"Cannabis" drug to be made available on the NHS in Wales

Savitex, which is to be made available on prescription

Savitex, which is to be made available on prescription

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A "cannabis" drug is to be made available on prescription in Wales, health officials have confirmed.

Sativex is an oral spray formulated from two chemical extracts derived from the cannabis plant and contains delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD).

It will be made available to Welsh NHS patients with multiple sclerosis (MS) after the All Wales Medicines Strategy Group approved its usage.

It means the Welsh NHS is the first UK health service to make a cannabis related drug available on prescription.

Wales' Health Minister Mark Drakeford said he hoped the spray would help ease the suffering of those who have to live with the reality of MS.

The decision was welcomed by Multiple Sclerosis Trust - and hope it will prompt England, Scotland and Northern Ireland to follow suit.

Charity director Amy Bowen, said: "We are extremely pleased that people with MS in Wales will finally have better access to Sativex.

"As a charity we have campaigned over a long period for Sativex to be widely available because of the significant impact that MS spasticity can have on daily activities.

"We just hope that this recommendation will now lead to Sativex being more easily accessible in the rest of the UK."

Sativex was the first cannabis-based medicine to be licensed in the UK.

It is a class B drug and can only be lawfully possessed under a prescription issued by a qualified health professional.

Passing Sativex to someone else, unless that person is lawfully entitled to possess the drug, is a criminal offence.

A statement about the drug on the MS Trust's website says: "As Sativex is derived from cannabis, there were initial concerns that it might cause drug dependence, be psychoactive or cause withdrawal symptoms.

"However, studies into long-term use of Sativex in people with MS showed that sudden discontinuation of treatment did not result in any significant withdrawal-like symptoms although some people reported temporary changes in their sleeping patterns, mood or appetite following discontinuation.

"The lack of withdrawal symptoms suggests that dependence on the treatment is highly unlikely. In addition, Sativex did not affect cognition (thinking or memory) or induce any mental health problems at the doses used."

Wales Health Minister Professor Drakeford said: "Following the appraisal of Sativex by the All Wales Medicines Strategy Group, I am pleased to announce we will be making the medicine available on the Welsh NHS to those who need it. I hope this decision will help ease the suffering of some of those who have to live with the reality of MS every day."

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6:52pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Sheep'n'wellies says...

Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel Sheep'n'wellies
  • Score: 1

6:53pm Fri 15 Aug 14

-trigg- says...

And a major drug company gets to make a fortune... instead of taking the sensible option of decriminalising and allowing people to grow their own.
And a major drug company gets to make a fortune... instead of taking the sensible option of decriminalising and allowing people to grow their own. -trigg-
  • Score: 2

8:59pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Flick212 says...

-trigg- wrote:
And a major drug company gets to make a fortune... instead of taking the sensible option of decriminalising and allowing people to grow their own.
I completely agree. I hope in the near future, as more research is done into this plant that it does get decriminalised and attitudes change.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: And a major drug company gets to make a fortune... instead of taking the sensible option of decriminalising and allowing people to grow their own.[/p][/quote]I completely agree. I hope in the near future, as more research is done into this plant that it does get decriminalised and attitudes change. Flick212
  • Score: 2

10:21pm Fri 15 Aug 14

endthelies says...

Well at least now ms sufferers can use this in the knowledge that they wont be done for possession. Its long been known that cannabis helps ease muscle spasms and pain in ms patients and also works well for arthritis pain. After waiting 8 months for an injection to help my pain on the nhs, I can understand why people would want to try it. There's nothing worse than constant pain and muscle spasms.
Well at least now ms sufferers can use this in the knowledge that they wont be done for possession. Its long been known that cannabis helps ease muscle spasms and pain in ms patients and also works well for arthritis pain. After waiting 8 months for an injection to help my pain on the nhs, I can understand why people would want to try it. There's nothing worse than constant pain and muscle spasms. endthelies
  • Score: 2

3:11am Sat 16 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham

Stoners want to be stoned
[quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel[/p][/quote]Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham Stoners want to be stoned Dr Martin
  • Score: 1

8:39am Sat 16 Aug 14

mikewelsh says...

Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
If you want it made legal.
Why disguise it by calling them Coffee shops?
[quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel[/p][/quote]If you want it made legal. Why disguise it by calling them Coffee shops? mikewelsh
  • Score: 3

8:58am Sat 16 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

-trigg- wrote:
And a major drug company gets to make a fortune... instead of taking the sensible option of decriminalising and allowing people to grow their own.
This is to wean people away from the home-grown muck and dispense a safe alternative. It is for people with a medical condition, not stoned chavs without a brain cell, and other idiots and criminals to profit by. Under clinical and controlled conditions and safety geddit ? (Or maybe already too far gone !).
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: And a major drug company gets to make a fortune... instead of taking the sensible option of decriminalising and allowing people to grow their own.[/p][/quote]This is to wean people away from the home-grown muck and dispense a safe alternative. It is for people with a medical condition, not stoned chavs without a brain cell, and other idiots and criminals to profit by. Under clinical and controlled conditions and safety geddit ? (Or maybe already too far gone !). Mervyn James
  • Score: 3

9:01am Sat 16 Aug 14

warneboy says...

mikewelsh wrote:
Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
If you want it made legal.
Why disguise it by calling them Coffee shops?
Coffee Shop sounds more appealing than "The Druggie Scum"Shop!
[quote][p][bold]mikewelsh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel[/p][/quote]If you want it made legal. Why disguise it by calling them Coffee shops?[/p][/quote]Coffee Shop sounds more appealing than "The Druggie Scum"Shop! warneboy
  • Score: -5

10:38am Sat 16 Aug 14

LL3W80 says...

Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
Missing the point, completely. Bet you'd have a different view if you, or someone you know suffers with MS. I am not for legalising cannabis, but I can see where the benefits are from this drug. Stop being narrow minded, put down your book of fairy tales, and have a thought for those who's lives will be made better by this.
[quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel[/p][/quote]Missing the point, completely. Bet you'd have a different view if you, or someone you know suffers with MS. I am not for legalising cannabis, but I can see where the benefits are from this drug. Stop being narrow minded, put down your book of fairy tales, and have a thought for those who's lives will be made better by this. LL3W80
  • Score: 3

10:52am Sat 16 Aug 14

Sheep'n'wellies says...

LL3W80 wrote:
Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
Missing the point, completely. Bet you'd have a different view if you, or someone you know suffers with MS. I am not for legalising cannabis, but I can see where the benefits are from this drug. Stop being narrow minded, put down your book of fairy tales, and have a thought for those who's lives will be made better by this.
Actually my wife has arthritis and ms so I probably do know someone who suffers with it,plus not everyone will get it on the nhs so at least they can then go buy it
[quote][p][bold]LL3W80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel[/p][/quote]Missing the point, completely. Bet you'd have a different view if you, or someone you know suffers with MS. I am not for legalising cannabis, but I can see where the benefits are from this drug. Stop being narrow minded, put down your book of fairy tales, and have a thought for those who's lives will be made better by this.[/p][/quote]Actually my wife has arthritis and ms so I probably do know someone who suffers with it,plus not everyone will get it on the nhs so at least they can then go buy it Sheep'n'wellies
  • Score: 0

11:13am Sat 16 Aug 14

Independentvoter says...

endthelies wrote:
Well at least now ms sufferers can use this in the knowledge that they wont be done for possession. Its long been known that cannabis helps ease muscle spasms and pain in ms patients and also works well for arthritis pain. After waiting 8 months for an injection to help my pain on the nhs, I can understand why people would want to try it. There's nothing worse than constant pain and muscle spasms.
I agree with your comments although there are many other medical conditions that can cause muscle spasms too such as cervical spondylotic myelopathy and cervical myelomalacia. There is no known cure for myelomalacia and this new cannabis drug would certainly slow down the signals from the brain to the spinal cord resulting in less muscle spasms for patients. Why is this medication just for MS sufferers that's not fair to patients with similar problems. With MS you can have periods of stabilisation where as with myelomalacia you cannot the symptoms are permanent. Therefore this drug should be prescribed to patients who suffer with lesions on the cord or brain. But well done Wales some common sense at last !!!
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: Well at least now ms sufferers can use this in the knowledge that they wont be done for possession. Its long been known that cannabis helps ease muscle spasms and pain in ms patients and also works well for arthritis pain. After waiting 8 months for an injection to help my pain on the nhs, I can understand why people would want to try it. There's nothing worse than constant pain and muscle spasms.[/p][/quote]I agree with your comments although there are many other medical conditions that can cause muscle spasms too such as cervical spondylotic myelopathy and cervical myelomalacia. There is no known cure for myelomalacia and this new cannabis drug would certainly slow down the signals from the brain to the spinal cord resulting in less muscle spasms for patients. Why is this medication just for MS sufferers that's not fair to patients with similar problems. With MS you can have periods of stabilisation where as with myelomalacia you cannot the symptoms are permanent. Therefore this drug should be prescribed to patients who suffer with lesions on the cord or brain. But well done Wales some common sense at last !!! Independentvoter
  • Score: 13

11:26am Sat 16 Aug 14

Independentvoter says...

