Anger as Newport bus station escapes smoking ban

South Wales Argus: SMOKING ALLOWED: Newport's new bus station SMOKING ALLOWED: Newport's new bus station

A RESIDENT who was forced to leave Newport bus station due to those smoking around her has expressed her horror at discovering smoking is permitted in the new station.

Helen Crimmins of Bassaleg, was at the city bus station taking shelter from the rain last Friday.

She said: “I couldn’t wait there because of the smoking. I looked around for the no-smoking signs but couldn’t see any.”

Ms Crimmins has lived in Newport all her life and “cannot stand” smoking. After her experience, she contacted the council and received a response from senior trading standards officer Pete Luff.

Mr Luff referred to the Health Act 2006 and the Smoke-free Premises etc. (Wales) Regulations 2007, which prohibits smoking in public areas and places of work that are enclosed or predominantly enclosed.

In his response, Mr Luff said: “I have visited the new Newport City bus station and determined the area undercover, does not meet the definition of substantially enclosed and therefore is not smoke-free premises as defined by the regulations and therefore the smoke-free regulations do not apply to that area.” But this did not appease Ms Crimmins who said: “Whether it’s a legal requirement or not – it’s a public area so it shouldn’t be that way. It’s such a shame. I won’t go to the bus station while it’s like this.”

Newport train station is a no-smoking area – as was the previous bus station.

Newport Council has said it, “fully supports and understands” the views of non-smokers and the concerns of Ms Crimmins, but said they cannot legally prohibit people from smoking as it is not classed within government legislation as a substantially enclosed space.

A council spokesperson said: “While the council cannot legally prevent people smoking there, it in no way supports smoking in public spaces and will do what it can to actively discourage smoking in the area. It is exploring what it can do within its legal powers to prevent people smoking there.”

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8:07am Tue 18 Feb 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

It's strange; smoking in cars with children has just been banned but apparently it's okay for children (and adults) to become victim to passive smoking so long as they are bus passengers. Medical science has proven that smoking is bad for you to the extent that it is deadly. Whilst it is an individual's right to smoke despite all the damage to health that it causes, those who do not wish to smoke should not be forced to endure their health being damaged through no choice of their own. As we bus passengers tend to be poorer folk who cannot afford cars or rapidly increasing train fares then there is also a class issue here. Statistics show that people in economically deprived areas like Newport have much less of a life expentency than those in wealthier areas. In the sixth richest country in the world why is such a disparity accepted without question? Is it because there is no other country in the world with such a notoriously long standing tradition where we are brainwashed by the socio-political economic establishment into 'knowing our place' and meekly accepting our subservient unchangeable role in life?
It's strange; smoking in cars with children has just been banned but apparently it's okay for children (and adults) to become victim to passive smoking so long as they are bus passengers. Medical science has proven that smoking is bad for you to the extent that it is deadly. Whilst it is an individual's right to smoke despite all the damage to health that it causes, those who do not wish to smoke should not be forced to endure their health being damaged through no choice of their own. As we bus passengers tend to be poorer folk who cannot afford cars or rapidly increasing train fares then there is also a class issue here. Statistics show that people in economically deprived areas like Newport have much less of a life expentency than those in wealthier areas. In the sixth richest country in the world why is such a disparity accepted without question? Is it because there is no other country in the world with such a notoriously long standing tradition where we are brainwashed by the socio-political economic establishment into 'knowing our place' and meekly accepting our subservient unchangeable role in life? Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 24

8:13am Tue 18 Feb 14

dinnerlady52 says...

Okay then who will hold their hands up and take responsibility for this blunder with planning and design , how much difference is there with the new bus station compared to the old which was redeemed a NO SMOKING area , think the council like to make and bend the rules to fit in with their mistakes .
Newport Council has said it, “fully supports and understands” the views of non-smokers , but said they cannot legally prohibit people from smoking as it is not classed within government legislation as a substantially enclosed space.
If that's the case then the railway station platforms should also become a carry on smoking zone as they are more open than the confined spaces in the bus station .
Okay then who will hold their hands up and take responsibility for this blunder with planning and design , how much difference is there with the new bus station compared to the old which was redeemed a NO SMOKING area , think the council like to make and bend the rules to fit in with their mistakes . Newport Council has said it, “fully supports and understands” the views of non-smokers , but said they cannot legally prohibit people from smoking as it is not classed within government legislation as a substantially enclosed space. If that's the case then the railway station platforms should also become a carry on smoking zone as they are more open than the confined spaces in the bus station . dinnerlady52
  • Score: 27

8:27am Tue 18 Feb 14

arjwain says...

it be a nice thought for them if our council might like to control the sky above our head .but up to now if your not in a building its ok to smoke in the street even if it is under a walk way outside .i would feel more threatened by a drinker than a smoker .
i do agree with the smoking ban in cars while kids are in there .
that should have been in before the clubs and pub ban on smoking ,but like everything our country does its backward .
so Helen smokers are being persecuted enough . we export these products abroad they must pay about £3.00 per 50g .we have to pay £15 for 50g . so we pay for our smoking pleasure .
it be a nice thought for them if our council might like to control the sky above our head .but up to now if your not in a building its ok to smoke in the street even if it is under a walk way outside .i would feel more threatened by a drinker than a smoker . i do agree with the smoking ban in cars while kids are in there . that should have been in before the clubs and pub ban on smoking ,but like everything our country does its backward . so Helen smokers are being persecuted enough . we export these products abroad they must pay about £3.00 per 50g .we have to pay £15 for 50g . so we pay for our smoking pleasure . arjwain
  • Score: 4

8:40am Tue 18 Feb 14

john.hall1000 says...

It's not a bus station, it's a bus shelter. Is there anything newport council can get right.
It's not a bus station, it's a bus shelter. Is there anything newport council can get right. john.hall1000
  • Score: 42

9:03am Tue 18 Feb 14

inkyskin says...

her horror??..really? she needs to get out more!
her horror??..really? she needs to get out more! inkyskin
  • Score: 54

9:08am Tue 18 Feb 14

white white says...

It's not a bus shelter it's a shambles.Really is the pull ins. For the dedicated
Bus is often used by another bus to drop people off,by this time the passengers waiting ,are confused thinking it's their bus and it's not because
The bus pull in obscures the destination sign on the bus that arrives. .if the old bus station was bad then this one is just as bad if not worse. With the old
One if you need a connection you could walk to it in a minute or 2 now busses
Are stationed around the city centre .from market square,to high street,to out side the railway station.....how many people have missed buses because of this
It's not a bus shelter it's a shambles.Really is the pull ins. For the dedicated Bus is often used by another bus to drop people off,by this time the passengers waiting ,are confused thinking it's their bus and it's not because The bus pull in obscures the destination sign on the bus that arrives. .if the old bus station was bad then this one is just as bad if not worse. With the old One if you need a connection you could walk to it in a minute or 2 now busses Are stationed around the city centre .from market square,to high street,to out side the railway station.....how many people have missed buses because of this white white
  • Score: 42

9:13am Tue 18 Feb 14

humlin says...

Helen Crimmins needs to stop making a victim of herself. Up until a few years ago smoking was allowed almost anywhere, but since the draconian ban has come in staunch non-smokers such as herself feel obligated to take offence at the very sight of somebody smoking, as though they had just witnessed a serious crime being committed.
It's quite simple really, the shelter doesn't meet the requirements for a banned smoking area so it's tough, Ms Crimmins. Smokers have had to put up with the "tough" answer since 2007 for wanting to enjoy their legal habit.

