden Dawn" on your slip next time. Worth a free kebab. KarloMarko
  • Score: 4

2:34pm Sun 25 May 14

Dai Rear says...

And indeed that the Labour Party is (currently) led by Wallace, but hey, waddya gonna do? Now if he'd move over and let Gromit have a chance.....
And indeed that the Labour Party is (currently) led by Wallace, but hey, waddya gonna do? Now if he'd move over and let Gromit have a chance..... Dai Rear
  • Score: -9

6:48pm Sun 25 May 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Polls predicate a UKIP win in Wales in the EU elections
Reports confirm that 32% of the Welsh Electorate voted.

The last offical Poll in Wales was done on 11-22 April by You Gov

And forecast 20% for UKIP

The report concluded that 6.4% of voters supported UKIP and that 93.6 Rejected UKIP

As no other Polls have been commisoned the Report pointed out that any person saying that Polls predicting the result was in fact telling lies .
Fallacious. Your grammar suggests you vote Labour but by so doing you don't "reject" other socialist parties , like Liberal/SDP. Just horses for courses. I didn't "reject" Conservative in the Europeans, I rejected the consensus between the Labour, Conservatives and Liberal/SDP which has prevailed for far too long. Butskellism was about the management of decline. It was a disaster. We need clear water between Conservatives and Labour and somehow I think this may start it.- e.g. Miliband's "don't talk about immigration" may not go down too well in your heartlands of Preston and Rochdale but it's honest. The Party that brought us uncontrolled immigration under Bliar is at least standing by its guns.
For the record I voted yesterday, and I didnt vote Labour or Conservative , I figured they would both have enough support to win at least one seat, I had a choice of Plaid or Lib Dem and voted for the one that had the best chance of keeping UKIP out.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Polls predicate a UKIP win in Wales in the EU elections[/p][/quote]Reports confirm that 32% of the Welsh Electorate voted. The last offical Poll in Wales was done on 11-22 April by You Gov And forecast 20% for UKIP The report concluded that 6.4% of voters supported UKIP and that 93.6 Rejected UKIP As no other Polls have been commisoned the Report pointed out that any person saying that Polls predicting the result was in fact telling lies .[/p][/quote]Fallacious. Your grammar suggests you vote Labour but by so doing you don't "reject" other socialist parties , like Liberal/SDP. Just horses for courses. I didn't "reject" Conservative in the Europeans, I rejected the consensus between the Labour, Conservatives and Liberal/SDP which has prevailed for far too long. Butskellism was about the management of decline. It was a disaster. We need clear water between Conservatives and Labour and somehow I think this may start it.- e.g. Miliband's "don't talk about immigration" may not go down too well in your heartlands of Preston and Rochdale but it's honest. The Party that brought us uncontrolled immigration under Bliar is at least standing by its guns.[/p][/quote]For the record I voted yesterday, and I didnt vote Labour or Conservative , I figured they would both have enough support to win at least one seat, I had a choice of Plaid or Lib Dem and voted for the one that had the best chance of keeping UKIP out. BobEvams2014
  • Score: 0

7:10pm Sun 25 May 14

Dai Rear says...

I don't think you've much risk. Voting in Wales is tribal and patriarchal and UKIP is about people who want change, not a patriarchy.
I don't think you've much risk. Voting in Wales is tribal and patriarchal and UKIP is about people who want change, not a patriarchy. Dai Rear
  • Score: -9

8:44pm Sun 25 May 14

KarloMarko says...

Au contraire, UKIP is about people who are terrified of change. Who cower behind the sofa at change, draw the curtains at the unfamiliar. Change that has left them and their world view behind. Not the white cliff certainties of the Mail but a globalised world with mobile populations...

And what better to press their buttons than UKIP's Carry on Brits end of the pier act.
Au contraire, UKIP is about people who are terrified of change. Who cower behind the sofa at change, draw the curtains at the unfamiliar. Change that has left them and their world view behind. Not the white cliff certainties of the Mail but a globalised world with mobile populations... And what better to press their buttons than UKIP's Carry on Brits end of the pier act. KarloMarko
  • Score: 4

8:11am Mon 26 May 14

Dai Rear says...

KarloMarko wrote:
Au contraire, UKIP is about people who are terrified of change. Who cower behind the sofa at change, draw the curtains at the unfamiliar. Change that has left them and their world view behind. Not the white cliff certainties of the Mail but a globalised world with mobile populations...

And what better to press their buttons than UKIP's Carry on Brits end of the pier act.
Actually the results just announced may be a good thing-even for you-if they remind CC&M that the UK is not London. Maybe it'll enable those 3 to understand why so many Scots are disaffected
In passing, do you really believe that an ossified structure , the EU, with its similarities to the papacy and the Soviet Union is state of the art for the 21st century and, if so, for God's sake why?
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Au contraire, UKIP is about people who are terrified of change. Who cower behind the sofa at change, draw the curtains at the unfamiliar. Change that has left them and their world view behind. Not the white cliff certainties of the Mail but a globalised world with mobile populations... And what better to press their buttons than UKIP's Carry on Brits end of the pier act.[/p][/quote]Actually the results just announced may be a good thing-even for you-if they remind CC&M that the UK is not London. Maybe it'll enable those 3 to understand why so many Scots are disaffected In passing, do you really believe that an ossified structure , the EU, with its similarities to the papacy and the Soviet Union is state of the art for the 21st century and, if so, for God's sake why? Dai Rear
  • Score: -8

9:41am Mon 26 May 14

varteg1 says...

Bobevans wrote:
Major wins for UKIP in the Local Council elections in Englnd
News to me that dear old John has switched party.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Major wins for UKIP in the Local Council elections in Englnd[/p][/quote]News to me that dear old John has switched party. varteg1
  • Score: -1

1:03pm Mon 26 May 14

Mervyn James says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Polls predicate a UKIP win in Wales in the EU elections
Reports confirm that 32% of the Welsh Electorate voted.

The last offical Poll in Wales was done on 11-22 April by You Gov

And forecast 20% for UKIP

The report concluded that 6.4% of voters supported UKIP and that 93.6 Rejected UKIP

As no other Polls have been commisoned the Report pointed out that any person saying that Polls predicting the result was in fact telling lies .
96% didn't reject the UKIP they simply voted for other parties :) Considering they are a new party with very few standing for election their success is much more than what the old two-party bores are making out. Those that believe come 2015 we will all vote for them again as per usual are deluded too, unless an anti-immigration policy is definitely on the cards. The way they tried to justify their losses shows they are even more removed from us than even we thought, it is like watching cardboard cut-outs talking, and blank-faced morons speaking. All 3 leaders are being asked to stand down by their own people, so they are divorced from their own supporters as well.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Polls predicate a UKIP win in Wales in the EU elections[/p][/quote]Reports confirm that 32% of the Welsh Electorate voted. The last offical Poll in Wales was done on 11-22 April by You Gov And forecast 20% for UKIP The report concluded that 6.4% of voters supported UKIP and that 93.6 Rejected UKIP As no other Polls have been commisoned the Report pointed out that any person saying that Polls predicting the result was in fact telling lies .[/p][/quote]96% didn't reject the UKIP they simply voted for other parties :) Considering they are a new party with very few standing for election their success is much more than what the old two-party bores are making out. Those that believe come 2015 we will all vote for them again as per usual are deluded too, unless an anti-immigration policy is definitely on the cards. The way they tried to justify their losses shows they are even more removed from us than even we thought, it is like watching cardboard cut-outs talking, and blank-faced morons speaking. All 3 leaders are being asked to stand down by their own people, so they are divorced from their own supporters as well. Mervyn James
  • Score: -1

8:43am Tue 27 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Dai Rear wrote:
I don't think you've much risk. Voting in Wales is tribal and patriarchal and UKIP is about people who want change, not a patriarchy.
What a surprise you got 2 minuses for your telling the truth.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: I don't think you've much risk. Voting in Wales is tribal and patriarchal and UKIP is about people who want change, not a patriarchy.[/p][/quote]What a surprise you got 2 minuses for your telling the truth. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -4

8:52am Tue 27 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Mervyn James wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Polls predicate a UKIP win in Wales in the EU elections
Reports confirm that 32% of the Welsh Electorate voted.

The last offical Poll in Wales was done on 11-22 April by You Gov

And forecast 20% for UKIP

The report concluded that 6.4% of voters supported UKIP and that 93.6 Rejected UKIP

As no other Polls have been commisoned the Report pointed out that any person saying that Polls predicting the result was in fact telling lies .
96% didn't reject the UKIP they simply voted for other parties :) Considering they are a new party with very few standing for election their success is much more than what the old two-party bores are making out. Those that believe come 2015 we will all vote for them again as per usual are deluded too, unless an anti-immigration policy is definitely on the cards. The way they tried to justify their losses shows they are even more removed from us than even we thought, it is like watching cardboard cut-outs talking, and blank-faced morons speaking. All 3 leaders are being asked to stand down by their own people, so they are divorced from their own supporters as well.
Not often I agree with you, but on this occasion I think that you are spot on.
However, I doubt (but hope) that these results will have any bearing on the General Election.
People will vote for the same old parties regardless of the results in the Euro and Local government elections.
The mindset seems to change when faced with a party that has no experience of government, even though it is apparent that
they would have to get elected to gain any.
The same old reasons for not voting for anyone other than the three main parties will be spouted out as electioneering begins.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Polls predicate a UKIP win in Wales in the EU elections[/p][/quote]Reports confirm that 32% of the Welsh Electorate voted. The last offical Poll in Wales was done on 11-22 April by You Gov And forecast 20% for UKIP The report concluded that 6.4% of voters supported UKIP and that 93.6 Rejected UKIP As no other Polls have been commisoned the Report pointed out that any person saying that Polls predicting the result was in fact telling lies .[/p][/quote]96% didn't reject the UKIP they simply voted for other parties :) Considering they are a new party with very few standing for election their success is much more than what the old two-party bores are making out. Those that believe come 2015 we will all vote for them again as per usual are deluded too, unless an anti-immigration policy is definitely on the cards. The way they tried to justify their losses shows they are even more removed from us than even we thought, it is like watching cardboard cut-outs talking, and blank-faced morons speaking. All 3 leaders are being asked to stand down by their own people, so they are divorced from their own supporters as well.[/p][/quote]Not often I agree with you, but on this occasion I think that you are spot on. However, I doubt (but hope) that these results will have any bearing on the General Election. People will vote for the same old parties regardless of the results in the Euro and Local government elections. The mindset seems to change when faced with a party that has no experience of government, even though it is apparent that they would have to get elected to gain any. The same old reasons for not voting for anyone other than the three main parties will be spouted out as electioneering begins. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -4

5:21pm Tue 27 May 14

endthelies says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Dugstar wrote:
I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP
I expect you voted Labour as your father always voted Labour.
Labour also did very well in London. Are they sheep too? Or are the cons as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dugstar[/bold] wrote: I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP[/p][/quote]I expect you voted Labour as your father always voted Labour.[/p][/quote]Labour also did very well in London. Are they sheep too? Or are the cons as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. endthelies
  • Score: 0

10:47am Wed 28 May 14

welshmen says...

endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Dugstar wrote:
I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP
I expect you voted Labour as your father always voted Labour.
Labour also did very well in London. Are they sheep too? Or are the cons as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.
Yes Labour did well in London, the majority of Labour voters are either immigrant or of immigrant decent who arrived in the UK during the last fifty years according to the Office of National Statistics, The Muslim Council of Britain and The Islamic Society of Britain instructed all Muslims to vote for the Labour Party. last Thursday 67% of people didn't bother to vote, the Labour Party now has a record number of Muslim councillors, The Labour Party are predicted to win next years General Election, if your not worried about that then you and the rest of the 67% non voters are the problem....
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dugstar[/bold] wrote: I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP[/p][/quote]I expect you voted Labour as your father always voted Labour.[/p][/quote]Labour also did very well in London. Are they sheep too? Or are the cons as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.[/p][/quote]Yes Labour did well in London, the majority of Labour voters are either immigrant or of immigrant decent who arrived in the UK during the last fifty years according to the Office of National Statistics, The Muslim Council of Britain and The Islamic Society of Britain instructed all Muslims to vote for the Labour Party. last Thursday 67% of people didn't bother to vote, the Labour Party now has a record number of Muslim councillors, The Labour Party are predicted to win next years General Election, if your not worried about that then you and the rest of the 67% non voters are the problem.... welshmen
  • Score: -8

10:54am Wed 28 May 14

welshmen says...

Dugstar wrote:
I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP
Your the problem voting for the traitorous Labour party, vile people, they are the fascists nazi party, along with the Lib-dems, NO referendum on the EU, telling us we must have more immigrants coming here, the same as your RED Labour Party did for 13 years....
[quote][p][bold]Dugstar[/bold] wrote: I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP[/p][/quote]Your the problem voting for the traitorous Labour party, vile people, they are the fascists nazi party, along with the Lib-dems, NO referendum on the EU, telling us we must have more immigrants coming here, the same as your RED Labour Party did for 13 years.... welshmen
  • Score: -7

7:54pm Wed 28 May 14

Mervyn James says...

It's true Labour is just tories with a different face these days, the coalition seems to be of 3 parties not two. Labour has pledged to continue with cuts to services, continue with privatization and even endorsed the war on disabled people via ATOS, which was a french company found to be fraudulent. Given all these facts it is unsurprising tow thirds refused to vote at all and the rest preferred the UKIP ! The next coalition is going to be a real headache !
It's true Labour is just tories with a different face these days, the coalition seems to be of 3 parties not two. Labour has pledged to continue with cuts to services, continue with privatization and even endorsed the war on disabled people via ATOS, which was a french company found to be fraudulent. Given all these facts it is unsurprising tow thirds refused to vote at all and the rest preferred the UKIP ! The next coalition is going to be a real headache ! Mervyn James
  • Score: -2

9:07pm Wed 28 May 14

endthelies says...

