More calls for Newport relief road after M4 traffic chaos

Traffic Chaos after tanker crash in the Brynglas Tunnels in Newport.The Chepstow Road near to the Celtic Manor is gridlocked following the closure of the M4 on Tuesday morning. (3545837)

Traffic Chaos after tanker crash in the Brynglas Tunnels in Newport. The Southern Distributor Road at Llanwern is gridlocked following the closure of the M4 on Tuesday morning. (3545839)

Traffic Chaos after tanker crash in the Brynglas Tunnels in Newport. The Southern Distributor Road at Llanwern is gridlocked following the closure of the M4 on Tuesday morning. (3545845)

Traffic Chaos after tanker crash in the Brynglas Tunnels in Newport. The Southern Distributor Road at Llanwern is gridlocked following the closure of the M4 on Tuesday morning. (3545847)

Following a road traffic collision between two HGV vehicles in the Brynglas Tunnel. The M4 motorway has closed, leaving large volumes of traffic congestion around the Newport area. Pictured is Cardiff Road in Maesglas. (3543761)

Following a road traffic collision between two HGV vehicles in the Brynglas Tunnel. The M4 motorway has closed, leaving large volumes of traffic congestion around the Newport area. Pictured is Cardiff Road in Maesglas. (3543763)

Lorry RTC in the Brynglas tunnels. Chris Prior from Usk. A friend of mine was driving the lorry that collided with the tanker. Driver is fine. (3543003)

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CALLS for a relief road to the M4 were renewed yesterday when an early morning accident in Brynglas Tunnels caused traffic chaos across the city – closing the main artery for four hours, and leaving other routes into the city jammed with traffic.

The M4 was closed westbound shortly before 6.30am when a lorry collided with a tanker, resulting in miles of tailbacks and bumper-to-bumper misery for commuters on the A48 Southern Distributor Road (SDR), the A4042, the A449 southbound, and Cardiff Road, Newport.

No-one was hurt in the crash, but the M4 only re-opened around 10am following recovery of one of the vehicles which had to be “lifted” from the scene due to “severe damage”.

The disruption came a day after a traffic light failure at the Forge Road/ Tredegar Park junction in Newport, which also caused considerable delays.

Matthew Evans, head of the Tory group on Newport City Council, took to social media sites to express his frustration.

“Tired of saying the same thing about the M4 and much needed relief road,” he Tweeted. “Decades of broken promises and we are still consulting.”

Speaking later to the Argus, he said Newport has the “unenviable reputation of being one of the UK’s bottleneck hotspots”.

“This has to change,” he added. “It has been two days of chaos and there is no end in sight.

“The Welsh Government really needs to grab the bull by the horns now and make a start.”

South East Wales AM William Graham said he intended to raise the issue at the Welsh Assembly yesterday afternoon.

“We need a true relief road, and hopefully that is the long-term solution, but we also need an interim solution to tackle blockages now,” he said.

“But is also goes to show that the SDR is incapable of handling the immense volume of traffic.”

Wildlife Trusts Wales backed calls for Professor Stuart Cole’s £380 million ‘blue route’ proposal to update the A48 using part of the SDR – an alternative to a £1 billion three-lane motorway on the Gwent Levels – after the tunnel crash.

James Byrne, living landscapes manager for the trust said: “The choice between options is clear: the Blue Route would be built more quickly, is substantially cheaper and is significantly less damaging that the other options proposed.”

Professor Cole said: “We need an additional piece of high-quality highway. It is important for costs and the image of Wales. Wales must be seen to be open for business, and always open.”

Alan Edwards, president of Newport’s Chamber of Trade, called it a “disaster” for the city centre when the M4 shuts down.

He said: “People can’t get into their businesses and it puts people off coming in to Newport, if they hear about delays.”

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10:42am Wed 22 Jan 14

rightsideup says...