Oh, and I'm not a smoker.
Helen Crimmins needs to stop making a victim of herself. Up until a few years ago smoking was allowed almost anywhere, but since the draconian ban has come in staunch non-smokers such as herself feel obligated to take offence at the very sight of somebody smoking, as though they had just witnessed a serious crime being committed. It's quite simple really, the shelter doesn't meet the requirements for a banned smoking area so it's tough, Ms Crimmins. Smokers have had to put up with the "tough" answer since 2007 for wanting to enjoy their legal habit. Oh, and I'm not a smoker. humlin
  • Score: 39

9:17am Tue 18 Feb 14

Mr Bump. says...

What a bloody drama queen. Smoking is a filthy, wasteful habit, but this woman is just being ridiculous.
What a bloody drama queen. Smoking is a filthy, wasteful habit, but this woman is just being ridiculous. Mr Bump.
  • Score: 32

9:29am Tue 18 Feb 14

thedukeofdorkness says...

Just says it all about Newport really... I mean if she was horrified then I think she over reacted slightly and needs to get a grip, but what does she expect from Newport? The scum there probably think it's ok to pollute the air of little children who haven't taken a conscious choice to fill their lungs with smoke.
Newport council have got it wrong - if smoking is banned on train platforms then it should most certainly be banned at a bus station.
Just says it all about Newport really... I mean if she was horrified then I think she over reacted slightly and needs to get a grip, but what does she expect from Newport? The scum there probably think it's ok to pollute the air of little children who haven't taken a conscious choice to fill their lungs with smoke. Newport council have got it wrong - if smoking is banned on train platforms then it should most certainly be banned at a bus station. thedukeofdorkness
  • Score: 21

10:02am Tue 18 Feb 14

SJR1989 says...

Can you imagine the outrage if Newport Council went above national policy and imposed a 'big brother' style rule that banned smokers from smoking in a legally acceptable public place? They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. I'm not a smoker and I personally hate cigarettes, but this is a complete non-issue.

The difference between the old station and the new one is huge in terms of enclosure. The old one was completely hemmed in on one side by buildings, with only the bus entrances open to the elements. The new one is effectively open on all sides with just a roof covering. It's a completely different space. The problem isn't the bus station, the problem is people who light up in close proximity to others. Given the fact they're legally entitled to, there's not much that can be done.
Can you imagine the outrage if Newport Council went above national policy and imposed a 'big brother' style rule that banned smokers from smoking in a legally acceptable public place? They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. I'm not a smoker and I personally hate cigarettes, but this is a complete non-issue. The difference between the old station and the new one is huge in terms of enclosure. The old one was completely hemmed in on one side by buildings, with only the bus entrances open to the elements. The new one is effectively open on all sides with just a roof covering. It's a completely different space. The problem isn't the bus station, the problem is people who light up in close proximity to others. Given the fact they're legally entitled to, there's not much that can be done. SJR1989
  • Score: 7

10:18am Tue 18 Feb 14

portman says...

As already stated this a bus shelter not a bus stn seems like this sad woman wasn't even catching a bus .i am a non smoker and agree the law is an **** on this matter but that is draconian legislation for you obviously the council hands are tied,but they should make proper provision to reduce the litter nuisance smoking causes .Ms Crimmins i wish i had your problems!!
As already stated this a bus shelter not a bus stn seems like this sad woman wasn't even catching a bus .i am a non smoker and agree the law is an **** on this matter but that is draconian legislation for you obviously the council hands are tied,but they should make proper provision to reduce the litter nuisance smoking causes .Ms Crimmins i wish i had your problems!! portman
  • Score: -8

10:20am Tue 18 Feb 14

thedukeofdorkness says...

You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.
You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack. thedukeofdorkness
  • Score: 31

10:25am Tue 18 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

humlin wrote:
Helen Crimmins needs to stop making a victim of herself. Up until a few years ago smoking was allowed almost anywhere, but since the draconian ban has come in staunch non-smokers such as herself feel obligated to take offence at the very sight of somebody smoking, as though they had just witnessed a serious crime being committed.
It's quite simple really, the shelter doesn't meet the requirements for a banned smoking area so it's tough, Ms Crimmins. Smokers have had to put up with the "tough" answer since 2007 for wanting to enjoy their legal habit.

Oh, and I'm not a smoker.
Thumbs up for that one. Right between the eyes and nail on the head.

I wonder if Ms Crimmins asked the smokers in question if they'd mind putting their cigarettes out, or if she just expects the authorities to pander to her prejudice and do it for her.

I'm an occasional smoker myself but I almost never smoke in public areas around other people because I personally feel it's inconsiderate. On the rare occasions when this isn't the case, I'm sure that if someone approaced me and asked me nicely if I'd mind putting it out, or moving away, chances are I'd more than likely comply.
[quote][p][bold]humlin[/bold] wrote: Helen Crimmins needs to stop making a victim of herself. Up until a few years ago smoking was allowed almost anywhere, but since the draconian ban has come in staunch non-smokers such as herself feel obligated to take offence at the very sight of somebody smoking, as though they had just witnessed a serious crime being committed. It's quite simple really, the shelter doesn't meet the requirements for a banned smoking area so it's tough, Ms Crimmins. Smokers have had to put up with the "tough" answer since 2007 for wanting to enjoy their legal habit. Oh, and I'm not a smoker.[/p][/quote]Thumbs up for that one. Right between the eyes and nail on the head. I wonder if Ms Crimmins asked the smokers in question if they'd mind putting their cigarettes out, or if she just expects the authorities to pander to her prejudice and do it for her. I'm an occasional smoker myself but I almost never smoke in public areas around other people because I personally feel it's inconsiderate. On the rare occasions when this isn't the case, I'm sure that if someone approaced me and asked me nicely if I'd mind putting it out, or moving away, chances are I'd more than likely comply. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 8

10:27am Tue 18 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

thedukeofdorkness wrote:
You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.
Lol - people with perfectly healthy lungs? You obviously are unaware of the diabolical air quality in South Wales arising from industrial pollution.
[quote][p][bold]thedukeofdorkness[/bold] wrote: You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.[/p][/quote]Lol - people with perfectly healthy lungs? You obviously are unaware of the diabolical air quality in South Wales arising from industrial pollution. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 1

10:35am Tue 18 Feb 14

SJR1989 says...

thedukeofdorkness wrote:
You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.
Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure there is national legislation to prevent smoking on train platforms, open or closed. First Great Western have a smoke-free policy at their stations either way. The fact of the matter is, the bus station/shelter does not fall under the legislation and therefore the council cannot do much about it without potential human rights issues surfacing.

In any case, how would you enforce it? The train station has controlled access, whereas the Bus Station does not. At what point do you define the boundary?
[quote][p][bold]thedukeofdorkness[/bold] wrote: You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.[/p][/quote]Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure there is national legislation to prevent smoking on train platforms, open or closed. First Great Western have a smoke-free policy at their stations either way. The fact of the matter is, the bus station/shelter does not fall under the legislation and therefore the council cannot do much about it without potential human rights issues surfacing. In any case, how would you enforce it? The train station has controlled access, whereas the Bus Station does not. At what point do you define the boundary? SJR1989
  • Score: 4

10:42am Tue 18 Feb 14

davidcp says...

