350 at Newport protest march (From South Wales Argus)

When you get extremist political parties gaining "legitimacy"you are bound to get a reaction from folk who feel threatened!Thanks to BBC & their obvious turn to right wing politics Nick Griffen & his gang of facist thugs have been handed the biggest boost in their sad & vile history!Dont forget Sinn Fein were banned from Question Time for years even though they too had bona fide elected councillors & MPs!This whole affair smacks of double-standards by BBC in the name of ratings for a flagging programme!

why dont these people get a job so they dont have time for such trivial protesting

islwyn09
get todays Mail on Sunday, read the article by a gentleman named Andrew Neather about his time in Downing Street,alternatively Google his name.
Conniving two faced politicians isnt really a strong enough description.
Must agree with you about the BBC no other edition of this "flagship program has had such publicity before broadcast or such coverage on other programs such as radio Wales

If every time a 'peace' match takes place (And they were flying the peace flag), results of 50 police guarding against VIOLENCE, what does that say ?

As the protest march had been cancelled why do these people waste time and resources ? Seems the police were more concerned with the poece activists than the anti-Islam group !

Can't help feeling there was no point to be made, as they will now (The anti-Islam people), use more subtle means to oppose. An protest group won't turn up if YOU show more muscle ? You just drive it underground.

Mrs Butler's 'Young and old' were not from Newport, they came bytrain and coach from elsewhere, I saw the police herding the asians into small groups, from the station, and warning shopkeepers to bolt their doors against them, what image is that ?

Mervyn James wrote:
If every time a 'peace' match takes place (And they were flying the peace flag), results of 50 police guarding against VIOLENCE, what does that say ?

As the protest march had been cancelled why do these people waste time and resources ? Seems the police were more concerned with the poece activists than the anti-Islam group !

Can't help feeling there was no point to be made, as they will now (The anti-Islam people), use more subtle means to oppose. An protest group won't turn up if YOU show more muscle ? You just drive it underground.

Mrs Butler's 'Young and old' were not from Newport, they came bytrain and coach from elsewhere, I saw the police herding the asians into small groups, from the station, and warning shopkeepers to bolt their doors against them, what image is that ?

Agree with you Merv what a waste of Police resources and how much did all this cost the Taxpayer..some Peace March when some of the shops in Town where boarding up their Windows!!

golfer wrote:
why dont these people get a job so they dont have time for such trivial protesting

Why do people assume that if people are protesting they don't have jobs? Also if you're unemployed, does that mean you have no right to protest? I've got a job and made the time to get to that demo to show my opposition toward fascism. Also the EDL have been known to cancel a demo and then show up anyway. They were prevented from doing this in Newport by the strong turnout. Well done to all that attended for showing that fascism and racism are not welcome in Newport.

Looks like a bit of a smack in the mouth for the give peace a chance brigade.
They were properly more annoyed that the racist movement did not turn up.
Some of these guys make there living out of these kinds of protests.
Have banner will travel.
So if I stood alone with a banner protect our churches I would have been deemed racist or had my head kicked in.
Even if these racist people didn’t turn up and there was a few 100 average Joes just wanting British things left British they would be accused of being racist nothing wrong with wanting our country especially churches left as they are.
There are far larger places up for sale without the need to purchase a church.

I totally agree jilted john, I have no problem with any foreign people, whatever their colour or religion BUT live as we do and leave our churches alone "When in Rome ...!"

I attended the peace demo and must be honest was very impressed with the way people acted my only gripe is gwent POLICE myself beiong White/British along with African/Carribean man and a skin head were targetted by Gwent Police for the following reasons

1 - I was wearing a aquascutum cap which is designer gear im nothing to do with football hooliginism.
2 - My Black friend was wearing a British flag as a scarf.

We were told by POLICE that a mistaken identity had been made after they filmed us and took photo's of us.

Other than that good turn out well done to the Newport community.

Hey westender hang on I seem to recall the Mail telling us all what a great man Hitler was in the thirties.....

Vicky13 wrote:
I totally agree jilted john, I have no problem with any foreign people, whatever their colour or religion BUT live as we do and leave our churches alone "When in Rome ...!"

Have you even bothered reading up on this? It isn't even a church any more, its an abandoned building. You'd rather a building lie useless and abandoned to make some useless non-point about 'britishness'? Baffling.

Also, to the hilarious moron who claimed the marchers were 'jobless', the march took place on a SATURDAY. Next time you feel the need to make a cliched knee-jerk reaction to a peaceful protest, at least check the time and date of the protest lest you make yourself look like some sort of sub-littlejohn cretin.

The protest in John Frost Square on Saturday was about standing up to religious intolerance and racial bigotry. The people who came out on Saturday to say “NO” to fascism & racism were trade unionists, peace campaigners, church leaders, politicians and local community activists.

I am proud to say that Newport is a multicultural city, which has welcomed people from the four corners of the world. We have peace and harmony in Newport and we want to keep it that way. These EDL fascist thugs are bent on violence and intimidation, and their aim is to divide our communities along racial lines.

The EDL publicly called off their demo in Newport, which has been a tactic they have used at all their protests, but they have always turned up hoping to see fewer numbers from any counter-demo. No matter what they said publicly we can’t trust these idiots to keep their word. It was important that we still went ahead with our protest because the issue of fascism and racism is one that we all have to defend against, the lessons of history have taught us that.

Those people above who make glib comments about the protest should realise that if fascism was ever allowed to rear its ugly head again, that the democratic freedoms that we all enjoy would disappear overnight, we must prepared to defend our democracy and our liberties at any cost.

Excellent Policing - Well Done All !!!
Just watching " A Place in the Sun" (Spain) I didnt know that 1.5 MILLION Brits live and work in Spain.

The problem with Islam and it is different to practically every other religion is it conflicts with he freedom of others and there is no getting away from that fact. There are even conflicts within the religion.

If you look at the world and where there is opression and wars in almost all cases they are muslim countries

socialistparty wrote:
The protest in John Frost Square on Saturday was about standing up to religious intolerance and racial bigotry. The people who came out on Saturday to say “NO” to fascism & racism were trade unionists, peace campaigners, church leaders, politicians and local community activists. I am proud to say that Newport is a multicultural city, which has welcomed people from the four corners of the world. We have peace and harmony in Newport and we want to keep it that way. These EDL fascist thugs are bent on violence and intimidation, and their aim is to divide our communities along racial lines. The EDL publicly called off their demo in Newport, which has been a tactic they have used at all their protests, but they have always turned up hoping to see fewer numbers from any counter-demo. No matter what they said publicly we can’t trust these idiots to keep their word. It was important that we still went ahead with our protest because the issue of fascism and racism is one that we all have to defend against, the lessons of history have taught us that. Those people above who make glib comments about the protest should realise that if fascism was ever allowed to rear its ugly head again, that the democratic freedoms that we all enjoy would disappear overnight, we must prepared to defend our democracy and our liberties at any cost.

Defend us against what ? the anti-Islam group didn't turn up, you and the police were told... you bussed in protest from OUTSIDE Newport, I don't agree with that, this is presenting an image of Newport there isn't. Quite obviously, the police do NOT share your view you are an amiable collection of well-meaning people out to right the wrongs of this world, they felt they had to protect the public against YOU. Peace ?

It amuses me when posters on here talk about "bussing"protesters in!If the WDL demo had taken place I wonder if many of you on here would be complaining about the fact that most of their followers are from outside Newport from places like Llanelli,Camarthen,U
pper Swansea Valley & sadly from a socialist heartland the Rhondda as their more populist name is the "White Wolves"who were involved heavily with old NF & Combat 18 forerunners of BNP!As for reading Hitler's fav newspaper,I wouldnt believe a word in that disgraceful chip wrapper if it told me the sky was blue & sea was green!How can you have any respect for a rag that will print such a scandalous story about a deceased man only hours before his funeral?I fully agree with other postings on here,as demo was on a saturday what difference does it make if protesters were employed or unemployed?What a immature attitude to take,just illustrates the fact that when some folk on here cant make a valid argument they resort to pathetic sneers & jibes!For once I do agree with you Salem on policing costs,why have it policed in 1st place?It wasnt as if there was any great threat to public health & safety,in fact i bet shops in Newport thought Xmas had come early for them seeing so many folk in town on a Saturday!The boarded up shops wasnt due to demo,thats just how run down Newport shopping centre has become!(But thats another story)

golfer wrote:
why dont these people get a job so they dont have time for such trivial protesting

firstly, it was a saturday, golfer. many people do not have to work on a saturday.

As for it being trivial, many of us disagree. No, i am not islamic, but i was demonstrating my position against the rise of far right wing politics in general. people may think that this is irrelevant to them - after all, many of us are Welsh, white and have nothing to fear, right?

may i draw your attention to a poignant and relevant piece from a certain pastor martin niemoller, who addressed the inactivity of german intellectuals following the nazi rise to power.

"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me."

of course this may not be an issue that you are interested in, but many are ...and to us it is far from trivial.

Just watching "Living in The Sun" (Spain again) - Theres a British Pub mostly Karaoke run by Brits on nearly every corner. I didnt know 45% of Brits who live in Spain are also Claiming State Benefits. Im going to start looking up some more statistics - its only a fair balance isnt it ?

Beautifully put socialistparty, couldn't agree more.