How much longer?.For God's sake get on with it!...........
How much longer?.For God's sake get on with it!........... rightsideup
  • Score: 22

10:46am Wed 22 Jan 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

At least William Graham MP is raising this issue (unlike Butler and Griffiths who never say anything), but i'm afraid Mr Graham is too polite. This chaos is a result of WAG cancelling the relief road in 2009 and wasting a small furtune 'upgrading' the M4 that caused years of disruption and achieved nothing. Why do we bother electing MPs, AMs and Councillors who won't rock the boat - they should be causing an absolute storm in the WAG and House of Commons about this disgrace. The vast majority of people that live in the area or pass through the area are fed up with the NIMBYs and self-publicising consultants and misguided greens who keep raising more silly compromise options that wont work - just like last time around. Learn for the mistake. None of the politicians or other objectors take responsibility for this chaos, deaths, injuries and economic impacts. MPs, AMs and councillors - show some guts, stand up and be counted because you've lost my vote and the votes of many others on this issue alone. Do something good for Newport and Wales for once - get the relief road started.
At least William Graham MP is raising this issue (unlike Butler and Griffiths who never say anything), but i'm afraid Mr Graham is too polite. This chaos is a result of WAG cancelling the relief road in 2009 and wasting a small furtune 'upgrading' the M4 that caused years of disruption and achieved nothing. Why do we bother electing MPs, AMs and Councillors who won't rock the boat - they should be causing an absolute storm in the WAG and House of Commons about this disgrace. The vast majority of people that live in the area or pass through the area are fed up with the NIMBYs and self-publicising consultants and misguided greens who keep raising more silly compromise options that wont work - just like last time around. Learn for the mistake. None of the politicians or other objectors take responsibility for this chaos, deaths, injuries and economic impacts. MPs, AMs and councillors - show some guts, stand up and be counted because you've lost my vote and the votes of many others on this issue alone. Do something good for Newport and Wales for once - get the relief road started. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 29

11:04am Wed 22 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

There a number of things needed

A Newport Relief Road

The M4 Upgraded and improved through Newport

J28 Improved & widening of A48
There a number of things needed A Newport Relief Road The M4 Upgraded and improved through Newport J28 Improved & widening of A48 Bobevans
  • Score: 13

11:21am Wed 22 Jan 14

p stani says...

Its not rocket science is it,you cannot keep building new houses and buildings and keep the roads the same,and lets be honest the road system in Newport is sub standard engineering to say the least.
Its not rocket science is it,you cannot keep building new houses and buildings and keep the roads the same,and lets be honest the road system in Newport is sub standard engineering to say the least. p stani
  • Score: 24

11:32am Wed 22 Jan 14

_Bryan_ says...

Whenever there's an accident like this they might just well put up a sign on the Severn Bridge "Wales Closed". Yet another reason why so many companies prefer to invest their money on the other side of the border.
Whenever there's an accident like this they might just well put up a sign on the Severn Bridge "Wales Closed". Yet another reason why so many companies prefer to invest their money on the other side of the border. _Bryan_
  • Score: 24

12:00pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Thomas Cromwell says...

_Bryan_ wrote:
Whenever there's an accident like this they might just well put up a sign on the Severn Bridge "Wales Closed". Yet another reason why so many companies prefer to invest their money on the other side of the border.
"South Wales"
[quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: Whenever there's an accident like this they might just well put up a sign on the Severn Bridge "Wales Closed". Yet another reason why so many companies prefer to invest their money on the other side of the border.[/p][/quote]"South Wales" Thomas Cromwell
  • Score: 4

12:08pm Wed 22 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Yeah, let's spend a billion pounds because people can't drive properly or safely.
Yeah, let's spend a billion pounds because people can't drive properly or safely. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -20

12:33pm Wed 22 Jan 14

_Bryan_ says...

Thomas Cromwell wrote:
_Bryan_ wrote: Whenever there's an accident like this they might just well put up a sign on the Severn Bridge "Wales Closed". Yet another reason why so many companies prefer to invest their money on the other side of the border.
"South Wales"
I rather thought that went without saying, since large parts of North Wales are closed whether there's an accident or not.
[quote][p][bold]Thomas Cromwell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: Whenever there's an accident like this they might just well put up a sign on the Severn Bridge "Wales Closed". Yet another reason why so many companies prefer to invest their money on the other side of the border.[/p][/quote]"South Wales"[/p][/quote]I rather thought that went without saying, since large parts of North Wales are closed whether there's an accident or not. _Bryan_
  • Score: 3

12:40pm Wed 22 Jan 14

ryanbrickell says...