"I AM allowed to take my drugs so you MUST let me AND partake with me, so there." Smokers.
"I AM allowed to take my drugs so you MUST let me AND partake with me, so there." Smokers. davidcp
  • Score: -36

11:17am Tue 18 Feb 14

thedukeofdorkness says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
thedukeofdorkness wrote:
You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.
Lol - people with perfectly healthy lungs? You obviously are unaware of the diabolical air quality in South Wales arising from industrial pollution.
Yes I am aware, and it aint getting any better I'm aware of that too. Not as bad if we "have" to be exposed to cigarette smoke though is it? Alright then, what if someone with unhealthy lungs on the way to the Gwent for an appointment has to put up with passive smoking?

SJR - good point. It all goes back to policy and law. Not enough resource from the government to police it. But again I ask - where is the consistency? Newport have basically spent thousands of Newport council tax payers money on a glorified smoking shelter.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedukeofdorkness[/bold] wrote: You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.[/p][/quote]Lol - people with perfectly healthy lungs? You obviously are unaware of the diabolical air quality in South Wales arising from industrial pollution.[/p][/quote]Yes I am aware, and it aint getting any better I'm aware of that too. Not as bad if we "have" to be exposed to cigarette smoke though is it? Alright then, what if someone with unhealthy lungs on the way to the Gwent for an appointment has to put up with passive smoking? SJR - good point. It all goes back to policy and law. Not enough resource from the government to police it. But again I ask - where is the consistency? Newport have basically spent thousands of Newport council tax payers money on a glorified smoking shelter. thedukeofdorkness
  • Score: 17

11:28am Tue 18 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

thedukeofdorkness wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
thedukeofdorkness wrote:
You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.
Lol - people with perfectly healthy lungs? You obviously are unaware of the diabolical air quality in South Wales arising from industrial pollution.
Yes I am aware, and it aint getting any better I'm aware of that too. Not as bad if we "have" to be exposed to cigarette smoke though is it? Alright then, what if someone with unhealthy lungs on the way to the Gwent for an appointment has to put up with passive smoking?

SJR - good point. It all goes back to policy and law. Not enough resource from the government to police it. But again I ask - where is the consistency? Newport have basically spent thousands of Newport council tax payers money on a glorified smoking shelter.
I just think it's strange that people, who are quite happy to loiter around in the vicinity of several dozen large diesel engines chugging away, mere metres away from two of the busiest traffic routes through Newport, feel nonetheless justified in whining about smokers.

I mean, if we're going to talk about 'consistency'...
[quote][p][bold]thedukeofdorkness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedukeofdorkness[/bold] wrote: You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.[/p][/quote]Lol - people with perfectly healthy lungs? You obviously are unaware of the diabolical air quality in South Wales arising from industrial pollution.[/p][/quote]Yes I am aware, and it aint getting any better I'm aware of that too. Not as bad if we "have" to be exposed to cigarette smoke though is it? Alright then, what if someone with unhealthy lungs on the way to the Gwent for an appointment has to put up with passive smoking? SJR - good point. It all goes back to policy and law. Not enough resource from the government to police it. But again I ask - where is the consistency? Newport have basically spent thousands of Newport council tax payers money on a glorified smoking shelter.[/p][/quote]I just think it's strange that people, who are quite happy to loiter around in the vicinity of several dozen large diesel engines chugging away, mere metres away from two of the busiest traffic routes through Newport, feel nonetheless justified in whining about smokers. I mean, if we're going to talk about 'consistency'... GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 3

11:59am Tue 18 Feb 14

thedukeofdorkness says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
thedukeofdorkness wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
thedukeofdorkness wrote:
You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.
Lol - people with perfectly healthy lungs? You obviously are unaware of the diabolical air quality in South Wales arising from industrial pollution.
Yes I am aware, and it aint getting any better I'm aware of that too. Not as bad if we "have" to be exposed to cigarette smoke though is it? Alright then, what if someone with unhealthy lungs on the way to the Gwent for an appointment has to put up with passive smoking?

SJR - good point. It all goes back to policy and law. Not enough resource from the government to police it. But again I ask - where is the consistency? Newport have basically spent thousands of Newport council tax payers money on a glorified smoking shelter.
I just think it's strange that people, who are quite happy to loiter around in the vicinity of several dozen large diesel engines chugging away, mere metres away from two of the busiest traffic routes through Newport, feel nonetheless justified in whining about smokers.

I mean, if we're going to talk about 'consistency'...
Get a grip! "quick lets get away from the roads!!... run to the hills!" There's a purpose to loitering at a bus station - errr - to catch the bus?! There is no purpose to the councils inconsistency other than to make themselves look stupid - again. What the council have done is opened a shelter for the chavs of Newport to take refuse or (let's call it) loiter around the bus station to smoke out of the rain... plus they are "hanging around large diesel vehicles" (they are doomed really)... while the people who want to use it to get somewhere are being inconvenienced. By the way, air quality won't improve just by banning diesel vehicles on the road... are you suggesting Newport is subject to a congestion charge? I would like to see the whole place pedestrianized.... no I meant shut down.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedukeofdorkness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedukeofdorkness[/bold] wrote: You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.[/p][/quote]Lol - people with perfectly healthy lungs? You obviously are unaware of the diabolical air quality in South Wales arising from industrial pollution.[/p][/quote]Yes I am aware, and it aint getting any better I'm aware of that too. Not as bad if we "have" to be exposed to cigarette smoke though is it? Alright then, what if someone with unhealthy lungs on the way to the Gwent for an appointment has to put up with passive smoking? SJR - good point. It all goes back to policy and law. Not enough resource from the government to police it. But again I ask - where is the consistency? Newport have basically spent thousands of Newport council tax payers money on a glorified smoking shelter.[/p][/quote]I just think it's strange that people, who are quite happy to loiter around in the vicinity of several dozen large diesel engines chugging away, mere metres away from two of the busiest traffic routes through Newport, feel nonetheless justified in whining about smokers. I mean, if we're going to talk about 'consistency'...[/p][/quote]Get a grip! "quick lets get away from the roads!!... run to the hills!" There's a purpose to loitering at a bus station - errr - to catch the bus?! There is no purpose to the councils inconsistency other than to make themselves look stupid - again. What the council have done is opened a shelter for the chavs of Newport to take refuse or (let's call it) loiter around the bus station to smoke out of the rain... plus they are "hanging around large diesel vehicles" (they are doomed really)... while the people who want to use it to get somewhere are being inconvenienced. By the way, air quality won't improve just by banning diesel vehicles on the road... are you suggesting Newport is subject to a congestion charge? I would like to see the whole place pedestrianized.... no I meant shut down. thedukeofdorkness
  • Score: 7

12:16pm Tue 18 Feb 14

username2 says...

They're just having a fag, it's pretty much outside, can we just all chill out? This lady needs to stop contacting the papers and have a long hard look at herself if this is genuinely angering her.
PS From to non-smoker.
They're just having a fag, it's pretty much outside, can we just all chill out? This lady needs to stop contacting the papers and have a long hard look at herself if this is genuinely angering her. PS From to non-smoker. username2
  • Score: 2

12:38pm Tue 18 Feb 14

throwy1 says...