I'll be voting green.
I'll be voting green. endthelies
  • Score: 2

8:14am Thu 29 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Mervyn James wrote:
It's true Labour is just tories with a different face these days, the coalition seems to be of 3 parties not two. Labour has pledged to continue with cuts to services, continue with privatization and even endorsed the war on disabled people via ATOS, which was a french company found to be fraudulent. Given all these facts it is unsurprising tow thirds refused to vote at all and the rest preferred the UKIP ! The next coalition is going to be a real headache !
Merv-the genius who's convinced that landlords put rents up so's not to be troubled with receiving any cash and because they ABSOLUTELY LOVE paying grotesque business rate. You won't have noticed that we're borrowed way into the middle of the century. Although you wouldn't endorse Liam Byrne, he was right. There IS no money left and if there are jobs for immigrants why have we got native non-workers.? There have been practically no cuts but don't you think a wee cut in JSA might be beneficial?
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: It's true Labour is just tories with a different face these days, the coalition seems to be of 3 parties not two. Labour has pledged to continue with cuts to services, continue with privatization and even endorsed the war on disabled people via ATOS, which was a french company found to be fraudulent. Given all these facts it is unsurprising tow thirds refused to vote at all and the rest preferred the UKIP ! The next coalition is going to be a real headache ![/p][/quote]Merv-the genius who's convinced that landlords put rents up so's not to be troubled with receiving any cash and because they ABSOLUTELY LOVE paying grotesque business rate. You won't have noticed that we're borrowed way into the middle of the century. Although you wouldn't endorse Liam Byrne, he was right. There IS no money left and if there are jobs for immigrants why have we got native non-workers.? There have been practically no cuts but don't you think a wee cut in JSA might be beneficial? Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

8:22am Thu 29 May 14

Dai Rear says...

endthelies wrote:
I'll be voting green.
As far as I know the only thing they've achieved is making a complete Horlicks out of dealing with the pikeys in Brighton & Hove. Why not just vote Labour? It's the same thing.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'll be voting green.[/p][/quote]As far as I know the only thing they've achieved is making a complete Horlicks out of dealing with the pikeys in Brighton & Hove. Why not just vote Labour? It's the same thing. Dai Rear
  • Score: -4

8:35am Thu 29 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'll be voting green.
As far as I know the only thing they've achieved is making a complete Horlicks out of dealing with the pikeys in Brighton & Hove. Why not just vote Labour? It's the same thing.
Only more left wing and radical.
Full of touchy feely tree huggers intent on stopping progress in the name of an unproven theory known as 'man made climate change' or 'global warming' as they used to call it.
That changed as soon as it was realised that the planet was actually cooling down.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'll be voting green.[/p][/quote]As far as I know the only thing they've achieved is making a complete Horlicks out of dealing with the pikeys in Brighton & Hove. Why not just vote Labour? It's the same thing.[/p][/quote]Only more left wing and radical. Full of touchy feely tree huggers intent on stopping progress in the name of an unproven theory known as 'man made climate change' or 'global warming' as they used to call it. That changed as soon as it was realised that the planet was actually cooling down. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -4

9:34am Thu 29 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
It's true Labour is just tories with a different face these days, the coalition seems to be of 3 parties not two. Labour has pledged to continue with cuts to services, continue with privatization and even endorsed the war on disabled people via ATOS, which was a french company found to be fraudulent. Given all these facts it is unsurprising tow thirds refused to vote at all and the rest preferred the UKIP ! The next coalition is going to be a real headache !
Merv-the genius who's convinced that landlords put rents up so's not to be troubled with receiving any cash and because they ABSOLUTELY LOVE paying grotesque business rate. You won't have noticed that we're borrowed way into the middle of the century. Although you wouldn't endorse Liam Byrne, he was right. There IS no money left and if there are jobs for immigrants why have we got native non-workers.? There have been practically no cuts but don't you think a wee cut in JSA might be beneficial?
The state help to buy may well be a red herring because once the interest rates rise most won't be able to cover the repayments, then repossessions are on the cards. This is all down to London and the circus there that creates an artificial image of the reality for the rest of us. As regards to the employment issue and migrants, it is because of greedy employers and illegal activities mostly endorsed by London again. A British capitol city that has 50% migrant population, why are we not surprised they won't leave europe ? Gravy gravy gravy....
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: It's true Labour is just tories with a different face these days, the coalition seems to be of 3 parties not two. Labour has pledged to continue with cuts to services, continue with privatization and even endorsed the war on disabled people via ATOS, which was a french company found to be fraudulent. Given all these facts it is unsurprising tow thirds refused to vote at all and the rest preferred the UKIP ! The next coalition is going to be a real headache ![/p][/quote]Merv-the genius who's convinced that landlords put rents up so's not to be troubled with receiving any cash and because they ABSOLUTELY LOVE paying grotesque business rate. You won't have noticed that we're borrowed way into the middle of the century. Although you wouldn't endorse Liam Byrne, he was right. There IS no money left and if there are jobs for immigrants why have we got native non-workers.? There have been practically no cuts but don't you think a wee cut in JSA might be beneficial?[/p][/quote]The state help to buy may well be a red herring because once the interest rates rise most won't be able to cover the repayments, then repossessions are on the cards. This is all down to London and the circus there that creates an artificial image of the reality for the rest of us. As regards to the employment issue and migrants, it is because of greedy employers and illegal activities mostly endorsed by London again. A British capitol city that has 50% migrant population, why are we not surprised they won't leave europe ? Gravy gravy gravy.... Mervyn James
  • Score: -2

9:53am Thu 29 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Well you and I can buy the repos Merv, can't we? Because we're old fashioned and don't borrow like idiots. But you're right about London, which is what the vote was about, the people sending a message to the 3 stooges that we've had a gutsfull of their London nonsense. I don't disagree with you about our foreign UK capital but you've got to concede that, since Crosland and Williams, the Labour Party and the NUT fellow travellers have been smashing up our education system (with precious little opposition from my former Party) and that the success of immigrant labour is the corollary of the failure of the State education system to draw out much from our young people. I sent mine to independent schools as, I'm sure, did you.
Well you and I can buy the repos Merv, can't we? Because we're old fashioned and don't borrow like idiots. But you're right about London, which is what the vote was about, the people sending a message to the 3 stooges that we've had a gutsfull of their London nonsense. I don't disagree with you about our foreign UK capital but you've got to concede that, since Crosland and Williams, the Labour Party and the NUT fellow travellers have been smashing up our education system (with precious little opposition from my former Party) and that the success of immigrant labour is the corollary of the failure of the State education system to draw out much from our young people. I sent mine to independent schools as, I'm sure, did you. Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

10:01am Thu 29 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
It's true Labour is just tories with a different face these days, the coalition seems to be of 3 parties not two. Labour has pledged to continue with cuts to services, continue with privatization and even endorsed the war on disabled people via ATOS, which was a french company found to be fraudulent. Given all these facts it is unsurprising tow thirds refused to vote at all and the rest preferred the UKIP ! The next coalition is going to be a real headache !
Merv-the genius who's convinced that landlords put rents up so's not to be troubled with receiving any cash and because they ABSOLUTELY LOVE paying grotesque business rate. You won't have noticed that we're borrowed way into the middle of the century. Although you wouldn't endorse Liam Byrne, he was right. There IS no money left and if there are jobs for immigrants why have we got native non-workers.? There have been practically no cuts but don't you think a wee cut in JSA might be beneficial?
The state help to buy may well be a red herring because once the interest rates rise most won't be able to cover the repayments, then repossessions are on the cards. This is all down to London and the circus there that creates an artificial image of the reality for the rest of us. As regards to the employment issue and migrants, it is because of greedy employers and illegal activities mostly endorsed by London again. A British capitol city that has 50% migrant population, why are we not surprised they won't leave europe ? Gravy gravy gravy....
Whilst I generally agree with your observations, with regard to employers, I think that they are just taking advantage of the lower cost of workers thanks to Tony B liars open-door immigration policies.
Most British people are not prepared to work the hours that an East European is prepared to and most want above minimum wage or cash so they don't have to declare it.
This is the legacy of governments (particularly Labour) almost buying votes through generous welfare payments to secure election wins.
As a small business owner, it is very difficult to balance the books, what with VAT, Rent, Council Tax, Corporation Tax, NI, personal tax and many other hidden taxes to have to contend with, that makes it almost impossible to make any profit these days.
Believe me, it is not the greedy employers, (as you refer to them) that are the problem, it is the legalised theft by the government through excessive bureaucracy and taxation to fund the feckless and work shy that is the main concern.
And that goes for the Con/ Lib government as well.
It is people like Kinnock and Blair the sold-out socialists that you should look at when you state "gravy gravy gravy" etc.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: It's true Labour is just tories with a different face these days, the coalition seems to be of 3 parties not two. Labour has pledged to continue with cuts to services, continue with privatization and even endorsed the war on disabled people via ATOS, which was a french company found to be fraudulent. Given all these facts it is unsurprising tow thirds refused to vote at all and the rest preferred the UKIP ! The next coalition is going to be a real headache ![/p][/quote]Merv-the genius who's convinced that landlords put rents up so's not to be troubled with receiving any cash and because they ABSOLUTELY LOVE paying grotesque business rate. You won't have noticed that we're borrowed way into the middle of the century. Although you wouldn't endorse Liam Byrne, he was right. There IS no money left and if there are jobs for immigrants why have we got native non-workers.? There have been practically no cuts but don't you think a wee cut in JSA might be beneficial?[/p][/quote]The state help to buy may well be a red herring because once the interest rates rise most won't be able to cover the repayments, then repossessions are on the cards. This is all down to London and the circus there that creates an artificial image of the reality for the rest of us. As regards to the employment issue and migrants, it is because of greedy employers and illegal activities mostly endorsed by London again. A British capitol city that has 50% migrant population, why are we not surprised they won't leave europe ? Gravy gravy gravy....[/p][/quote]Whilst I generally agree with your observations, with regard to employers, I think that they are just taking advantage of the lower cost of workers thanks to Tony B liars open-door immigration policies. Most British people are not prepared to work the hours that an East European is prepared to and most want above minimum wage or cash so they don't have to declare it. This is the legacy of governments (particularly Labour) almost buying votes through generous welfare payments to secure election wins. As a small business owner, it is very difficult to balance the books, what with VAT, Rent, Council Tax, Corporation Tax, NI, personal tax and many other hidden taxes to have to contend with, that makes it almost impossible to make any profit these days. Believe me, it is not the greedy employers, (as you refer to them) that are the problem, it is the legalised theft by the government through excessive bureaucracy and taxation to fund the feckless and work shy that is the main concern. And that goes for the Con/ Lib government as well. It is people like Kinnock and Blair the sold-out socialists that you should look at when you state "gravy gravy gravy" etc. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -6

10:21am Thu 29 May 14

endthelies says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'll be voting green.
As far as I know the only thing they've achieved is making a complete Horlicks out of dealing with the pikeys in Brighton & Hove. Why not just vote Labour? It's the same thing.
Only more left wing and radical.
Full of touchy feely tree huggers intent on stopping progress in the name of an unproven theory known as 'man made climate change' or 'global warming' as they used to call it.
That changed as soon as it was realised that the planet was actually cooling down.
I'll vote for who I want thank you very much. That's why we have a democracy. You tell me why a vote for the greens would be any worse than a vote for lab, con or ukip.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'll be voting green.[/p][/quote]As far as I know the only thing they've achieved is making a complete Horlicks out of dealing with the pikeys in Brighton & Hove. Why not just vote Labour? It's the same thing.[/p][/quote]Only more left wing and radical. Full of touchy feely tree huggers intent on stopping progress in the name of an unproven theory known as 'man made climate change' or 'global warming' as they used to call it. That changed as soon as it was realised that the planet was actually cooling down.[/p][/quote]I'll vote for who I want thank you very much. That's why we have a democracy. You tell me why a vote for the greens would be any worse than a vote for lab, con or ukip. endthelies
  • Score: 1

10:22am Thu 29 May 14

endthelies says...

( I cast my rod and reel um in every time) xxxxx
( I cast my rod and reel um in every time) xxxxx endthelies
  • Score: 2

2:28pm Thu 29 May 14

Dai Rear says...

endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'll be voting green.
As far as I know the only thing they've achieved is making a complete Horlicks out of dealing with the pikeys in Brighton & Hove. Why not just vote Labour? It's the same thing.
Only more left wing and radical.
Full of touchy feely tree huggers intent on stopping progress in the name of an unproven theory known as 'man made climate change' or 'global warming' as they used to call it.
That changed as soon as it was realised that the planet was actually cooling down.
I'll vote for who I want thank you very much. That's why we have a democracy. You tell me why a vote for the greens would be any worse than a vote for lab, con or ukip.
A vote for Greenies would be good for UKIP, ta. Rock on Endy.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'll be voting green.[/p][/quote]As far as I know the only thing they've achieved is making a complete Horlicks out of dealing with the pikeys in Brighton & Hove. Why not just vote Labour? It's the same thing.[/p][/quote]Only more left wing and radical. Full of touchy feely tree huggers intent on stopping progress in the name of an unproven theory known as 'man made climate change' or 'global warming' as they used to call it. That changed as soon as it was realised that the planet was actually cooling down.[/p][/quote]I'll vote for who I want thank you very much. That's why we have a democracy. You tell me why a vote for the greens would be any worse than a vote for lab, con or ukip.[/p][/quote]A vote for Greenies would be good for UKIP, ta. Rock on Endy. Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

4:44pm Thu 29 May 14

topdog99 says...

welshmen wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Dugstar wrote:
I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP
I expect you voted Labour as your father always voted Labour.
Labour also did very well in London. Are they sheep too? Or are the cons as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.
Yes Labour did well in London, the majority of Labour voters are either immigrant or of immigrant decent who arrived in the UK during the last fifty years according to the Office of National Statistics, The Muslim Council of Britain and The Islamic Society of Britain instructed all Muslims to vote for the Labour Party. last Thursday 67% of people didn't bother to vote, the Labour Party now has a record number of Muslim councillors, The Labour Party are predicted to win next years General Election, if your not worried about that then you and the rest of the 67% non voters are the problem....
UKIP blames poor results in London on their
"difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young"

Well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool.