Start doing something about the drivers who cause these problems. Fine them or prosecute them as the knock-on effect from all these 'accidents' is ridiculous.
Start doing something about the drivers who cause these problems. Fine them or prosecute them as the knock-on effect from all these 'accidents' is ridiculous. ryanbrickell
  • Score: 2

12:57pm Wed 22 Jan 14

The Red Claw says...

Thomas O'Malley wrote:
At least William Graham MP is raising this issue (unlike Butler and Griffiths who never say anything), but i'm afraid Mr Graham is too polite. This chaos is a result of WAG cancelling the relief road in 2009 and wasting a small furtune 'upgrading' the M4 that caused years of disruption and achieved nothing. Why do we bother electing MPs, AMs and Councillors who won't rock the boat - they should be causing an absolute storm in the WAG and House of Commons about this disgrace. The vast majority of people that live in the area or pass through the area are fed up with the NIMBYs and self-publicising consultants and misguided greens who keep raising more silly compromise options that wont work - just like last time around. Learn for the mistake. None of the politicians or other objectors take responsibility for this chaos, deaths, injuries and economic impacts. MPs, AMs and councillors - show some guts, stand up and be counted because you've lost my vote and the votes of many others on this issue alone. Do something good for Newport and Wales for once - get the relief road started.
Well said. The 'upgrading' the M4 that caused years of disruption did achieve at least one primary but unstated objective. It is now far easier for MPs, AMs and Councillors to get to Cardiff.
[quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: At least William Graham MP is raising this issue (unlike Butler and Griffiths who never say anything), but i'm afraid Mr Graham is too polite. This chaos is a result of WAG cancelling the relief road in 2009 and wasting a small furtune 'upgrading' the M4 that caused years of disruption and achieved nothing. Why do we bother electing MPs, AMs and Councillors who won't rock the boat - they should be causing an absolute storm in the WAG and House of Commons about this disgrace. The vast majority of people that live in the area or pass through the area are fed up with the NIMBYs and self-publicising consultants and misguided greens who keep raising more silly compromise options that wont work - just like last time around. Learn for the mistake. None of the politicians or other objectors take responsibility for this chaos, deaths, injuries and economic impacts. MPs, AMs and councillors - show some guts, stand up and be counted because you've lost my vote and the votes of many others on this issue alone. Do something good for Newport and Wales for once - get the relief road started.[/p][/quote]Well said. The 'upgrading' the M4 that caused years of disruption did achieve at least one primary but unstated objective. It is now far easier for MPs, AMs and Councillors to get to Cardiff. The Red Claw
  • Score: 11

1:33pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Jo_Williams says...

The lights on the Tredegar Park and Patent Office roundabouts cause a lot of congestion problems. When the lights are off at the PO roundabout, the traffic flows freely and there are very few queues. Once they're switched on - traffic backs up in all directions. Either have a roundabout OR traffic lights, not both!!
The lights on the Tredegar Park and Patent Office roundabouts cause a lot of congestion problems. When the lights are off at the PO roundabout, the traffic flows freely and there are very few queues. Once they're switched on - traffic backs up in all directions. Either have a roundabout OR traffic lights, not both!! Jo_Williams
  • Score: 14