If my GP were to prescribe this drug what measures are there in place for safe driving ???
If my GP were to prescribe this drug what measures are there in place for safe driving ??? Independentvoter
  • Score: 6

1:44pm Sat 16 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Seems to work: pasted in part from the D/M...

A father battling cancer claims cannabis helped cure him of the disease.
Trevor Smith, 54, was diagnosed with bladder cancer in 2012. Doctors told him that without immediate surgery to remove his bladder, prostate and lymph nodes - followed by chemotherapy - he would be dead within two years.
But worried about his quality of life after such radical surgery, he decided to try alternative therapies - and began taking cannabis oil after learning about it online.

Mr Smith, who works as a manager in the oil and gas industry, said: 'It felt like I was going into the unknown, but the cannabis oil changed things for the better.
'When doctors told me I had gone into remission, I was lost for words, I almost couldn’t believe it.''I feel indebted to the oil and its medical properties, there are alternatives to chemotherapy but people just need to open their eyes to it.'....
Seems to work: pasted in part from the D/M... A father battling cancer claims cannabis helped cure him of the disease. Trevor Smith, 54, was diagnosed with bladder cancer in 2012. Doctors told him that without immediate surgery to remove his bladder, prostate and lymph nodes - followed by chemotherapy - he would be dead within two years. But worried about his quality of life after such radical surgery, he decided to try alternative therapies - and began taking cannabis oil after learning about it online. Mr Smith, who works as a manager in the oil and gas industry, said: 'It felt like I was going into the unknown, but the cannabis oil changed things for the better. 'When doctors told me I had gone into remission, I was lost for words, I almost couldn’t believe it.''I feel indebted to the oil and its medical properties, there are alternatives to chemotherapy but people just need to open their eyes to it.'.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

2:23pm Sat 16 Aug 14

MikeO4O8 says...

Independentvoter wrote:
If my GP were to prescribe this drug what measures are there in place for safe driving ???
the measure is '' you don't drive''

if you have mussel spasms i didn't think you was able to drive anyway encase you spasm while driving and causing a crash.
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: If my GP were to prescribe this drug what measures are there in place for safe driving ???[/p][/quote]the measure is '' you don't drive'' if you have mussel spasms i didn't think you was able to drive anyway encase you spasm while driving and causing a crash. MikeO4O8
  • Score: 5

2:26pm Sat 16 Aug 14

MikeO4O8 says...

endthelies wrote:
Well at least now ms sufferers can use this in the knowledge that they wont be done for possession. Its long been known that cannabis helps ease muscle spasms and pain in ms patients and also works well for arthritis pain. After waiting 8 months for an injection to help my pain on the nhs, I can understand why people would want to try it. There's nothing worse than constant pain and muscle spasms.
''Sativex is an oral spray''

this spray will be made legal, not having actual cannabis on you and smoking spliffs. if they are caught with actual cannabis or spliffs then i am sure they will still be arrested/street caution for it.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: Well at least now ms sufferers can use this in the knowledge that they wont be done for possession. Its long been known that cannabis helps ease muscle spasms and pain in ms patients and also works well for arthritis pain. After waiting 8 months for an injection to help my pain on the nhs, I can understand why people would want to try it. There's nothing worse than constant pain and muscle spasms.[/p][/quote]''Sativex is an oral spray'' this spray will be made legal, not having actual cannabis on you and smoking spliffs. if they are caught with actual cannabis or spliffs then i am sure they will still be arrested/street caution for it. MikeO4O8
  • Score: 4

5:48pm Sat 16 Aug 14

endthelies says...

Independentvoter wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Well at least now ms sufferers can use this in the knowledge that they wont be done for possession. Its long been known that cannabis helps ease muscle spasms and pain in ms patients and also works well for arthritis pain. After waiting 8 months for an injection to help my pain on the nhs, I can understand why people would want to try it. There's nothing worse than constant pain and muscle spasms.
I agree with your comments although there are many other medical conditions that can cause muscle spasms too such as cervical spondylotic myelopathy and cervical myelomalacia. There is no known cure for myelomalacia and this new cannabis drug would certainly slow down the signals from the brain to the spinal cord resulting in less muscle spasms for patients. Why is this medication just for MS sufferers that's not fair to patients with similar problems. With MS you can have periods of stabilisation where as with myelomalacia you cannot the symptoms are permanent. Therefore this drug should be prescribed to patients who suffer with lesions on the cord or brain. But well done Wales some common sense at last !!!
I would have to agree with you there independantvoter. I myself am not an ms sufferer but I have Lupus and suffer severe muscle spasms because of severe spinal arthritis. I am also in pain and it never goes away and I don't think I'll be eligible for this drug but maybe, once the doors are opened for ms sufferers, it will open for other patients too.
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: Well at least now ms sufferers can use this in the knowledge that they wont be done for possession. Its long been known that cannabis helps ease muscle spasms and pain in ms patients and also works well for arthritis pain. After waiting 8 months for an injection to help my pain on the nhs, I can understand why people would want to try it. There's nothing worse than constant pain and muscle spasms.[/p][/quote]I agree with your comments although there are many other medical conditions that can cause muscle spasms too such as cervical spondylotic myelopathy and cervical myelomalacia. There is no known cure for myelomalacia and this new cannabis drug would certainly slow down the signals from the brain to the spinal cord resulting in less muscle spasms for patients. Why is this medication just for MS sufferers that's not fair to patients with similar problems. With MS you can have periods of stabilisation where as with myelomalacia you cannot the symptoms are permanent. Therefore this drug should be prescribed to patients who suffer with lesions on the cord or brain. But well done Wales some common sense at last !!![/p][/quote]I would have to agree with you there independantvoter. I myself am not an ms sufferer but I have Lupus and suffer severe muscle spasms because of severe spinal arthritis. I am also in pain and it never goes away and I don't think I'll be eligible for this drug but maybe, once the doors are opened for ms sufferers, it will open for other patients too. endthelies
  • Score: 1

5:52pm Sat 16 Aug 14

endthelies says...

MikeO4O8 wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Well at least now ms sufferers can use this in the knowledge that they wont be done for possession. Its long been known that cannabis helps ease muscle spasms and pain in ms patients and also works well for arthritis pain. After waiting 8 months for an injection to help my pain on the nhs, I can understand why people would want to try it. There's nothing worse than constant pain and muscle spasms.
''Sativex is an oral spray''

this spray will be made legal, not having actual cannabis on you and smoking spliffs. if they are caught with actual cannabis or spliffs then i am sure they will still be arrested/street caution for it.
That's what I said Mike. 'at least now they won't be done for possession'. People have been using this drug to ease pain but ran the risk of being prosecuted. now, they don't have to. They can use it legally.
[quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: Well at least now ms sufferers can use this in the knowledge that they wont be done for possession. Its long been known that cannabis helps ease muscle spasms and pain in ms patients and also works well for arthritis pain. After waiting 8 months for an injection to help my pain on the nhs, I can understand why people would want to try it. There's nothing worse than constant pain and muscle spasms.[/p][/quote]''Sativex is an oral spray'' this spray will be made legal, not having actual cannabis on you and smoking spliffs. if they are caught with actual cannabis or spliffs then i am sure they will still be arrested/street caution for it.[/p][/quote]That's what I said Mike. 'at least now they won't be done for possession'. People have been using this drug to ease pain but ran the risk of being prosecuted. now, they don't have to. They can use it legally. endthelies
  • Score: 0