I’m confident the British public wont be fooled at the prospect of a Tory/Ukip coalition, Tories got in though the back door last time that’s why the Ukip protest was used not for EU or far right views but to pay back Nick Clegg for his betrayal now that’s done most pre Labour and disillusioned Libdems will reconsider just leaving the disgruntled Tories and far right lunatics sitting on a very uncomfortable fence.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dugstar[/bold] wrote: I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP[/p][/quote]I expect you voted Labour as your father always voted Labour.[/p][/quote]Labour also did very well in London. Are they sheep too? Or are the cons as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.[/p][/quote]Yes Labour did well in London, the majority of Labour voters are either immigrant or of immigrant decent who arrived in the UK during the last fifty years according to the Office of National Statistics, The Muslim Council of Britain and The Islamic Society of Britain instructed all Muslims to vote for the Labour Party. last Thursday 67% of people didn't bother to vote, the Labour Party now has a record number of Muslim councillors, The Labour Party are predicted to win next years General Election, if your not worried about that then you and the rest of the 67% non voters are the problem....[/p][/quote]UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" Well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. I’m confident the British public wont be fooled at the prospect of a Tory/Ukip coalition, Tories got in though the back door last time that’s why the Ukip protest was used not for EU or far right views but to pay back Nick Clegg for his betrayal now that’s done most pre Labour and disillusioned Libdems will reconsider just leaving the disgruntled Tories and far right lunatics sitting on a very uncomfortable fence. topdog99
  • Score: 5

5:23pm Thu 29 May 14

topdog99 says...

Baron Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay says that the Lib Dems have "no roots, no principles and no values", I've been saying that for last 4 years!
some needed to vote Ukip to undo their original misjudgement.

Danny Alexander

“parties in power "always get a kicking in EU elections”

Wrong again Dan, Its when they get into bed with Tories

Lib Dems...at the going down of the sun, and in the morning, we will remember them.............*A*
KERS

Great News for Hard Working People, Inflation has risen by 14.5% since 2010... while your wages have gone back to 2002 levels ...vote tory

.
Baron Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay says that the Lib Dems have "no roots, no principles and no values", I've been saying that for last 4 years! some needed to vote Ukip to undo their original misjudgement. Danny Alexander “parties in power "always get a kicking in EU elections” Wrong again Dan, Its when they get into bed with Tories Lib Dems...at the going down of the sun, and in the morning, we will remember them.............*A* KERS Great News for Hard Working People, Inflation has risen by 14.5% since 2010... while your wages have gone back to 2002 levels ...vote tory . topdog99
  • Score: 6

5:33pm Thu 29 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

topdog99 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Dugstar wrote:
I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP
I expect you voted Labour as your father always voted Labour.
Labour also did very well in London. Are they sheep too? Or are the cons as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.
Yes Labour did well in London, the majority of Labour voters are either immigrant or of immigrant decent who arrived in the UK during the last fifty years according to the Office of National Statistics, The Muslim Council of Britain and The Islamic Society of Britain instructed all Muslims to vote for the Labour Party. last Thursday 67% of people didn't bother to vote, the Labour Party now has a record number of Muslim councillors, The Labour Party are predicted to win next years General Election, if your not worried about that then you and the rest of the 67% non voters are the problem....
UKIP blames poor results in London on their
"difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young"

Well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool.

I’m confident the British public wont be fooled at the prospect of a Tory/Ukip coalition, Tories got in though the back door last time that’s why the Ukip protest was used not for EU or far right views but to pay back Nick Clegg for his betrayal now that’s done most pre Labour and disillusioned Libdems will reconsider just leaving the disgruntled Tories and far right lunatics sitting on a very uncomfortable fence.
So your answer is to vote in the party that during the thirteen years that they were in power, managed to bankrupt the Country.
I suspect that you are going to blame the situation on a world recession as most socialists do. Obviously, Tony B Liar and Gordon Brown were not responsible for any of it.
I would blame Margaret Thatcher for it as most socialists will do well into the next century.
Let us see what a mess the far left lunatics make of it if Milliband and his motley crew get into power at the next election..
I expect that they will reward the work shy and penalise the taxpayer as they always do.
[quote][p][bold]topdog99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dugstar[/bold] wrote: I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP[/p][/quote]I expect you voted Labour as your father always voted Labour.[/p][/quote]Labour also did very well in London. Are they sheep too? Or are the cons as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.[/p][/quote]Yes Labour did well in London, the majority of Labour voters are either immigrant or of immigrant decent who arrived in the UK during the last fifty years according to the Office of National Statistics, The Muslim Council of Britain and The Islamic Society of Britain instructed all Muslims to vote for the Labour Party. last Thursday 67% of people didn't bother to vote, the Labour Party now has a record number of Muslim councillors, The Labour Party are predicted to win next years General Election, if your not worried about that then you and the rest of the 67% non voters are the problem....[/p][/quote]UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" Well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. I’m confident the British public wont be fooled at the prospect of a Tory/Ukip coalition, Tories got in though the back door last time that’s why the Ukip protest was used not for EU or far right views but to pay back Nick Clegg for his betrayal now that’s done most pre Labour and disillusioned Libdems will reconsider just leaving the disgruntled Tories and far right lunatics sitting on a very uncomfortable fence.[/p][/quote]So your answer is to vote in the party that during the thirteen years that they were in power, managed to bankrupt the Country. I suspect that you are going to blame the situation on a world recession as most socialists do. Obviously, Tony B Liar and Gordon Brown were not responsible for any of it. I would blame Margaret Thatcher for it as most socialists will do well into the next century. Let us see what a mess the far left lunatics make of it if Milliband and his motley crew get into power at the next election.. I expect that they will reward the work shy and penalise the taxpayer as they always do. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -5

5:36pm Thu 29 May 14

Dai Rear says...

topdog99 wrote:
Baron Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay says that the Lib Dems have "no roots, no principles and no values", I've been saying that for last 4 years!
some needed to vote Ukip to undo their original misjudgement.

Danny Alexander

“parties in power "always get a kicking in EU elections”

Wrong again Dan, Its when they get into bed with Tories

Lib Dems...at the going down of the sun, and in the morning, we will remember them.............*A*

KERS

Great News for Hard Working People, Inflation has risen by 14.5% since 2010... while your wages have gone back to 2002 levels ...vote tory

.
Vote Labour-"no more boom & bust" "sorry, the money's all gone"
"It'll be grrrreat now, we'll have rationing and the Rent Acts"
Couldn't make it up, could you? But Homer Simpsons everywhere will be putting their cross by the Labour candidate.
[quote][p][bold]topdog99[/bold] wrote: Baron Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay says that the Lib Dems have "no roots, no principles and no values", I've been saying that for last 4 years! some needed to vote Ukip to undo their original misjudgement. Danny Alexander “parties in power "always get a kicking in EU elections” Wrong again Dan, Its when they get into bed with Tories Lib Dems...at the going down of the sun, and in the morning, we will remember them.............*A* KERS Great News for Hard Working People, Inflation has risen by 14.5% since 2010... while your wages have gone back to 2002 levels ...vote tory .[/p][/quote]Vote Labour-"no more boom & bust" "sorry, the money's all gone" "It'll be grrrreat now, we'll have rationing and the Rent Acts" Couldn't make it up, could you? But Homer Simpsons everywhere will be putting their cross by the Labour candidate. Dai Rear
  • Score: -6

5:38pm Thu 29 May 14

Dai Rear says...

"My voters don't want an EU Referendum. They're far too stupid to understand the issues" E Miliband
"My voters don't want an EU Referendum. They're far too stupid to understand the issues" E Miliband Dai Rear
  • Score: -6

6:21pm Thu 29 May 14

topdog99 says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
topdog99 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Dugstar wrote:
I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP
I expect you voted Labour as your father always voted Labour.
Labour also did very well in London. Are they sheep too? Or are the cons as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.
Yes Labour did well in London, the majority of Labour voters are either immigrant or of immigrant decent who arrived in the UK during the last fifty years according to the Office of National Statistics, The Muslim Council of Britain and The Islamic Society of Britain instructed all Muslims to vote for the Labour Party. last Thursday 67% of people didn't bother to vote, the Labour Party now has a record number of Muslim councillors, The Labour Party are predicted to win next years General Election, if your not worried about that then you and the rest of the 67% non voters are the problem....
UKIP blames poor results in London on their
"difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young"

Well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool.

I’m confident the British public wont be fooled at the prospect of a Tory/Ukip coalition, Tories got in though the back door last time that’s why the Ukip protest was used not for EU or far right views but to pay back Nick Clegg for his betrayal now that’s done most pre Labour and disillusioned Libdems will reconsider just leaving the disgruntled Tories and far right lunatics sitting on a very uncomfortable fence.
So your answer is to vote in the party that during the thirteen years that they were in power, managed to bankrupt the Country.
I suspect that you are going to blame the situation on a world recession as most socialists do. Obviously, Tony B Liar and Gordon Brown were not responsible for any of it.
I would blame Margaret Thatcher for it as most socialists will do well into the next century.
Let us see what a mess the far left lunatics make of it if Milliband and his motley crew get into power at the next election..
I expect that they will reward the work shy and penalise the taxpayer as they always do.
You suspect correctly because you know and most sensible people know its the truth.
The greed of Bankers drove the world to financial collapse; not Labour building much needed new schools and hospitals. 26 Million Brits live on the breadline, Thanks to the Tories.
Tories actually believe that Gordon Brown caused the Banks to fail in Spain,Italy,Portugal
,France,USA, Greece,Cyprus,UK,Ire
land,Iceland.... yeah right

Having ruined the financial lives of millions of students and disabled people, Clegg wants to stay and finish the job........., out of touch or what?

Nick Clegg says despite losing over 300 council seats and 11 Euro MPs, he thinks he is doing just fine... wake up and smell the coffee Nick

Lib Dems still exist physically & on paper Other than that they're heading 4 oblivion which is 11 months away & counting...


Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topdog99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dugstar[/bold] wrote: I voted on my way home from work. Must add it wasn't for either Britain First, BNP (right wing facists both of them) or the loons at UKIP[/p][/quote]I expect you voted Labour as your father always voted Labour.[/p][/quote]Labour also did very well in London. Are they sheep too? Or are the cons as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.[/p][/quote]Yes Labour did well in London, the majority of Labour voters are either immigrant or of immigrant decent who arrived in the UK during the last fifty years according to the Office of National Statistics, The Muslim Council of Britain and The Islamic Society of Britain instructed all Muslims to vote for the Labour Party. last Thursday 67% of people didn't bother to vote, the Labour Party now has a record number of Muslim councillors, The Labour Party are predicted to win next years General Election, if your not worried about that then you and the rest of the 67% non voters are the problem....[/p][/quote]UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" Well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. I’m confident the British public wont be fooled at the prospect of a Tory/Ukip coalition, Tories got in though the back door last time that’s why the Ukip protest was used not for EU or far right views but to pay back Nick Clegg for his betrayal now that’s done most pre Labour and disillusioned Libdems will reconsider just leaving the disgruntled Tories and far right lunatics sitting on a very uncomfortable fence.[/p][/quote]So your answer is to vote in the party that during the thirteen years that they were in power, managed to bankrupt the Country. I suspect that you are going to blame the situation on a world recession as most socialists do. Obviously, Tony B Liar and Gordon Brown were not responsible for any of it. I would blame Margaret Thatcher for it as most socialists will do well into the next century. Let us see what a mess the far left lunatics make of it if Milliband and his motley crew get into power at the next election.. I expect that they will reward the work shy and penalise the taxpayer as they always do.[/p][/quote]You suspect correctly because you know and most sensible people know its the truth. The greed of Bankers drove the world to financial collapse; not Labour building much needed new schools and hospitals. 26 Million Brits live on the breadline, Thanks to the Tories. Tories actually believe that Gordon Brown caused the Banks to fail in Spain,Italy,Portugal ,France,USA, Greece,Cyprus,UK,Ire land,Iceland.... yeah right Having ruined the financial lives of millions of students and disabled people, Clegg wants to stay and finish the job........., out of touch or what? Nick Clegg says despite losing over 300 council seats and 11 Euro MPs, he thinks he is doing just fine... wake up and smell the coffee Nick Lib Dems still exist physically & on paper Other than that they're heading 4 oblivion which is 11 months away & counting... Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory topdog99
  • Score: 6

7:02pm Thu 29 May 14

-trigg- says...

Well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool.


They may well be right in thinking that. Labour have been fooling most of Wales for decades now
[quote] Well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. [/quote] They may well be right in thinking that. Labour have been fooling most of Wales for decades now -trigg-
  • Score: -7

7:15pm Thu 29 May 14

topdog99 says...

-trigg- wrote:
Well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool.


They may well be right in thinking that. Labour have been fooling most of Wales for decades now
If you believe blaming imigrants will improve your work prospects or wages then your the fool. Pulling out of the EU will only draw us closer to the US!
The world has moved on.

The Conservatives' shock loss of Hammersmith and Fulham last week rocked the party. Why did the Tory borough swing to Labour?
Hammersmith and Fulham was not only a safe Tory stronghold; it also happened to be David Cameron’s favourite council.
Conservative-led council’s approval of the demolition of Charing Cross hospital struck a chord with the public, mistrusting the government to look after healthcare and local hospitals.
UKIP on the other hand blames poor results in London on their
difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young

Well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool.