1:54pm Wed 22 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Jo_Williams wrote:
The lights on the Tredegar Park and Patent Office roundabouts cause a lot of congestion problems. When the lights are off at the PO roundabout, the traffic flows freely and there are very few queues. Once they're switched on - traffic backs up in all directions. Either have a roundabout OR traffic lights, not both!!
It seems to me, (though I could be mistaken) that when the lights are on in the evening rush, the lights for the queue from the patent office allows far more cars through than the lights leading from the M4 junction. I'd be interested if anyone else has spotted this too.
[quote][p][bold]Jo_Williams[/bold] wrote: The lights on the Tredegar Park and Patent Office roundabouts cause a lot of congestion problems. When the lights are off at the PO roundabout, the traffic flows freely and there are very few queues. Once they're switched on - traffic backs up in all directions. Either have a roundabout OR traffic lights, not both!![/p][/quote]It seems to me, (though I could be mistaken) that when the lights are on in the evening rush, the lights for the queue from the patent office allows far more cars through than the lights leading from the M4 junction. I'd be interested if anyone else has spotted this too. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 6

2:21pm Wed 22 Jan 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

I really don't get it at all, the only option is to build a new road, the choice is glaringly obvious, upgrading existing routes is just idiotic, as what happens to the traffic during the upgrading. Atleast building a new road will allow the contractors to just get on with it and once it's done it's done. How much inward investment has and will continue to be lost because businesses see the current situation as a hinderance. I think it's about time they consulted with businesses as well. We've all heard from the green bragade, and although thier views have a point and I will agree that we can not just build where we want and destroy wild life but we need to live our lives too. Like I keep saying the new road must just be a relief road and the current m4 used as local access to the motorway network. I'm just dreading the fact that they will introduce a toll for this road which will just turn people against the idea and it wont be built. Please please please see sense and do the right thing. Upgrading the sdr is just stupid, ultimatly it will need to be practically a new road anyway.

The problem isn't bad drivers, it's the fact that during the day and especially rush hour times the motorway is too crowded. The accident happened yesterday due to a wheel being on the carridgeway and according to a comment that the accident could have been alot worse, so I don't see how that accident could be marked down to bad driving, quite the opposite actually, as it was just an accident and not a fatality. I hate driving on that section of motorway as I never feel safe and you need eyes in the back of your head because it's just too cramped, reducing the speed just reduces the distance you leave between vehicles so this will just lead to more accidents.
I really don't get it at all, the only option is to build a new road, the choice is glaringly obvious, upgrading existing routes is just idiotic, as what happens to the traffic during the upgrading. Atleast building a new road will allow the contractors to just get on with it and once it's done it's done. How much inward investment has and will continue to be lost because businesses see the current situation as a hinderance. I think it's about time they consulted with businesses as well. We've all heard from the green bragade, and although thier views have a point and I will agree that we can not just build where we want and destroy wild life but we need to live our lives too. Like I keep saying the new road must just be a relief road and the current m4 used as local access to the motorway network. I'm just dreading the fact that they will introduce a toll for this road which will just turn people against the idea and it wont be built. Please please please see sense and do the right thing. Upgrading the sdr is just stupid, ultimatly it will need to be practically a new road anyway. The problem isn't bad drivers, it's the fact that during the day and especially rush hour times the motorway is too crowded. The accident happened yesterday due to a wheel being on the carridgeway and according to a comment that the accident could have been alot worse, so I don't see how that accident could be marked down to bad driving, quite the opposite actually, as it was just an accident and not a fatality. I hate driving on that section of motorway as I never feel safe and you need eyes in the back of your head because it's just too cramped, reducing the speed just reduces the distance you leave between vehicles so this will just lead to more accidents. grumpyandopinionated
  • Score: 10

2:49pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

ryanbrickell wrote:
Start doing something about the drivers who cause these problems. Fine them or prosecute them as the knock-on effect from all these 'accidents' is ridiculous.
The police and courts already prosecute drivers for careless driving, driving without due care and other offences. There is no clue in this report that driver error was the cause but if either driver is at fault they'll be prosecuted - there's cameras everywhere on this stretch. The fact remains this stretch narrowed to 2 lanes through tunnels isn't forgiving and when there is an incident there is no viable alternative route.
[quote][p][bold]ryanbrickell[/bold] wrote: Start doing something about the drivers who cause these problems. Fine them or prosecute them as the knock-on effect from all these 'accidents' is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]The police and courts already prosecute drivers for careless driving, driving without due care and other offences. There is no clue in this report that driver error was the cause but if either driver is at fault they'll be prosecuted - there's cameras everywhere on this stretch. The fact remains this stretch narrowed to 2 lanes through tunnels isn't forgiving and when there is an incident there is no viable alternative route. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 6

3:39pm Wed 22 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Let's forget for a minute about all other considerations. Am I the only one who wonders why this scheme has a billion pound pricetag?