Islwyn I have to totally agree with you on your second point (although I think I'd disagree about Nick Griffins appearance on Question Time.)

islwyn09 wrote:
It amuses me when posters on here talk about "bussing"protesters in!If the WDL demo had taken place I wonder if many of you on here would be complaining about the fact that most of their followers are from outside Newport from places like Llanelli,Camarthen,U
pper Swansea Valley & sadly from a socialist heartland the Rhondda as their more populist name is the "White Wolves"who were involved heavily with old NF & Combat 18 forerunners of BNP!As for reading Hitler's fav newspaper,I wouldnt believe a word in that disgraceful chip wrapper if it told me the sky was blue & sea was green!How can you have any respect for a rag that will print such a scandalous story about a deceased man only hours before his funeral?I fully agree with other postings on here,as demo was on a saturday what difference does it make if protesters were employed or unemployed?What a immature attitude to take,just illustrates the fact that when some folk on here cant make a valid argument they resort to pathetic sneers & jibes!For once I do agree with you Salem on policing costs,why have it policed in 1st place?It wasnt as if there was any great threat to public health & safety,in fact i bet shops in Newport thought Xmas had come early for them seeing so many folk in town on a Saturday!The boarded up shops wasnt due to demo,thats just how run down Newport shopping centre has become!(But thats another story)

islwyn, the policing (according to the very jovial officer who offered me a bottle of water - nice touch) was to maintain public order having received intelligence that the EDL had boarded the 10am train from london.

As previous EDL protests have attracted confrontation (from both sides i may add), they were obviously taking no chances.

Jam13 - you're not alone there mate, my partner and I got the moved on too. I think we might have been behind you at the time, actually - were the two of you near the narrowish entrance by the old Monmouthshire building society?

Fair enough Gareth,its a sad reflection on our society that folk cant demonstrate in peace!Username just look @ latest poll figures in wake of his appearance an increase in knee-jerk voting!Im amazed that there seems to be a lot of older generation support for BNP!They seem to want to see a society here in UK similar to that in Germany of 1930s which led to WW2!As they say:No Fool like An Old Fool!Nick Griffen's appearance on programme has saved Question Time & that smug closet right winger Dimbleby's job!

Left or Right fear them Both they are different sides to the same Socialist Coin...I'm fed up to the back teeth of all the Religions,'ists and 'isms its about time we told all these Tin Pot Dictators of all Colours to stick their Idealologies where the Sun dont shine..and leave us all in Peace!!!

Face it people, Bliar,Gormless,Lord Mandelson of Sleaze and the rest of Snake Oil Liebour set out to destroy this Country. They have Systematically Destroyed just about everything that was Good in this Country. The NHS, Police, Armed Forces, Education, The Justice System and of course their last little project The Royal Mail. And now it seems that they started off by bringing in Immigrants probably to put as big a strain on public services and resources as possible as well as for Vote Rigging. After 12 years of Liebour we are left with NOTHING!!
And they want Bliar as EU President, how Stupid can some People really be??

islwyn09 wrote:
Fair enough Gareth,its a sad reflection on our society that folk cant demonstrate in peace!Username just look @ latest poll figures in wake of his appearance an increase in knee-jerk voting!Im amazed that there seems to be a lot of older generation support for BNP!They seem to want to see a society here in UK similar to that in Germany of 1930s which led to WW2!As they say:No Fool like An Old Fool!Nick Griffen's appearance on programme has saved Question Time & that smug closet right winger Dimbleby's job!

Where mainstream politics is going wrong is their strategy of finger-pointing at the BNP as an organisation, instead of addressing and acting upon the underlying issues that turn people to the BNP.

Look, there are many people out there who vote for the BNP who aren’t racist, but they have real issues around poverty, deprivation, general dislike/distrust of mainstream politicians, lack of social mobility, as well as under-resourcing for areas which have seen a major increase in their population of their communities over a very short time.

Sayeeda Warsi nailed it on QT when she said it wasn't a debate about race; it is a debate about resourcing.

Until mainstream political parties understand, and address, these concerns, people will turn to a party that will listen, and will give them an easy answer and scapegoat for all life’s woes.

So by focusing all their energies on a BNP attack instead of listening to voters, mainstream politics is ensuring that more people will turn to the BNP - which has an additional racist and fascist agenda - in order to be heard.

Oh the irony....

Gareth wrote:

islwyn09 wrote:
Fair enough Gareth,its a sad reflection on our society that folk cant demonstrate in peace!Username just look @ latest poll figures in wake of his appearance an increase in knee-jerk voting!Im amazed that there seems to be a lot of older generation support for BNP!They seem to want to see a society here in UK similar to that in Germany of 1930s which led to WW2!As they say:No Fool like An Old Fool!Nick Griffen's appearance on programme has saved Question Time & that smug closet right winger Dimbleby's job!

Where mainstream politics is going wrong is their strategy of finger-pointing at the BNP as an organisation, instead of addressing and acting upon the underlying issues that turn people to the BNP.

Look, there are many people out there who vote for the BNP who aren’t racist, but they have real issues around poverty, deprivation, general dislike/distrust of mainstream politicians, lack of social mobility, as well as under-resourcing for areas which have seen a major increase in their population of their communities over a very short time.

Sayeeda Warsi nailed it on QT when she said it wasn't a debate about race; it is a debate about resourcing.

Until mainstream political parties understand, and address, these concerns, people will turn to a party that will listen, and will give them an easy answer and scapegoat for all life’s woes.

So by focusing all their energies on a BNP attack instead of listening to voters, mainstream politics is ensuring that more people will turn to the BNP - which has an additional racist and fascist agenda - in order to be heard.

Oh the irony....

You got me agreeing with you now..lol..
well put..I only wish there was a Party out there that would actually listen..not like the Lab/Con/Lib who are there for their own gains and Feathering their Nests and to Hell with the Electorate!!!

I would like to say how disgusted i am at the way my wife and i were treated at the so called peacefull protest,whilst walking through john frost square,we were approached by a steward who asked my wife for money,she then asked him for a registered charity number he told her he did have one,my wife told him that was illegal,he then walked away calling her a racist ,about 10 mins later the police came over and told us to leave the square immediatly or we would be arrested for inciting violence,we were then manhandled out of the square,as the whole crowd proceeded to follow us chanting nazi nazi scum and we were even spat upon,we are not racist and certainly not nazis,but how easy it is to be called one!

rocco wrote:
I would like to say how disgusted i am at the way my wife and i were treated at the so called peacefull protest,whilst walking through john frost square,we were approached by a steward who asked my wife for money,she then asked him for a registered charity number he told her he did have one,my wife told him that was illegal,he then walked away calling her a racist ,about 10 mins later the police came over and told us to leave the square immediatly or we would be arrested for inciting violence,we were then manhandled out of the square,as the whole crowd proceeded to follow us chanting nazi nazi scum and we were even spat upon,we are not racist and certainly not nazis,but how easy it is to be called one!

Assuming that this is the full truth, (and i have no reason to believe anything other that this being a full and candid representation of exactly what happened), then this is shocking.

If i was you, i would put in a complaint to the police.

I would also come forward and contact the Argus news desk (contact details on the website) to make a wide appeal for other non-protesters to come forward as witnesses.

As you will have seen, there were at least five officers who had video cameras, together with helicopter footage and the CCTV camera looking down on JFS. I am sure your shocking attack by protesters and manhandling by police would have been caught by at least one of the cameras - if only to cover their own action - and with the Argus on your side, i am sure your complaint will be reviewed and the truth found.

That said, I am bemused why i haven't seen this incident covered on any of the participating organisations' websites, as ANY such incident (rightly or wrongly) would be promoted widely with photos as "police take away racist haters".

Best of luck and i hope to read your official complaint - and the results - in the paper soon.

rocco wrote:
I would like to say how disgusted i am at the way my wife and i were treated at the so called peacefull protest,whilst walking through john frost square,we were approached by a steward who asked my wife for money,she then asked him for a registered charity number he told her he did have one,my wife told him that was illegal,he then walked away calling her a racist ,about 10 mins later the police came over and told us to leave the square immediatly or we would be arrested for inciting violence,we were then manhandled out of the square,as the whole crowd proceeded to follow us chanting nazi nazi scum and we were even spat upon,we are not racist and certainly not nazis,but how easy it is to be called one!

Just go's to show this Countries once values of Freedom, Freedom of Expression and Speech, and Fairplay are being Systematically destroyed..I really despair at what we are turning into a Country on Par and as bad as the Old East Germany!!!

Well If BNP gains more support from misguided wallies we will be just like East & West Germany!Yeah from 1930s Germany where fear & segregation was the order of the day if folk want to affect real change,join a main stream party & chnage from within!Also how about actually voting when elections come around?If you dont vote then you cant moan about your lot afterwards!Biggest tool that extremism has is apathy!Thats how that creep Griffin got elected in 1st place!He is banking on feeble-minded souls looking for the easy way out of their problems by voting for him & BNP when they dont have any real policies to solve problems save for deporting as many ethnic groups as possible!Mind you he'll cut the prison population by employing as many violent thugs to work in immigration service!

But of course, if all these protesters felt strongly enough about having a church converted to a mosque, they should have maintained their alleged Christian ideals and attended the church in the first place - that way, the building would never have become unused and derelict.

Essentially, religion is not a bad thing - it is the people who refuse to tolerate differing cultures that cause problems.