The UKIP votes shoots up at the same time as the BNP votes evaporates. Could these two be related?
One thing to celebrate is the fact that BNP leader Nick Griffin lost his seat in the European Parliament.
The sense of being left behind by globalisation that led to people voting for a fascist party has not disappeared. That anger is noticeable in the voices of some who are voting for UKIP today.
UKIP may be different from the BNP but have attracted the same low life.
We need to remain vigilant against a party that seeks to gain power by blaming immigrants for our economic and social problems.

The gutter press In return for Tory tip-offs on fruitcake Ukip candidates, the Sun (and others) agree not to fan the flames by interviewing their Tory opponents.
Murdoch is still tinkering with the system.
And despite the law against foreign donations to UK political parties, it’s still possible for Chinese admirers to donate to the Conservative party!!
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: [quote] Well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. [/quote] They may well be right in thinking that. Labour have been fooling most of Wales for decades now[/p][/quote]If you believe blaming imigrants will improve your work prospects or wages then your the fool. Pulling out of the EU will only draw us closer to the US! The world has moved on. The Conservatives' shock loss of Hammersmith and Fulham last week rocked the party. Why did the Tory borough swing to Labour? Hammersmith and Fulham was not only a safe Tory stronghold; it also happened to be David Cameron’s favourite council. Conservative-led council’s approval of the demolition of Charing Cross hospital struck a chord with the public, mistrusting the government to look after healthcare and local hospitals. UKIP on the other hand blames poor results in London on their difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young Well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. The UKIP votes shoots up at the same time as the BNP votes evaporates. Could these two be related? One thing to celebrate is the fact that BNP leader Nick Griffin lost his seat in the European Parliament. The sense of being left behind by globalisation that led to people voting for a fascist party has not disappeared. That anger is noticeable in the voices of some who are voting for UKIP today. UKIP may be different from the BNP but have attracted the same low life. We need to remain vigilant against a party that seeks to gain power by blaming immigrants for our economic and social problems. The gutter press In return for Tory tip-offs on fruitcake Ukip candidates, the Sun (and others) agree not to fan the flames by interviewing their Tory opponents. Murdoch is still tinkering with the system. And despite the law against foreign donations to UK political parties, it’s still possible for Chinese admirers to donate to the Conservative party!! topdog99
  • Score: 5

7:37pm Thu 29 May 14

endthelies says...

Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'll be voting green.
As far as I know the only thing they've achieved is making a complete Horlicks out of dealing with the pikeys in Brighton & Hove. Why not just vote Labour? It's the same thing.
Only more left wing and radical.
Full of touchy feely tree huggers intent on stopping progress in the name of an unproven theory known as 'man made climate change' or 'global warming' as they used to call it.
That changed as soon as it was realised that the planet was actually cooling down.
I'll vote for who I want thank you very much. That's why we have a democracy. You tell me why a vote for the greens would be any worse than a vote for lab, con or ukip.
A vote for Greenies would be good for UKIP, ta. Rock on Endy.
That's ok Dai. As long as I'm not putting a cross next to lab, con or ukip, and lying in my support for parties I have absolutely no faith in, I'll be happy. As far as I'm concerned, none of them should be put In charge of the country. I know the greens won't get in, but its the next best thing to none of the above. And Cymru, no one has mentioned Maggie but you, and you have banged on about Blair etc more than once. Now, its CAMERON who's ruining the country at the moment. That's Cameron, the head of the Tory party. Not Blair. or Brown or even Maggie come to that (although lets be honest, she put the nails in the coffin for Wales and will never be forgiven, hence the fact that people still refuse to vote Tory)
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'll be voting green.[/p][/quote]As far as I know the only thing they've achieved is making a complete Horlicks out of dealing with the pikeys in Brighton & Hove. Why not just vote Labour? It's the same thing.[/p][/quote]Only more left wing and radical. Full of touchy feely tree huggers intent on stopping progress in the name of an unproven theory known as 'man made climate change' or 'global warming' as they used to call it. That changed as soon as it was realised that the planet was actually cooling down.[/p][/quote]I'll vote for who I want thank you very much. That's why we have a democracy. You tell me why a vote for the greens would be any worse than a vote for lab, con or ukip.[/p][/quote]A vote for Greenies would be good for UKIP, ta. Rock on Endy.[/p][/quote]That's ok Dai. As long as I'm not putting a cross next to lab, con or ukip, and lying in my support for parties I have absolutely no faith in, I'll be happy. As far as I'm concerned, none of them should be put In charge of the country. I know the greens won't get in, but its the next best thing to none of the above. And Cymru, no one has mentioned Maggie but you, and you have banged on about Blair etc more than once. Now, its CAMERON who's ruining the country at the moment. That's Cameron, the head of the Tory party. Not Blair. or Brown or even Maggie come to that (although lets be honest, she put the nails in the coffin for Wales and will never be forgiven, hence the fact that people still refuse to vote Tory) endthelies
  • Score: 3

7:49am Fri 30 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory
Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown.
I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.
Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown. I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest. Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

8:10am Fri 30 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory
Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown.
I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.
But it was a world recession that was responsible for the crisis.
Like me, you are delusional if you think that Brown and his cronies had anything to do with it.
Also, Dai, the ongoing recovery in the economy and jobs market is just manufactured by the evil Tories, there is no recovery really.
We have to 'wake up and smell the coffee', Labour will rescue us from the turmoil.
Give Ed a year or so and he will have turned the Country around.
In conjunction with Carwyn, Wales will be a utopia that we won't recognise.
Gone, will be the depravation created by Margaret Thatcher, gone will be the appalling education system and NHS and 'everything in the garden will be rosy'.
I am afraid that you have been 'backing the wrong horse' all along.
Just wait and see what will be achieved in a very short time, then come back and attack Labour. You will see the error of your ways then.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown. I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.[/p][/quote]But it was a world recession that was responsible for the crisis. Like me, you are delusional if you think that Brown and his cronies had anything to do with it. Also, Dai, the ongoing recovery in the economy and jobs market is just manufactured by the evil Tories, there is no recovery really. We have to 'wake up and smell the coffee', Labour will rescue us from the turmoil. Give Ed a year or so and he will have turned the Country around. In conjunction with Carwyn, Wales will be a utopia that we won't recognise. Gone, will be the depravation created by Margaret Thatcher, gone will be the appalling education system and NHS and 'everything in the garden will be rosy'. I am afraid that you have been 'backing the wrong horse' all along. Just wait and see what will be achieved in a very short time, then come back and attack Labour. You will see the error of your ways then. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -3

8:19am Fri 30 May 14

topdog99 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory
Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown.
I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.
And you one of them misguided souls that actually believe that Gordon Brown caused the Banks to fail in Spain,Italy,Portugal
,France,USA, Greece,Cyprus,UK,Ire

land,Iceland.... yeah right
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown. I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.[/p][/quote]And you one of them misguided souls that actually believe that Gordon Brown caused the Banks to fail in Spain,Italy,Portugal ,France,USA, Greece,Cyprus,UK,Ire land,Iceland.... yeah right topdog99
  • Score: 5

8:26am Fri 30 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

topdog99 wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory
Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown.
I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.
And you one of them misguided souls that actually believe that Gordon Brown caused the Banks to fail in Spain,Italy,Portugal

,France,USA, Greece,Cyprus,UK,Ire


land,Iceland.... yeah right
I think that Dai is referring to the UK banking crisis not the one's abroad.
Did you ever hear of the saying that 'Nero fiddled while Rome burned'.
[quote][p][bold]topdog99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown. I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.[/p][/quote]And you one of them misguided souls that actually believe that Gordon Brown caused the Banks to fail in Spain,Italy,Portugal ,France,USA, Greece,Cyprus,UK,Ire land,Iceland.... yeah right[/p][/quote]I think that Dai is referring to the UK banking crisis not the one's abroad. Did you ever hear of the saying that 'Nero fiddled while Rome burned'. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -2

8:39am Fri 30 May 14

topdog99 says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory
Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown.
I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.
But it was a world recession that was responsible for the crisis.
Like me, you are delusional if you think that Brown and his cronies had anything to do with it.
Also, Dai, the ongoing recovery in the economy and jobs market is just manufactured by the evil Tories, there is no recovery really.
We have to 'wake up and smell the coffee', Labour will rescue us from the turmoil.
Give Ed a year or so and he will have turned the Country around.
In conjunction with Carwyn, Wales will be a utopia that we won't recognise.
Gone, will be the depravation created by Margaret Thatcher, gone will be the appalling education system and NHS and 'everything in the garden will be rosy'.
I am afraid that you have been 'backing the wrong horse' all along.
Just wait and see what will be achieved in a very short time, then come back and attack Labour. You will see the error of your ways then.
As everyone knows the Poor, Children,Students and Disabled caused the Credit Crunch with their short selling and credit default swaps.... yeah right

It may be a mini recovery in some parts of the affluent south but most of Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870!! well done Cameron and Clegg.
This exposes once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth.
The greed of Bankers drove the world to financial collapse not Labour building much needed new schools and hospitals
To be perfectly honest I could never vote for any political party, that takes money from disabled people, while giving millionaires Tax Cuts.
Or a offshoot of the same people insidiously planning another back door route for Cameron.

Same old Tories. They claim to be making tough choices. The only tough choice was a 5p or 10p tax cut for them.

Sometimes I wish I owed the Tax Man £20 million, I could swan around in my brand new range rover, singing silly love songs, all day ...
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown. I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.[/p][/quote]But it was a world recession that was responsible for the crisis. Like me, you are delusional if you think that Brown and his cronies had anything to do with it. Also, Dai, the ongoing recovery in the economy and jobs market is just manufactured by the evil Tories, there is no recovery really. We have to 'wake up and smell the coffee', Labour will rescue us from the turmoil. Give Ed a year or so and he will have turned the Country around. In conjunction with Carwyn, Wales will be a utopia that we won't recognise. Gone, will be the depravation created by Margaret Thatcher, gone will be the appalling education system and NHS and 'everything in the garden will be rosy'. I am afraid that you have been 'backing the wrong horse' all along. Just wait and see what will be achieved in a very short time, then come back and attack Labour. You will see the error of your ways then.[/p][/quote]As everyone knows the Poor, Children,Students and Disabled caused the Credit Crunch with their short selling and credit default swaps.... yeah right It may be a mini recovery in some parts of the affluent south but most of Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870!! well done Cameron and Clegg. This exposes once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth. The greed of Bankers drove the world to financial collapse not Labour building much needed new schools and hospitals To be perfectly honest I could never vote for any political party, that takes money from disabled people, while giving millionaires Tax Cuts. Or a offshoot of the same people insidiously planning another back door route for Cameron. Same old Tories. They claim to be making tough choices. The only tough choice was a 5p or 10p tax cut for them. Sometimes I wish I owed the Tax Man £20 million, I could swan around in my brand new range rover, singing silly love songs, all day ... topdog99
  • Score: 6

9:08am Fri 30 May 14

topdog99 says...

All you people bleating on about the right for a EU referendum because its not fair that you can not have a say, have you ever considered a referendum on the monarchy?
Its another thing we have no say in.
If we had a referendum on the monarchy the biggest scroungers in the UK would probably be gone,think of the money that would save the tax payer (astronomical)

In a country like ours, with no written constitution to uphold common values, the role of unifying the nation has traditionally been taken by institutions such as the church or the monarchy.
27 bishops slam David Cameron's welfare reforms as creating a national crisis! its an unprecedented attack. Not really a welcome unifying tone for the Tories message of recovery is it.

With church attendance falling away, the Diamond Jubilee was a big campaign to place the monarchy at the centre of what it means to be British.
The Diamond Jubilee was nothing more than a celebration of power and wealth, not unifying anybody but the wealthy.

.
All you people bleating on about the right for a EU referendum because its not fair that you can not have a say, have you ever considered a referendum on the monarchy? Its another thing we have no say in. If we had a referendum on the monarchy the biggest scroungers in the UK would probably be gone,think of the money that would save the tax payer (astronomical) In a country like ours, with no written constitution to uphold common values, the role of unifying the nation has traditionally been taken by institutions such as the church or the monarchy. 27 bishops slam David Cameron's welfare reforms as creating a national crisis! its an unprecedented attack. Not really a welcome unifying tone for the Tories message of recovery is it. With church attendance falling away, the Diamond Jubilee was a big campaign to place the monarchy at the centre of what it means to be British. The Diamond Jubilee was nothing more than a celebration of power and wealth, not unifying anybody but the wealthy. . topdog99
  • Score: 5

10:46am Fri 30 May 14

topdog99 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory
Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown.
I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.
The Coalition has now borrowed more than Labour did – and took a decade less to do it. Between May 1997 and April 2010 Labour borrowed £429.975 billion. Since May 2010, this Government has now borrowed £430.072 billion.


The UK economy is in good health according to two major business lobby groups, the CBI and the British Chambers of Commerce but its not mentioned that Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s and wages are still falling.
This expose once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth. (maybe in the affluent south)
.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown. I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.[/p][/quote]The Coalition has now borrowed more than Labour did – and took a decade less to do it. Between May 1997 and April 2010 Labour borrowed £429.975 billion. Since May 2010, this Government has now borrowed £430.072 billion. The UK economy is in good health according to two major business lobby groups, the CBI and the British Chambers of Commerce but its not mentioned that Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s and wages are still falling. This expose once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth. (maybe in the affluent south) . topdog99
  • Score: 5

10:53am Fri 30 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

topdog99 wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory
Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown.
I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.
But it was a world recession that was responsible for the crisis.
Like me, you are delusional if you think that Brown and his cronies had anything to do with it.
Also, Dai, the ongoing recovery in the economy and jobs market is just manufactured by the evil Tories, there is no recovery really.
We have to 'wake up and smell the coffee', Labour will rescue us from the turmoil.
Give Ed a year or so and he will have turned the Country around.
In conjunction with Carwyn, Wales will be a utopia that we won't recognise.
Gone, will be the depravation created by Margaret Thatcher, gone will be the appalling education system and NHS and 'everything in the garden will be rosy'.
I am afraid that you have been 'backing the wrong horse' all along.
Just wait and see what will be achieved in a very short time, then come back and attack Labour. You will see the error of your ways then.
As everyone knows the Poor, Children,Students and Disabled caused the Credit Crunch with their short selling and credit default swaps.... yeah right

It may be a mini recovery in some parts of the affluent south but most of Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870!! well done Cameron and Clegg.
This exposes once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth.
The greed of Bankers drove the world to financial collapse not Labour building much needed new schools and hospitals
To be perfectly honest I could never vote for any political party, that takes money from disabled people, while giving millionaires Tax Cuts.
Or a offshoot of the same people insidiously planning another back door route for Cameron.