5:57pm Sat 16 Aug 14

endthelies says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham

Stoners want to be stoned
Go away. Cannabis is well known to ease pain and muscle spasms. I have always wondered why it couldn't be provided on prescription. After all, I have to take Diazapam when in spasm. A very potent drug much sought after by druggies. Any drug in the wrong hands can lead to abuse, even Ibuprofen which you can buy for 70p in Home Bargains. Not everyone who uses it is an addict though and its the same with this drug. Alcohol is the largest abused drug in the uk and yet its sold in every town throughout the country, usually in several outlets, but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Your analysis makes no sense and is, quite frankly, uninformed and offensive.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel[/p][/quote]Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham Stoners want to be stoned[/p][/quote]Go away. Cannabis is well known to ease pain and muscle spasms. I have always wondered why it couldn't be provided on prescription. After all, I have to take Diazapam when in spasm. A very potent drug much sought after by druggies. Any drug in the wrong hands can lead to abuse, even Ibuprofen which you can buy for 70p in Home Bargains. Not everyone who uses it is an addict though and its the same with this drug. Alcohol is the largest abused drug in the uk and yet its sold in every town throughout the country, usually in several outlets, but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Your analysis makes no sense and is, quite frankly, uninformed and offensive. endthelies
  • Score: -3

11:02pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

endthelies wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham

Stoners want to be stoned
Go away. Cannabis is well known to ease pain and muscle spasms. I have always wondered why it couldn't be provided on prescription. After all, I have to take Diazapam when in spasm. A very potent drug much sought after by druggies. Any drug in the wrong hands can lead to abuse, even Ibuprofen which you can buy for 70p in Home Bargains. Not everyone who uses it is an addict though and its the same with this drug. Alcohol is the largest abused drug in the uk and yet its sold in every town throughout the country, usually in several outlets, but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Your analysis makes no sense and is, quite frankly, uninformed and offensive.
My comment was in response to Sheep'n'wellies remark regarding making “all cannabis legal”, because that is what all these cannabis debates boil down to, this isn’t about Clark French and approximately 130,000 other MS suffers it’s about 3 million weed smokers wanting to get stoned without fear of the law, and see medicinal cannabis as a way of achieving this.
I most certainly won’t go away, I have as much right to express my views as you have, and I will continue to do so.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel[/p][/quote]Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham Stoners want to be stoned[/p][/quote]Go away. Cannabis is well known to ease pain and muscle spasms. I have always wondered why it couldn't be provided on prescription. After all, I have to take Diazapam when in spasm. A very potent drug much sought after by druggies. Any drug in the wrong hands can lead to abuse, even Ibuprofen which you can buy for 70p in Home Bargains. Not everyone who uses it is an addict though and its the same with this drug. Alcohol is the largest abused drug in the uk and yet its sold in every town throughout the country, usually in several outlets, but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Your analysis makes no sense and is, quite frankly, uninformed and offensive.[/p][/quote]My comment was in response to Sheep'n'wellies remark regarding making “all cannabis legal”, because that is what all these cannabis debates boil down to, this isn’t about Clark French and approximately 130,000 other MS suffers it’s about 3 million weed smokers wanting to get stoned without fear of the law, and see medicinal cannabis as a way of achieving this. I most certainly won’t go away, I have as much right to express my views as you have, and I will continue to do so. Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

1:06am Sun 17 Aug 14

Sheep'n'wellies says...

Dr Martin wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham

Stoners want to be stoned
Go away. Cannabis is well known to ease pain and muscle spasms. I have always wondered why it couldn't be provided on prescription. After all, I have to take Diazapam when in spasm. A very potent drug much sought after by druggies. Any drug in the wrong hands can lead to abuse, even Ibuprofen which you can buy for 70p in Home Bargains. Not everyone who uses it is an addict though and its the same with this drug. Alcohol is the largest abused drug in the uk and yet its sold in every town throughout the country, usually in several outlets, but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Your analysis makes no sense and is, quite frankly, uninformed and offensive.
My comment was in response to Sheep'n'wellies remark regarding making “all cannabis legal”, because that is what all these cannabis debates boil down to, this isn’t about Clark French and approximately 130,000 other MS suffers it’s about 3 million weed smokers wanting to get stoned without fear of the law, and see medicinal cannabis as a way of achieving this.
I most certainly won’t go away, I have as much right to express my views as you have, and I will continue to do so.
Please tell me how many recorded fatalities from smoking dope coz it's such a bad drug,yet the government allow the sale of tobacco and alchol which is more highly addictive and cause so many deaths but that's fine coz it boosts the coffers. Plz answer!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel[/p][/quote]Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham Stoners want to be stoned[/p][/quote]Go away. Cannabis is well known to ease pain and muscle spasms. I have always wondered why it couldn't be provided on prescription. After all, I have to take Diazapam when in spasm. A very potent drug much sought after by druggies. Any drug in the wrong hands can lead to abuse, even Ibuprofen which you can buy for 70p in Home Bargains. Not everyone who uses it is an addict though and its the same with this drug. Alcohol is the largest abused drug in the uk and yet its sold in every town throughout the country, usually in several outlets, but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Your analysis makes no sense and is, quite frankly, uninformed and offensive.[/p][/quote]My comment was in response to Sheep'n'wellies remark regarding making “all cannabis legal”, because that is what all these cannabis debates boil down to, this isn’t about Clark French and approximately 130,000 other MS suffers it’s about 3 million weed smokers wanting to get stoned without fear of the law, and see medicinal cannabis as a way of achieving this. I most certainly won’t go away, I have as much right to express my views as you have, and I will continue to do so.[/p][/quote]Please tell me how many recorded fatalities from smoking dope coz it's such a bad drug,yet the government allow the sale of tobacco and alchol which is more highly addictive and cause so many deaths but that's fine coz it boosts the coffers. Plz answer!!!!!!! Sheep'n'wellies
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1:14am Sun 17 Aug 14

Sheep'n'wellies says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham

Stoners want to be stoned
You need to get in the real world,yes I smoke it but only after a serious accident in work that left me in severe pain. I'd rather put the money back into the country (wales) than some little kid on the street corner. And yes I am working again before u ask
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel[/p][/quote]Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham Stoners want to be stoned[/p][/quote]You need to get in the real world,yes I smoke it but only after a serious accident in work that left me in severe pain. I'd rather put the money back into the country (wales) than some little kid on the street corner. And yes I am working again before u ask Sheep'n'wellies
  • Score: -1