Speaking as a former smoker who has not smoked for 20 years I don't like the smell of smoke. However I think this country is becoming a Nanny state. Yes A.S.H. can produce statistic after statistic to show how toxic and deadly smoking could be. A.S.H. conveniently ignores the facts that everyone is born with cancerous cells and anything can set them off. Personally I support F.O.R..E..S.T.
Speaking as a former smoker who has not smoked for 20 years I don't like the smell of smoke. However I think this country is becoming a Nanny state. Yes A.S.H. can produce statistic after statistic to show how toxic and deadly smoking could be. A.S.H. conveniently ignores the facts that everyone is born with cancerous cells and anything can set them off. Personally I support F.O.R..E..S.T. throwy1
  • Score: -6

1:00pm Tue 18 Feb 14

county mad says...

I am shocked I find myself agreeing and supporting GVM for the first time I was 60 yesterday could it be my mind has become enfeebled?
I am shocked I find myself agreeing and supporting GVM for the first time I was 60 yesterday could it be my mind has become enfeebled? county mad
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Tue 18 Feb 14

whatintheworld says...

the old bus station is a world away from the new one.

the old one was flanked by shops all the way along the back. this, coupled with the plexi-glass at the front of the station, meant it could be considered enclosed.

the new bus station (as others have said) is more of a shelter. there is PLENTY of room for you to go and stand somewhere else. there is also plenty of ventilation.

im a strong supporter of the smoking ban, as well as the ban in cars with children, but the person complaining in the article is going waay to far. perhaps they should consider starting a campaign to make smoking ilegal?
the old bus station is a world away from the new one. the old one was flanked by shops all the way along the back. this, coupled with the plexi-glass at the front of the station, meant it could be considered enclosed. the new bus station (as others have said) is more of a shelter. there is PLENTY of room for you to go and stand somewhere else. there is also plenty of ventilation. im a strong supporter of the smoking ban, as well as the ban in cars with children, but the person complaining in the article is going waay to far. perhaps they should consider starting a campaign to make smoking ilegal? whatintheworld
  • Score: -5

1:32pm Tue 18 Feb 14

p stani says...

Just breath those lovely diesel fumes in.
Just breath those lovely diesel fumes in. p stani
  • Score: 7

1:37pm Tue 18 Feb 14

helper7 says...

Its well researched passive smoking is harmful so those who don’t smoke should not have to put up with it in going about the everyday lives....Warning Soon on this issue our resident Ukip/BNP nutter will broaden the issue (aka Mr Holder/welshmen/Dai Rear and other offshoots)
Whatever your views on smoking or not dot let this little runt manipulate the topic)
Its well researched passive smoking is harmful so those who don’t smoke should not have to put up with it in going about the everyday lives....Warning Soon on this issue our resident Ukip/BNP nutter will broaden the issue (aka Mr Holder/welshmen/Dai Rear and other offshoots) Whatever your views on smoking or not dot let this little runt manipulate the topic) helper7
  • Score: 4

1:41pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

helper7 wrote:
Its well researched passive smoking is harmful so those who don’t smoke should not have to put up with it in going about the everyday lives....Warning Soon on this issue our resident Ukip/BNP nutter will broaden the issue (aka Mr Holder/welshmen/Dai Rear and other offshoots)
Whatever your views on smoking or not dot let this little runt manipulate the topic)
Sorry typo errors (on mobile)
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: Its well researched passive smoking is harmful so those who don’t smoke should not have to put up with it in going about the everyday lives....Warning Soon on this issue our resident Ukip/BNP nutter will broaden the issue (aka Mr Holder/welshmen/Dai Rear and other offshoots) Whatever your views on smoking or not dot let this little runt manipulate the topic)[/p][/quote]Sorry typo errors (on mobile) Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: -3

1:43pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Its well researched passive smoking is harmful so those who don’t smoke should not have to put up with it in going about the everyday lives....Warning Soon on this issue our resident Ukip/BNP nutter will broaden the issue (aka Mr Holder/welshmen/Dai Rear and other offshoots)
Whatever your views on smoking or not dot let this little runt manipulate the topic)
Sorry typo errors (on mobile)
(on my mobile) Meant to say Agreed despite your typo errors!!
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: Its well researched passive smoking is harmful so those who don’t smoke should not have to put up with it in going about the everyday lives....Warning Soon on this issue our resident Ukip/BNP nutter will broaden the issue (aka Mr Holder/welshmen/Dai Rear and other offshoots) Whatever your views on smoking or not dot let this little runt manipulate the topic)[/p][/quote]Sorry typo errors (on mobile)[/p][/quote](on my mobile) Meant to say Agreed despite your typo errors!! Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 5

2:29pm Tue 18 Feb 14

b3talover says...

I'm boycotting the new bus station and Newport Transport. Not because people are allowed to smoke. It's because the "company" is complete and utter shambles. Rude and obnoxious staff, low punctuality (when they bother to turn up and not miss out entire routes for an hour without telling anyone) and dirty buses. Although I normally admire a plucky amateur company, it's time Newport had a professional bus service, not a glorified unlicensed minibus style service.
Newport Transport, turning up when we feel like it since 1986. Their motto: "Don't like it? Walk." or maybe "Sorry not in service."
I'm boycotting the new bus station and Newport Transport. Not because people are allowed to smoke. It's because the "company" is complete and utter shambles. Rude and obnoxious staff, low punctuality (when they bother to turn up and not miss out entire routes for an hour without telling anyone) and dirty buses. Although I normally admire a plucky amateur company, it's time Newport had a professional bus service, not a glorified unlicensed minibus style service. Newport Transport, turning up when we feel like it since 1986. Their motto: "Don't like it? Walk." or maybe "Sorry not in service." b3talover
  • Score: 16

2:54pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Jackster628 says...

I wont be able to use the bus station as i have severe emphysema. That is caused by other peoples smoking (i have never smoked) and I cant be around smokers. Its very annoying in bus stations, outside supermarkets, the hospital where you have to walk through other peoples smoke. And every time i breathe it in it my lungs get worse. Hence i have to stay home the majority of the time.
I wont be able to use the bus station as i have severe emphysema. That is caused by other peoples smoking (i have never smoked) and I cant be around smokers. Its very annoying in bus stations, outside supermarkets, the hospital where you have to walk through other peoples smoke. And every time i breathe it in it my lungs get worse. Hence i have to stay home the majority of the time. Jackster628
  • Score: 19

3:22pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Woodgnome says...

county mad wrote:
I am shocked I find myself agreeing and supporting GVM for the first time I was 60 yesterday could it be my mind has become enfeebled?
Fear not county mad- blame chaos theory. One chance in billion one of your rational brainwaves will collide with an irrational one
[quote][p][bold]county mad[/bold] wrote: I am shocked I find myself agreeing and supporting GVM for the first time I was 60 yesterday could it be my mind has become enfeebled?[/p][/quote]Fear not county mad- blame chaos theory. One chance in billion one of your rational brainwaves will collide with an irrational one Woodgnome
  • Score: -9

3:25pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Woodgnome says...

............and who said it was NCC policy to get people back on public transport??
............and who said it was NCC policy to get people back on public transport?? Woodgnome
  • Score: 10

3:33pm Tue 18 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

county mad wrote:
I am shocked I find myself agreeing and supporting GVM for the first time I was 60 yesterday could it be my mind has become enfeebled?
Just goes to show that almost everyone can find some common ground if they but look hard enough
[quote][p][bold]county mad[/bold] wrote: I am shocked I find myself agreeing and supporting GVM for the first time I was 60 yesterday could it be my mind has become enfeebled?[/p][/quote]Just goes to show that almost everyone can find some common ground if they but look hard enough GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -1

3:34pm Tue 18 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Woodgnome wrote:
county mad wrote:
I am shocked I find myself agreeing and supporting GVM for the first time I was 60 yesterday could it be my mind has become enfeebled?
Fear not county mad- blame chaos theory. One chance in billion one of your rational brainwaves will collide with an irrational one
Awwww, look - I've picked up a pet troll.