Same old Tories. They claim to be making tough choices. The only tough choice was a 5p or 10p tax cut for them.

Sometimes I wish I owed the Tax Man £20 million, I could swan around in my brand new range rover, singing silly love songs, all day ...
Didn't Brown stand around and let this happen or were the government unable to act?
With regards to the Range Rover, go out and start your own business and work 15 hours plus a day 7 days a week and you may just be able to afford one then.
This old chestnut with regards to the tax cut, you just don't get it do you?
The more you punish these people who actually create the wealth, the more you drive them away.
They can afford to 'up sticks' and move to another Country and then you will get no tax at all from them.
This just doesn't make sense.
The politics of envy.
Brings out the worst in us.
[quote][p][bold]topdog99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown. I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.[/p][/quote]But it was a world recession that was responsible for the crisis. Like me, you are delusional if you think that Brown and his cronies had anything to do with it. Also, Dai, the ongoing recovery in the economy and jobs market is just manufactured by the evil Tories, there is no recovery really. We have to 'wake up and smell the coffee', Labour will rescue us from the turmoil. Give Ed a year or so and he will have turned the Country around. In conjunction with Carwyn, Wales will be a utopia that we won't recognise. Gone, will be the depravation created by Margaret Thatcher, gone will be the appalling education system and NHS and 'everything in the garden will be rosy'. I am afraid that you have been 'backing the wrong horse' all along. Just wait and see what will be achieved in a very short time, then come back and attack Labour. You will see the error of your ways then.[/p][/quote]As everyone knows the Poor, Children,Students and Disabled caused the Credit Crunch with their short selling and credit default swaps.... yeah right It may be a mini recovery in some parts of the affluent south but most of Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870!! well done Cameron and Clegg. This exposes once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth. The greed of Bankers drove the world to financial collapse not Labour building much needed new schools and hospitals To be perfectly honest I could never vote for any political party, that takes money from disabled people, while giving millionaires Tax Cuts. Or a offshoot of the same people insidiously planning another back door route for Cameron. Same old Tories. They claim to be making tough choices. The only tough choice was a 5p or 10p tax cut for them. Sometimes I wish I owed the Tax Man £20 million, I could swan around in my brand new range rover, singing silly love songs, all day ...[/p][/quote]Didn't Brown stand around and let this happen or were the government unable to act? With regards to the Range Rover, go out and start your own business and work 15 hours plus a day 7 days a week and you may just be able to afford one then. This old chestnut with regards to the tax cut, you just don't get it do you? The more you punish these people who actually create the wealth, the more you drive them away. They can afford to 'up sticks' and move to another Country and then you will get no tax at all from them. This just doesn't make sense. The politics of envy. Brings out the worst in us. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -5

4:14pm Fri 30 May 14

endthelies says...

I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!!
I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!! endthelies
  • Score: 3

5:04pm Fri 30 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory
Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown.
I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.
But it was a world recession that was responsible for the crisis.
Like me, you are delusional if you think that Brown and his cronies had anything to do with it.
Also, Dai, the ongoing recovery in the economy and jobs market is just manufactured by the evil Tories, there is no recovery really.
We have to 'wake up and smell the coffee', Labour will rescue us from the turmoil.
Give Ed a year or so and he will have turned the Country around.
In conjunction with Carwyn, Wales will be a utopia that we won't recognise.
Gone, will be the depravation created by Margaret Thatcher, gone will be the appalling education system and NHS and 'everything in the garden will be rosy'.
I am afraid that you have been 'backing the wrong horse' all along.
Just wait and see what will be achieved in a very short time, then come back and attack Labour. You will see the error of your ways then.
Ok then. Those who urged Brown not to forego fiscal responsibility after 2002 didn't exist. Have it your way. Vote Labour next year for a corrupt , unreconstructed European Union. Queue up for Christmas you turkeys.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Just a thought, without the Banking Crisis, this country would be £1.5tn better off, with no need for cuts or Austerity!! vote Tory Errh...I think it was a borrowing crisis, caused by morons borrowing what they couldn't repay and encouraged by ex 6th form college teacher Brown. I won't be nasty and say he knew what he was doing, because I'm sure he'd not the foggiest.[/p][/quote]But it was a world recession that was responsible for the crisis. Like me, you are delusional if you think that Brown and his cronies had anything to do with it. Also, Dai, the ongoing recovery in the economy and jobs market is just manufactured by the evil Tories, there is no recovery really. We have to 'wake up and smell the coffee', Labour will rescue us from the turmoil. Give Ed a year or so and he will have turned the Country around. In conjunction with Carwyn, Wales will be a utopia that we won't recognise. Gone, will be the depravation created by Margaret Thatcher, gone will be the appalling education system and NHS and 'everything in the garden will be rosy'. I am afraid that you have been 'backing the wrong horse' all along. Just wait and see what will be achieved in a very short time, then come back and attack Labour. You will see the error of your ways then.[/p][/quote]Ok then. Those who urged Brown not to forego fiscal responsibility after 2002 didn't exist. Have it your way. Vote Labour next year for a corrupt , unreconstructed European Union. Queue up for Christmas you turkeys. Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

5:09pm Fri 30 May 14

Dai Rear says...

endthelies wrote:
I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!!
"Pool of tax fallacy" You don't believe that the State borrows to attain what it believes to be its due. I am sure nothing will persuade you otherwise, nor will it occur to you that should Barlow have domiciled himself in a country with rational taxation your moans could not be uttered. Nor would it occur to you that many charities are infinitely better at spending cash freely given than the State in spending tax extorted. I exclude political groups like Oxfam and RSCA, naturally.l
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!![/p][/quote]"Pool of tax fallacy" You don't believe that the State borrows to attain what it believes to be its due. I am sure nothing will persuade you otherwise, nor will it occur to you that should Barlow have domiciled himself in a country with rational taxation your moans could not be uttered. Nor would it occur to you that many charities are infinitely better at spending cash freely given than the State in spending tax extorted. I exclude political groups like Oxfam and RSCA, naturally.l Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

5:29pm Fri 30 May 14

endthelies says...

Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!!
"Pool of tax fallacy" You don't believe that the State borrows to attain what it believes to be its due. I am sure nothing will persuade you otherwise, nor will it occur to you that should Barlow have domiciled himself in a country with rational taxation your moans could not be uttered. Nor would it occur to you that many charities are infinitely better at spending cash freely given than the State in spending tax extorted. I exclude political groups like Oxfam and RSCA, naturally.l
That's not the point really though is it Dai. The fact is, he avoided paying his taxes, which as a citizen of this country, the country that has enabled to amass his fortune, he is liable to pay. Lets all 'legally avoid' our taxes eh. From the working classes to the upper classes and then lets see what happens.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!![/p][/quote]"Pool of tax fallacy" You don't believe that the State borrows to attain what it believes to be its due. I am sure nothing will persuade you otherwise, nor will it occur to you that should Barlow have domiciled himself in a country with rational taxation your moans could not be uttered. Nor would it occur to you that many charities are infinitely better at spending cash freely given than the State in spending tax extorted. I exclude political groups like Oxfam and RSCA, naturally.l[/p][/quote]That's not the point really though is it Dai. The fact is, he avoided paying his taxes, which as a citizen of this country, the country that has enabled to amass his fortune, he is liable to pay. Lets all 'legally avoid' our taxes eh. From the working classes to the upper classes and then lets see what happens. endthelies
  • Score: 2

6:46pm Fri 30 May 14

Dai Rear says...

endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!!
"Pool of tax fallacy" You don't believe that the State borrows to attain what it believes to be its due. I am sure nothing will persuade you otherwise, nor will it occur to you that should Barlow have domiciled himself in a country with rational taxation your moans could not be uttered. Nor would it occur to you that many charities are infinitely better at spending cash freely given than the State in spending tax extorted. I exclude political groups like Oxfam and RSCA, naturally.l
That's not the point really though is it Dai. The fact is, he avoided paying his taxes, which as a citizen of this country, the country that has enabled to amass his fortune, he is liable to pay. Lets all 'legally avoid' our taxes eh. From the working classes to the upper classes and then lets see what happens.
You don't contribute to a pension, clearly. Fine. Many do, and in your book that is no doubt tax avoidance. Whether Barlow uses more NHS, Social Services, police, than those who pay very little or no tax, well who knows? It seems unlikely to me , but I guess you know better.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!![/p][/quote]"Pool of tax fallacy" You don't believe that the State borrows to attain what it believes to be its due. I am sure nothing will persuade you otherwise, nor will it occur to you that should Barlow have domiciled himself in a country with rational taxation your moans could not be uttered. Nor would it occur to you that many charities are infinitely better at spending cash freely given than the State in spending tax extorted. I exclude political groups like Oxfam and RSCA, naturally.l[/p][/quote]That's not the point really though is it Dai. The fact is, he avoided paying his taxes, which as a citizen of this country, the country that has enabled to amass his fortune, he is liable to pay. Lets all 'legally avoid' our taxes eh. From the working classes to the upper classes and then lets see what happens.[/p][/quote]You don't contribute to a pension, clearly. Fine. Many do, and in your book that is no doubt tax avoidance. Whether Barlow uses more NHS, Social Services, police, than those who pay very little or no tax, well who knows? It seems unlikely to me , but I guess you know better. Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

6:58pm Fri 30 May 14

endthelies says...

Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!!
"Pool of tax fallacy" You don't believe that the State borrows to attain what it believes to be its due. I am sure nothing will persuade you otherwise, nor will it occur to you that should Barlow have domiciled himself in a country with rational taxation your moans could not be uttered. Nor would it occur to you that many charities are infinitely better at spending cash freely given than the State in spending tax extorted. I exclude political groups like Oxfam and RSCA, naturally.l
That's not the point really though is it Dai. The fact is, he avoided paying his taxes, which as a citizen of this country, the country that has enabled to amass his fortune, he is liable to pay. Lets all 'legally avoid' our taxes eh. From the working classes to the upper classes and then lets see what happens.
You don't contribute to a pension, clearly. Fine. Many do, and in your book that is no doubt tax avoidance. Whether Barlow uses more NHS, Social Services, police, than those who pay very little or no tax, well who knows? It seems unlikely to me , but I guess you know better.
I know he diddled his taxes!!
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!![/p][/quote]"Pool of tax fallacy" You don't believe that the State borrows to attain what it believes to be its due. I am sure nothing will persuade you otherwise, nor will it occur to you that should Barlow have domiciled himself in a country with rational taxation your moans could not be uttered. Nor would it occur to you that many charities are infinitely better at spending cash freely given than the State in spending tax extorted. I exclude political groups like Oxfam and RSCA, naturally.l[/p][/quote]That's not the point really though is it Dai. The fact is, he avoided paying his taxes, which as a citizen of this country, the country that has enabled to amass his fortune, he is liable to pay. Lets all 'legally avoid' our taxes eh. From the working classes to the upper classes and then lets see what happens.[/p][/quote]You don't contribute to a pension, clearly. Fine. Many do, and in your book that is no doubt tax avoidance. Whether Barlow uses more NHS, Social Services, police, than those who pay very little or no tax, well who knows? It seems unlikely to me , but I guess you know better.[/p][/quote]I know he diddled his taxes!! endthelies
  • Score: 1

7:15pm Fri 30 May 14

endthelies says...

To the tune of £20 million quid!! But his close friend David Cameron says he should not have to give back his OBE. :-)
To the tune of £20 million quid!! But his close friend David Cameron says he should not have to give back his OBE. :-) endthelies
  • Score: 2

7:19pm Fri 30 May 14

endthelies says...