2:48am Sun 17 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham

Stoners want to be stoned
Go away. Cannabis is well known to ease pain and muscle spasms. I have always wondered why it couldn't be provided on prescription. After all, I have to take Diazapam when in spasm. A very potent drug much sought after by druggies. Any drug in the wrong hands can lead to abuse, even Ibuprofen which you can buy for 70p in Home Bargains. Not everyone who uses it is an addict though and its the same with this drug. Alcohol is the largest abused drug in the uk and yet its sold in every town throughout the country, usually in several outlets, but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Your analysis makes no sense and is, quite frankly, uninformed and offensive.
My comment was in response to Sheep'n'wellies remark regarding making “all cannabis legal”, because that is what all these cannabis debates boil down to, this isn’t about Clark French and approximately 130,000 other MS suffers it’s about 3 million weed smokers wanting to get stoned without fear of the law, and see medicinal cannabis as a way of achieving this.
I most certainly won’t go away, I have as much right to express my views as you have, and I will continue to do so.
Please tell me how many recorded fatalities from smoking dope coz it's such a bad drug,yet the government allow the sale of tobacco and alchol which is more highly addictive and cause so many deaths but that's fine coz it boosts the coffers. Plz answer!!!!!!!
Oh don’t worry about me answering; I very rarely let a “pro pot” person have the last say.
The pro dope lobby seem to follow the mantra that no one has ever died by smoking cannabis; I regard this as a lie, but since you asked me the question the answer is 282 (In U.K 1993-2012)
http://www.ons.gov.u
k/ons/publications/r
e-reference-tables.h
tml?edition=tcm%3A77
-314585
Table 6a (you need Microsoft Excel to view it)
I will not argue against the significant harms that alcohol and tobacco cause but whilst they are legal and freely available why do you feel we should allow another substance which has generally has a negative impact on people mental health (sometimes severe) to be sold to a wider audience?
[quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel[/p][/quote]Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham Stoners want to be stoned[/p][/quote]Go away. Cannabis is well known to ease pain and muscle spasms. I have always wondered why it couldn't be provided on prescription. After all, I have to take Diazapam when in spasm. A very potent drug much sought after by druggies. Any drug in the wrong hands can lead to abuse, even Ibuprofen which you can buy for 70p in Home Bargains. Not everyone who uses it is an addict though and its the same with this drug. Alcohol is the largest abused drug in the uk and yet its sold in every town throughout the country, usually in several outlets, but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Your analysis makes no sense and is, quite frankly, uninformed and offensive.[/p][/quote]My comment was in response to Sheep'n'wellies remark regarding making “all cannabis legal”, because that is what all these cannabis debates boil down to, this isn’t about Clark French and approximately 130,000 other MS suffers it’s about 3 million weed smokers wanting to get stoned without fear of the law, and see medicinal cannabis as a way of achieving this. I most certainly won’t go away, I have as much right to express my views as you have, and I will continue to do so.[/p][/quote]Please tell me how many recorded fatalities from smoking dope coz it's such a bad drug,yet the government allow the sale of tobacco and alchol which is more highly addictive and cause so many deaths but that's fine coz it boosts the coffers. Plz answer!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Oh don’t worry about me answering; I very rarely let a “pro pot” person have the last say. The pro dope lobby seem to follow the mantra that no one has ever died by smoking cannabis; I regard this as a lie, but since you asked me the question the answer is 282 (In U.K 1993-2012) http://www.ons.gov.u k/ons/publications/r e-reference-tables.h tml?edition=tcm%3A77 -314585 Table 6a (you need Microsoft Excel to view it) I will not argue against the significant harms that alcohol and tobacco cause but whilst they are legal and freely available why do you feel we should allow another substance which has generally has a negative impact on people mental health (sometimes severe) to be sold to a wider audience? Dr Martin
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3:30am Sun 17 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham

Stoners want to be stoned
You need to get in the real world,yes I smoke it but only after a serious accident in work that left me in severe pain. I'd rather put the money back into the country (wales) than some little kid on the street corner. And yes I am working again before u ask
Well I am in the real world; I work in Psychiatry so I see what cannabis can do to people, the poor souls who suffer from Schizophrenia that have to wear headphones to drown out the voices, I know the pro dope lobby get very hung up on whether cannabis use “causes” schizophrenia or not but for now I will settle for the fact that cannabis has a negative impact on a person’s mental health.
The main story is about the Sativex being made available via prescription (for the record I am all for Sativex being made available throughout the UK and not just Wales) unfortunately you jumped in, first comment and wanted cannabis made legal for all. As you can guess I don’t go much on the tax revenues raised by cannabis, as the pro pot lobby keep telling me no matter how hard you try you won’t stop people growing their own or the dealers who I believe will be still in business.
[quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel[/p][/quote]Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham Stoners want to be stoned[/p][/quote]You need to get in the real world,yes I smoke it but only after a serious accident in work that left me in severe pain. I'd rather put the money back into the country (wales) than some little kid on the street corner. And yes I am working again before u ask[/p][/quote]Well I am in the real world; I work in Psychiatry so I see what cannabis can do to people, the poor souls who suffer from Schizophrenia that have to wear headphones to drown out the voices, I know the pro dope lobby get very hung up on whether cannabis use “causes” schizophrenia or not but for now I will settle for the fact that cannabis has a negative impact on a person’s mental health. The main story is about the Sativex being made available via prescription (for the record I am all for Sativex being made available throughout the UK and not just Wales) unfortunately you jumped in, first comment and wanted cannabis made legal for all. As you can guess I don’t go much on the tax revenues raised by cannabis, as the pro pot lobby keep telling me no matter how hard you try you won’t stop people growing their own or the dealers who I believe will be still in business. Dr Martin
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7:53am Sun 17 Aug 14

mikewelsh says...

Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham

Stoners want to be stoned
You need to get in the real world,yes I smoke it but only after a serious accident in work that left me in severe pain. I'd rather put the money back into the country (wales) than some little kid on the street corner. And yes I am working again before u ask
Sheep.n.wellies wrote.

You need to get in the real world,yes I smoke it but only after a serious accident in work that left me in severe pain. I'd rather put the money back into the country (wales) than some little kid on the street corner. And yes I am working again before u ask

I ask. Does your boss know your a drug smoker?
How do you get to work?
i hope you are not driving under the influence.
[quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel[/p][/quote]Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham Stoners want to be stoned[/p][/quote]You need to get in the real world,yes I smoke it but only after a serious accident in work that left me in severe pain. I'd rather put the money back into the country (wales) than some little kid on the street corner. And yes I am working again before u ask[/p][/quote]Sheep.n.wellies wrote. You need to get in the real world,yes I smoke it but only after a serious accident in work that left me in severe pain. I'd rather put the money back into the country (wales) than some little kid on the street corner. And yes I am working again before u ask I ask. Does your boss know your a drug smoker? How do you get to work? i hope you are not driving under the influence. mikewelsh
  • Score: 2

9:59am Sun 17 Aug 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

"Please tell me how many recorded fatalities from smoking dope coz it's such a bad drug,yet the government allow the sale of tobacco and alchol which is more highly addictive and cause so many deaths but that's fine coz it boosts the coffers. Plz answer"
Dr Martin's point is well made. The question is-does cannabis, perhaps associated with other factors, cause psychosis or do people who suffer psychotic episodes self-medicate with cannabis? Chances are we'll never untangle the two. But, given that having psychotic episodes is most likely as horrible as dying (though possibly less final) do you really want to take a chance on it?
"Please tell me how many recorded fatalities from smoking dope coz it's such a bad drug,yet the government allow the sale of tobacco and alchol which is more highly addictive and cause so many deaths but that's fine coz it boosts the coffers. Plz answer" Dr Martin's point is well made. The question is-does cannabis, perhaps associated with other factors, cause psychosis or do people who suffer psychotic episodes self-medicate with cannabis? Chances are we'll never untangle the two. But, given that having psychotic episodes is most likely as horrible as dying (though possibly less final) do you really want to take a chance on it? Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: 3

12:28pm Sun 17 Aug 14

endthelies says...

Dr Martin wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham

Stoners want to be stoned
Go away. Cannabis is well known to ease pain and muscle spasms. I have always wondered why it couldn't be provided on prescription. After all, I have to take Diazapam when in spasm. A very potent drug much sought after by druggies. Any drug in the wrong hands can lead to abuse, even Ibuprofen which you can buy for 70p in Home Bargains. Not everyone who uses it is an addict though and its the same with this drug. Alcohol is the largest abused drug in the uk and yet its sold in every town throughout the country, usually in several outlets, but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Your analysis makes no sense and is, quite frankly, uninformed and offensive.
My comment was in response to Sheep'n'wellies remark regarding making “all cannabis legal”, because that is what all these cannabis debates boil down to, this isn’t about Clark French and approximately 130,000 other MS suffers it’s about 3 million weed smokers wanting to get stoned without fear of the law, and see medicinal cannabis as a way of achieving this.
I most certainly won’t go away, I have as much right to express my views as you have, and I will continue to do so.
I must say I was a bit rude when I said go away to you. Sorry bad day, but that's what being in pain does for you. if you're going to make comments such as "cannabis is the only thing that cures my pain is just a sham, Stoners only want to be stoned, " on an issue that is totally about a prescription drug, just like any other prescription drug, then I take offence. but you are right, you do have a right to your say as much as anyone. As for cannabis being made legal, this cannabis IS legal, so your argument does not really stand up here.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel[/p][/quote]Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham Stoners want to be stoned[/p][/quote]Go away. Cannabis is well known to ease pain and muscle spasms. I have always wondered why it couldn't be provided on prescription. After all, I have to take Diazapam when in spasm. A very potent drug much sought after by druggies. Any drug in the wrong hands can lead to abuse, even Ibuprofen which you can buy for 70p in Home Bargains. Not everyone who uses it is an addict though and its the same with this drug. Alcohol is the largest abused drug in the uk and yet its sold in every town throughout the country, usually in several outlets, but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Your analysis makes no sense and is, quite frankly, uninformed and offensive.[/p][/quote]My comment was in response to Sheep'n'wellies remark regarding making “all cannabis legal”, because that is what all these cannabis debates boil down to, this isn’t about Clark French and approximately 130,000 other MS suffers it’s about 3 million weed smokers wanting to get stoned without fear of the law, and see medicinal cannabis as a way of achieving this. I most certainly won’t go away, I have as much right to express my views as you have, and I will continue to do so.[/p][/quote]I must say I was a bit rude when I said go away to you. Sorry bad day, but that's what being in pain does for you. if you're going to make comments such as "cannabis is the only thing that cures my pain is just a sham, Stoners only want to be stoned, " on an issue that is totally about a prescription drug, just like any other prescription drug, then I take offence. but you are right, you do have a right to your say as much as anyone. As for cannabis being made legal, this cannabis IS legal, so your argument does not really stand up here. endthelies
  • Score: 0

6:56pm Sun 17 Aug 14

-trigg- says...