Let's compare, for example, to the HS2 - £50 billion to pay for hundreds of miles of high speed rail track, rolling stock, miles of tunnels, numerous bridges and station improvements... are we really expected to believe these few short miles of road pavement will cost 1/50th the cost of a major precision engineered project?

Also, I used to be a civil engineer, and a few years ago worked on the Stansted to Braintree bypass, which fully opened in 2007 - very similar project. Was a handfull of miles shorter, and only two lanes - cost around £90million. Now even if you account for those differences and then triple the cost, you'd still have half a billion left in the bank from this projects' projected cost.

Why is this costing so much - and why is no one else asking that question?
Let's forget for a minute about all other considerations. Am I the only one who wonders why this scheme has a billion pound pricetag? Let's compare, for example, to the HS2 - £50 billion to pay for hundreds of miles of high speed rail track, rolling stock, miles of tunnels, numerous bridges and station improvements... are we really expected to believe these few short miles of road pavement will cost 1/50th the cost of a major precision engineered project? Also, I used to be a civil engineer, and a few years ago worked on the Stansted to Braintree bypass, which fully opened in 2007 - very similar project. Was a handfull of miles shorter, and only two lanes - cost around £90million. Now even if you account for those differences and then triple the cost, you'd still have half a billion left in the bank from this projects' projected cost. Why is this costing so much - and why is no one else asking that question? GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 5

4:53pm Wed 22 Jan 14

varteg1 says...

I recall all the bother re then new junction with Mendelgief Road and Cardiff road.

They took away the roundabout, and installed ATS,much to everyone';s concern, where traffic was liable to back up somewhat at rush hours mainly, once those lights were switched on, traffic build up was almost permanent depending on which direction one approached the junction.
I still have a copy of the letter sent by Gwent police to whichever authority was responsible for the modified junction.
I received a similar reply that the police received, to the effect that once the SDR, ( Southern Distributor road) was opened, all would be well

So far I see little improvement, if anything the build up of traffic at peak times is far worse than ever it was when the roundabout was in place.
I have witnessed on more than a few occasions, ambulances and police vehicles being slowed, with the potential for fatal outcome as they have tried to snake their way through the junction when the lights are against them.

This makes me think unless a completely new road is constructed, all we will get is more of the same, the old make do and mend nonsense. which is more or less what the SDR is.
I recall all the bother re then new junction with Mendelgief Road and Cardiff road. They took away the roundabout, and installed ATS,much to everyone';s concern, where traffic was liable to back up somewhat at rush hours mainly, once those lights were switched on, traffic build up was almost permanent depending on which direction one approached the junction. I still have a copy of the letter sent by Gwent police to whichever authority was responsible for the modified junction. I received a similar reply that the police received, to the effect that once the SDR, ( Southern Distributor road) was opened, all would be well So far I see little improvement, if anything the build up of traffic at peak times is far worse than ever it was when the roundabout was in place. I have witnessed on more than a few occasions, ambulances and police vehicles being slowed, with the potential for fatal outcome as they have tried to snake their way through the junction when the lights are against them. This makes me think unless a completely new road is constructed, all we will get is more of the same, the old make do and mend nonsense. which is more or less what the SDR is. varteg1
  • Score: 6

5:43pm Wed 22 Jan 14

pjwivell says...