History shows that many sites that are considered sacred throughout the world are adopted as places of worship from one denomination / culture to another, for those who care / feel enough to worship or abide by their upbringing.

This is NOT a religious issue - this is an issue of bigotry and intolerance.

All who protested should NOT be tarred with the same brush, but fact is, they should reflect on their behaviour and actually consider living by the values their religions / cultures teach - which is essentially tolerance and respect.

There is (as far as I am aware) no hatred taught in any religion - it is all down to those who refuse to acknowledge and respect differing peaceful cultures...

Daz Mondeo wrote:
But of course, if all these protesters felt strongly enough about having a church converted to a mosque, they should have maintained their alleged Christian ideals and attended the church in the first place - that way, the building would never have become unused and derelict.

Essentially, religion is not a bad thing - it is the people who refuse to tolerate differing cultures that cause problems.

History shows that many sites that are considered sacred throughout the world are adopted as places of worship from one denomination / culture to another, for those who care / feel enough to worship or abide by their upbringing.

This is NOT a religious issue - this is an issue of bigotry and intolerance.

All who protested should NOT be tarred with the same brush, but fact is, they should reflect on their behaviour and actually consider living by the values their religions / cultures teach - which is essentially tolerance and respect.

There is (as far as I am aware) no hatred taught in any religion - it is all down to those who refuse to acknowledge and respect differing peaceful cultures...

The only thing i would query, Daz is your belief that religion is quintessentially a good thing. Yes, an individual with 'faith' may, if left alone, be his brother's keeper. However, organised religion takes the 'faithful', and tells them that they must adhere to words, rules and doctrines that have been written by humans, then translated, deciphered, changed, interpreted and taught, also, by humans. Organised religions then use these words to ensure that the faithful amend their behaviour to do its bidding; under pain of the ultimate penalty if they do not. If there was no human intervention in faith, then surely there would be (in the western world at least) one religion, with one set of rules. But no, we have many, and each has ascribed its own interpretation as to faith and ultimate truth ...and when humans - with their own agenda - set themselves up as the mouthpiece of their Almighty, then the faithful will do their bidding, regardless of what is asked of them.

Should we fear extreme fundamentalists, who are willing to kill because a human has told them that their God has signed it off?

Absolutely. After all, when our own religions preach of onward Christian soldiers marching into war, we invaded and conquered enough of the world to ensure that the sun never set on our empire!

...was that a little off-topic?

"...this Countries once values of Freedom, Freedom of Expression and Speech, and Fairplay..."

Thought you'd be pleased about the destruction of those values, Salem! After all, you don't seem to believe they should be expended to other people.

Absolutely waste of tax payers money. Was disgusted when my children were approached (aged 9,10) and flags pushed into thier hands by a group of what i would call miss -informed Individuals shouting and screaming about something in this manner. When soldier's are dieing to keep them safe.

tonycooper wrote:
Absolutely waste of tax payers money. Was disgusted when my children were approached (aged 9,10) and flags pushed into thier hands by a group of what i would call miss -informed Individuals shouting and screaming about something in this manner. When soldier's are dieing to keep them safe.

The organisers offered everybody a smallwelsh flag. Many said "yes, thank you". Some said "no, thank you". I am sure the last thing the organisers would want is for you to be disgusted by the offer.

As for the shouting and screaming, yes people were passionate, and i would far rather have a nation of passionate people, than an apathetic one!

One thing: I'd be interested to know what you mean by mis-informed, TC.

...and the freedom of will, and the freedom for individuals to protest is EXACTLY what our armed forces are defending.

rocco wrote:
I would like to say how disgusted i am at the way my wife and i were treated at the so called peacefull protest,whilst walking through john frost square,we were approached by a steward who asked my wife for money,she then asked him for a registered charity number he told her he did have one,my wife told him that was illegal,he then walked away calling her a racist ,about 10 mins later the police came over and told us to leave the square immediatly or we would be arrested for inciting violence,we were then manhandled out of the square,as the whole crowd proceeded to follow us chanting nazi nazi scum and we were even spat upon,we are not racist and certainly not nazis,but how easy it is to be called one!

I'm all for anti-fascism, but reading your account of how yourself and your wife were treated on Saturday, leaves me feeling pretty shocked and appalled, rocco.

How can they call you "Nazis" when they don't even know anything about you? For all they know you might even have had relatives who died in the Holocaust.

I don't know much about legal matters, but I'm guessing that you may very well have a case for taking those concerned to court - including the police officers who threatened to arrest you.

I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

Katie T wrote:

rocco wrote: I would like to say how disgusted i am at the way my wife and i were treated at the so called peacefull protest,whilst walking through john frost square,we were approached by a steward who asked my wife for money,she then asked him for a registered charity number he told her he did have one,my wife told him that was illegal,he then walked away calling her a racist ,about 10 mins later the police came over and told us to leave the square immediatly or we would be arrested for inciting violence,we were then manhandled out of the square,as the whole crowd proceeded to follow us chanting nazi nazi scum and we were even spat upon,we are not racist and certainly not nazis,but how easy it is to be called one!

I'm all for anti-fascism, but reading your account of how yourself and your wife were treated on Saturday, leaves me feeling pretty shocked and appalled, rocco. How can they call you "Nazis" when they don't even know anything about you? For all they know you might even have had relatives who died in the Holocaust. I don't know much about legal matters, but I'm guessing that you may very well have a case for taking those concerned to court - including the police officers who threatened to arrest you.

Disgusting!! Yet it does not surprise me. When our boys came back from the war and musilms were spewing there racial hatred against white people, saying kill all whites!!! the police stood back and said nothing... Yet when anyone dares make a statement against a muslim, they are arrested. The SCUM that called rocco and his wife Nazi's are the reason there is so much racial hatred in this country.

"Username just look @ latest poll figures in wake of his appearance an increase in knee-jerk voting!Im amazed that there seems to be a lot of older generation support for BNP!They seem to want to see a society here in UK similar to that in Germany of 1930s which led to WW2!As they say:No Fool like An Old Fool!Nick Griffen's appearance on programme has saved Question Time & that smug closet right winger Dimbleby's job!"

In my opinion we shouldn’t suppress the BNP but expose them as the despicable racist organisation they are. If people still want to vote for them then that’s up to them. Freedom of speech. Freedom to vote for whoever you want.

Username 2 if enough muppets vote 4 Adolf Griffen you wont have freedom of speach/choice for much longer,especially if you arent white & english!Griffen's policy guru is a fugitive from South Africa where he's chief suspect in string of racially motivated murders!So dont put any faith in BNP doing much for world peace human rights or democracy anytime soon!

rocco wrote:
I would like to say how disgusted i am at the way my wife and i were treated at the so called peacefull protest,whilst walking through john frost square,we were approached by a steward who asked my wife for money,she then asked him for a registered charity number he told her he did have one,my wife told him that was illegal,he then walked away calling her a racist ,about 10 mins later the police came over and told us to leave the square immediatly or we would be arrested for inciting violence,we were then manhandled out of the square,as the whole crowd proceeded to follow us chanting nazi nazi scum and we were even spat upon,we are not racist and certainly not nazis,but how easy it is to be called one!

Rocco, I was present during this incident, the truth about this incident is slightly different to how you have portrayed it. The Police did not just appear “10 mins later”, you went over to them complaining that it was illegal to collect in the street without a registered charity number clearly readable on the bucket. The Police Officer told you he had more pressing things at that moment and that the organisers were a registered charity (SEWREC Charity No. 1108264). You then started to go on about if you were Black or Muslim he would listen to you, (but not using such nice language). The Police Officer then asked you to leave the square immediately or you would be arrested for inciting racial hatred. You continued your tirade and some members of the protest were abusive to you, but the Police Officer stepped in and escorted you from the square.

i think its disgusting the welsh defence league couldnt march on saturday.
everyone should be able to march as long as they go through the proper channels.

what harm would the march have caused.
properly policed they would have marched through the town and then went home.
they are a minority and would have gone un-noticed if we had just ignored them.
the anti facists have shot themselves in the foot again.
until the main parties address immigration the far right will grow and one day maybe be even run this country,thanks to their help.
most people want the gates shut on immigration and stop the favourable treatment of moslems over normal uk people.

the far right is winning many votes because of the extreme left wing and moslem extremists.
the anti facists dont debate with people they dont agree with, they use violence or extreme methods of protest.
they act just like the old national front.
the reason the welsh defence league wanted to march was because islamic extremists jeered and spat at our soldiers when they marched through luton to celebrate their home coming and also the rise of islamic fundamentalism in the uk.

moslems dont want to intergrate into our society but change everything that is british.we will end up with a moslem state with sharia law if things arent stopped.

why is it all other religions will live happily along side us but moslems.
many people who are'nt racist are being made to feel racist by white liberalists who if they had their way wouldnt have border controls.

newport hasnt always been a multicultural town .its only the last 40 years or so large numbers of migrants have come to newport.
we had the jamacians in the 60's ,the asians in the 70's/80's and anyone who wanted to come here in the 90's onwards.the town isnt a melting pot but a boiling pot ready to boil over.
this is the case in may towns all over the uk.
in 1982 i can remember my friend who's black walking into the shop in cwmcarn and people wanting to touch his hair and look at him like he was a freak.
they didnt have any black people living in risca,pontywaen,cwmc
arn,abercarn or newbridge at the time.most had only seen a black person on the tv or films.
we have jumped massively from a few migrants to migrants outnumbering locals in some areas of newport and people are worried where it will all end.
anyone who talks about migrants is classed a racist this has to stop.as long as you dont site violence or racial hatred towards migrants your views should be allowed and either ignored or debated.