I must say though he's a great piano player. It also seems he's good on the fiddle...
I must say though he's a great piano player. It also seems he's good on the fiddle... endthelies
  • Score: 2

7:45am Sat 31 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Perhaps rather more to the point than whether someone who pays more taxes than you or I is wicked for participating in a scheme to avoid, not evade, even more, is the fact that none of the 3 stooges who presently are the government and the opposition have said one dickey bird about the European Arrest Warrant. This would allow, for example, the wonderfully competent Portuguese police to arrest YOU End, , in Wales for something they thought you might have done, or for something which isn't a crime in Wales, or indeed because someone has bribed them. UKIP wouldn't allow this. It is, frankly, obscene that Miliband Cameron and Clegg clearly think it's OK. Surely we can agree on that.
Perhaps rather more to the point than whether someone who pays more taxes than you or I is wicked for participating in a scheme to avoid, not evade, even more, is the fact that none of the 3 stooges who presently are the government and the opposition have said one dickey bird about the European Arrest Warrant. This would allow, for example, the wonderfully competent Portuguese police to arrest YOU End, , in Wales for something they thought you might have done, or for something which isn't a crime in Wales, or indeed because someone has bribed them. UKIP wouldn't allow this. It is, frankly, obscene that Miliband Cameron and Clegg clearly think it's OK. Surely we can agree on that. Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

10:15am Sat 31 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

endthelies wrote:
I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!!
And how much do you think that Barlow has paid in tax already?
A b****y sight more than us I can tell you.
Why should these people give well over half their earnings for the government to waste or to put into the bottomless pit known as the NHS, which, no matter how much you finance it, it never improves?
Also, these people (Lewis Hamilton comes to mind) will just domicile themselves in another Country and I don't blame them.
I am sure most people on here , if they were honest, would do the same in their situation.
Other Countries try hard to attract these wealthy people with low or no tax incentives like Monaco for example.
They then spend money in the local economy, which then is not being spent in the UK.
Socialists don't get this though.
There aim is to tax people as much as is possible and give no incentives for people to get on and do well.
Success is anathema to these people, they just wallow in their own misery, criticising anybody with ambition or who has worked hard and been successful.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!![/p][/quote]And how much do you think that Barlow has paid in tax already? A b****y sight more than us I can tell you. Why should these people give well over half their earnings for the government to waste or to put into the bottomless pit known as the NHS, which, no matter how much you finance it, it never improves? Also, these people (Lewis Hamilton comes to mind) will just domicile themselves in another Country and I don't blame them. I am sure most people on here , if they were honest, would do the same in their situation. Other Countries try hard to attract these wealthy people with low or no tax incentives like Monaco for example. They then spend money in the local economy, which then is not being spent in the UK. Socialists don't get this though. There aim is to tax people as much as is possible and give no incentives for people to get on and do well. Success is anathema to these people, they just wallow in their own misery, criticising anybody with ambition or who has worked hard and been successful. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -5

10:18am Sat 31 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

endthelies wrote:
I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!!
And how much do you think that Barlow has paid in tax already?
A b****y sight more than us I can tell you.
Why should these people give well over half their earnings for the government to waste or to put into the bottomless pit known as the NHS, which, no matter how much you finance it, it never improves?
Also, these people (Lewis Hamilton comes to mind) will just domicile themselves in another Country and I don't blame them.
I am sure most people on here , if they were honest, would do the same in their situation.
Other Countries try hard to attract these wealthy people with low or no tax incentives like Monaco for example.
They then spend money in the local economy, which then is not being spent in the UK.
Socialists don't get this though.
There aim is to tax people as much as is possible and give no incentives for people to get on and do well.
Success is anathema to these people, they just wallow in their own misery, criticising anybody with ambition or who has worked hard and been successful.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!![/p][/quote]And how much do you think that Barlow has paid in tax already? A b****y sight more than us I can tell you. Why should these people give well over half their earnings for the government to waste or to put into the bottomless pit known as the NHS, which, no matter how much you finance it, it never improves? Also, these people (Lewis Hamilton comes to mind) will just domicile themselves in another Country and I don't blame them. I am sure most people on here , if they were honest, would do the same in their situation. Other Countries try hard to attract these wealthy people with low or no tax incentives like Monaco for example. They then spend money in the local economy, which then is not being spent in the UK. Socialists don't get this though. There aim is to tax people as much as is possible and give no incentives for people to get on and do well. Success is anathema to these people, they just wallow in their own misery, criticising anybody with ambition or who has worked hard and been successful. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -5

10:29am Sat 31 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Well said Cymru Am Beth. I have some capital, but not enough to do what I, and I'd hope most sane people, would like to do and go and domicile myself in any country you like. Because UK has the highest death tax in the world except the Irish Republic, which doesn't really count. And if I could pay the fares of my children and grandchildren out to Italy, for example to see me I'd be off. But millions of families will lose billions of pounds when their parents die and leave modest semis. That's socialism and it stinks.
Well said Cymru Am Beth. I have some capital, but not enough to do what I, and I'd hope most sane people, would like to do and go and domicile myself in any country you like. Because UK has the highest death tax in the world except the Irish Republic, which doesn't really count. And if I could pay the fares of my children and grandchildren out to Italy, for example to see me I'd be off. But millions of families will lose billions of pounds when their parents die and leave modest semis. That's socialism and it stinks. Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

12:35pm Sat 31 May 14

endthelies says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!!
And how much do you think that Barlow has paid in tax already?
A b****y sight more than us I can tell you.
Why should these people give well over half their earnings for the government to waste or to put into the bottomless pit known as the NHS, which, no matter how much you finance it, it never improves?
Also, these people (Lewis Hamilton comes to mind) will just domicile themselves in another Country and I don't blame them.
I am sure most people on here , if they were honest, would do the same in their situation.
Other Countries try hard to attract these wealthy people with low or no tax incentives like Monaco for example.
They then spend money in the local economy, which then is not being spent in the UK.
Socialists don't get this though.
There aim is to tax people as much as is possible and give no incentives for people to get on and do well.
Success is anathema to these people, they just wallow in their own misery, criticising anybody with ambition or who has worked hard and been successful.
I'm not criticising him for working hard. I'm criticising him for not paying his taxes as he should. Other people who work hard pay their taxes as they should, why is he any different, what he has done is basically steal from his country, but as I said before, we could all do the same if we wanted. And Dai, I'm not quite sure what your comments about the European arrest warrants have to do with this discussion.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!![/p][/quote]And how much do you think that Barlow has paid in tax already? A b****y sight more than us I can tell you. Why should these people give well over half their earnings for the government to waste or to put into the bottomless pit known as the NHS, which, no matter how much you finance it, it never improves? Also, these people (Lewis Hamilton comes to mind) will just domicile themselves in another Country and I don't blame them. I am sure most people on here , if they were honest, would do the same in their situation. Other Countries try hard to attract these wealthy people with low or no tax incentives like Monaco for example. They then spend money in the local economy, which then is not being spent in the UK. Socialists don't get this though. There aim is to tax people as much as is possible and give no incentives for people to get on and do well. Success is anathema to these people, they just wallow in their own misery, criticising anybody with ambition or who has worked hard and been successful.[/p][/quote]I'm not criticising him for working hard. I'm criticising him for not paying his taxes as he should. Other people who work hard pay their taxes as they should, why is he any different, what he has done is basically steal from his country, but as I said before, we could all do the same if we wanted. And Dai, I'm not quite sure what your comments about the European arrest warrants have to do with this discussion. endthelies
  • Score: 2

1:01pm Sat 31 May 14

endthelies says...

Whatever he said and whatever he did, he didn't mean it :-)
Whatever he said and whatever he did, he didn't mean it :-) endthelies
  • Score: 2

1:54pm Sat 31 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Does it exercise you in anyway that Moonface, Clugg and Millipede appear not to give a to** about the people of Wales being arrested for no reason and banged up for years in some scruffy European gaol?
As for Barlow, you pay as much tax as he has and then you can caste the first stone. In fact, pay as much tax as I have and you can caste the first stone. The function of the State is to protect the citizen from our enemies, keep the peace and not debauch the currency . The rest we can do ourselves and there's no need for the State to take half our cash, particularly if it's going to let Johnny Foreigner arrest and lock up our citizens without showing due cause.
Does it exercise you in anyway that Moonface, Clugg and Millipede appear not to give a to** about the people of Wales being arrested for no reason and banged up for years in some scruffy European gaol? As for Barlow, you pay as much tax as he has and then you can caste the first stone. In fact, pay as much tax as I have and you can caste the first stone. The function of the State is to protect the citizen from our enemies, keep the peace and not debauch the currency . The rest we can do ourselves and there's no need for the State to take half our cash, particularly if it's going to let Johnny Foreigner arrest and lock up our citizens without showing due cause. Dai Rear
  • Score: -4

1:58pm Sat 31 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!!
And how much do you think that Barlow has paid in tax already?
A b****y sight more than us I can tell you.
Why should these people give well over half their earnings for the government to waste or to put into the bottomless pit known as the NHS, which, no matter how much you finance it, it never improves?
Also, these people (Lewis Hamilton comes to mind) will just domicile themselves in another Country and I don't blame them.
I am sure most people on here , if they were honest, would do the same in their situation.
Other Countries try hard to attract these wealthy people with low or no tax incentives like Monaco for example.
They then spend money in the local economy, which then is not being spent in the UK.
Socialists don't get this though.
There aim is to tax people as much as is possible and give no incentives for people to get on and do well.
Success is anathema to these people, they just wallow in their own misery, criticising anybody with ambition or who has worked hard and been successful.
I'm not criticising him for working hard. I'm criticising him for not paying his taxes as he should. Other people who work hard pay their taxes as they should, why is he any different, what he has done is basically steal from his country, but as I said before, we could all do the same if we wanted. And Dai, I'm not quite sure what your comments about the European arrest warrants have to do with this discussion.
What about the MP's on both sides of the house, didn't they steal from us (and still do with their dodgy expensive claims?
What about people on benefits that work without declaring (plenty of them in Newport) and will accept only cash, they are also stealing from the Country?
I wouldn't class a tax scheme aimed at reducing one's liability, in the same league as those I have previously mentioned.
As I said, I am sure that we would all try and reduce our liability if we were in a position to do so, it is human nature.
I do like your other post though with regard to the lyrics.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!![/p][/quote]And how much do you think that Barlow has paid in tax already? A b****y sight more than us I can tell you. Why should these people give well over half their earnings for the government to waste or to put into the bottomless pit known as the NHS, which, no matter how much you finance it, it never improves? Also, these people (Lewis Hamilton comes to mind) will just domicile themselves in another Country and I don't blame them. I am sure most people on here , if they were honest, would do the same in their situation. Other Countries try hard to attract these wealthy people with low or no tax incentives like Monaco for example. They then spend money in the local economy, which then is not being spent in the UK. Socialists don't get this though. There aim is to tax people as much as is possible and give no incentives for people to get on and do well. Success is anathema to these people, they just wallow in their own misery, criticising anybody with ambition or who has worked hard and been successful.[/p][/quote]I'm not criticising him for working hard. I'm criticising him for not paying his taxes as he should. Other people who work hard pay their taxes as they should, why is he any different, what he has done is basically steal from his country, but as I said before, we could all do the same if we wanted. And Dai, I'm not quite sure what your comments about the European arrest warrants have to do with this discussion.[/p][/quote]What about the MP's on both sides of the house, didn't they steal from us (and still do with their dodgy expensive claims? What about people on benefits that work without declaring (plenty of them in Newport) and will accept only cash, they are also stealing from the Country? I wouldn't class a tax scheme aimed at reducing one's liability, in the same league as those I have previously mentioned. As I said, I am sure that we would all try and reduce our liability if we were in a position to do so, it is human nature. I do like your other post though with regard to the lyrics. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -4

4:57pm Sat 31 May 14

endthelies says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!!
And how much do you think that Barlow has paid in tax already?
A b****y sight more than us I can tell you.
Why should these people give well over half their earnings for the government to waste or to put into the bottomless pit known as the NHS, which, no matter how much you finance it, it never improves?
Also, these people (Lewis Hamilton comes to mind) will just domicile themselves in another Country and I don't blame them.
I am sure most people on here , if they were honest, would do the same in their situation.
Other Countries try hard to attract these wealthy people with low or no tax incentives like Monaco for example.
They then spend money in the local economy, which then is not being spent in the UK.
Socialists don't get this though.
There aim is to tax people as much as is possible and give no incentives for people to get on and do well.
Success is anathema to these people, they just wallow in their own misery, criticising anybody with ambition or who has worked hard and been successful.
I'm not criticising him for working hard. I'm criticising him for not paying his taxes as he should. Other people who work hard pay their taxes as they should, why is he any different, what he has done is basically steal from his country, but as I said before, we could all do the same if we wanted. And Dai, I'm not quite sure what your comments about the European arrest warrants have to do with this discussion.
What about the MP's on both sides of the house, didn't they steal from us (and still do with their dodgy expensive claims?
What about people on benefits that work without declaring (plenty of them in Newport) and will accept only cash, they are also stealing from the Country?
I wouldn't class a tax scheme aimed at reducing one's liability, in the same league as those I have previously mentioned.
As I said, I am sure that we would all try and reduce our liability if we were in a position to do so, it is human nature.
I do like your other post though with regard to the lyrics.
Thank you very much Cymru. I do have a bit of a weird sense of humour you know :) I agree, people who work and illegally claim benefits are thieves, just like Mr Barlow is, only he steals under the guise of 'tax avoiding'. Same horse different jockey as far as I'm concerned. I haven't paid as much tax as Mr Barlow but then I haven't earned the millions he has, If I had, I would be liable to pay tax on it, just as I had to pay taxes on my earnings as a Teaching assistant for 30 years. Just as my friend has to do on her earnings from a factory, although she has to pay more because her husband died at a young age, leaving her with a small child and in receipt of widows benefit, for which she is taxed twice. I'm sure she'd like to 'avoid' her taxes also but she doesn't because she's honest. Unlike Mr Barlow.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!![/p][/quote]And how much do you think that Barlow has paid in tax already? A b****y sight more than us I can tell you. Why should these people give well over half their earnings for the government to waste or to put into the bottomless pit known as the NHS, which, no matter how much you finance it, it never improves? Also, these people (Lewis Hamilton comes to mind) will just domicile themselves in another Country and I don't blame them. I am sure most people on here , if they were honest, would do the same in their situation. Other Countries try hard to attract these wealthy people with low or no tax incentives like Monaco for example. They then spend money in the local economy, which then is not being spent in the UK. Socialists don't get this though. There aim is to tax people as much as is possible and give no incentives for people to get on and do well. Success is anathema to these people, they just wallow in their own misery, criticising anybody with ambition or who has worked hard and been successful.[/p][/quote]I'm not criticising him for working hard. I'm criticising him for not paying his taxes as he should. Other people who work hard pay their taxes as they should, why is he any different, what he has done is basically steal from his country, but as I said before, we could all do the same if we wanted. And Dai, I'm not quite sure what your comments about the European arrest warrants have to do with this discussion.[/p][/quote]What about the MP's on both sides of the house, didn't they steal from us (and still do with their dodgy expensive claims? What about people on benefits that work without declaring (plenty of them in Newport) and will accept only cash, they are also stealing from the Country? I wouldn't class a tax scheme aimed at reducing one's liability, in the same league as those I have previously mentioned. As I said, I am sure that we would all try and reduce our liability if we were in a position to do so, it is human nature. I do like your other post though with regard to the lyrics.[/p][/quote]Thank you very much Cymru. I do have a bit of a weird sense of humour you know :) I agree, people who work and illegally claim benefits are thieves, just like Mr Barlow is, only he steals under the guise of 'tax avoiding'. Same horse different jockey as far as I'm concerned. I haven't paid as much tax as Mr Barlow but then I haven't earned the millions he has, If I had, I would be liable to pay tax on it, just as I had to pay taxes on my earnings as a Teaching assistant for 30 years. Just as my friend has to do on her earnings from a factory, although she has to pay more because her husband died at a young age, leaving her with a small child and in receipt of widows benefit, for which she is taxed twice. I'm sure she'd like to 'avoid' her taxes also but she doesn't because she's honest. Unlike Mr Barlow. endthelies
  • Score: 2

5:16pm Sat 31 May 14

endthelies says...