I was working with the men who first built the pilot tunnel for the Brynglas Tunnels, and everyone of them said that within ten years of the tunnels being opened the motorway around Newport, and more so the tunnels would be too small to take the volume of traffic. It was also said that it would be cheaper to have just cut straight through Brynglas hill and put two bridges for Brynglas Road and the top of Redland Street. But even though the suggestion was put to the surveyors who were in charge of the tunnel contract, nothing was done. Now it's come back with all teeth snapping at those who refused to listen to the miners. The SDR is now the same it's too small, has too many roundabouts, and traffic control lights to add to the problem. The only alternative is a new relief road from the Magor junction and totally pass Newport altogether. The green people don't like it because of the wildlife trust but it's better the relief road put across part of the wetlands than spending millions upgrading the SDR that will still cause traffic tailbacks when the next load of accidents happen in the tunnels.
I was working with the men who first built the pilot tunnel for the Brynglas Tunnels, and everyone of them said that within ten years of the tunnels being opened the motorway around Newport, and more so the tunnels would be too small to take the volume of traffic. It was also said that it would be cheaper to have just cut straight through Brynglas hill and put two bridges for Brynglas Road and the top of Redland Street. But even though the suggestion was put to the surveyors who were in charge of the tunnel contract, nothing was done. Now it's come back with all teeth snapping at those who refused to listen to the miners. The SDR is now the same it's too small, has too many roundabouts, and traffic control lights to add to the problem. The only alternative is a new relief road from the Magor junction and totally pass Newport altogether. The green people don't like it because of the wildlife trust but it's better the relief road put across part of the wetlands than spending millions upgrading the SDR that will still cause traffic tailbacks when the next load of accidents happen in the tunnels. pjwivell
  • Score: 6

8:57pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Jonnytrouble says...

Thomas O'Malley wrote:
At least William Graham MP is raising this issue (unlike Butler and Griffiths who never say anything), but i'm afraid Mr Graham is too polite. This chaos is a result of WAG cancelling the relief road in 2009 and wasting a small furtune 'upgrading' the M4 that caused years of disruption and achieved nothing. Why do we bother electing MPs, AMs and Councillors who won't rock the boat - they should be causing an absolute storm in the WAG and House of Commons about this disgrace. The vast majority of people that live in the area or pass through the area are fed up with the NIMBYs and self-publicising consultants and misguided greens who keep raising more silly compromise options that wont work - just like last time around. Learn for the mistake. None of the politicians or other objectors take responsibility for this chaos, deaths, injuries and economic impacts. MPs, AMs and councillors - show some guts, stand up and be counted because you've lost my vote and the votes of many others on this issue alone. Do something good for Newport and Wales for once - get the relief road started.
Too right, im going to do the same, but I don't want to lose my chance to vote so I hope when we have the next elections people WILL vote other party to shake this lot up !!! maybe UKIP ? a wake up call to get them thinking ?
[quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: At least William Graham MP is raising this issue (unlike Butler and Griffiths who never say anything), but i'm afraid Mr Graham is too polite. This chaos is a result of WAG cancelling the relief road in 2009 and wasting a small furtune 'upgrading' the M4 that caused years of disruption and achieved nothing. Why do we bother electing MPs, AMs and Councillors who won't rock the boat - they should be causing an absolute storm in the WAG and House of Commons about this disgrace. The vast majority of people that live in the area or pass through the area are fed up with the NIMBYs and self-publicising consultants and misguided greens who keep raising more silly compromise options that wont work - just like last time around. Learn for the mistake. None of the politicians or other objectors take responsibility for this chaos, deaths, injuries and economic impacts. MPs, AMs and councillors - show some guts, stand up and be counted because you've lost my vote and the votes of many others on this issue alone. Do something good for Newport and Wales for once - get the relief road started.[/p][/quote]Too right, im going to do the same, but I don't want to lose my chance to vote so I hope when we have the next elections people WILL vote other party to shake this lot up !!! maybe UKIP ? a wake up call to get them thinking ? Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 4

9:00pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Jonnytrouble says...