Nice troll. Goood troll (patpat) Walkies...
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]county mad[/bold] wrote: I am shocked I find myself agreeing and supporting GVM for the first time I was 60 yesterday could it be my mind has become enfeebled?[/p][/quote]Fear not county mad- blame chaos theory. One chance in billion one of your rational brainwaves will collide with an irrational one[/p][/quote]Awwww, look - I've picked up a pet troll. Nice troll. Goood troll (patpat) Walkies... GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 12

3:35pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Watery Bob says...

Blimey, you need to get out, I mean stay in more if smokers near an open-sided shelter are a cause for complaint.
Blimey, you need to get out, I mean stay in more if smokers near an open-sided shelter are a cause for complaint. Watery Bob
  • Score: 7

3:36pm Tue 18 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

thedukeofdorkness wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
thedukeofdorkness wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo



m
wrote:
thedukeofdorkness wrote:
You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.
Lol - people with perfectly healthy lungs? You obviously are unaware of the diabolical air quality in South Wales arising from industrial pollution.
Yes I am aware, and it aint getting any better I'm aware of that too. Not as bad if we "have" to be exposed to cigarette smoke though is it? Alright then, what if someone with unhealthy lungs on the way to the Gwent for an appointment has to put up with passive smoking?

SJR - good point. It all goes back to policy and law. Not enough resource from the government to police it. But again I ask - where is the consistency? Newport have basically spent thousands of Newport council tax payers money on a glorified smoking shelter.
I just think it's strange that people, who are quite happy to loiter around in the vicinity of several dozen large diesel engines chugging away, mere metres away from two of the busiest traffic routes through Newport, feel nonetheless justified in whining about smokers.

I mean, if we're going to talk about 'consistency'...
Get a grip! "quick lets get away from the roads!!... run to the hills!" There's a purpose to loitering at a bus station - errr - to catch the bus?! There is no purpose to the councils inconsistency other than to make themselves look stupid - again. What the council have done is opened a shelter for the chavs of Newport to take refuse or (let's call it) loiter around the bus station to smoke out of the rain... plus they are "hanging around large diesel vehicles" (they are doomed really)... while the people who want to use it to get somewhere are being inconvenienced. By the way, air quality won't improve just by banning diesel vehicles on the road... are you suggesting Newport is subject to a congestion charge? I would like to see the whole place pedestrianized.... no I meant shut down.
I'm not suggesting anything other than the absurdity of some people's opinions when they lack a little perspective.
[quote][p][bold]thedukeofdorkness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedukeofdorkness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedukeofdorkness[/bold] wrote: You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.[/p][/quote]Lol - people with perfectly healthy lungs? You obviously are unaware of the diabolical air quality in South Wales arising from industrial pollution.[/p][/quote]Yes I am aware, and it aint getting any better I'm aware of that too. Not as bad if we "have" to be exposed to cigarette smoke though is it? Alright then, what if someone with unhealthy lungs on the way to the Gwent for an appointment has to put up with passive smoking? SJR - good point. It all goes back to policy and law. Not enough resource from the government to police it. But again I ask - where is the consistency? Newport have basically spent thousands of Newport council tax payers money on a glorified smoking shelter.[/p][/quote]I just think it's strange that people, who are quite happy to loiter around in the vicinity of several dozen large diesel engines chugging away, mere metres away from two of the busiest traffic routes through Newport, feel nonetheless justified in whining about smokers. I mean, if we're going to talk about 'consistency'...[/p][/quote]Get a grip! "quick lets get away from the roads!!... run to the hills!" There's a purpose to loitering at a bus station - errr - to catch the bus?! There is no purpose to the councils inconsistency other than to make themselves look stupid - again. What the council have done is opened a shelter for the chavs of Newport to take refuse or (let's call it) loiter around the bus station to smoke out of the rain... plus they are "hanging around large diesel vehicles" (they are doomed really)... while the people who want to use it to get somewhere are being inconvenienced. By the way, air quality won't improve just by banning diesel vehicles on the road... are you suggesting Newport is subject to a congestion charge? I would like to see the whole place pedestrianized.... no I meant shut down.[/p][/quote]I'm not suggesting anything other than the absurdity of some people's opinions when they lack a little perspective. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -1

3:36pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

john.hall1000 wrote:
It's not a bus station, it's a bus shelter. Is there anything newport council can get right.
Right ! and they are also having to get rid of the green glass too. It is very utilitarian and unwelcoming, an on-site cafe would be useful so you can at least keep warm too, as well as re-establishing the digital displays. It's dark, and its dreary, I am unsure if they want to welcome shoppers or deter them. They have succeeded in the latter.
[quote][p][bold]john.hall1000[/bold] wrote: It's not a bus station, it's a bus shelter. Is there anything newport council can get right.[/p][/quote]Right ! and they are also having to get rid of the green glass too. It is very utilitarian and unwelcoming, an on-site cafe would be useful so you can at least keep warm too, as well as re-establishing the digital displays. It's dark, and its dreary, I am unsure if they want to welcome shoppers or deter them. They have succeeded in the latter. Mervyn James
  • Score: 22

6:00pm Tue 18 Feb 14

pwharley says...

A new bus station should be better than an old one. Sadly, Newport City Council and SEWTA have delivered something worse than what we had before.

1. There is insufficient seating for passengers
2. The destinatiin of the bus cannot be seen through the opaque glass
3. The lack of a proper enclosure allows wind & rain in (and means smoking is permitted!)
4. There are no decent toilets
5. The enquiry office is hidden away in the Market (and the Bus Inspectors are less visible than before)
6. Changing between buses sometimes involves a hike to/from High Street or Queensway.

Newport city centre is becoming less and less an attractive place to travel to.
A new bus station should be better than an old one. Sadly, Newport City Council and SEWTA have delivered something worse than what we had before. 1. There is insufficient seating for passengers 2. The destinatiin of the bus cannot be seen through the opaque glass 3. The lack of a proper enclosure allows wind & rain in (and means smoking is permitted!) 4. There are no decent toilets 5. The enquiry office is hidden away in the Market (and the Bus Inspectors are less visible than before) 6. Changing between buses sometimes involves a hike to/from High Street or Queensway. Newport city centre is becoming less and less an attractive place to travel to. pwharley
  • Score: 31

6:44pm Tue 18 Feb 14

cantbelieveitsnotbetter says...