This is to wean people away from the home-grown muck and dispense a safe alternative. It is for people with a medical condition, not stoned chavs without a brain cell, and other idiots and criminals to profit by. Under clinical and controlled conditions and safety geddit ? (Or maybe already too far gone !).
---------------
If you decriminalise, then the people growing it will by definition no longer be criminals.

Stupidity clearly affects people regardless of whether they are in favour of cannabis use or not.
This is to wean people away from the home-grown muck and dispense a safe alternative. It is for people with a medical condition, not stoned chavs without a brain cell, and other idiots and criminals to profit by. Under clinical and controlled conditions and safety geddit ? (Or maybe already too far gone !). --------------- If you decriminalise, then the people growing it will by definition no longer be criminals. Stupidity clearly affects people regardless of whether they are in favour of cannabis use or not. -trigg-
  • Score: -1

12:06am Mon 18 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

@endthelies

As I said in my previous post my comment was aimed at Sheep’n’wellies, to him/her (or any other person who wants to make cannabis available to all) I stand by my comments which you take offence to.
Sativex is legal I never said it wasn't, but it’s not “this” cannabis that the pro dope lobby really wants
@endthelies As I said in my previous post my comment was aimed at Sheep’n’wellies, to him/her (or any other person who wants to make cannabis available to all) I stand by my comments which you take offence to. Sativex is legal I never said it wasn't, but it’s not “this” cannabis that the pro dope lobby really wants Dr Martin
  • Score: 1

1:10am Mon 18 Aug 14

Howie' says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Sheep'n'wellies wrote:
Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel
Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham

Stoners want to be stoned
Go away. Cannabis is well known to ease pain and muscle spasms. I have always wondered why it couldn't be provided on prescription. After all, I have to take Diazapam when in spasm. A very potent drug much sought after by druggies. Any drug in the wrong hands can lead to abuse, even Ibuprofen which you can buy for 70p in Home Bargains. Not everyone who uses it is an addict though and its the same with this drug. Alcohol is the largest abused drug in the uk and yet its sold in every town throughout the country, usually in several outlets, but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Your analysis makes no sense and is, quite frankly, uninformed and offensive.
My comment was in response to Sheep'n'wellies remark regarding making “all cannabis legal”, because that is what all these cannabis debates boil down to, this isn’t about Clark French and approximately 130,000 other MS suffers it’s about 3 million weed smokers wanting to get stoned without fear of the law, and see medicinal cannabis as a way of achieving this.
I most certainly won’t go away, I have as much right to express my views as you have, and I will continue to do so.
Please tell me how many recorded fatalities from smoking dope coz it's such a bad drug,yet the government allow the sale of tobacco and alchol which is more highly addictive and cause so many deaths but that's fine coz it boosts the coffers. Plz answer!!!!!!!
Oh don’t worry about me answering; I very rarely let a “pro pot” person have the last say.
The pro dope lobby seem to follow the mantra that no one has ever died by smoking cannabis; I regard this as a lie, but since you asked me the question the answer is 282 (In U.K 1993-2012)
http://www.ons.gov.u

k/ons/publications/r

e-reference-tables.h

tml?edition=tcm%3A77

-314585
Table 6a (you need Microsoft Excel to view it)
I will not argue against the significant harms that alcohol and tobacco cause but whilst they are legal and freely available why do you feel we should allow another substance which has generally has a negative impact on people mental health (sometimes severe) to be sold to a wider audience?
The link that you have supplied Doc refers to where these substances were mentioned on the Death Certificate, not as the cause of death e.g dope found in the system of somebody killed in a car crash. A bit of a spurious link in this context.

'why do you feel we should allow another substance which has generally had a negative impact on peoples mental health (sometimes severe) to be sold to a wider audience'?

Simple, because it is freely available now to anyone who wants it. If all drugs were legal then the quality and purity would be checked prior to it reaching the point of sale, E.g users would know what they were getting.



Almost six million people die from tobacco use each year and an estimated 7.5 million by 2020 and 2.5 million from harmful use of alcohol each year worldwide, the World Health Organization (WHO) reports.

Drug abuse kills about 200,000 people worldwide each year, according to a new United Nations (UN) report.

You do the maths, Doc.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheep'n'wellies[/bold] wrote: Let's just open coffee shops and make all cannabis legal would bring millions if not billions into the economy and tourism would go up aswel[/p][/quote]Just goes to show, all the "cannabis is the only thing that cures my incurable pain" is just a sham Stoners want to be stoned[/p][/quote]Go away. Cannabis is well known to ease pain and muscle spasms. I have always wondered why it couldn't be provided on prescription. After all, I have to take Diazapam when in spasm. A very potent drug much sought after by druggies. Any drug in the wrong hands can lead to abuse, even Ibuprofen which you can buy for 70p in Home Bargains. Not everyone who uses it is an addict though and its the same with this drug. Alcohol is the largest abused drug in the uk and yet its sold in every town throughout the country, usually in several outlets, but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Your analysis makes no sense and is, quite frankly, uninformed and offensive.[/p][/quote]My comment was in response to Sheep'n'wellies remark regarding making “all cannabis legal”, because that is what all these cannabis debates boil down to, this isn’t about Clark French and approximately 130,000 other MS suffers it’s about 3 million weed smokers wanting to get stoned without fear of the law, and see medicinal cannabis as a way of achieving this. I most certainly won’t go away, I have as much right to express my views as you have, and I will continue to do so.[/p][/quote]Please tell me how many recorded fatalities from smoking dope coz it's such a bad drug,yet the government allow the sale of tobacco and alchol which is more highly addictive and cause so many deaths but that's fine coz it boosts the coffers. Plz answer!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Oh don’t worry about me answering; I very rarely let a “pro pot” person have the last say. The pro dope lobby seem to follow the mantra that no one has ever died by smoking cannabis; I regard this as a lie, but since you asked me the question the answer is 282 (In U.K 1993-2012) http://www.ons.gov.u k/ons/publications/r e-reference-tables.h tml?edition=tcm%3A77 -314585 Table 6a (you need Microsoft Excel to view it) I will not argue against the significant harms that alcohol and tobacco cause but whilst they are legal and freely available why do you feel we should allow another substance which has generally has a negative impact on people mental health (sometimes severe) to be sold to a wider audience?[/p][/quote]The link that you have supplied Doc refers to where these substances were mentioned on the Death Certificate, not as the cause of death e.g dope found in the system of somebody killed in a car crash. A bit of a spurious link in this context. 'why do you feel we should allow another substance which has generally had a negative impact on peoples mental health (sometimes severe) to be sold to a wider audience'? Simple, because it is freely available now to anyone who wants it. If all drugs were legal then the quality and purity would be checked prior to it reaching the point of sale, E.g users would know what they were getting. Almost six million people die from tobacco use each year and an estimated 7.5 million by 2020 and 2.5 million from harmful use of alcohol each year worldwide, the World Health Organization (WHO) reports. Drug abuse kills about 200,000 people worldwide each year, according to a new United Nations (UN) report. You do the maths, Doc. Howie'
  • Score: -3

2:12am Mon 18 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012)
My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea
I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain?
I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?
I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012) My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain? I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this? Dr Martin
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7:35am Mon 18 Aug 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