_Bryan_ wrote:
Thomas Cromwell wrote:
_Bryan_ wrote: Whenever there's an accident like this they might just well put up a sign on the Severn Bridge "Wales Closed". Yet another reason why so many companies prefer to invest their money on the other side of the border.
"South Wales"
I rather thought that went without saying, since large parts of North Wales are closed whether there's an accident or not.
That is North Wales we are talking South wales where we live
[quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas Cromwell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: Whenever there's an accident like this they might just well put up a sign on the Severn Bridge "Wales Closed". Yet another reason why so many companies prefer to invest their money on the other side of the border.[/p][/quote]"South Wales"[/p][/quote]I rather thought that went without saying, since large parts of North Wales are closed whether there's an accident or not.[/p][/quote]That is North Wales we are talking South wales where we live Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 1

9:05pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Jonnytrouble says...

grumpyandopinionated wrote:
I really don't get it at all, the only option is to build a new road, the choice is glaringly obvious, upgrading existing routes is just idiotic, as what happens to the traffic during the upgrading. Atleast building a new road will allow the contractors to just get on with it and once it's done it's done. How much inward investment has and will continue to be lost because businesses see the current situation as a hinderance. I think it's about time they consulted with businesses as well. We've all heard from the green bragade, and although thier views have a point and I will agree that we can not just build where we want and destroy wild life but we need to live our lives too. Like I keep saying the new road must just be a relief road and the current m4 used as local access to the motorway network. I'm just dreading the fact that they will introduce a toll for this road which will just turn people against the idea and it wont be built. Please please please see sense and do the right thing. Upgrading the sdr is just stupid, ultimatly it will need to be practically a new road anyway.

The problem isn't bad drivers, it's the fact that during the day and especially rush hour times the motorway is too crowded. The accident happened yesterday due to a wheel being on the carridgeway and according to a comment that the accident could have been alot worse, so I don't see how that accident could be marked down to bad driving, quite the opposite actually, as it was just an accident and not a fatality. I hate driving on that section of motorway as I never feel safe and you need eyes in the back of your head because it's just too cramped, reducing the speed just reduces the distance you leave between vehicles so this will just lead to more accidents.
It's an over crowded race track at peak times !, goes back to the day's of the A48 Newport to Cardiff before that section of M4 was built for those old enough to remember ? a race track and death track !!!!
[quote][p][bold]grumpyandopinionated[/bold] wrote: I really don't get it at all, the only option is to build a new road, the choice is glaringly obvious, upgrading existing routes is just idiotic, as what happens to the traffic during the upgrading. Atleast building a new road will allow the contractors to just get on with it and once it's done it's done. How much inward investment has and will continue to be lost because businesses see the current situation as a hinderance. I think it's about time they consulted with businesses as well. We've all heard from the green bragade, and although thier views have a point and I will agree that we can not just build where we want and destroy wild life but we need to live our lives too. Like I keep saying the new road must just be a relief road and the current m4 used as local access to the motorway network. I'm just dreading the fact that they will introduce a toll for this road which will just turn people against the idea and it wont be built. Please please please see sense and do the right thing. Upgrading the sdr is just stupid, ultimatly it will need to be practically a new road anyway. The problem isn't bad drivers, it's the fact that during the day and especially rush hour times the motorway is too crowded. The accident happened yesterday due to a wheel being on the carridgeway and according to a comment that the accident could have been alot worse, so I don't see how that accident could be marked down to bad driving, quite the opposite actually, as it was just an accident and not a fatality. I hate driving on that section of motorway as I never feel safe and you need eyes in the back of your head because it's just too cramped, reducing the speed just reduces the distance you leave between vehicles so this will just lead to more accidents.[/p][/quote]It's an over crowded race track at peak times !, goes back to the day's of the A48 Newport to Cardiff before that section of M4 was built for those old enough to remember ? a race track and death track !!!! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 4

9:49am Thu 23 Jan 14

keithbob says...