And why didn't he just fill his tax returns forms in, after all, It Only Takes A Minute........... (sorry, I'll stop now) :)
And why didn't he just fill his tax returns forms in, after all, It Only Takes A Minute........... (sorry, I'll stop now) :) endthelies
  • Score: 2

9:32am Sun 1 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!!
And how much do you think that Barlow has paid in tax already?
A b****y sight more than us I can tell you.
Why should these people give well over half their earnings for the government to waste or to put into the bottomless pit known as the NHS, which, no matter how much you finance it, it never improves?
Also, these people (Lewis Hamilton comes to mind) will just domicile themselves in another Country and I don't blame them.
I am sure most people on here , if they were honest, would do the same in their situation.
Other Countries try hard to attract these wealthy people with low or no tax incentives like Monaco for example.
They then spend money in the local economy, which then is not being spent in the UK.
Socialists don't get this though.
There aim is to tax people as much as is possible and give no incentives for people to get on and do well.
Success is anathema to these people, they just wallow in their own misery, criticising anybody with ambition or who has worked hard and been successful.
I'm not criticising him for working hard. I'm criticising him for not paying his taxes as he should. Other people who work hard pay their taxes as they should, why is he any different, what he has done is basically steal from his country, but as I said before, we could all do the same if we wanted. And Dai, I'm not quite sure what your comments about the European arrest warrants have to do with this discussion.
What about the MP's on both sides of the house, didn't they steal from us (and still do with their dodgy expensive claims?
What about people on benefits that work without declaring (plenty of them in Newport) and will accept only cash, they are also stealing from the Country?
I wouldn't class a tax scheme aimed at reducing one's liability, in the same league as those I have previously mentioned.
As I said, I am sure that we would all try and reduce our liability if we were in a position to do so, it is human nature.
I do like your other post though with regard to the lyrics.
Thank you very much Cymru. I do have a bit of a weird sense of humour you know :) I agree, people who work and illegally claim benefits are thieves, just like Mr Barlow is, only he steals under the guise of 'tax avoiding'. Same horse different jockey as far as I'm concerned. I haven't paid as much tax as Mr Barlow but then I haven't earned the millions he has, If I had, I would be liable to pay tax on it, just as I had to pay taxes on my earnings as a Teaching assistant for 30 years. Just as my friend has to do on her earnings from a factory, although she has to pay more because her husband died at a young age, leaving her with a small child and in receipt of widows benefit, for which she is taxed twice. I'm sure she'd like to 'avoid' her taxes also but she doesn't because she's honest. Unlike Mr Barlow.
If you were a classroom assistant employed by a local authority then you avoided tax because your pension contributions were paid out of gross income. Either now pay the tax you avoided on the contributions or accept you're a thief-because you succeeded in avoiding tax, where Barlow actually didn't.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!![/p][/quote]And how much do you think that Barlow has paid in tax already? A b****y sight more than us I can tell you. Why should these people give well over half their earnings for the government to waste or to put into the bottomless pit known as the NHS, which, no matter how much you finance it, it never improves? Also, these people (Lewis Hamilton comes to mind) will just domicile themselves in another Country and I don't blame them. I am sure most people on here , if they were honest, would do the same in their situation. Other Countries try hard to attract these wealthy people with low or no tax incentives like Monaco for example. They then spend money in the local economy, which then is not being spent in the UK. Socialists don't get this though. There aim is to tax people as much as is possible and give no incentives for people to get on and do well. Success is anathema to these people, they just wallow in their own misery, criticising anybody with ambition or who has worked hard and been successful.[/p][/quote]I'm not criticising him for working hard. I'm criticising him for not paying his taxes as he should. Other people who work hard pay their taxes as they should, why is he any different, what he has done is basically steal from his country, but as I said before, we could all do the same if we wanted. And Dai, I'm not quite sure what your comments about the European arrest warrants have to do with this discussion.[/p][/quote]What about the MP's on both sides of the house, didn't they steal from us (and still do with their dodgy expensive claims? What about people on benefits that work without declaring (plenty of them in Newport) and will accept only cash, they are also stealing from the Country? I wouldn't class a tax scheme aimed at reducing one's liability, in the same league as those I have previously mentioned. As I said, I am sure that we would all try and reduce our liability if we were in a position to do so, it is human nature. I do like your other post though with regard to the lyrics.[/p][/quote]Thank you very much Cymru. I do have a bit of a weird sense of humour you know :) I agree, people who work and illegally claim benefits are thieves, just like Mr Barlow is, only he steals under the guise of 'tax avoiding'. Same horse different jockey as far as I'm concerned. I haven't paid as much tax as Mr Barlow but then I haven't earned the millions he has, If I had, I would be liable to pay tax on it, just as I had to pay taxes on my earnings as a Teaching assistant for 30 years. Just as my friend has to do on her earnings from a factory, although she has to pay more because her husband died at a young age, leaving her with a small child and in receipt of widows benefit, for which she is taxed twice. I'm sure she'd like to 'avoid' her taxes also but she doesn't because she's honest. Unlike Mr Barlow.[/p][/quote]If you were a classroom assistant employed by a local authority then you avoided tax because your pension contributions were paid out of gross income. Either now pay the tax you avoided on the contributions or accept you're a thief-because you succeeded in avoiding tax, where Barlow actually didn't. Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

11:47am Sun 1 Jun 14

endthelies says...

Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!!
And how much do you think that Barlow has paid in tax already?
A b****y sight more than us I can tell you.
Why should these people give well over half their earnings for the government to waste or to put into the bottomless pit known as the NHS, which, no matter how much you finance it, it never improves?
Also, these people (Lewis Hamilton comes to mind) will just domicile themselves in another Country and I don't blame them.
I am sure most people on here , if they were honest, would do the same in their situation.
Other Countries try hard to attract these wealthy people with low or no tax incentives like Monaco for example.
They then spend money in the local economy, which then is not being spent in the UK.
Socialists don't get this though.
There aim is to tax people as much as is possible and give no incentives for people to get on and do well.
Success is anathema to these people, they just wallow in their own misery, criticising anybody with ambition or who has worked hard and been successful.
I'm not criticising him for working hard. I'm criticising him for not paying his taxes as he should. Other people who work hard pay their taxes as they should, why is he any different, what he has done is basically steal from his country, but as I said before, we could all do the same if we wanted. And Dai, I'm not quite sure what your comments about the European arrest warrants have to do with this discussion.
What about the MP's on both sides of the house, didn't they steal from us (and still do with their dodgy expensive claims?
What about people on benefits that work without declaring (plenty of them in Newport) and will accept only cash, they are also stealing from the Country?
I wouldn't class a tax scheme aimed at reducing one's liability, in the same league as those I have previously mentioned.
As I said, I am sure that we would all try and reduce our liability if we were in a position to do so, it is human nature.
I do like your other post though with regard to the lyrics.
Thank you very much Cymru. I do have a bit of a weird sense of humour you know :) I agree, people who work and illegally claim benefits are thieves, just like Mr Barlow is, only he steals under the guise of 'tax avoiding'. Same horse different jockey as far as I'm concerned. I haven't paid as much tax as Mr Barlow but then I haven't earned the millions he has, If I had, I would be liable to pay tax on it, just as I had to pay taxes on my earnings as a Teaching assistant for 30 years. Just as my friend has to do on her earnings from a factory, although she has to pay more because her husband died at a young age, leaving her with a small child and in receipt of widows benefit, for which she is taxed twice. I'm sure she'd like to 'avoid' her taxes also but she doesn't because she's honest. Unlike Mr Barlow.
If you were a classroom assistant employed by a local authority then you avoided tax because your pension contributions were paid out of gross income. Either now pay the tax you avoided on the contributions or accept you're a thief-because you succeeded in avoiding tax, where Barlow actually didn't.
I never paid into a pension! Wages were to low. So therefore, I am not a thief, however, you may be.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I think Topdog was referring to Gary Barlow in his post. He 'legally avoided' paying his tax. I have already posted this on another thread but I'll say it again. The ordinary man in the street pays tax on what he earns. He does extra shifts and earns more, he pays more tax. Now why should Mr Barlow be any different from a working class person. And why should he and others thinks its ok to deprive our country, the one which brought him his wealth, of his taxes.Everyone else has to do it. He has asked those people to give generously to multiple charities whilst depriving the economy of monies that might actually help these people in the first place!![/p][/quote]And how much do you think that Barlow has paid in tax already? A b****y sight more than us I can tell you. Why should these people give well over half their earnings for the government to waste or to put into the bottomless pit known as the NHS, which, no matter how much you finance it, it never improves? Also, these people (Lewis Hamilton comes to mind) will just domicile themselves in another Country and I don't blame them. I am sure most people on here , if they were honest, would do the same in their situation. Other Countries try hard to attract these wealthy people with low or no tax incentives like Monaco for example. They then spend money in the local economy, which then is not being spent in the UK. Socialists don't get this though. There aim is to tax people as much as is possible and give no incentives for people to get on and do well. Success is anathema to these people, they just wallow in their own misery, criticising anybody with ambition or who has worked hard and been successful.[/p][/quote]I'm not criticising him for working hard. I'm criticising him for not paying his taxes as he should. Other people who work hard pay their taxes as they should, why is he any different, what he has done is basically steal from his country, but as I said before, we could all do the same if we wanted. And Dai, I'm not quite sure what your comments about the European arrest warrants have to do with this discussion.[/p][/quote]What about the MP's on both sides of the house, didn't they steal from us (and still do with their dodgy expensive claims? What about people on benefits that work without declaring (plenty of them in Newport) and will accept only cash, they are also stealing from the Country? I wouldn't class a tax scheme aimed at reducing one's liability, in the same league as those I have previously mentioned. As I said, I am sure that we would all try and reduce our liability if we were in a position to do so, it is human nature. I do like your other post though with regard to the lyrics.[/p][/quote]Thank you very much Cymru. I do have a bit of a weird sense of humour you know :) I agree, people who work and illegally claim benefits are thieves, just like Mr Barlow is, only he steals under the guise of 'tax avoiding'. Same horse different jockey as far as I'm concerned. I haven't paid as much tax as Mr Barlow but then I haven't earned the millions he has, If I had, I would be liable to pay tax on it, just as I had to pay taxes on my earnings as a Teaching assistant for 30 years. Just as my friend has to do on her earnings from a factory, although she has to pay more because her husband died at a young age, leaving her with a small child and in receipt of widows benefit, for which she is taxed twice. I'm sure she'd like to 'avoid' her taxes also but she doesn't because she's honest. Unlike Mr Barlow.[/p][/quote]If you were a classroom assistant employed by a local authority then you avoided tax because your pension contributions were paid out of gross income. Either now pay the tax you avoided on the contributions or accept you're a thief-because you succeeded in avoiding tax, where Barlow actually didn't.[/p][/quote]I never paid into a pension! Wages were to low. So therefore, I am not a thief, however, you may be. endthelies
  • Score: 2

11:55am Sun 1 Jun 14

endthelies says...

At least you finally admitted that Barlow is a thief (at last), he just hasn't got away with it!! Anyway, people who pay into a pension are actually saving the government by not claiming benefits when they retire. So how is that stealing as you have stated!! Love you too Dai.xx
At least you finally admitted that Barlow is a thief (at last), he just hasn't got away with it!! Anyway, people who pay into a pension are actually saving the government by not claiming benefits when they retire. So how is that stealing as you have stated!! Love you too Dai.xx endthelies
  • Score: 2

11:56am Sun 1 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

I did indeed pay into pension funds, and still do. If that makes me a thief in your eyes then , since most of the population does pay into such funds you may find it difficult to find any "honest" friends. However, since, to the best of my knowledge, neither the 1968 Theft Act nor any statutory modification thereof makes it an offence to steal one's own money your definition of theft may well render you unsuitable for jury service. On the other hand, since you must have paid a very small amount of National Insurance Tax the £7,000 a year OAP you'll get looks like a bit of a bargain , so -be happy!
I did indeed pay into pension funds, and still do. If that makes me a thief in your eyes then , since most of the population does pay into such funds you may find it difficult to find any "honest" friends. However, since, to the best of my knowledge, neither the 1968 Theft Act nor any statutory modification thereof makes it an offence to steal one's own money your definition of theft may well render you unsuitable for jury service. On the other hand, since you must have paid a very small amount of National Insurance Tax the £7,000 a year OAP you'll get looks like a bit of a bargain , so -be happy! Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

12:03pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

I've not, so far as I'm aware admitted he's a thief. In fact if you read my last post you will note that it appears to be established law (though I'm sure you'll differ) that one cannot steal one's own property.
Anyway
"It wasn't me that started that old crazy Asian war,"
T. Blair-with acknowledgments to Kenny Rogers.
I've not, so far as I'm aware admitted he's a thief. In fact if you read my last post you will note that it appears to be established law (though I'm sure you'll differ) that one cannot steal one's own property. Anyway "It wasn't me that started that old crazy Asian war," T. Blair-with acknowledgments to Kenny Rogers. Dai Rear
  • Score: -4

12:07pm Sun 1 Jun 14

endthelies says...