Dr Martin wrote:
I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012)
My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea
I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain?
I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?
Yep I had a really nasty dangerous pint of Old Speckled Hen last night sitting outside my local drug den-er-pub. Aren't you going a teensy bit overboard in your pursuit of your pseudonym's persona?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012) My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain? I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?[/p][/quote]Yep I had a really nasty dangerous pint of Old Speckled Hen last night sitting outside my local drug den-er-pub. Aren't you going a teensy bit overboard in your pursuit of your pseudonym's persona? Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: 3

8:32am Mon 18 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

No drug should be freely available, soft or otherwise. Only dispensed under controlled conditions, by qualified medics. Why some here want to add to the UK's drug-ridden society defies rationale' or why they want to justify it. If alcohol or Smoking needs similar approaches then so be it. More people are dying because of it all. We need the death sentence for drug barons, and long jail sentences for pushers as well as enforced treatment for addicts. The area here who go with "What happens if I push this .." approaches its really silly. You only get one life.
No drug should be freely available, soft or otherwise. Only dispensed under controlled conditions, by qualified medics. Why some here want to add to the UK's drug-ridden society defies rationale' or why they want to justify it. If alcohol or Smoking needs similar approaches then so be it. More people are dying because of it all. We need the death sentence for drug barons, and long jail sentences for pushers as well as enforced treatment for addicts. The area here who go with "What happens if I push this .." approaches its really silly. You only get one life. Mervyn James
  • Score: 3

4:53pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Independentvoter says...

MikeO4O8 wrote:
Independentvoter wrote:
If my GP were to prescribe this drug what measures are there in place for safe driving ???
the measure is '' you don't drive''

if you have mussel spasms i didn't think you was able to drive anyway encase you spasm while driving and causing a crash.
Obviously you have no medical knowledge of muscle spasms in patients. If you did then you would know that they are allowed to drive as a muscle spasms does not happen whilst driving. I am not here to give a lecture on the symptomatology of spasmodic patients but I would like to know the law and rules on permitted driving under the influence of Sativex. There are laws that govern prescribed drugs such as the use of dihydrocodine but they have not been made clear at all.
[quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: If my GP were to prescribe this drug what measures are there in place for safe driving ???[/p][/quote]the measure is '' you don't drive'' if you have mussel spasms i didn't think you was able to drive anyway encase you spasm while driving and causing a crash.[/p][/quote]Obviously you have no medical knowledge of muscle spasms in patients. If you did then you would know that they are allowed to drive as a muscle spasms does not happen whilst driving. I am not here to give a lecture on the symptomatology of spasmodic patients but I would like to know the law and rules on permitted driving under the influence of Sativex. There are laws that govern prescribed drugs such as the use of dihydrocodine but they have not been made clear at all. Independentvoter
  • Score: 0

6:33pm Mon 18 Aug 14

endthelies says...

Can I just say I have never used cannabis. Not for medication or recreation. My first thought though, when I read about this new drug that will be available for m.s sufferers was, thank God someone's seen sense and put it on prescription. Many people with severe pain will benefit from this and that has to be a plus. Legalising Cannabis is something else but, what I tried to state is that just because something is legal does not mean it cannot be abused, just a something that is illegal is abused. That all depends on the user of the product. I just think that Cannabis, and I'll admit my knowledge of the drug is small, is less harmful than Alcohol, which causes so many medical problems, and mental health problems, for so many people. My town has a lot more alcoholics, of all ages, than drug addicts. If you take it in that context, does it make sense that Alcohol is legal but Cannabis is not?
Can I just say I have never used cannabis. Not for medication or recreation. My first thought though, when I read about this new drug that will be available for m.s sufferers was, thank God someone's seen sense and put it on prescription. Many people with severe pain will benefit from this and that has to be a plus. Legalising Cannabis is something else but, what I tried to state is that just because something is legal does not mean it cannot be abused, just a something that is illegal is abused. That all depends on the user of the product. I just think that Cannabis, and I'll admit my knowledge of the drug is small, is less harmful than Alcohol, which causes so many medical problems, and mental health problems, for so many people. My town has a lot more alcoholics, of all ages, than drug addicts. If you take it in that context, does it make sense that Alcohol is legal but Cannabis is not? endthelies
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6:39pm Mon 18 Aug 14

endthelies says...

Independentvoter wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
Independentvoter wrote:
If my GP were to prescribe this drug what measures are there in place for safe driving ???
the measure is '' you don't drive''

if you have mussel spasms i didn't think you was able to drive anyway encase you spasm while driving and causing a crash.
Obviously you have no medical knowledge of muscle spasms in patients. If you did then you would know that they are allowed to drive as a muscle spasms does not happen whilst driving. I am not here to give a lecture on the symptomatology of spasmodic patients but I would like to know the law and rules on permitted driving under the influence of Sativex. There are laws that govern prescribed drugs such as the use of dihydrocodine but they have not been made clear at all.
Looked up Savitex on line and it states you must not drive or use machinery for the first few weeks of use and until you are on a regular daily dose.
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: If my GP were to prescribe this drug what measures are there in place for safe driving ???[/p][/quote]the measure is '' you don't drive'' if you have mussel spasms i didn't think you was able to drive anyway encase you spasm while driving and causing a crash.[/p][/quote]Obviously you have no medical knowledge of muscle spasms in patients. If you did then you would know that they are allowed to drive as a muscle spasms does not happen whilst driving. I am not here to give a lecture on the symptomatology of spasmodic patients but I would like to know the law and rules on permitted driving under the influence of Sativex. There are laws that govern prescribed drugs such as the use of dihydrocodine but they have not been made clear at all.[/p][/quote]Looked up Savitex on line and it states you must not drive or use machinery for the first few weeks of use and until you are on a regular daily dose. endthelies
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11:02am Tue 19 Aug 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Mervyn James wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
And a major drug company gets to make a fortune... instead of taking the sensible option of decriminalising and allowing people to grow their own.
This is to wean people away from the home-grown muck and dispense a safe alternative. It is for people with a medical condition, not stoned chavs without a brain cell, and other idiots and criminals to profit by. Under clinical and controlled conditions and safety geddit ? (Or maybe already too far gone !).
"the home grown muck" lol.

Sativex is derived from this home grown muck (or be it lab grown) and contains the very same cannabinoids as the raw product. To suggest that sativex is a safer alternative only highlights your ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject.

"home grown muck" can be produced organically with no chemicals or additives unlike the majority of alcoholic beverages.

"the chavs without a brain cell" will cause a lot more problems on a pack of special brew than after a few joints.

The only reason it is illegal is because of the threat hemp posed to numerous other industries many years ago.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: And a major drug company gets to make a fortune... instead of taking the sensible option of decriminalising and allowing people to grow their own.[/p][/quote]This is to wean people away from the home-grown muck and dispense a safe alternative. It is for people with a medical condition, not stoned chavs without a brain cell, and other idiots and criminals to profit by. Under clinical and controlled conditions and safety geddit ? (Or maybe already too far gone !).[/p][/quote]"the home grown muck" lol. Sativex is derived from this home grown muck (or be it lab grown) and contains the very same cannabinoids as the raw product. To suggest that sativex is a safer alternative only highlights your ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject. "home grown muck" can be produced organically with no chemicals or additives unlike the majority of alcoholic beverages. "the chavs without a brain cell" will cause a lot more problems on a pack of special brew than after a few joints. The only reason it is illegal is because of the threat hemp posed to numerous other industries many years ago. Good Job No Kids
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5:55pm Tue 19 Aug 14

endthelies says...