pjwivell wrote:
I was working with the men who first built the pilot tunnel for the Brynglas Tunnels, and everyone of them said that within ten years of the tunnels being opened the motorway around Newport, and more so the tunnels would be too small to take the volume of traffic. It was also said that it would be cheaper to have just cut straight through Brynglas hill and put two bridges for Brynglas Road and the top of Redland Street. But even though the suggestion was put to the surveyors who were in charge of the tunnel contract, nothing was done. Now it's come back with all teeth snapping at those who refused to listen to the miners. The SDR is now the same it's too small, has too many roundabouts, and traffic control lights to add to the problem. The only alternative is a new relief road from the Magor junction and totally pass Newport altogether. The green people don't like it because of the wildlife trust but it's better the relief road put across part of the wetlands than spending millions upgrading the SDR that will still cause traffic tailbacks when the next load of accidents happen in the tunnels.
spot on pj.this is exactly what i believe.the tunnels are not fit for purpose and neither is the badly designed SDR.the route you suggested has to be the only answer,but it just seems to me its all talk and no action.
[quote][p][bold]pjwivell[/bold] wrote: I was working with the men who first built the pilot tunnel for the Brynglas Tunnels, and everyone of them said that within ten years of the tunnels being opened the motorway around Newport, and more so the tunnels would be too small to take the volume of traffic. It was also said that it would be cheaper to have just cut straight through Brynglas hill and put two bridges for Brynglas Road and the top of Redland Street. But even though the suggestion was put to the surveyors who were in charge of the tunnel contract, nothing was done. Now it's come back with all teeth snapping at those who refused to listen to the miners. The SDR is now the same it's too small, has too many roundabouts, and traffic control lights to add to the problem. The only alternative is a new relief road from the Magor junction and totally pass Newport altogether. The green people don't like it because of the wildlife trust but it's better the relief road put across part of the wetlands than spending millions upgrading the SDR that will still cause traffic tailbacks when the next load of accidents happen in the tunnels.[/p][/quote]spot on pj.this is exactly what i believe.the tunnels are not fit for purpose and neither is the badly designed SDR.the route you suggested has to be the only answer,but it just seems to me its all talk and no action. keithbob
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9:49am Thu 23 Jan 14

keithbob says...

pjwivell wrote:
I was working with the men who first built the pilot tunnel for the Brynglas Tunnels, and everyone of them said that within ten years of the tunnels being opened the motorway around Newport, and more so the tunnels would be too small to take the volume of traffic. It was also said that it would be cheaper to have just cut straight through Brynglas hill and put two bridges for Brynglas Road and the top of Redland Street. But even though the suggestion was put to the surveyors who were in charge of the tunnel contract, nothing was done. Now it's come back with all teeth snapping at those who refused to listen to the miners. The SDR is now the same it's too small, has too many roundabouts, and traffic control lights to add to the problem. The only alternative is a new relief road from the Magor junction and totally pass Newport altogether. The green people don't like it because of the wildlife trust but it's better the relief road put across part of the wetlands than spending millions upgrading the SDR that will still cause traffic tailbacks when the next load of accidents happen in the tunnels.
spot on pj.this is exactly what i believe.the tunnels are not fit for purpose and neither is the badly designed SDR.the route you suggested has to be the only answer,but it just seems to me its all talk and no action.
[quote][p][bold]pjwivell[/bold] wrote: I was working with the men who first built the pilot tunnel for the Brynglas Tunnels, and everyone of them said that within ten years of the tunnels being opened the motorway around Newport, and more so the tunnels would be too small to take the volume of traffic. It was also said that it would be cheaper to have just cut straight through Brynglas hill and put two bridges for Brynglas Road and the top of Redland Street. But even though the suggestion was put to the surveyors who were in charge of the tunnel contract, nothing was done. Now it's come back with all teeth snapping at those who refused to listen to the miners. The SDR is now the same it's too small, has too many roundabouts, and traffic control lights to add to the problem. The only alternative is a new relief road from the Magor junction and totally pass Newport altogether. The green people don't like it because of the wildlife trust but it's better the relief road put across part of the wetlands than spending millions upgrading the SDR that will still cause traffic tailbacks when the next load of accidents happen in the tunnels.[/p][/quote]spot on pj.this is exactly what i believe.the tunnels are not fit for purpose and neither is the badly designed SDR.the route you suggested has to be the only answer,but it just seems to me its all talk and no action. keithbob
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