Thirty-two injured on Pontypool death-crash roundabout in four years

Thirty-two injured on Pontypool death-crash roundabout in four years

TRAGEDY: Rachel Hoare, whose son Luke Grace was killed in an accident at the roundabout in May

KILLED: Rachel Hoare with son Luke Grace

BUSY ROUNDABOUT: 32 people have been hurt in collisions here in just over four years

First published in News South Wales Argus: Photograph of the Author by

THIRTY-TWO people were injured in little over four years in collisions on a Gwent roundabout where a motorcyclist died.

The information was requested by the family of 20- year-old father-to-be Luke Grace, who died after his Yamaha DT125 motorbike was involved in a collision with a Ford Fiesta on the McDonald’s roundabout in Pontypool on May 19.

His mother, Rachel Hoare, 43, is campaigning for a better road layout, markings and improved signage to help prevent further deaths.

A Freedom of Information request submitted to Gwent Police by the family found there were 26 accidents on the roundabout, which connects the A4042 with the A472, between January 2008 and April 2012.

Of these incidents, four involved motorbikes, one involved a pedal cyclist and one involved a pedestrian.

No other people were killed but 32 people were injured, including 21 drivers, five passengers, four motorcyclists, a cyclist and a pedestrian.

Gwent Police do not keep records of non-injury collisions.

Mr Grace’s family say the busy roundabout is not clearly marked and is confusing for drivers.

It is believed he overtook a car travelling in the same left-hand lane as him from Pontypool towards Abergavenny, when the two collided. He was thrown from his bike and was pronounced dead at Newport’s Royal Gwent Hospital.

His mother has called for traffic-lights to be introduced at peak times, as well as lane markings to stop people cutting across other drivers’ paths.

Gwent Police said it could find no record of any complaints received about road safety or traffic management issues at the roundabout.

But as previously reported the Welsh Government is looking to make improvements at the site, including lane markings, changes to direction signs and vegetation clearance.

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12:05pm Wed 18 Jul 12

nehpets snave says...

It's not just the road markings it's also the standard of the roads. The standards of driving, the constant flouting of mobile phone use. For some unknown reason people become demons when behind the wheel.!!
It's not just the road markings it's also the standard of the roads. The standards of driving, the constant flouting of mobile phone use. For some unknown reason people become demons when behind the wheel.!! nehpets snave
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12:10pm Wed 18 Jul 12

mal92 says...

One of the main issues here is the regular "queue-jumpers" coming from the Cwmbran direction who use the straight ahead lane to queue-jump the lane turning left into Pontypool. The signs state the right-hand lane is for Abergavenny and the left-hand is for Pontypool.They constantly cut-across the traffic, with no indication. I have seen so many near misses and bumps there and the Police take no notice!
One of the main issues here is the regular "queue-jumpers" coming from the Cwmbran direction who use the straight ahead lane to queue-jump the lane turning left into Pontypool. The signs state the right-hand lane is for Abergavenny and the left-hand is for Pontypool.They constantly cut-across the traffic, with no indication. I have seen so many near misses and bumps there and the Police take no notice! mal92
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12:20pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Newport Dave says...

nehpets and mal92...

Excellent posts.
nehpets and mal92... Excellent posts. Newport Dave
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12:40pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Howie' says...

mal92 wrote:
One of the main issues here is the regular "queue-jumpers" coming from the Cwmbran direction who use the straight ahead lane to queue-jump the lane turning left into Pontypool. The signs state the right-hand lane is for Abergavenny and the left-hand is for Pontypool.They constantly cut-across the traffic, with no indication. I have seen so many near misses and bumps there and the Police take no notice!
The point you make about no indication is a good one, I am fed up with these idiots that go around roundabouts or change lanes without indicating & I understand that it is the cause of many collisions on roundabouts deaths on motorways.
[quote][p][bold]mal92[/bold] wrote: One of the main issues here is the regular "queue-jumpers" coming from the Cwmbran direction who use the straight ahead lane to queue-jump the lane turning left into Pontypool. The signs state the right-hand lane is for Abergavenny and the left-hand is for Pontypool.They constantly cut-across the traffic, with no indication. I have seen so many near misses and bumps there and the Police take no notice![/p][/quote]The point you make about no indication is a good one, I am fed up with these idiots that go around roundabouts or change lanes without indicating & I understand that it is the cause of many collisions on roundabouts deaths on motorways. Howie'
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1:59pm Wed 18 Jul 12

sightseeker says...

if its that bad put traffic lights there
if its that bad put traffic lights there sightseeker
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2:50pm Wed 18 Jul 12

mal92 says...