And hemp is fantastic for eczema. Just thought I'd add that.
And hemp is fantastic for eczema. Just thought I'd add that. endthelies
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1:18am Wed 20 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012)
My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea
I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain?
I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?
Yep I had a really nasty dangerous pint of Old Speckled Hen last night sitting outside my local drug den-er-pub. Aren't you going a teensy bit overboard in your pursuit of your pseudonym's persona?
Maybe, but if you are going to discuss harms of cannabis then then you can't ignore the harms of Alcohol
[quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012) My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain? I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?[/p][/quote]Yep I had a really nasty dangerous pint of Old Speckled Hen last night sitting outside my local drug den-er-pub. Aren't you going a teensy bit overboard in your pursuit of your pseudonym's persona?[/p][/quote]Maybe, but if you are going to discuss harms of cannabis then then you can't ignore the harms of Alcohol Dr Martin
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10:13am Wed 20 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Lord Palmerstone wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012)
My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea
I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain?
I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?
Yep I had a really nasty dangerous pint of Old Speckled Hen last night sitting outside my local drug den-er-pub. Aren't you going a teensy bit overboard in your pursuit of your pseudonym's persona?
Maybe, but if you are going to discuss harms of cannabis then then you can't ignore the harms of Alcohol
Yes we can, 2 wrong don't make it right. If there is a valid medical case for use, then it still has to be administered safely and proper medical advice given, as it stands they grow this stuff in a cupboard or shed or buy it off the street and no-one knows what the safety level is.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012) My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain? I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?[/p][/quote]Yep I had a really nasty dangerous pint of Old Speckled Hen last night sitting outside my local drug den-er-pub. Aren't you going a teensy bit overboard in your pursuit of your pseudonym's persona?[/p][/quote]Maybe, but if you are going to discuss harms of cannabis then then you can't ignore the harms of Alcohol[/p][/quote]Yes we can, 2 wrong don't make it right. If there is a valid medical case for use, then it still has to be administered safely and proper medical advice given, as it stands they grow this stuff in a cupboard or shed or buy it off the street and no-one knows what the safety level is. Mervyn James
  • Score: 1

10:27am Thu 21 Aug 14

coalpicker says...

Dr Martin wrote:
I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012)
My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea
I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain?
I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?
What is your view of the post by my old mate Welshmen regarding cannabis oil ?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012) My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain? I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?[/p][/quote]What is your view of the post by my old mate Welshmen regarding cannabis oil ? coalpicker
  • Score: 1

10:27am Thu 21 Aug 14

coalpicker says...

Dr Martin wrote:
I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012)
My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea
I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain?
I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?
What is your view of the post by my old mate Welshmen regarding cannabis oil ?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012) My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain? I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?[/p][/quote]What is your view of the post by my old mate Welshmen regarding cannabis oil ? coalpicker
  • Score: 1

11:30am Thu 21 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

coalpicker wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012)
My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea
I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain?
I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?
What is your view of the post by my old mate Welshmen regarding cannabis oil ?
The first thing that struck me was that Welshmen was obviously frightened to fully detail the source of the story..... "welshmen's agenda is to quote "legalise all drugs" so admitting the story was from the Daily Mail would have been an own goal. As I said in an earlier post the "pro-pot" lobby are all for medicinal cannabis, only because they see it as a way of smoking their righteous weed without fear of law.
I am sure cannabis when broken down into it's parts has many useful properties, that might form part of some useful medicines in the future (perhaps having more than one pharmaceutical company working on cannabis in UK might help develop new medicines quicker)
As for the Oil, who am I to say whether it works or not, but I saw this quote from the cancer research website
"At the moment, there simply isn't enough evidence to prove that cannabinoids – whether natural or synthetic – works to treat cancer in patients, although research is ongoing"
http://scienceblog.c
ancerresearchuk.org/
2012/07/25/cannabis-
cannabinoids-and-can
cer-the-evidence-so-
far/

"There is some evidence that cannabis or cannabis derivatives might help with cancer symptoms and treatment side effects, for example, sickness caused by chemotherapy. However, there have been only a few small studies in this area so we cannot yet say for sure"

http://www.aicr.org.
uk/CannabisandCancer
.stm
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012) My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain? I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?[/p][/quote]What is your view of the post by my old mate Welshmen regarding cannabis oil ?[/p][/quote]The first thing that struck me was that Welshmen was obviously frightened to fully detail the source of the story..... "welshmen's agenda is to quote "legalise all drugs" so admitting the story was from the Daily Mail would have been an own goal. As I said in an earlier post the "pro-pot" lobby are all for medicinal cannabis, only because they see it as a way of smoking their righteous weed without fear of law. I am sure cannabis when broken down into it's parts has many useful properties, that might form part of some useful medicines in the future (perhaps having more than one pharmaceutical company working on cannabis in UK might help develop new medicines quicker) As for the Oil, who am I to say whether it works or not, but I saw this quote from the cancer research website "At the moment, there simply isn't enough evidence to prove that cannabinoids – whether natural or synthetic – works to treat cancer in patients, although research is ongoing" http://scienceblog.c ancerresearchuk.org/ 2012/07/25/cannabis- cannabinoids-and-can cer-the-evidence-so- far/ "There is some evidence that cannabis or cannabis derivatives might help with cancer symptoms and treatment side effects, for example, sickness caused by chemotherapy. However, there have been only a few small studies in this area so we cannot yet say for sure" http://www.aicr.org. uk/CannabisandCancer .stm Dr Martin
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11:30am Thu 21 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

coalpicker wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012)
My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea
I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain?
I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?
What is your view of the post by my old mate Welshmen regarding cannabis oil ?
The first thing that struck me was that Welshmen was obviously frightened to fully detail the source of the story..... "welshmen's agenda is to quote "legalise all drugs" so admitting the story was from the Daily Mail would have been an own goal. As I said in an earlier post the "pro-pot" lobby are all for medicinal cannabis, only because they see it as a way of smoking their righteous weed without fear of law.
I am sure cannabis when broken down into it's parts has many useful properties, that might form part of some useful medicines in the future (perhaps having more than one pharmaceutical company working on cannabis in UK might help develop new medicines quicker)
As for the Oil, who am I to say whether it works or not, but I saw this quote from the cancer research website
"At the moment, there simply isn't enough evidence to prove that cannabinoids – whether natural or synthetic – works to treat cancer in patients, although research is ongoing"
http://scienceblog.c
ancerresearchuk.org/
2012/07/25/cannabis-
cannabinoids-and-can
cer-the-evidence-so-
far/

"There is some evidence that cannabis or cannabis derivatives might help with cancer symptoms and treatment side effects, for example, sickness caused by chemotherapy. However, there have been only a few small studies in this area so we cannot yet say for sure"

http://www.aicr.org.
uk/CannabisandCancer
.stm
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012) My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain? I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?[/p][/quote]What is your view of the post by my old mate Welshmen regarding cannabis oil ?[/p][/quote]The first thing that struck me was that Welshmen was obviously frightened to fully detail the source of the story..... "welshmen's agenda is to quote "legalise all drugs" so admitting the story was from the Daily Mail would have been an own goal. As I said in an earlier post the "pro-pot" lobby are all for medicinal cannabis, only because they see it as a way of smoking their righteous weed without fear of law. I am sure cannabis when broken down into it's parts has many useful properties, that might form part of some useful medicines in the future (perhaps having more than one pharmaceutical company working on cannabis in UK might help develop new medicines quicker) As for the Oil, who am I to say whether it works or not, but I saw this quote from the cancer research website "At the moment, there simply isn't enough evidence to prove that cannabinoids – whether natural or synthetic – works to treat cancer in patients, although research is ongoing" http://scienceblog.c ancerresearchuk.org/ 2012/07/25/cannabis- cannabinoids-and-can cer-the-evidence-so- far/ "There is some evidence that cannabis or cannabis derivatives might help with cancer symptoms and treatment side effects, for example, sickness caused by chemotherapy. However, there have been only a few small studies in this area so we cannot yet say for sure" http://www.aicr.org. uk/CannabisandCancer .stm Dr Martin
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2:57pm Thu 21 Aug 14

welshmen says...

welshmen wrote:
Seems to work: pasted in part from the D/M...

A father battling cancer claims cannabis helped cure him of the disease.
Trevor Smith, 54, was diagnosed with bladder cancer in 2012. Doctors told him that without immediate surgery to remove his bladder, prostate and lymph nodes - followed by chemotherapy - he would be dead within two years.
But worried about his quality of life after such radical surgery, he decided to try alternative therapies - and began taking cannabis oil after learning about it online.

Mr Smith, who works as a manager in the oil and gas industry, said: 'It felt like I was going into the unknown, but the cannabis oil changed things for the better.
'When doctors told me I had gone into remission, I was lost for words, I almost couldn’t believe it.''I feel indebted to the oil and its medical properties, there are alternatives to chemotherapy but people just need to open their eyes to it.'....
Dr Martin
As you can see I am not frightened to say or post from the D/M, it was a news article I thought had some merit, people who suffer from many pain related illness's might get relief, I think we are all aware that their are cure's for every illness we have or contact, right here on our Planet Earth, the trouble is we have to find them, what doesn't help is the pharmaceuticals who see a simple cheap costing drug as not as profitable to them because it's easy available, on the other hand the pharmaceuticals do a great job in research for our cure's.