I am thank you very much. I also paid all my tax for 30 odd years. If I worked overtime etc, I got taxed more. That's how tax works. Maybe you could email Barlow and explain it to him. I never said people paying into a pension were thieves, you did that all by yourself when you called me one, remember. Legitimate pension schemes and unethical tax avoidance schemes are two very different entities, carried out for very different reasons. Look it up.
I am thank you very much. I also paid all my tax for 30 odd years. If I worked overtime etc, I got taxed more. That's how tax works. Maybe you could email Barlow and explain it to him. I never said people paying into a pension were thieves, you did that all by yourself when you called me one, remember. Legitimate pension schemes and unethical tax avoidance schemes are two very different entities, carried out for very different reasons. Look it up. endthelies
  • Score: 4

12:37pm Sun 1 Jun 14

endthelies says...

Dai Rear wrote:
I've not, so far as I'm aware admitted he's a thief. In fact if you read my last post you will note that it appears to be established law (though I'm sure you'll differ) that one cannot steal one's own property.
Anyway
"It wasn't me that started that old crazy Asian war,"
T. Blair-with acknowledgments to Kenny Rogers.
He didn't steal his own cash though, he stole from Inland Revenue. That's why he's got to pay it back! Maybe you're the one who's not so suitable for Jury service :)
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: I've not, so far as I'm aware admitted he's a thief. In fact if you read my last post you will note that it appears to be established law (though I'm sure you'll differ) that one cannot steal one's own property. Anyway "It wasn't me that started that old crazy Asian war," T. Blair-with acknowledgments to Kenny Rogers.[/p][/quote]He didn't steal his own cash though, he stole from Inland Revenue. That's why he's got to pay it back! Maybe you're the one who's not so suitable for Jury service :) endthelies
  • Score: 3

1:28pm Sun 1 Jun 14

endthelies says...

Dai Rear wrote:
I've not, so far as I'm aware admitted he's a thief. In fact if you read my last post you will note that it appears to be established law (though I'm sure you'll differ) that one cannot steal one's own property.
Anyway
"It wasn't me that started that old crazy Asian war,"
T. Blair-with acknowledgments to Kenny Rogers.
You got to know when to hold um, know when to fold um, no when to walk away, no when to run............... (Kenny Rogers)..
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: I've not, so far as I'm aware admitted he's a thief. In fact if you read my last post you will note that it appears to be established law (though I'm sure you'll differ) that one cannot steal one's own property. Anyway "It wasn't me that started that old crazy Asian war," T. Blair-with acknowledgments to Kenny Rogers.[/p][/quote]You got to know when to hold um, know when to fold um, no when to walk away, no when to run............... (Kenny Rogers).. endthelies
  • Score: 3

1:31pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

Oh for Heaven's sake! Please look up the definition of "theft" in the '68 Act. This is embarrassing.
Oh for Heaven's sake! Please look up the definition of "theft" in the '68 Act. This is embarrassing. Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

1:41pm Sun 1 Jun 14

endthelies says...

Go and put a cold flannel on your neck Dai. You seem to be getting a little het up. The definition of theft is to deprive someone of property that is rightfully theirs. Barlows tax payment should have been the property of the Inland Revenue, but he deprived them of it, ergo, theft. And I'm sorry if you're embarrassed because I myself am not. I think I make quite a good argument actually.
Go and put a cold flannel on your neck Dai. You seem to be getting a little het up. The definition of theft is to deprive someone of property that is rightfully theirs. Barlows tax payment should have been the property of the Inland Revenue, but he deprived them of it, ergo, theft. And I'm sorry if you're embarrassed because I myself am not. I think I make quite a good argument actually. endthelies
  • Score: 2

1:45pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

endthelies wrote:
Go and put a cold flannel on your neck Dai. You seem to be getting a little het up. The definition of theft is to deprive someone of property that is rightfully theirs. Barlows tax payment should have been the property of the Inland Revenue, but he deprived them of it, ergo, theft. And I'm sorry if you're embarrassed because I myself am not. I think I make quite a good argument actually.
"... dishonestly appropriate property BELONGING TO ANOTHER...." It didn't. He didn't..
Your income, which you no doubt spent, belonged to YOU, didn't it?
But a communist would no doubt agree with you. So maybe vote along with the other 3 people in the Principality who think like you....
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: Go and put a cold flannel on your neck Dai. You seem to be getting a little het up. The definition of theft is to deprive someone of property that is rightfully theirs. Barlows tax payment should have been the property of the Inland Revenue, but he deprived them of it, ergo, theft. And I'm sorry if you're embarrassed because I myself am not. I think I make quite a good argument actually.[/p][/quote]"... dishonestly appropriate property BELONGING TO ANOTHER...." It didn't. He didn't.. Your income, which you no doubt spent, belonged to YOU, didn't it? But a communist would no doubt agree with you. So maybe vote along with the other 3 people in the Principality who think like you.... Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

1:52pm Sun 1 Jun 14

endthelies says...

Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Go and put a cold flannel on your neck Dai. You seem to be getting a little het up. The definition of theft is to deprive someone of property that is rightfully theirs. Barlows tax payment should have been the property of the Inland Revenue, but he deprived them of it, ergo, theft. And I'm sorry if you're embarrassed because I myself am not. I think I make quite a good argument actually.
"... dishonestly appropriate property BELONGING TO ANOTHER...." It didn't. He didn't..
Your income, which you no doubt spent, belonged to YOU, didn't it?
But a communist would no doubt agree with you. So maybe vote along with the other 3 people in the Principality who think like you....
Not all my income belonged to me, some of my income had to be paid to the taxman. Why, did you not pay any tax Dai? Did you keep all yours to yourself or did some of it belong to the taxman. I wonder if you spent the money you earned too, otherwise, how would you survive. It seems a little silly to work and not actually spend any of the income you have AFTER you've paid your tax doesn't it.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: Go and put a cold flannel on your neck Dai. You seem to be getting a little het up. The definition of theft is to deprive someone of property that is rightfully theirs. Barlows tax payment should have been the property of the Inland Revenue, but he deprived them of it, ergo, theft. And I'm sorry if you're embarrassed because I myself am not. I think I make quite a good argument actually.[/p][/quote]"... dishonestly appropriate property BELONGING TO ANOTHER...." It didn't. He didn't.. Your income, which you no doubt spent, belonged to YOU, didn't it? But a communist would no doubt agree with you. So maybe vote along with the other 3 people in the Principality who think like you....[/p][/quote]Not all my income belonged to me, some of my income had to be paid to the taxman. Why, did you not pay any tax Dai? Did you keep all yours to yourself or did some of it belong to the taxman. I wonder if you spent the money you earned too, otherwise, how would you survive. It seems a little silly to work and not actually spend any of the income you have AFTER you've paid your tax doesn't it. endthelies
  • Score: 3

1:55pm Sun 1 Jun 14

endthelies says...

Calling me a communist won't bother me either. It just proves to me that you feel you've not got a strong argument when you name call. Look back at my posts, not once have I name called you but there you go. And I'm the one who's supposed to be not suitable for Jury service in your eyes. Yeah right.
Calling me a communist won't bother me either. It just proves to me that you feel you've not got a strong argument when you name call. Look back at my posts, not once have I name called you but there you go. And I'm the one who's supposed to be not suitable for Jury service in your eyes. Yeah right. endthelies
  • Score: 2

2:04pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Go and put a cold flannel on your neck Dai. You seem to be getting a little het up. The definition of theft is to deprive someone of property that is rightfully theirs. Barlows tax payment should have been the property of the Inland Revenue, but he deprived them of it, ergo, theft. And I'm sorry if you're embarrassed because I myself am not. I think I make quite a good argument actually.
"... dishonestly appropriate property BELONGING TO ANOTHER...." It didn't. He didn't..
Your income, which you no doubt spent, belonged to YOU, didn't it?
But a communist would no doubt agree with you. So maybe vote along with the other 3 people in the Principality who think like you....
Not all my income belonged to me, some of my income had to be paid to the taxman. Why, did you not pay any tax Dai? Did you keep all yours to yourself or did some of it belong to the taxman. I wonder if you spent the money you earned too, otherwise, how would you survive. It seems a little silly to work and not actually spend any of the income you have AFTER you've paid your tax doesn't it.
You express a communist view-that the State owns all, the citizen nothing. Not meant to be abusive. Ed is very proud that Dad was a communist
Because you were on PAYE. had you been self-employed the money would have been yours till the January following the end of the tax year, if memory serves.
Of course I paid tax, I am still on 40% tax as it happens. Not funny but one puts up with it for the sake of such valuable projects as HS2.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: Go and put a cold flannel on your neck Dai. You seem to be getting a little het up. The definition of theft is to deprive someone of property that is rightfully theirs. Barlows tax payment should have been the property of the Inland Revenue, but he deprived them of it, ergo, theft. And I'm sorry if you're embarrassed because I myself am not. I think I make quite a good argument actually.[/p][/quote]"... dishonestly appropriate property BELONGING TO ANOTHER...." It didn't. He didn't.. Your income, which you no doubt spent, belonged to YOU, didn't it? But a communist would no doubt agree with you. So maybe vote along with the other 3 people in the Principality who think like you....[/p][/quote]Not all my income belonged to me, some of my income had to be paid to the taxman. Why, did you not pay any tax Dai? Did you keep all yours to yourself or did some of it belong to the taxman. I wonder if you spent the money you earned too, otherwise, how would you survive. It seems a little silly to work and not actually spend any of the income you have AFTER you've paid your tax doesn't it.[/p][/quote]You express a communist view-that the State owns all, the citizen nothing. Not meant to be abusive. Ed is very proud that Dad was a communist Because you were on PAYE. had you been self-employed the money would have been yours till the January following the end of the tax year, if memory serves. Of course I paid tax, I am still on 40% tax as it happens. Not funny but one puts up with it for the sake of such valuable projects as HS2. Dai Rear
  • Score: -4

3:16pm Sun 1 Jun 14

endthelies says...

And there we have it. We've both contributed the amount we should to the taxman. Barlow has not. And if he hadn't been caught out, he never would have. Doesn't that annoy you because it does me. I look at it this way. I had a low income, which was made lower by paying tax, Now, he has a much, much larger income, and therefore, he is liable to pay more tax, as would I if I had such an income. His tax reductions are not going to put him on the breadline, working class peoples tax payments reduce their income to a level that can make life harder. I maybe not putting this properly but what I'm trying to say is that the payments the taxman takes are relative to income for everybody. He and others like him shouldn't be an exception.
And there we have it. We've both contributed the amount we should to the taxman. Barlow has not. And if he hadn't been caught out, he never would have. Doesn't that annoy you because it does me. I look at it this way. I had a low income, which was made lower by paying tax, Now, he has a much, much larger income, and therefore, he is liable to pay more tax, as would I if I had such an income. His tax reductions are not going to put him on the breadline, working class peoples tax payments reduce their income to a level that can make life harder. I maybe not putting this properly but what I'm trying to say is that the payments the taxman takes are relative to income for everybody. He and others like him shouldn't be an exception. endthelies
  • Score: 2

5:07pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

endthelies wrote:
And there we have it. We've both contributed the amount we should to the taxman. Barlow has not. And if he hadn't been caught out, he never would have. Doesn't that annoy you because it does me. I look at it this way. I had a low income, which was made lower by paying tax, Now, he has a much, much larger income, and therefore, he is liable to pay more tax, as would I if I had such an income. His tax reductions are not going to put him on the breadline, working class peoples tax payments reduce their income to a level that can make life harder. I maybe not putting this properly but what I'm trying to say is that the payments the taxman takes are relative to income for everybody. He and others like him shouldn't be an exception.
Fair enough. He joined an overt tax avoidance scheme and it didn't work. If it had worked he'd have paid enough tax. My points have always been that the State is rather poor at spending our cash and that it is a bit dangerous to rely on the people most capable of being mobile to pay the bulk of the tax, 10% of taxpayers, 90% of receipts, you know. But you are right in that tax levels have not (quite) got high enough to create a mass exodus and I think I'm right in saying that more care must be exercised by the State in spending the stuff. Shedloads of cash for "overseas aid" and aircraft carriers without aircraft capable of using them simply won't wash with a critical and reasonably well-informed populace. Not to mention the £90 billion horror of HS2 which no commercial organisation in its craziest fantasies would for a moment think of pursuing.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: And there we have it. We've both contributed the amount we should to the taxman. Barlow has not. And if he hadn't been caught out, he never would have. Doesn't that annoy you because it does me. I look at it this way. I had a low income, which was made lower by paying tax, Now, he has a much, much larger income, and therefore, he is liable to pay more tax, as would I if I had such an income. His tax reductions are not going to put him on the breadline, working class peoples tax payments reduce their income to a level that can make life harder. I maybe not putting this properly but what I'm trying to say is that the payments the taxman takes are relative to income for everybody. He and others like him shouldn't be an exception.[/p][/quote]Fair enough. He joined an overt tax avoidance scheme and it didn't work. If it had worked he'd have paid enough tax. My points have always been that the State is rather poor at spending our cash and that it is a bit dangerous to rely on the people most capable of being mobile to pay the bulk of the tax, 10% of taxpayers, 90% of receipts, you know. But you are right in that tax levels have not (quite) got high enough to create a mass exodus and I think I'm right in saying that more care must be exercised by the State in spending the stuff. Shedloads of cash for "overseas aid" and aircraft carriers without aircraft capable of using them simply won't wash with a critical and reasonably well-informed populace. Not to mention the £90 billion horror of HS2 which no commercial organisation in its craziest fantasies would for a moment think of pursuing. Dai Rear
  • Score: -4

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