If we could we would! That's something for the authorities to sort out.
If we could we would! That's something for the authorities to sort out. mal92
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3:09pm Wed 18 Jul 12

ronnieontheroad1 says...

I agree re the comments on the queue jumpers on this roundabout. To top it all, whilst in the L/H lane going to Pontypool ten or days ago i was overtaken by a dark blue, unmarked Volvo Saloon Police Car, in the R/H lane, who turned off to Pontypool and then carried on his way to Hafodrynys at the next island. If your local traffic police are not going to respect the lane priorities here there's little hope for anyone else.
I agree re the comments on the queue jumpers on this roundabout. To top it all, whilst in the L/H lane going to Pontypool ten or days ago i was overtaken by a dark blue, unmarked Volvo Saloon Police Car, in the R/H lane, who turned off to Pontypool and then carried on his way to Hafodrynys at the next island. If your local traffic police are not going to respect the lane priorities here there's little hope for anyone else. ronnieontheroad1
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3:24pm Wed 18 Jul 12

diandai says...

It is not the roundabout that is the cause of the accidents that happen there.It is clearley the bad standard of driving that most drivers display when using roundabouts i:e making lane changes in the middle of the roundabout,non use of indicators to signal their intentions to other road users and generally driving as if they own the road and are the only vehicle on it.
It is not the roundabout that is the cause of the accidents that happen there.It is clearley the bad standard of driving that most drivers display when using roundabouts i:e making lane changes in the middle of the roundabout,non use of indicators to signal their intentions to other road users and generally driving as if they own the road and are the only vehicle on it. diandai
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5:05pm Wed 18 Jul 12

mal92 says...

I too have experienced the Police not bothering to indicate, especially on roundabouts. They are supposed to be an example to us all on how to behave. Would be great if we could get them to read these comments then maybe something might get done about this particular roundabout and their (police) declining driving standards
I too have experienced the Police not bothering to indicate, especially on roundabouts. They are supposed to be an example to us all on how to behave. Would be great if we could get them to read these comments then maybe something might get done about this particular roundabout and their (police) declining driving standards mal92
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8:54pm Wed 18 Jul 12

iandfox says...

If you witness police officers doing wrong then report them,reg number and time of day.
As for road signs and markings this would be a waste of time and money as it will make difference.
I have used this roundabout for many years and as with any road junction you need to treat every other driver as an idiot,this keeps your wits about you and less likely to have an accident.
If you witness police officers doing wrong then report them,reg number and time of day. As for road signs and markings this would be a waste of time and money as it will make difference. I have used this roundabout for many years and as with any road junction you need to treat every other driver as an idiot,this keeps your wits about you and less likely to have an accident. iandfox
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10:11am Thu 19 Jul 12

monkeyboy44 says...

The major point on this roundabout is people who stay in the near side lane from pontypool think they can go straight on to cwmbran.

It's not roadmarkings or signs, it's the highway code, the only way to enforce this is re-tests every say 3 years, but that is not going to happen.
The major point on this roundabout is people who stay in the near side lane from pontypool think they can go straight on to cwmbran. It's not roadmarkings or signs, it's the highway code, the only way to enforce this is re-tests every say 3 years, but that is not going to happen. monkeyboy44
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10:13am Thu 19 Jul 12

monkeyboy44 says...

forgot to add and agree with another post, the art of using 'indicators' is a thing of the past, must be atleast 8-10 cars dont indicate. i asusme new cars do come with indicators?
forgot to add and agree with another post, the art of using 'indicators' is a thing of the past, must be atleast 8-10 cars dont indicate. i asusme new cars do come with indicators? monkeyboy44
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6:17am Fri 20 Jul 12

Dolieboy says...

If there are these many accidents at a normal roundabout, I would like to see the figures for the ones where there are two lanes approaching the roundabout, but only one on the other side.
If there are these many accidents at a normal roundabout, I would like to see the figures for the ones where there are two lanes approaching the roundabout, but only one on the other side. Dolieboy
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6:19am Fri 20 Jul 12

Dolieboy says...

monkeyboy44 wrote:
The major point on this roundabout is people who stay in the near side lane from pontypool think they can go straight on to cwmbran.

It's not roadmarkings or signs, it's the highway code, the only way to enforce this is re-tests every say 3 years, but that is not going to happen.
Why not ? It's a dual carriageway both sides. As long as you don't cut across lanes and indicate, there is no problem.
[quote][p][bold]monkeyboy44[/bold] wrote: The major point on this roundabout is people who stay in the near side lane from pontypool think they can go straight on to cwmbran. It's not roadmarkings or signs, it's the highway code, the only way to enforce this is re-tests every say 3 years, but that is not going to happen.[/p][/quote]Why not ? It's a dual carriageway both sides. As long as you don't cut across lanes and indicate, there is no problem. Dolieboy
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7:49am Fri 20 Jul 12

westmon says...