Your right, I do feel that all drugs should be legalised, the main reason for that is the waste of Police and the cost to try and stop it, the money saved from that and the profit off legalised drugs could build many rehab centers that we don't have now for addicts, these centers will help addicts past and present, we have legal drugs as nicotine and alcohol, those two kill thousands every year never mind related illness's from both...the crimes generated by drugs is costing our people £Billions, I bet anyone reading this has had items stolen to feed a drug habit....
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Seems to work: pasted in part from the D/M... A father battling cancer claims cannabis helped cure him of the disease. Trevor Smith, 54, was diagnosed with bladder cancer in 2012. Doctors told him that without immediate surgery to remove his bladder, prostate and lymph nodes - followed by chemotherapy - he would be dead within two years. But worried about his quality of life after such radical surgery, he decided to try alternative therapies - and began taking cannabis oil after learning about it online. Mr Smith, who works as a manager in the oil and gas industry, said: 'It felt like I was going into the unknown, but the cannabis oil changed things for the better. 'When doctors told me I had gone into remission, I was lost for words, I almost couldn’t believe it.''I feel indebted to the oil and its medical properties, there are alternatives to chemotherapy but people just need to open their eyes to it.'....[/p][/quote]Dr Martin As you can see I am not frightened to say or post from the D/M, it was a news article I thought had some merit, people who suffer from many pain related illness's might get relief, I think we are all aware that their are cure's for every illness we have or contact, right here on our Planet Earth, the trouble is we have to find them, what doesn't help is the pharmaceuticals who see a simple cheap costing drug as not as profitable to them because it's easy available, on the other hand the pharmaceuticals do a great job in research for our cure's. Your right, I do feel that all drugs should be legalised, the main reason for that is the waste of Police and the cost to try and stop it, the money saved from that and the profit off legalised drugs could build many rehab centers that we don't have now for addicts, these centers will help addicts past and present, we have legal drugs as nicotine and alcohol, those two kill thousands every year never mind related illness's from both...the crimes generated by drugs is costing our people £Billions, I bet anyone reading this has had items stolen to feed a drug habit.... welshmen
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3:36pm Thu 21 Aug 14

coalpicker says...

Dr Martin wrote:
coalpicker wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012)
My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea
I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain?
I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?
What is your view of the post by my old mate Welshmen regarding cannabis oil ?
The first thing that struck me was that Welshmen was obviously frightened to fully detail the source of the story..... "welshmen's agenda is to quote "legalise all drugs" so admitting the story was from the Daily Mail would have been an own goal. As I said in an earlier post the "pro-pot" lobby are all for medicinal cannabis, only because they see it as a way of smoking their righteous weed without fear of law.
I am sure cannabis when broken down into it's parts has many useful properties, that might form part of some useful medicines in the future (perhaps having more than one pharmaceutical company working on cannabis in UK might help develop new medicines quicker)
As for the Oil, who am I to say whether it works or not, but I saw this quote from the cancer research website
"At the moment, there simply isn't enough evidence to prove that cannabinoids – whether natural or synthetic – works to treat cancer in patients, although research is ongoing"
http://scienceblog.c

ancerresearchuk.org/

2012/07/25/cannabis-

cannabinoids-and-can

cer-the-evidence-so-

far/

"There is some evidence that cannabis or cannabis derivatives might help with cancer symptoms and treatment side effects, for example, sickness caused by chemotherapy. However, there have been only a few small studies in this area so we cannot yet say for sure"

http://www.aicr.org.

uk/CannabisandCancer

.stm
THANKS DOC I was hoping you would confirm Welshmen post. the thought
of the surgery indicated petrifies me .
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012) My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain? I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?[/p][/quote]What is your view of the post by my old mate Welshmen regarding cannabis oil ?[/p][/quote]The first thing that struck me was that Welshmen was obviously frightened to fully detail the source of the story..... "welshmen's agenda is to quote "legalise all drugs" so admitting the story was from the Daily Mail would have been an own goal. As I said in an earlier post the "pro-pot" lobby are all for medicinal cannabis, only because they see it as a way of smoking their righteous weed without fear of law. I am sure cannabis when broken down into it's parts has many useful properties, that might form part of some useful medicines in the future (perhaps having more than one pharmaceutical company working on cannabis in UK might help develop new medicines quicker) As for the Oil, who am I to say whether it works or not, but I saw this quote from the cancer research website "At the moment, there simply isn't enough evidence to prove that cannabinoids – whether natural or synthetic – works to treat cancer in patients, although research is ongoing" http://scienceblog.c ancerresearchuk.org/ 2012/07/25/cannabis- cannabinoids-and-can cer-the-evidence-so- far/ "There is some evidence that cannabis or cannabis derivatives might help with cancer symptoms and treatment side effects, for example, sickness caused by chemotherapy. However, there have been only a few small studies in this area so we cannot yet say for sure" http://www.aicr.org. uk/CannabisandCancer .stm[/p][/quote]THANKS DOC I was hoping you would confirm Welshmen post. the thought of the surgery indicated petrifies me . coalpicker
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5:12pm Thu 21 Aug 14

endthelies says...

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012)
My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea
I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain?
I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?
Yep I had a really nasty dangerous pint of Old Speckled Hen last night sitting outside my local drug den-er-pub. Aren't you going a teensy bit overboard in your pursuit of your pseudonym's persona?
That old speckled hen you drank was ok for you maybe, but there are thousands who are addicted to the alcohol in the product, causing cirrhosis of the liver , epilepsy, dementia and a whole host of other nasty diseases. There are so many alcoholics now, its practically an epidemic. It costs the NHS millions as well as taking up large amounts of policing. As I stated before. the use of a drug comes down to the user, but you should never underestimate the effect of alcohol addiction.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I have to admit to use that particular table was a bit “spurious” as the table includes cannabis and other substances who can say which one actually caused the death (these are tables regarding “drug related “ deaths), I should have used table 6b which has only one substance in this cannabis is mentioned in 20 deaths (1993-2012) My point was if you legalise cannabis you are most likely allow a psychoactive substance be available to a wider audience which I do not think is a good idea I couldn't argue for alcohol and tobacco both very nasty substances, and unfortunately both are quite legal and available to anyone who wants them, so we agree they are dangerous to a person’s health, not sure how that justifies adding other harmful substances to the list that people can freely obtain? I have done the maths and 8.5 million deaths is far too many deaths, why would you want to add to this?[/p][/quote]Yep I had a really nasty dangerous pint of Old Speckled Hen last night sitting outside my local drug den-er-pub. Aren't you going a teensy bit overboard in your pursuit of your pseudonym's persona?[/p][/quote]That old speckled hen you drank was ok for you maybe, but there are thousands who are addicted to the alcohol in the product, causing cirrhosis of the liver , epilepsy, dementia and a whole host of other nasty diseases. There are so many alcoholics now, its practically an epidemic. It costs the NHS millions as well as taking up large amounts of policing. As I stated before. the use of a drug comes down to the user, but you should never underestimate the effect of alcohol addiction. endthelies
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10:29pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

@welshmen
I personally don’t think the police are wasting their time, I wish they spent more time on catching dealers of all illicit drugs, legalisation all of all drugs will only create more addicts and an even bigger burden on the already stretched mental health services
As for the profit that legalisation will bring is all “pie in the sky” as stoners keep telling me you will not be able to stop people growing their own weed, so why should they want to pay tax on it. Crimes by drug addicts will not cease because of legalisation, if they are going to steal to pay for drugs not currently taxed, how do you think they are going to pay for their drugs with tax added?
@welshmen I personally don’t think the police are wasting their time, I wish they spent more time on catching dealers of all illicit drugs, legalisation all of all drugs will only create more addicts and an even bigger burden on the already stretched mental health services As for the profit that legalisation will bring is all “pie in the sky” as stoners keep telling me you will not be able to stop people growing their own weed, so why should they want to pay tax on it. Crimes by drug addicts will not cease because of legalisation, if they are going to steal to pay for drugs not currently taxed, how do you think they are going to pay for their drugs with tax added? Dr Martin
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