If these people want to march let them foot the security bills... it'd soon deter a few of them !

davewales wrote:
i think its disgusting the welsh defence league couldnt march on saturday.
everyone should be able to march as long as they go through the proper channels.

what harm would the march have caused.
properly policed they would have marched through the town and then went home.
they are a minority and would have gone un-noticed if we had just ignored them.
the anti facists have shot themselves in the foot again.
until the main parties address immigration the far right will grow and one day maybe be even run this country,thanks to their help.
most people want the gates shut on immigration and stop the favourable treatment of moslems over normal uk people.

the far right is winning many votes because of the extreme left wing and moslem extremists.
the anti facists dont debate with people they dont agree with, they use violence or extreme methods of protest.
they act just like the old national front.
the reason the welsh defence league wanted to march was because islamic extremists jeered and spat at our soldiers when they marched through luton to celebrate their home coming and also the rise of islamic fundamentalism in the uk.

moslems dont want to intergrate into our society but change everything that is british.we will end up with a moslem state with sharia law if things arent stopped.

why is it all other religions will live happily along side us but moslems.
many people who are'nt racist are being made to feel racist by white liberalists who if they had their way wouldnt have border controls.

newport hasnt always been a multicultural town .its only the last 40 years or so large numbers of migrants have come to newport.
we had the jamacians in the 60's ,the asians in the 70's/80's and anyone who wanted to come here in the 90's onwards.the town isnt a melting pot but a boiling pot ready to boil over.
this is the case in may towns all over the uk.
in 1982 i can remember my friend who's black walking into the shop in cwmcarn and people wanting to touch his hair and look at him like he was a freak.
they didnt have any black people living in risca,pontywaen,cwmc
arn,abercarn or newbridge at the time.most had only seen a black person on the tv or films.
we have jumped massively from a few migrants to migrants outnumbering locals in some areas of newport and people are worried where it will all end.
anyone who talks about migrants is classed a racist this has to stop.as long as you dont site violence or racial hatred towards migrants your views should be allowed and either ignored or debated.

dave, of course the WDL have the right to march, and they could have marched. it was their decision not to. no idea why.

also, you also say that the anti fascists don't debate with people they don't agree with, they use violence or extreme methods of protest. i am an anti-fascist (in fact, i'm the one holding the 'hope not hate' banner on paul flynn's blog). i am not violent, enjoy debating views with people and would be happy to chat with you. i find that far better than throwing misguided insults at someone who holds a different view from me.

Mervyn James wrote:
If these people want to march let them foot the security bills... it'd soon deter a few of them !

maggie thatcher was looking at exactly that back in the 80s when many thousands of your south wales neighbourhoods were picketing against the decimation of our guture. Be careful what you wish for Merv, coz it's a very slippery slope towards a fascist state!

lisajo wrote:
I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

it has nothing to do with fairness, lisajo. It was a church but no one went, so it was left empty. if they rebuilt it as a church, would you go?

The Trouble is...is that an Entire Generation and More has Grown Up since those Murderous Years of Stalin's Terror, when he Murdered all those Millions in the name of Idealogical Socialism and The Collective, when the State was all, and the People existed only to serve it. They simply have no memory of the Joy of the Marxist-Terrorised People when they achieved their freedom when the Wall came down.
Sometimes I think the Berlin Wall should have stayed up, as a Symbol of the Lengths Communist/Socialist Governments are prepared to go to, to Conceal the Truth from their own People and to keep them from Escaping the Jackboot!!
Communism is no different to Fascism in its Impact on the People. These Young "Anti-Fascists" don't know that, because Eastern Europe/Russia has been Free during their Lifetimes and, inexplicably, there are STILL those on the extreme Left who would put the People through it again, under the Lies of "Freedom" and "Equality"! They do not understand that the Jackboot fits on the Right Foot AND the Left Foot, but still they will March in support of far-Left causes and against far-Right ones. In fact, their behaviour is more overtly Fascist than they know or are being taught in their "Hot-beds" of Marxist "theory-presented-as
-fact" Universities!!
Political Correctness is destroying Freedom of Speech, and these "Anti-Fascist" groups can have no idea of the Evils unleashed by it. They will not allow the "so-called" Far Right to Speak, but will Flock to a meeting with a Far Left Marxist speaker!!!

dave you are dreaming if you think that WDL would have just packed up & gone home without a fight of some kind!Who do you think these idiots are?They are football hooligans who cant find a fight!They have connections with BNP & old Combat 18 its got nowt to do with Muslims spitting @ british troops parading through Luton!I expect they called off demo after thet arranged a fight elsewhere,proberly up in Sheffield where Cardiff City were playing!Please dont make out these thugs as being noble!They are far from it!

By the way Dave you are well wrong on your statement of Abercarn & Newbridge not having any coloured people living here in 1982,we've had coloured folk living here since 50s though being a townie you wouldnt have known that!Likewise you've had a mulit-racial society in newport for as long as there has been a docks in the town!You've had the overspill from Cardiff for years!Mind you it wouldve been hard for you to have seen them with your burkha over your eyes!The notion of this country becoming an islamic state is so daft its ludicrous!You honestly think UK would become islamic before Iraq & Turkey?These countries are predominately muslim but remain secular!You sound just like 1 of Hitler's followers in 1930s when they blamed the jews for all of Germany's problems!

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote: I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

it has nothing to do with fairness, lisajo. It was a church but no one went, so it was left empty. if they rebuilt it as a church, would you go?

yes Gareth I would! Because i am a christian and i do go to church. Dont you think there is enough mosques in Newport, do we have to have 3 mosques on every street? Who will be paying for this so-called mosque to be built? Us the taxpayer? enough is enough...Even if this church was built into a local community centre for young people , I would have no objections, but another mosque that only muslims can use.. Yes I object.. and so probably do alot of other people, they just dont want to offend.

I have to agree with Gareth in part, in as much as 'christian' or 'mongolot' Welsh people moan, they won't use these buildings, they complained of the Maindee pool being sold off, yet none came forward to save it. The Church was empty, what do people do, let it fall down ? There are enough ruins in Newport doing that already. But I DO think the Isamic clerics should publish their sermons so we can see what they are saying, or, those who want Islamics out, will assume the worst every time, the secrecy is the problem. The use of language we don't know, it all adds up to suspicion. If there is nothing to hide let's see that... A lot of issues are being hidden behind 'rights' some being more entitled to them than others...

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote: I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

it has nothing to do with fairness, lisajo. It was a church but no one went, so it was left empty. if they rebuilt it as a church, would you go?

yes Gareth I would! Because i am a christian and i do go to church. Dont you think there is enough mosques in Newport, do we have to have 3 mosques on every street? Who will be paying for this so-called mosque to be built? Us the taxpayer? enough is enough...Even if this church was built into a local community centre for young people , I would have no objections, but another mosque that only muslims can use.. Yes I object.. and so probably do alot of other people, they just dont want to offend.

i cannot debate with you lisajo, as you seem to be making blind comments without actually understanding the facts.

one example, FYI: the mosque and multi-faith centre they intend to build will only not be muslim only (the multi-faith bit is a giveaway).

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote: I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

it has nothing to do with fairness, lisajo. It was a church but no one went, so it was left empty. if they rebuilt it as a church, would you go?

yes Gareth I would! Because i am a christian and i do go to church. Dont you think there is enough mosques in Newport, do we have to have 3 mosques on every street? Who will be paying for this so-called mosque to be built? Us the taxpayer? enough is enough...Even if this church was built into a local community centre for young people , I would have no objections, but another mosque that only muslims can use.. Yes I object.. and so probably do alot of other people, they just dont want to offend.

i cannot debate with you lisajo, as you seem to be making blind comments without actually understanding the facts. one example, FYI: the mosque and multi-faith centre they intend to build will only not be muslim only (the multi-faith bit is a giveaway).

Gareth i cannot debate with you, you seem very single minded, multi-faith centre, are u avin a laff!!! We all put up with alot of crap in this country because people wont stand up to what they think is right and fair. Probably because our Country is governered by weak willed people who are scared to say no to certain groups and faiths yet have no probs telling others that it is not allowed.

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote: I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

it has nothing to do with fairness, lisajo. It was a church but no one went, so it was left empty. if they rebuilt it as a church, would you go?

yes Gareth I would! Because i am a christian and i do go to church. Dont you think there is enough mosques in Newport, do we have to have 3 mosques on every street? Who will be paying for this so-called mosque to be built? Us the taxpayer? enough is enough...Even if this church was built into a local community centre for young people , I would have no objections, but another mosque that only muslims can use.. Yes I object.. and so probably do alot of other people, they just dont want to offend.

i cannot debate with you lisajo, as you seem to be making blind comments without actually understanding the facts. one example, FYI: the mosque and multi-faith centre they intend to build will only not be muslim only (the multi-faith bit is a giveaway).