One other problem on this roundabout is speed . they come around so fast that when someone has just pulled out at a slow speed.from a junction.they collide.people need to slow down. just because it is a dual carriageway doesnt mean you can use the both lanes. the lanes are marked.sometimes to help slower lorrys and buses get around them as well
One other problem on this roundabout is speed . they come around so fast that when someone has just pulled out at a slow speed.from a junction.they collide.people need to slow down. just because it is a dual carriageway doesnt mean you can use the both lanes. the lanes are marked.sometimes to help slower lorrys and buses get around them as well westmon
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12:21pm Fri 20 Jul 12

Anne teak says...

Of couRse this roundabout should be sorted out.what do we pay road tax for?

It is no use reporting any police officer, particularly in Gwent, as nothing will be done.

See the recent court case,concerning the death of the newspaper seller, if you don't believe me.
Of couRse this roundabout should be sorted out.what do we pay road tax for? It is no use reporting any police officer, particularly in Gwent, as nothing will be done. See the recent court case,concerning the death of the newspaper seller, if you don't believe me. Anne teak
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4:20pm Fri 20 Jul 12

Strider says...

It's not the roundabout but the brain-dead with large and small brains and the following mentality

1) I will not indicate!!!!

2) I will not be overtaken!!!

3) My next action will be a complete mystery even to myself

4) I will let myself be distracted by everything apart from whats going on the road..

Also how they speed up to stop other people getting 1 car in front of them on the roundabout, and then slow to a crawl...

Also the one cretin who was smoking and talking on the phone and crashed on that Roundabout, I'd be interested in the cirmcumstance's involving the injured drivers?
It's not the roundabout but the brain-dead with large and small brains and the following mentality 1) I will not indicate!!!! 2) I will not be overtaken!!! 3) My next action will be a complete mystery even to myself 4) I will let myself be distracted by everything apart from whats going on the road.. Also how they speed up to stop other people getting 1 car in front of them on the roundabout, and then slow to a crawl... Also the one cretin who was smoking and talking on the phone and crashed on that Roundabout, I'd be interested in the cirmcumstance's involving the injured drivers? Strider
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2:48pm Sat 21 Jul 12

alongfortheride says...

mal92 wrote:
One of the main issues here is the regular "queue-jumpers" coming from the Cwmbran direction who use the straight ahead lane to queue-jump the lane turning left into Pontypool. The signs state the right-hand lane is for Abergavenny and the left-hand is for Pontypool.They constantly cut-across the traffic, with no indication. I have seen so many near misses and bumps there and the Police take no notice!
it's not queue jumpers, you can go in the second lane and exit into the second lane, it's the morons in lane 1 going around an entire roundabout in the outside lane without indicating. Mal the Police are not there 24/7 they can't sit on every roundabout, the problem is the level of driving skill being non existant in most 'older' drivers who think they know how to use lane discipline because 'i've been driving for 20 years' I've seen more middle aged and older drivers pull stupid stunts there only to go nuts when they hear a horn blown at them because they are too 'elitist' to see that they cause alot of the problems.

You cannot go all the way around a roundabout in the left hand lane!

If you use lane 2 to turn left onto a dual carriageway then exit into lane 2. That is safe as the driver in lane 1 can only exit into lane 1 anyway

Use your indicators!!
[quote][p][bold]mal92[/bold] wrote: One of the main issues here is the regular "queue-jumpers" coming from the Cwmbran direction who use the straight ahead lane to queue-jump the lane turning left into Pontypool. The signs state the right-hand lane is for Abergavenny and the left-hand is for Pontypool.They constantly cut-across the traffic, with no indication. I have seen so many near misses and bumps there and the Police take no notice![/p][/quote]it's not queue jumpers, you can go in the second lane and exit into the second lane, it's the morons in lane 1 going around an entire roundabout in the outside lane without indicating. Mal the Police are not there 24/7 they can't sit on every roundabout, the problem is the level of driving skill being non existant in most 'older' drivers who think they know how to use lane discipline because 'i've been driving for 20 years' I've seen more middle aged and older drivers pull stupid stunts there only to go nuts when they hear a horn blown at them because they are too 'elitist' to see that they cause alot of the problems. You cannot go all the way around a roundabout in the left hand lane! If you use lane 2 to turn left onto a dual carriageway then exit into lane 2. That is safe as the driver in lane 1 can only exit into lane 1 anyway Use your indicators!! alongfortheride
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2:53pm Sat 21 Jul 12

alongfortheride says...