The saddest part of this story for me is seeing for the first time what they actually built! it looks dreadfull!
There are many factors at play with this story, commentators here picking out a few, but I would lay the blame on those who designed/signed off the design of the station/shelter.
Places like that have always had a grimy feel to them for many reasons, at least design a station/shelter that would make it illegal to smoke inside.
I'm one of those smokers who would love it to be banned everywhere (because im weak) I adhere to restrictions, not only legal but moral. I can see that the council are impotent here due to the law, so its a people thing, ask someone to move, stop, you move etc. get some signs up saying its no smoking, can't enforce it but most would adhere to it.
Just gotta say that whoever told that person thw lung condition was caused by passive smoking shoyld be struck off (unless that person worked in a roomfilled with ppeople smoking, 7 hrs a day, mon to fri foe god knows how many years) talk about taking it to the extreme.
The saddest part of this story for me is seeing for the first time what they actually built! it looks dreadfull! There are many factors at play with this story, commentators here picking out a few, but I would lay the blame on those who designed/signed off the design of the station/shelter. Places like that have always had a grimy feel to them for many reasons, at least design a station/shelter that would make it illegal to smoke inside. I'm one of those smokers who would love it to be banned everywhere (because im weak) I adhere to restrictions, not only legal but moral. I can see that the council are impotent here due to the law, so its a people thing, ask someone to move, stop, you move etc. get some signs up saying its no smoking, can't enforce it but most would adhere to it. Just gotta say that whoever told that person thw lung condition was caused by passive smoking shoyld be struck off (unless that person worked in a roomfilled with ppeople smoking, 7 hrs a day, mon to fri foe god knows how many years) talk about taking it to the extreme. cantbelieveitsnotbetter
  • Score: 20

6:52pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Jonnytrouble says...

I wonder if the smoke was GANGA ?
Well this is NEWPORT after all.
WHOOPS ! now for the thumbs dn !
But on a serious note the BUS shelter could have been designed better and more comfortable for public transport users, Newport is after all a City ?
I wonder if the smoke was GANGA ? Well this is NEWPORT after all. WHOOPS ! now for the thumbs dn ! But on a serious note the BUS shelter could have been designed better and more comfortable for public transport users, Newport is after all a City ? Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 9

8:06pm Tue 18 Feb 14

cath 872 says...

I imagine most people assumed this bus shelter was a non smoking area. I fully expect to see lots of people with their cigs there tomorrow...
I imagine most people assumed this bus shelter was a non smoking area. I fully expect to see lots of people with their cigs there tomorrow... cath 872
  • Score: 24

8:37pm Tue 18 Feb 14

foxy3rd says...

Is it true that it is going to cost we ratepayers 56 or £58.000 to replace all that ill thought out. obscure glass panelling??
Is it true that it is going to cost we ratepayers 56 or £58.000 to replace all that ill thought out. obscure glass panelling?? foxy3rd
  • Score: 15

8:39pm Tue 18 Feb 14

pbhj says...

>"they cannot legally prohibit people from smoking" //

That sounds like it's wrong.

The 2012 "Tobacco Control Action Plan for Wales" ¹ at pages 31-32 for example mention that hospital boards have made whole areas outdoors smoke-free and that the WAG are encouraging local authorities to consider similar actions. I quote:

>"Other public bodies, such as local authorities, could also adopt this exemplar role in action to discourage smoking, particularly in areas where children are likely to congregate, such as school grounds and play grounds."

A bus station is certainly an area where children are likely to be, to congregate; as well of course as members of the public who're pregnant, have asthma, or other health concerns.

Here's a quote from a Department of Health spokesperson ²:

>"In the future, local authorities may wish to take further action to make non-enclosed parts of their properties smoke-free voluntarily.

>"Local communities and organisations may also wish to go further to create environments free of second-hand smoke, for example in children’s playgrounds and outdoor parts of shopping centres.

>"This can also help to shape positive social norms and discourage smoking. It has been introduced using voluntary mechanisms in some local authorities."

Seems strange that they should be advocating what NCC appear to be saying are unlawful actions?

1 -- http://wales.gov.uk/
docs/phhs/publicatio
ns/120202planen.pdf
2 -- http://www.nurserywo
rld.co.uk/nursery-wo
rld/news/1106005/wel
sh-local-authority-i
ntroduces-smoke-free
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>"they cannot legally prohibit people from smoking" // That sounds like it's wrong. The 2012 "Tobacco Control Action Plan for Wales" ¹ at pages 31-32 for example mention that hospital boards have made whole areas outdoors smoke-free and that the WAG are encouraging local authorities to consider similar actions. I quote: >"Other public bodies, such as local authorities, could also adopt this exemplar role [stopping smoking in non-enclosed areas] in action to discourage smoking, particularly in areas where children are likely to congregate, such as school grounds and play grounds." A bus station is certainly an area where children are likely to be, to congregate; as well of course as members of the public who're pregnant, have asthma, or other health concerns. Here's a quote from a Department of Health spokesperson ²: >"In the future, local authorities may wish to take further action to make non-enclosed parts of their properties smoke-free voluntarily. >"Local communities and organisations may also wish to go further to create environments free of second-hand smoke, for example in children’s playgrounds and outdoor parts of shopping centres. >"This can also help to shape positive social norms and discourage smoking. It has been introduced using voluntary mechanisms in some local authorities." Seems strange that they should be advocating what NCC appear to be saying are unlawful actions? 1 -- http://wales.gov.uk/ docs/phhs/publicatio ns/120202planen.pdf 2 -- http://www.nurserywo rld.co.uk/nursery-wo rld/news/1106005/wel sh-local-authority-i ntroduces-smoke-free -play pbhj
  • Score: 7

8:50pm Tue 18 Feb 14

bobbajob says...

she didn't get a life, she got a Luff, and he said it was lawful smoking. I would recommend upwind...
she didn't get a life, she got a Luff, and he said it was lawful smoking. I would recommend upwind... bobbajob
  • Score: -1

8:47am Wed 19 Feb 14

Sid Bonkers says...

Welsh government should use it's new legislative powers to do something useful.
Welsh government should use it's new legislative powers to do something useful. Sid Bonkers
  • Score: 6

10:23am Wed 19 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

Sid Bonkers wrote:
Welsh government should use it's new legislative powers to do something useful.
They are discussing banning smoking in cars soon, lets face it smokers are pretty unsociable people, who use freedom of expression and rights as an excuse to poison our air, create piles of fag ends outside their homes and businesses, and give children asthma. I'm quite happy they kill themselves, but not happy they have a right to kill us too.
[quote][p][bold]Sid Bonkers[/bold] wrote: Welsh government should use it's new legislative powers to do something useful.[/p][/quote]They are discussing banning smoking in cars soon, lets face it smokers are pretty unsociable people, who use freedom of expression and rights as an excuse to poison our air, create piles of fag ends outside their homes and businesses, and give children asthma. I'm quite happy they kill themselves, but not happy they have a right to kill us too. Mervyn James
  • Score: 2

10:33am Wed 19 Feb 14

Sid Bonkers says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
humlin wrote:
Helen Crimmins needs to stop making a victim of herself. Up until a few years ago smoking was allowed almost anywhere, but since the draconian ban has come in staunch non-smokers such as herself feel obligated to take offence at the very sight of somebody smoking, as though they had just witnessed a serious crime being committed.
It's quite simple really, the shelter doesn't meet the requirements for a banned smoking area so it's tough, Ms Crimmins. Smokers have had to put up with the "tough" answer since 2007 for wanting to enjoy their legal habit.

Oh, and I'm not a smoker.
Thumbs up for that one. Right between the eyes and nail on the head.

I wonder if Ms Crimmins asked the smokers in question if they'd mind putting their cigarettes out, or if she just expects the authorities to pander to her prejudice and do it for her.