Gareth i cannot debate with you, you seem very single minded, multi-faith centre, are u avin a laff!!! We all put up with alot of crap in this country because people wont stand up to what they think is right and fair. Probably because our Country is governered by weak willed people who are scared to say no to certain groups and faiths yet have no probs telling others that it is not allowed.

...and there is me thinking that the Christian bible preached love, understanding, the love of thy neighbour, judging not lest ye be judged and being thy brother's keeper.

Lisajo,why was this church empty in 1st place?Answer,the populus has worked out that religion is a con!There is no God! Christianity has ahd its day so why shouldnt a growing & vibrant religion make good use of it?Or is it a "christian"doctrine that only christian religions can use a church even though its been empty for years?All you are doing lisajo is fuelling the theory that all christians are hypocrites & are anti-islamic thus giving propeganda to the extremists within Islam!

Britian IS a christian-based society, our history and lawsd are based on it, even if none of us go to a church, we enjoy the protection of the laws it is based on, look up Shia law, and compare, I know which I prefer..... This is Britain NOT the middle-east, why must we always comply ? they don't there do they ? Our equality laws will be our undoing....

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote: I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

it has nothing to do with fairness, lisajo. It was a church but no one went, so it was left empty. if they rebuilt it as a church, would you go?

yes Gareth I would! Because i am a christian and i do go to church. Dont you think there is enough mosques in Newport, do we have to have 3 mosques on every street? Who will be paying for this so-called mosque to be built? Us the taxpayer? enough is enough...Even if this church was built into a local community centre for young people , I would have no objections, but another mosque that only muslims can use.. Yes I object.. and so probably do alot of other people, they just dont want to offend.

lisajo your just a complete and utter muppet! firstly where did u get the idea that there are 3 mosques on every street! even if u were to go to the middle east i can guarantee you that u wnt find 3 mosques on every street so learn to count! with the last census it stated there was approx 3000 Muslims in newport with 4 Mosques in total... this new mosque they have all legit, their own money and fair n square without doin anythin illegal or racist so what exactly is your problem????

shia2009 wrote:

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote: I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

it has nothing to do with fairness, lisajo. It was a church but no one went, so it was left empty. if they rebuilt it as a church, would you go?

yes Gareth I would! Because i am a christian and i do go to church. Dont you think there is enough mosques in Newport, do we have to have 3 mosques on every street? Who will be paying for this so-called mosque to be built? Us the taxpayer? enough is enough...Even if this church was built into a local community centre for young people , I would have no objections, but another mosque that only muslims can use.. Yes I object.. and so probably do alot of other people, they just dont want to offend.

lisajo your just a complete and utter muppet! firstly where did u get the idea that there are 3 mosques on every street! even if u were to go to the middle east i can guarantee you that u wnt find 3 mosques on every street so learn to count! with the last census it stated there was approx 3000 Muslims in newport with 4 Mosques in total... this new mosque they have all legit, their own money and fair n square without doin anythin illegal or racist so what exactly is your problem????

now now shia, you should know by now that when people are determined to be offended by something, little things like facts are no hindrance.

Gareth wrote:

shia2009 wrote:

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote: I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

it has nothing to do with fairness, lisajo. It was a church but no one went, so it was left empty. if they rebuilt it as a church, would you go?

yes Gareth I would! Because i am a christian and i do go to church. Dont you think there is enough mosques in Newport, do we have to have 3 mosques on every street? Who will be paying for this so-called mosque to be built? Us the taxpayer? enough is enough...Even if this church was built into a local community centre for young people , I would have no objections, but another mosque that only muslims can use.. Yes I object.. and so probably do alot of other people, they just dont want to offend.

lisajo your just a complete and utter muppet! firstly where did u get the idea that there are 3 mosques on every street! even if u were to go to the middle east i can guarantee you that u wnt find 3 mosques on every street so learn to count! with the last census it stated there was approx 3000 Muslims in newport with 4 Mosques in total... this new mosque they have all legit, their own money and fair n square without doin anythin illegal or racist so what exactly is your problem????

now now shia, you should know by now that when people are determined to be offended by something, little things like facts are no hindrance.

what facts? enlighten me!

lisajo your just a complete and utter muppet! firstly where did u get the idea that there are 3 mosques on every street! even if u were to go to the middle east i can guarantee you that u wnt find 3 mosques on every street so learn to count! with the last census it stated there was approx 3000 Muslims in newport with 4 Mosques in total... this new mosque they have all legit, their own money and fair n square without doin anythin illegal or racist so what exactly is your problem????

Where does it say 3 mosques on every street? Think your getting ahead of yourself there, lisajo wrote "I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques..."
Never mind if we go to church every day or not, the point is when we want to christen our children we want a church, when we want to get married we want to do it in a church and when we die we want our service to be held in a church, not a bloody mosque. The real question is where is it all going to end? Probably with us so called great british people searching far and wide to find a church that hasn't yet been turned into a mosque. And before you start spewing that i'm racist I can assure you that I am NOT.

Let's clarify something shall we!

Christians Kill, War, Rape, Decapitate, Destroy, etc etc... DESPITE and AGAINST their proclaimed "Christianity."

Muslims Kill, War , Rape, Decapitate, Destroy, etc etc...
IN THE NAME OF their Islam and "Prophet."

See the Difference???

A cursory reading of History will show you that Islam Thrived and spread BY MEANS OF Ethnic
Cleansing (Invented by Muslims!) and Genocide (Ordered by Muhammad.)

Precisely why we don't need another mosque!!

shia2009 wrote:

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote: I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

it has nothing to do with fairness, lisajo. It was a church but no one went, so it was left empty. if they rebuilt it as a church, would you go?

yes Gareth I would! Because i am a christian and i do go to church. Dont you think there is enough mosques in Newport, do we have to have 3 mosques on every street? Who will be paying for this so-called mosque to be built? Us the taxpayer? enough is enough...Even if this church was built into a local community centre for young people , I would have no objections, but another mosque that only muslims can use.. Yes I object.. and so probably do alot of other people, they just dont want to offend.

lisajo your just a complete and utter muppet! firstly where did u get the idea that there are 3 mosques on every street! even if u were to go to the middle east i can guarantee you that u wnt find 3 mosques on every street so learn to count! with the last census it stated there was approx 3000 Muslims in newport with 4 Mosques in total... this new mosque they have all legit, their own money and fair n square without doin anythin illegal or racist so what exactly is your problem????

Muppet !! haha..i think u have showed yrself to be a muppet. I said do we really need 3 mosques on every street!!!! not that there are 3 mosques on each street. But the way things are going, im sure it wont be long. I notice you haven't answered my question that if a christian was to live in the middle east that it would be ok to turn a mosque into a church for all faiths, christians, catholics.. Because you know like i do, that it would cause an offence and under no circumstances would it be allowed. I'm not racist, in fact Im a Jamacian woman who's parents moved to this country in the sixties, when Racism was at its worse. They never felt when moving here that everyone should change to suit them, they learned to live at 1 with the community they lived in and certainly did not expect preferrential treatment like most people do today.

And by the way 3000 muslims in Newport? That certainly aint counting the illegal muslims, is it?

shia2009 wrote:

Gareth wrote:

shia2009 wrote:

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote: I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

it has nothing to do with fairness, lisajo. It was a church but no one went, so it was left empty. if they rebuilt it as a church, would you go?

yes Gareth I would! Because i am a christian and i do go to church. Dont you think there is enough mosques in Newport, do we have to have 3 mosques on every street? Who will be paying for this so-called mosque to be built? Us the taxpayer? enough is enough...Even if this church was built into a local community centre for young people , I would have no objections, but another mosque that only muslims can use.. Yes I object.. and so probably do alot of other people, they just dont want to offend.

lisajo your just a complete and utter muppet! firstly where did u get the idea that there are 3 mosques on every street! even if u were to go to the middle east i can guarantee you that u wnt find 3 mosques on every street so learn to count! with the last census it stated there was approx 3000 Muslims in newport with 4 Mosques in total... this new mosque they have all legit, their own money and fair n square without doin anythin illegal or racist so what exactly is your problem????

now now shia, you should know by now that when people are determined to be offended by something, little things like facts are no hindrance.

what facts? enlighten me!

i was agreeing with you shia! when people are determined to be offended by something, no amount of sense or facts will change their mind.

The WDL, EDL and BNP all propose an end to immigration for some but not all.

They would still allow people of British indigenous decent to come here. So the argument over jobs is a non starter as a white American or white Australian would still need to work, they would also need to use the NHS and other public services.

So it must be down to religion, but white indigenous British Pagans would be allowed to stay as would indigenous people of any religion.

So that only leaves ethnicity, anyone who would base their moral and political beliefs around ethnicity is by definition a racist. One thing about their immigration policy that I consider relevant would be the people that would be allowed or barred from entering the UK. Adolf Hitler would be allowed as would all the leaders of the German national socialists of the 1930’s and 40’s. Ghandi excluded on grounds of ethnicity. Bishop Tutu excluded on grounds of ethnicity. But for those who purport to be practicing Christians, remember this Jesus if he arrived in a port in the UK after these racists came to power would be excluded on grounds of ethnicity as he was not of indigenous British/ Norse/Irish/Welsh decent.

Could some one please explain how so called Christians could put forward policies that would exclude someone that they worship as the son of God.