Anne teak wrote:
Of couRse this roundabout should be sorted out.what do we pay road tax for?

It is no use reporting any police officer, particularly in Gwent, as nothing will be done.

See the recent court case,concerning the death of the newspaper seller, if you don't believe me.
I for one would be happy for my local officer to be placed on a roundabout to watch for idiot drivers committing minor offences, it's not realistic and doesn't work like that
[quote][p][bold]Anne teak[/bold] wrote: Of couRse this roundabout should be sorted out.what do we pay road tax for? It is no use reporting any police officer, particularly in Gwent, as nothing will be done. See the recent court case,concerning the death of the newspaper seller, if you don't believe me.[/p][/quote]I for one would be happy for my local officer to be placed on a roundabout to watch for idiot drivers committing minor offences, it's not realistic and doesn't work like that alongfortheride
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2:55pm Sat 21 Jul 12

alongfortheride says...

mal92 wrote:
I too have experienced the Police not bothering to indicate, especially on roundabouts. They are supposed to be an example to us all on how to behave. Would be great if we could get them to read these comments then maybe something might get done about this particular roundabout and their (police) declining driving standards
I always thought the highway code stated you do not have to indicate when coming off a roundabout if you are in a dedicated lane, or in a lane where your exit is obvious. If people are in the right lanes then there is not always a need to indicate unless to tell those waiting to enter the roundabout that you are about to exit.
[quote][p][bold]mal92[/bold] wrote: I too have experienced the Police not bothering to indicate, especially on roundabouts. They are supposed to be an example to us all on how to behave. Would be great if we could get them to read these comments then maybe something might get done about this particular roundabout and their (police) declining driving standards[/p][/quote]I always thought the highway code stated you do not have to indicate when coming off a roundabout if you are in a dedicated lane, or in a lane where your exit is obvious. If people are in the right lanes then there is not always a need to indicate unless to tell those waiting to enter the roundabout that you are about to exit. alongfortheride
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3:07pm Sat 21 Jul 12

alongfortheride says...

alongfortheride wrote:
Anne teak wrote:
Of couRse this roundabout should be sorted out.what do we pay road tax for?

It is no use reporting any police officer, particularly in Gwent, as nothing will be done.

See the recent court case,concerning the death of the newspaper seller, if you don't believe me.
I for one would be happy for my local officer to be placed on a roundabout to watch for idiot drivers committing minor offences, it's not realistic and doesn't work like that
And Anne what has that got to do with Gwent Police? Your comment is as bigot and pointless as you are. It's a good job I don't judge the intelligence of the 6 billion people in the world on your comments the same way you have just judged every police officer and police force on an incident that occurred in London during riots and where you or I no doubt do not know all the facts. Keep your factitious nonsense to yourself and only contribute if you have something worth contributing.

*Better lane markings is what the roundabout could do with to guide those who have forgotten lane discipline. In fairness they do this on most roundabouts now anyway.*
[quote][p][bold]alongfortheride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne teak[/bold] wrote: Of couRse this roundabout should be sorted out.what do we pay road tax for? It is no use reporting any police officer, particularly in Gwent, as nothing will be done. See the recent court case,concerning the death of the newspaper seller, if you don't believe me.[/p][/quote]I for one would be happy for my local officer to be placed on a roundabout to watch for idiot drivers committing minor offences, it's not realistic and doesn't work like that[/p][/quote]And Anne what has that got to do with Gwent Police? Your comment is as bigot and pointless as you are. It's a good job I don't judge the intelligence of the 6 billion people in the world on your comments the same way you have just judged every police officer and police force on an incident that occurred in London during riots and where you or I no doubt do not know all the facts. Keep your factitious nonsense to yourself and only contribute if you have something worth contributing. *Better lane markings is what the roundabout could do with to guide those who have forgotten lane discipline. In fairness they do this on most roundabouts now anyway.* alongfortheride
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10:22am Mon 23 Jul 12

KARENBUCK says...

My Mother also had a crash in the exact same place, wen a car pushed her up the Abergavenny road she just missed the lampost which this poor boy hit, and the other driver had the cheak to say my mother was in the wrong lane, she was going to Mc donalds wwith all the grand kids n the car !! This round about is way too fast and people in wrong lanes are a major issue such a sad loss !
My Mother also had a crash in the exact same place, wen a car pushed her up the Abergavenny road she just missed the lampost which this poor boy hit, and the other driver had the cheak to say my mother was in the wrong lane, she was going to Mc donalds wwith all the grand kids n the car !! This round about is way too fast and people in wrong lanes are a major issue such a sad loss ! KARENBUCK
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