I'm an occasional smoker myself but I almost never smoke in public areas around other people because I personally feel it's inconsiderate. On the rare occasions when this isn't the case, I'm sure that if someone approaced me and asked me nicely if I'd mind putting it out, or moving away, chances are I'd more than likely comply.
I don't think everyone, has the confidence to ask people to stop Mr Mushroom - most would just suffer in silence. If they do, they are more than likely to get a mouthful of abuse in response.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]humlin[/bold] wrote: Helen Crimmins needs to stop making a victim of herself. Up until a few years ago smoking was allowed almost anywhere, but since the draconian ban has come in staunch non-smokers such as herself feel obligated to take offence at the very sight of somebody smoking, as though they had just witnessed a serious crime being committed. It's quite simple really, the shelter doesn't meet the requirements for a banned smoking area so it's tough, Ms Crimmins. Smokers have had to put up with the "tough" answer since 2007 for wanting to enjoy their legal habit. Oh, and I'm not a smoker.[/p][/quote]Thumbs up for that one. Right between the eyes and nail on the head. I wonder if Ms Crimmins asked the smokers in question if they'd mind putting their cigarettes out, or if she just expects the authorities to pander to her prejudice and do it for her. I'm an occasional smoker myself but I almost never smoke in public areas around other people because I personally feel it's inconsiderate. On the rare occasions when this isn't the case, I'm sure that if someone approaced me and asked me nicely if I'd mind putting it out, or moving away, chances are I'd more than likely comply.[/p][/quote]I don't think everyone, has the confidence to ask people to stop Mr Mushroom - most would just suffer in silence. If they do, they are more than likely to get a mouthful of abuse in response. Sid Bonkers
  • Score: 10

1:32pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Cobalt says...

Some people should start realising that a lot of the taxes in this country are raised by peoples vices. I think they should put a lot more tax on food to pay for the obesity issues it causes.
Some people should start realising that a lot of the taxes in this country are raised by peoples vices. I think they should put a lot more tax on food to pay for the obesity issues it causes. Cobalt
  • Score: 4

6:57pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

Cobalt wrote:
Some people should start realising that a lot of the taxes in this country are raised by peoples vices. I think they should put a lot more tax on food to pay for the obesity issues it causes.
Tax foods with unhealthy content, by all means. Unfortunately there is no legislation to prevent manufactures filling our food with junk and unhealthy options. Or to prevent the plethora of junk food outlets like MacD's and the takeaways and chip shops from breeding on our high streets.

You forgot alcohol too, one could suggest that raising taxes/prices on that and tobacco is simply pimping, and pushing alcohol abuse. if you want people's unhealthy vices to stop, then you prevent access to it, remove the addictive aspect, not raise taxes, because it is like car owners, they will starve rather than use a bus or walk. Take away their wheels.......

I think moderation would have to be an enforceable act, since the populace simply cannot do it itself, or won't. The last words of every addict is, I can manage it.......... or when cornered when they obviously cannot, use the "We have a right to do what we want..." terminology.
[quote][p][bold]Cobalt[/bold] wrote: Some people should start realising that a lot of the taxes in this country are raised by peoples vices. I think they should put a lot more tax on food to pay for the obesity issues it causes.[/p][/quote]Tax foods with unhealthy content, by all means. Unfortunately there is no legislation to prevent manufactures filling our food with junk and unhealthy options. Or to prevent the plethora of junk food outlets like MacD's and the takeaways and chip shops from breeding on our high streets. You forgot alcohol too, one could suggest that raising taxes/prices on that and tobacco is simply pimping, and pushing alcohol abuse. if you want people's unhealthy vices to stop, then you prevent access to it, remove the addictive aspect, not raise taxes, because it is like car owners, they will starve rather than use a bus or walk. Take away their wheels....... I think moderation would have to be an enforceable act, since the populace simply cannot do it itself, or won't. The last words of every addict is, I can manage it.......... or when cornered when they obviously cannot, use the "We have a right to do what we want..." terminology. Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

7:34pm Wed 19 Feb 14

County says...

davidcp wrote:
"I AM allowed to take my drugs so you MUST let me AND partake with me, so there." Smokers.
"I'm allowed to drive so you must breathe in my fumes, so there." Drivers.
[quote][p][bold]davidcp[/bold] wrote: "I AM allowed to take my drugs so you MUST let me AND partake with me, so there." Smokers.[/p][/quote]"I'm allowed to drive so you must breathe in my fumes, so there." Drivers. County
  • Score: 2

7:49pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Joanne Lincoln says...

I'm not fond of fat people. Their bodily abuse goes against my own ideology, and I'm proud of my trim 105 pound frame. But I will defend their right to be fat people to the end. Stop being so sanctimonious. People smoke cigarettes. So what? People are so terrified of the myth of second hand smoke, it's laughable. Educate yourselves. Wake up. You're being played.
I'm not fond of fat people. Their bodily abuse goes against my own ideology, and I'm proud of my trim 105 pound frame. But I will defend their right to be fat people to the end. Stop being so sanctimonious. People smoke cigarettes. So what? People are so terrified of the myth of second hand smoke, it's laughable. Educate yourselves. Wake up. You're being played. Joanne Lincoln
  • Score: 1

8:16pm Wed 19 Feb 14

brynglas says...

I agree with Ms Crimmins - smokers should keep their carcinogens to themselves. If I started wafting asbestos dust or radioactive dust into the air in a public place I'd get arrested - what's the difference? Oh yes, sorry I forgot - HM Customs and Excise get millions in revenue from tobacco sales.
I agree with Ms Crimmins - smokers should keep their carcinogens to themselves. If I started wafting asbestos dust or radioactive dust into the air in a public place I'd get arrested - what's the difference? Oh yes, sorry I forgot - HM Customs and Excise get millions in revenue from tobacco sales. brynglas
  • Score: 1

8:43pm Wed 19 Feb 14

coidmellyn says...

sort it out street scene some bus stop on wrong side of road on some routes some bus shelters with no smoking some with timing boards working some not?
you just haven't got it ?
sack them and get someone to run it for newport for the people of newport as a service and not so the others in the area can tact the cream the bosses you got now are insider dealing?
wake up?
sort it out street scene some bus stop on wrong side of road on some routes some bus shelters with no smoking some with timing boards working some not? you just haven't got it ? sack them and get someone to run it for newport for the people of newport as a service and not so the others in the area can tact the cream the bosses you got now are insider dealing? wake up? coidmellyn
  • Score: 3

11:23pm Wed 19 Feb 14

bugsy93 says...

Perhaps she would prefer to see drunks vomiting or junkies sticking needles in their arms at the bus stops.Our atmosphere contains far worse than cigarette smoke.
Perhaps she would prefer to see drunks vomiting or junkies sticking needles in their arms at the bus stops.Our atmosphere contains far worse than cigarette smoke. bugsy93
  • Score: -4

12:08am Thu 20 Feb 14

chris w says...

I can,t believe how the General public have been fooled so much over passive smoke by A.S.H, without giving it some thought, how would it be possible for a few whiffs of Cig smoke watered down and rising up into the atmosphere be harmful when many smokers inhale concentrated amounts of the stuff for a lifetime,don,t you get it yet fear of passive smoke has been manufactured as an excuse to bring in smoking bans ,it,s called Social engineering,please google "Passive smoke fraud"to learn the truth, like the weapons of mass destruction farce in Iraq and the Salmonala in eggs scare you have been totally duped !,Diesel fumes are far more deadly and you would be dead in minutes breathing these in locked in a garage ,could this be said if 100 Cigs were left smouldering in a garage ?
I can,t believe how the General public have been fooled so much over passive smoke by A.S.H, without giving it some thought, how would it be possible for a few whiffs of Cig smoke watered down and rising up into the atmosphere be harmful when many smokers inhale concentrated amounts of the stuff for a lifetime,don,t you get it yet fear of passive smoke has been manufactured as an excuse to bring in smoking bans ,it,s called Social engineering,please google "Passive smoke fraud"to learn the truth, like the weapons of mass destruction farce in Iraq and the Salmonala in eggs scare you have been totally duped !,Diesel fumes are far more deadly and you would be dead in minutes breathing these in locked in a garage ,could this be said if 100 Cigs were left smouldering in a garage ? chris w
  • Score: 2

3:24pm Thu 20 Feb 14

lowandhardandinthecorner says...