There is no doubt that this Snake Oil Liebour have their own pro-EU/NWO Agenda which includes Censoring any News that may not go down well with the British Public. Recent revelations have made it clear that this Slime Ball Marxist Gang are at War with the British People. Jack Straw's assertion a few years ago that Quote: ''The British as a Race, are not worth saving''!! certainly underlines his father's refusal to fight in WW2, an attitude that all of these SnakeOil Creeps of Liebour as a whole seem to possess. Despite the Controlled Media Under-reporting Liebour's Deliberate Plans to Flood the UK with immigrants have awakened the British People(OF ALL CREEDS) and when they fully realise the enormity of Liebour's Betrayal & the complicit silence of the Tories and Liberals they will turn any Party that will stand up to our Sovereignty Customs and Culture and actually LISTEN to the Electorate and what scares me this is where the Big Vacuum lies waiting to be filled!!!!!

Gareth wrote:

shia2009 wrote:

Gareth wrote:

shia2009 wrote:

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote: I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

it has nothing to do with fairness, lisajo. It was a church but no one went, so it was left empty. if they rebuilt it as a church, would you go?

yes Gareth I would! Because i am a christian and i do go to church. Dont you think there is enough mosques in Newport, do we have to have 3 mosques on every street? Who will be paying for this so-called mosque to be built? Us the taxpayer? enough is enough...Even if this church was built into a local community centre for young people , I would have no objections, but another mosque that only muslims can use.. Yes I object.. and so probably do alot of other people, they just dont want to offend.

lisajo your just a complete and utter muppet! firstly where did u get the idea that there are 3 mosques on every street! even if u were to go to the middle east i can guarantee you that u wnt find 3 mosques on every street so learn to count! with the last census it stated there was approx 3000 Muslims in newport with 4 Mosques in total... this new mosque they have all legit, their own money and fair n square without doin anythin illegal or racist so what exactly is your problem????

now now shia, you should know by now that when people are determined to be offended by something, little things like facts are no hindrance.

what facts? enlighten me!

i was agreeing with you shia! when people are determined to be offended by something, no amount of sense or facts will change their mind.

And Gareth you have all the sense and facts do you, or are you just mouthing off about things, I remember when there a debate a few months ago about polish workers taking all the jobs and yet again you stood to there defence telling all who would listen that they take nothing from the system and only plough into it... untill i gave you facts..

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

shia2009 wrote:

Gareth wrote:

shia2009 wrote:

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote: I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

it has nothing to do with fairness, lisajo. It was a church but no one went, so it was left empty. if they rebuilt it as a church, would you go?

yes Gareth I would! Because i am a christian and i do go to church. Dont you think there is enough mosques in Newport, do we have to have 3 mosques on every street? Who will be paying for this so-called mosque to be built? Us the taxpayer? enough is enough...Even if this church was built into a local community centre for young people , I would have no objections, but another mosque that only muslims can use.. Yes I object.. and so probably do alot of other people, they just dont want to offend.

lisajo your just a complete and utter muppet! firstly where did u get the idea that there are 3 mosques on every street! even if u were to go to the middle east i can guarantee you that u wnt find 3 mosques on every street so learn to count! with the last census it stated there was approx 3000 Muslims in newport with 4 Mosques in total... this new mosque they have all legit, their own money and fair n square without doin anythin illegal or racist so what exactly is your problem????

now now shia, you should know by now that when people are determined to be offended by something, little things like facts are no hindrance.

what facts? enlighten me!

i was agreeing with you shia! when people are determined to be offended by something, no amount of sense or facts will change their mind.

And Gareth you have all the sense and facts do you, or are you just mouthing off about things, I remember when there a debate a few months ago about polish workers taking all the jobs and yet again you stood to there defence telling all who would listen that they take nothing from the system and only plough into it... untill i gave you facts..

of course i do not know all the facts. i acknowledge that i am ignorant in many subjects. that's why i enjoy conversing with people who know more than i.

...and when you use phrases like "polish workers taking all the jobs" that is not adding anything to a debate, nor imparting wisdom for others to learn. they are glib, ignorant and incorrect assumptive generalisms dressed up as fact.

of course you have a perfect right to write what you like and many people enjoy joining forces to point mass fingers of blame at easy scapegoats (though as a church-going Christian yourself, you will be all too well aware that was exactly how Jesus was treated, so i am kind of surprised that you are happy to be part of the baying mob).

look, there are plenty of people who will want to engage with you, but i am not one of them. just as what i write doesn't interest you.

so let's just call it quits, go and talk with people instead of going down the schoolyard personal attack route.

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

shia2009 wrote:

Gareth wrote:

shia2009 wrote:

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote: I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

it has nothing to do with fairness, lisajo. It was a church but no one went, so it was left empty. if they rebuilt it as a church, would you go?

yes Gareth I would! Because i am a christian and i do go to church. Dont you think there is enough mosques in Newport, do we have to have 3 mosques on every street? Who will be paying for this so-called mosque to be built? Us the taxpayer? enough is enough...Even if this church was built into a local community centre for young people , I would have no objections, but another mosque that only muslims can use.. Yes I object.. and so probably do alot of other people, they just dont want to offend.

lisajo your just a complete and utter muppet! firstly where did u get the idea that there are 3 mosques on every street! even if u were to go to the middle east i can guarantee you that u wnt find 3 mosques on every street so learn to count! with the last census it stated there was approx 3000 Muslims in newport with 4 Mosques in total... this new mosque they have all legit, their own money and fair n square without doin anythin illegal or racist so what exactly is your problem????

now now shia, you should know by now that when people are determined to be offended by something, little things like facts are no hindrance.

what facts? enlighten me!

i was agreeing with you shia! when people are determined to be offended by something, no amount of sense or facts will change their mind.

And Gareth you have all the sense and facts do you, or are you just mouthing off about things, I remember when there a debate a few months ago about polish workers taking all the jobs and yet again you stood to there defence telling all who would listen that they take nothing from the system and only plough into it... untill i gave you facts..

of course i do not know all the facts. i acknowledge that i am ignorant in many subjects. that's why i enjoy conversing with people who know more than i. ...and when you use phrases like "polish workers taking all the jobs" that is not adding anything to a debate, nor imparting wisdom for others to learn. they are glib, ignorant and incorrect assumptive generalisms dressed up as fact. of course you have a perfect right to write what you like and many people enjoy joining forces to point mass fingers of blame at easy scapegoats (though as a church-going Christian yourself, you will be all too well aware that was exactly how Jesus was treated, so i am kind of surprised that you are happy to be part of the baying mob). look, there are plenty of people who will want to engage with you, but i am not one of them. just as what i write doesn't interest you. so let's just call it quits, go and talk with people instead of going down the schoolyard personal attack route.

I'm sorrry if you feel like im attacking you Gareth, that was not my intention. This is an open debate, and something i feel strong about, i have absolutely no objections of people demonstrating against faschists groups, i myself condone them. I am not a part of the baying mob, i just believe in fairness, I asked the question yesterday, that if i was living in the middle east, would muslims be happy if a mosque was turned into a church for christians and catholics? I have not recieved an answer... like I said it should not be one rule for 1 and 1 rule for the other, people seem to expect more from this country than they would tolerate in there own. Thats all im saying, this is what angers white people, and stirs up racial hatred for all of us.

Salem wrote:
There is no doubt that this Snake Oil Liebour have their own pro-EU/NWO Agenda which includes Censoring any News that may not go down well with the British Public. Recent revelations have made it clear that this Slime Ball Marxist Gang are at War with the British People. Jack Straw's assertion a few years ago that Quote: ''The British as a Race, are not worth saving''!! certainly underlines his father's refusal to fight in WW2, an attitude that all of these SnakeOil Creeps of Liebour as a whole seem to possess. Despite the Controlled Media Under-reporting Liebour's Deliberate Plans to Flood the UK with immigrants have awakened the British People(OF ALL CREEDS) and when they fully realise the enormity of Liebour's Betrayal & the complicit silence of the Tories and Liberals they will turn any Party that will stand up to our Sovereignty Customs and Culture and actually LISTEN to the Electorate and what scares me this is where the Big Vacuum lies waiting to be filled!!!!!

I couldn't agree more with your views on the New World Order, this is exactly what our government want, divide and conquer, divide and rule. We are all slowly being sucked in!

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

shia2009 wrote:

Gareth wrote:

shia2009 wrote:

lisajo wrote:

Gareth wrote:

lisajo wrote: I have 1 thing to say, do we really need anymore mosques in Newport? I live in Newport there aint any christian churches in my area, but there are 3 mosques... Turn the church into a christian church, and make it fair for all not just for muslims. Its not racism its fairness!people are just to scared to say anything in this country anymore in fear of reprisals. I hardly think that if i moved to a muslim state, they would turn there mosque into a christian churche.. Fairness and not fear is what is needed.

it has nothing to do with fairness, lisajo. It was a church but no one went, so it was left empty. if they rebuilt it as a church, would you go?

yes Gareth I would! Because i am a christian and i do go to church. Dont you think there is enough mosques in Newport, do we have to have 3 mosques on every street? Who will be paying for this so-called mosque to be built? Us the taxpayer? enough is enough...Even if this church was built into a local community centre for young people , I would have no objections, but another mosque that only muslims can use.. Yes I object.. and so probably do alot of other people, they just dont want to offend.

lisajo your just a complete and utter muppet! firstly where did u get the idea that there are 3 mosques on every street! even if u were to go to the middle east i can guarantee you that u wnt find 3 mosques on every street so learn to count! with the last census it stated there was approx 3000 Muslims in newport with 4 Mosques in total... this new mosque they have all legit, their own money and fair n square without doin anythin illegal or racist so what exactly is your problem????

now now shia, you should know by now that when people are determined to be offended by something, little things like facts are no hindrance.

what facts? enlighten me!

i was agreeing with you shia! when people are determined to be offended by something, no amount of sense or facts will change their mind.

And Gareth you have all the sense and facts do you, or are you just mouthing off about things, I remember when there a debate a few months ago about polish workers taking all the jobs and yet again you stood to there defence telling all who would listen that they take nothing from the system and only plough into it... untill i gave you facts..

of course i do not know all the facts. i acknowledge that i am ignorant in many subjects. that's why i enjoy conversing with people who know more than i. ...and when you use phrases like "polish workers taking all the jobs" that is not adding anything to a debate, nor imparting wisdom for others to learn. they are glib, ignorant and incorrect assumptive generalisms dressed up as fact. of course you have a perfect right to write what you like and many people enjoy joining forces to point mass fingers of blame at easy scapegoats (though as a church-going Christian yourself, you will be all too well aware that was exactly how Jesus was treated, so i am kind of surprised that you are happy to be part of the baying mob). look, there are plenty of people who will want to engage with you, but i am not one of them. just as what i write doesn't interest you. so let's just call it quits, go and talk with people instead of going down the schoolyard personal attack route.

I'm sorrry if you feel like im attacking you Gareth, that was not my intention. This is an open debate, and something i feel strong about, i have absolutely no objections of people demonstrating against faschists groups, i myself condone them. I am not a part of the baying mob, i just believe in fairness, I asked the question yesterday, that if i was living in the middle east, would muslims be happy if a mosque was turned into a church for christians and catholics? I have not recieved an answer... like I said it should not be one rule for 1 and 1 rule for the other, people seem to expect more from this country than they would tolerate in there own. Thats all im saying, this is what angers white people, and stirs up racial hatred for all of us.

I've no idea what they would do in an Islamic state. Maybe they would convert a Mosque into a church. Maybe they wouldn't. I don't assume to know and will not make assumptions.

Am I sticking up for Sharia law or the conditions some people have to endure in Islamic countries? Maybe the number of people leaving these countries to live in our democracy is testament to the fact that they don't like it either.

Look, the church was built for Christians. Christians decided that they didn't want to go, and no one complained.

The church-leaders decided to close the doors and remove the building's status as a church. No one complained.

It has not been left as an empty building for several years and no one has complained.

Now a group comes along and wants to return it back to a house of worship for a community that wants to praise the same Lord as Christians and also open it as a multi-faith centre, and all of a sudden everyone is up in arms about the poor church.

Consider this: would we see the same level of complaints if we exchanged the word mosque for Catholic Church or Synagogue?

"people seem to expect more from this country than they would tolerate in there own"

The point you seem to be missing is that this IS there country. They have previously LEFT the country of their birth because they did not like the way it was run.

You cannot, on one hand, complain about a country being a terrible place to live, and then complain if the people there agree with you and leave it!

lisajo you think that their are too many muslims in newport by sayin 3000 plus illegals??? obviously ya stereotyping! how about the black drugs dealers in pill? how about the black rapists in nightclubs you get in england? how about the muggings carried out by 80 of black youths in london and all the knife crime??? like i said i didnt wanna bring up the FACTS but every crime commited is seen by an individual not by their colour or relegion in my eyes but had to bring u back to reality!
For all those who cant get over the mosque go screw yourselves! it is happening! it is gonna be built! none of you morons **** behind a computer screen on jobs seekers allowance never can and never will be able to do anythin about it! for those of u thinkin there will be 3 on each street etc etc seriously seriously need a mental health check up!!!!!!

THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH GARETH, I could not of said it better, much love!!!

shia2009 wrote:
THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH GARETH, I could not of said it better, much love!!!

Shia, if i can be described as anything, it is intolerant of people who prefer to label, pigeon-hole, point fingers and make negative remarks at people instead of engaging with, and learning from, them.

...and that includes anyone who tells people who disagree with them to go screw themselves! it's precisely such language that reinforces the attitude that two cultures would prefer to exchange insults rather than understanding.

So a mosque that's going to be a multi-faith centre? Oh please do tell where your getting your facts from. I find it rather hard to believe a 'mosque' being a multi-faith centre.
As for you Shia, you mention that its mainly the black community thats at the front of most crimes, I can understand your point so on that note you should understand peoples fears when its mostly muslims that are terrorists.

The council unanimously approved the plans to turn the disused church into a mosque and multi-faith community centre back in August, as covered by the Argus at the time.

...and when it comes to condemnation of people from one country entering another and killing innocent people, i don't think we can claim the moral high ground.

Remember that the attacks on the UK came after we launched unprovoked attacks on two Muslim countries!

Gareth wrote:
The council unanimously approved the plans to turn the disused church into a mosque and multi-faith community centre back in August, as covered by the Argus at the time.

...and when it comes to condemnation of people from one country entering another and killing innocent people, i don't think we can claim the moral high ground.

Remember that the attacks on the UK came after we launched unprovoked attacks on two Muslim countries!

How Dare You Gareth become a Apologist to this Death Cult called Islam with flippant remark above..I lost a relative in the 9/11 attack and alot of innocents have been Maimed and Murded in its Name!!!!

Where did you get the impression I am an apologist for ANY organised religion? I suggest you read my earlier comments, Salem.

I will also never stick-up for the actions of murderers in any shape or form. What sane person would?

Too many people have died in the argument over whose got the biggest God, but still we continue. Yes, it is totally abhorrent.

As for 9/11, crikey, I'd want to remove from this earth anyone involved with that massacre. Again, who wouldn't?

But your argument that an entire race of innocent people is accountable for the actions of a few is the same argument those murderers used to justify 9/11 (and later in London).

The argument is just wrong -whichever organsied religion you may follow - and too have already died pointlessly.

Gareth wrote:
Where did you get the impression I am an apologist for ANY organised religion? I suggest you read my earlier comments, Salem.

I will also never stick-up for the actions of murderers in any shape or form. What sane person would?

Too many people have died in the argument over whose got the biggest God, but still we continue. Yes, it is totally abhorrent.

As for 9/11, crikey, I'd want to remove from this earth anyone involved with that massacre. Again, who wouldn't?

But your argument that an entire race of innocent people is accountable for the actions of a few is the same argument those murderers used to justify 9/11 (and later in London).

The argument is just wrong -whichever organsied religion you may follow - and too have already died pointlessly.

Excuse me Gareth the Death Cult of Islam is not a RACE so dont play the Race card with me..Its a Ideaology same as Nazism,Marxism,Socia
lism and Religions(in General) all dreamt up and invented to divide and rule the Masses and the sooner People wake up to the Control Agendas all these 'ism's are foisting on us to turn against each other..then maybe just maybe we can tell them where to stick their Idealologies and start getting along with each other!!!

lets talk about British emigrants for a change -

Gareth wrote:
Where did you get the impression I am an apologist for ANY organised religion? I suggest you read my earlier comments, Salem. I will also never stick-up for the actions of murderers in any shape or form. What sane person would? Too many people have died in the argument over whose got the biggest God, but still we continue. Yes, it is totally abhorrent. As for 9/11, crikey, I'd want to remove from this earth anyone involved with that massacre. Again, who wouldn't? But your argument that an entire race of innocent people is accountable for the actions of a few is the same argument those murderers used to justify 9/11 (and later in London). The argument is just wrong -whichever organsied religion you may follow - and too have already died pointlessly.

Gareth
"as for 9/11 crikey, id want to remove from this earth anyone involved with that massacre"
is that a request for the reinstatement of the death penalty?
if so how does this tally with the liberal attitudes and tolerant way of life you apparently follow?

This whole sorry mess was created by UK when it decided to go around the world empire-building & invading various parts of the world & slaughtering all before them in the name of Queen & God!The British Army commited numerous attrocities in India,Pakistan,Afric
a & other parts of the world!UK did tried to invade Afghanistan years ago & got their **** handed to them!Out of an army of 25000 only 3 men returned to tell of the sorry tale!Is it any wonder that now tables are turned they want revenge?As bad as 9/11 was it was nothing compared to the death & destruction wrought by The Army!If we didnt have an empire we wouldnt have all this immigration to argue about!All this grief so that a load of english prats can stand round singing Rule Britannia & wave that Union Jack rag in everyone's face!

How you going to unite folk Salem with such an arrogant attitude?Or are you 1 of them facists who believes he is right & the rest of the world is wrong?Last muppet who thought like that was 1 Adolf Hitler!In fact ALL luanatic dictators have this god complex that you have in bucketfuls!You not Mugabe in disguise are you?

islwyn09 wrote:
How you going to unite folk Salem with such an arrogant attitude?Or are you 1 of them facists who believes he is right & the rest of the world is wrong?Last muppet who thought like that was 1 Adolf Hitler!In fact ALL luanatic dictators have this god complex that you have in bucketfuls!You not Mugabe in disguise are you?

I Think Its best you remain Quiet with your Infantile comments...in fact how old are you...Your above two comments are a absolute Disgrace!!!!
GROW UP!! and if you dont like this Country then ****off to Cuba/China/N Korea or Zimbabwe and see what Your precious Socialism is really like...
And to make a flippant remark about 9/11 after all those People perished that September Morning including my Couzen is absolutely DISGUSTING..and to continue to slag off our Brave Lads and Lasses fighting Bliars(another Socialist) dodgy conflicts in the Middle East is beyond Contempt and Decency...UNBELIEVAB
LE!!!!!!!

shia2009 wrote:
lisajo you think that their are too many muslims in newport by sayin 3000 plus illegals??? obviously ya stereotyping! how about the black drugs dealers in pill? how about the black rapists in nightclubs you get in england? how about the muggings carried out by 80 of black youths in london and all the knife crime??? like i said i didnt wanna bring up the FACTS but every crime commited is seen by an individual not by their colour or relegion in my eyes but had to bring u back to reality! For all those who cant get over the mosque go screw yourselves! it is happening! it is gonna be built! none of you morons **** behind a computer screen on jobs seekers allowance never can and never will be able to do anythin about it! for those of u thinkin there will be 3 on each street etc etc seriously seriously need a mental health check up!!!!!!

you really need to check yrself lovie, and learn to read what I had written before letting yr mouth run. You aint got a clue, and because of people like you, is why there is so much rascism for the rest of us.

westender wrote:

Gareth wrote:
Where did you get the impression I am an apologist for ANY organised religion? I suggest you read my earlier comments, Salem. I will also never stick-up for the actions of murderers in any shape or form. What sane person would? Too many people have died in the argument over whose got the biggest God, but still we continue. Yes, it is totally abhorrent. As for 9/11, crikey, I'd want to remove from this earth anyone involved with that massacre. Again, who wouldn't? But your argument that an entire race of innocent people is accountable for the actions of a few is the same argument those murderers used to justify 9/11 (and later in London). The argument is just wrong -whichever organsied religion you may follow - and too have already died pointlessly.

Gareth
"as for 9/11 crikey, id want to remove from this earth anyone involved with that massacre"
is that a request for the reinstatement of the death penalty?
if so how does this tally with the liberal attitudes and tolerant way of life you apparently follow?

that's probably the most grown-up query i've had directed at me - someone actually asking a question to find out something!

westender, i would never vote for the death penalty, as i think it is fundamentally wrong.

there are times, however, when my anger takes over and i just want to say "to hell with it", wishing that the police would let out a certain person, let us know where they are, and drive away.

i guess i am just glad that our nation's separation of powers means i can keep my morals in check when my emotional side wants to take over!

Salem once again you've written a stream of emotive, hysterical rubbish. How can you generalise so wildly about Muslims? Do you really think every single follower of Islam is Abu Hamza?

No thanx Salem,im here in MY country where EVERYONE is welcome!You want to behave like a colonial & jingoistic ostrich YOU sod off to England & live amongst that lot!You are so ignorant as to history its not suprising though,as all bigots like you shut their eyes to truth & causes of our problems!I bet you wish slavery was still legal dont you!As for 9/11 my heart goes out to all the bereaved but this country has been responsible for numerous 9/11s in Asia & Africa sod all to be proud of there m8!Our troops are just being used to appease BOTH sides of political spectrum!Ultimately they cannot win the war out there many have tried & failed,we are NOT winning "hearts & minds"as was achieved in Iraq,thats coz UK/US presence has made life worse for local populus NOT better!The day I keep my comments to myself is the day I DIE!Regardless of you & others like you!

here here

islwyn09 wrote:
No thanx Salem,im here in MY country where EVERYONE is welcome!You want to behave like a colonial & jingoistic ostrich YOU sod off to England & live amongst that lot!You are so ignorant as to history its not suprising though,as all bigots like you shut their eyes to truth & causes of our problems!I bet you wish slavery was still legal dont you!As for 9/11 my heart goes out to all the bereaved but this country has been responsible for numerous 9/11s in Asia & Africa sod all to be proud of there m8!Our troops are just being used to appease BOTH sides of political spectrum!Ultimately they cannot win the war out there many have tried & failed,we are NOT winning "hearts & minds"as was achieved in Iraq,thats coz UK/US presence has made life worse for local populus NOT better!The day I keep my comments to myself is the day I DIE!Regardless of you & others like you!

My God your Sad Sad Bitter and Twisted and Your Comment is a Diatribe of Racism and Hate for the People of these Isles Absolutly DISGUSTING and very brave to say it from the Comfort and Safety of your Keyboard Moron

Also Islwyn just remember as you spill out your Bile on the People of these Isles the Biggest Genocidal Attrocities commited against Mankind have been made by Marxist/Communist/So
cialist Goverments!!..
STALIN,MAO,HITLER,PO
L POT,MUGABE..To name just a few!!

We not talking about them you sad sad sad muppet!we are talking about "british"people sitting in hypocritical judgement on folk of different religous/ethnic backgrounds it was the British Empire who invaded asia,africa & other corners of the world thus creating a commonwealth!Its this commonwealth that gives asians,africans,orie
ntals & other ethnic groups the right to come here on BRITISH passports!i personally dispise the whole concept of UK its outdated!So ive no problem in speaking my mind on whole subject of race religous tolerance immigration facism & dozy jingoistic bigots like you!Yep its easy to post on here & i love every moment of it!Why what you want to do Salem?Meet up for pistols @ dawn?Ha!Ha!Ha!God you really are stuck in the past arent you?You still got slaves working on your plantation in Blackwood then?

I thought Hitler was your idol Salem!You sound just like him!Ha!Ha!Ha!

One thing about the subjects of race religion and immigration it does polarise opinion, however i personaly feel that the level of personal abuse directed between posters on this forum is a disgrace and well beyond the boundaries of intelligent, intellectual debate, and, while it could just be an indicator of the depth of feeling aroused it does the persons or their arguements no favours.
Would it not make for better debate and resolution if posters made themselves aware of all relevant facts figures etc before making inflammatory statements on any subject especially one as sensitive as this.
i have found that a few minutes Googling the subject will give enough facts and figures to silence the loud but uninformed or occasionaly prove them right
cest la vie

All depends on who is putting "facts & figures"online!Even ONS has made some very inaccurate information availible,i.e.summer unemployment figures for Wales!Ive always found that personal experience often outweighs statistics as they can be manipulated to suit whatever cause is using them!Yes I freely admitt Westender that ive been outspoken on here but I for 1 cannot sit by & have mindless bigots like Salem pollute this forum with right wing bile!I will honour the name of my late father who brought me up to defend those who cannot defend themselves!I shall do this until the day I die!Mindless bullies like Salem cannot be allowed to run riot on these forums!As you know yourself he takes up an inflamatory position on ALL issues to attack popular opinion!

islwyn09
everyone is entitled to an opinion and so far, i repeat, so far we can express that opinion, robust arguement is in my humble opinion a good thing, but yah boo sucks name calling is self defeating as positions become entrenched and reinforced,
good solid undeniable facts always take the game.
Was the ONS problem you mention an accounting mistake or a poor guestimate or forecast?.
I wasnt aiming criticism at any one person but didnt you find ninetyeight posts getting increasingly abusive a bit silly and beneath the normally coherent arguement you employ?
excepting remarks about the Newport Gwent Dragqueens LOL

I noticed a similar march in LOndon also deteriorated into a co mplete farce because 'peace' marchers turned up to oppose a national party,who had already decided no show, and the 'peace' marchers turned on the police with bottles and missiles. Seems the new way far right groups use to make headlines is to suggest a march then wait for the peace mob to turn up (!), then don't go, allowing media to see peace marchers as no better than they are... It is obvious there are 'supporters' within these peace marchers who go for the punch ups too... If it cost Newport £100K for this time-wasting, what did it cost London ? £250K ? I think the peace marchers are being out-manouvered.

What I abserve about THE poster "Islwyn" is Typical of the Old Voters in Wales who would Vote Liebour because they Father did and his Father did etc etc.... It as often been said in this area "Put a Red Jacket and Rosette on a Donkey and they would Vote for it...Even when they Balls things UP its blamed on someone else never them!! And woe be tide Critsising,Disagreei
ng or Arguing with Them as the Modus Operandi is to attack censure and stifle any Oppinion that dont fit in with their Control Freak Idealogy by Personel Insults and Character Assinations....I have been accused by this Leftwing BIGOT(a word that he really loves to bandy around) of being a Adolf worshiping Nazi supporter which I am not in an earlier thread I clearly state that Abhor the Far Right as much as I Hate the Left both Idealogies Agendas are very Similar in that they want total over your Lives and have been responsible for the worst acts of Genocide on Mankind..Three of the worst perpetrators being STALIN,MAO and from the Rightwing HITLER who between them Massacred and Murdered Millions in the name of their perverted Ideals..this is why I will always seak out against Religions and Political Dogmas that take us down this road to Murder and Enslavement....But I expect Islwyn will reply to this and as per M.O. will try to twist what Ive said!!!

And back to the real debate......

Who on here is in favour of the 'Church' being turned into a 'Mosque'?

TCkity wrote:
And back to the real debate......

Who on here is in favour of the 'Church' being turned into a 'Mosque'?

It would have been best to have it as a NON RELIGIOUS Community Centre for the benifit of the Whole Community not just for the appeasement of the Minority