She needs to get over herself. All this righteous indignation about someone smoking in the open air! I'm a non-smoker but this rabid persecution of smokers is beyond the pale.
If she thinks passive cigarette smoke is a problem she'd do well to get herself an air-sampler and get the ambient air in and around Newport checked out - then she'd have ample cause for horror and nightmares.
This type of passive cigarette smoke is perfectly harmless , there is absolutely no evidence that it causes any disease at all - pure propaganda.
If it was so harmful, governments would have a duty to completely ban it - it isn't and they won't.
She needs to get over herself. All this righteous indignation about someone smoking in the open air! I'm a non-smoker but this rabid persecution of smokers is beyond the pale. If she thinks passive cigarette smoke is a problem she'd do well to get herself an air-sampler and get the ambient air in and around Newport checked out - then she'd have ample cause for horror and nightmares. This type of passive cigarette smoke is perfectly harmless , there is absolutely no evidence that it causes any disease at all - pure propaganda. If it was so harmful, governments would have a duty to completely ban it - it isn't and they won't. lowandhardandinthecorner
  • Score: -2

5:24pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

bugsy93 wrote:
Perhaps she would prefer to see drunks vomiting or junkies sticking needles in their arms at the bus stops.Our atmosphere contains far worse than cigarette smoke.
So you justify one wrong by pointing out there are others ? How that sorts it out defies belief. You cannot smoke in the old bus station you can in the new one, has the law changed since they relocated the buses ? This crap in the atmosphere is responsible for flooding and adverse weather too. No one will tackle it because its a great earner for the taxman....
[quote][p][bold]bugsy93[/bold] wrote: Perhaps she would prefer to see drunks vomiting or junkies sticking needles in their arms at the bus stops.Our atmosphere contains far worse than cigarette smoke.[/p][/quote]So you justify one wrong by pointing out there are others ? How that sorts it out defies belief. You cannot smoke in the old bus station you can in the new one, has the law changed since they relocated the buses ? This crap in the atmosphere is responsible for flooding and adverse weather too. No one will tackle it because its a great earner for the taxman.... Mervyn James
  • Score: 6

7:57am Fri 21 Feb 14

Outthere says...

Both Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board in North Wales and Aneurin Bevan Health Board in southeast Wales will introduce new rules preventing people from smoking anywhere on NHS property.
Dr Gill Richardson, director of public health at Aneurin Bevan Health Board, said: “There is clear evidence there is no safe level of exposure to tobacco smoke.

I work with smokers, they have an area away from the entrances where they can happily smoke and cause themselves health issues, which I then have to help fund, using my taxes when they have chest infection etc, needing antibiotics or are emited to hospital.
Young people smoking should take a visit to the chest wards to see their future and the stuff these patients cough up. Might make them think twice.
Both Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board in North Wales and Aneurin Bevan Health Board in southeast Wales will introduce new rules preventing people from smoking anywhere on NHS property. Dr Gill Richardson, director of public health at Aneurin Bevan Health Board, said: “There is clear evidence there is no safe level of exposure to tobacco smoke. I work with smokers, they have an area away from the entrances where they can happily smoke and cause themselves health issues, which I then have to help fund, using my taxes when they have chest infection etc, needing antibiotics or are emited to hospital. Young people smoking should take a visit to the chest wards to see their future and the stuff these patients cough up. Might make them think twice. Outthere
  • Score: 6

2:23pm Fri 21 Feb 14

MERoden says...

You lot do nothing, but moan and groan. Ok yes, I agree that having just the Market Square Bus Station and the rest of the buses at various stops on Queensway is a bit messy at the moment, but don't you realise why it is like this?

It is because work on the new Friars Walk Shopping Centre development will be starting soon. Part of this development is a new bus station, which will be pretty close to the current Market Square bus station. This will be in addition to the Market Square bus station. Therefore, the current bus arrangement is just temporary while the development work takes place. The work on this development will be starting very shortly sometime next month (i.e. March).

Helen Crimmins is making a right show of herself. She needs to stop this nonsense at once. What about all the bus shelters throughout Newport and elsewhere? Are we supposed to ban smoking at every one of these? She is asking for the impossible.

It is about time people in Newport started supporting the city centre. Last year was the worst year for Newport, but it has turned a corner. There is a big improvement already at Newport Market. The new Friars Walk Shopping Centre development will be good for Newport. What we need people to do now is to support the existing city centre traders in the meantime, such as Wildings, Java Coffee House, Arnolds etc. It is no good moaning about the city centre and then doing all your shopping elsewhere, such as Spytty Retail Park and Cwmbran. That does nothing to help Newport.

So come on everyone, what we want is positive action for a change, and that applies just as much to the people of Newport as it does to Newport Council and the Developers.
You lot do nothing, but moan and groan. Ok yes, I agree that having just the Market Square Bus Station and the rest of the buses at various stops on Queensway is a bit messy at the moment, but don't you realise why it is like this? It is because work on the new Friars Walk Shopping Centre development will be starting soon. Part of this development is a new bus station, which will be pretty close to the current Market Square bus station. This will be in addition to the Market Square bus station. Therefore, the current bus arrangement is just temporary while the development work takes place. The work on this development will be starting very shortly sometime next month (i.e. March). Helen Crimmins is making a right show of herself. She needs to stop this nonsense at once. What about all the bus shelters throughout Newport and elsewhere? Are we supposed to ban smoking at every one of these? She is asking for the impossible. It is about time people in Newport started supporting the city centre. Last year was the worst year for Newport, but it has turned a corner. There is a big improvement already at Newport Market. The new Friars Walk Shopping Centre development will be good for Newport. What we need people to do now is to support the existing city centre traders in the meantime, such as Wildings, Java Coffee House, Arnolds etc. It is no good moaning about the city centre and then doing all your shopping elsewhere, such as Spytty Retail Park and Cwmbran. That does nothing to help Newport. So come on everyone, what we want is positive action for a change, and that applies just as much to the people of Newport as it does to Newport Council and the Developers. MERoden
  • Score: -3

7:06pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Wildethoughts says...

You can't go anywhere in Newport without someone blowing their smoke into your face. Its awful! Has to be the unhealthiest city in the UK. It shouldn't have to be about laws, or the design of buildings, or local councils! It should be about people aspiring to live in an environment where health is a priority. Its hard to be proud of a city which leaves you with such a mad taste at the back of your throat. The people of Newport deserve better and can do better.
You can't go anywhere in Newport without someone blowing their smoke into your face. Its awful! Has to be the unhealthiest city in the UK. It shouldn't have to be about laws, or the design of buildings, or local councils! It should be about people aspiring to live in an environment where health is a priority. Its hard to be proud of a city which leaves you with such a mad taste at the back of your throat. The people of Newport deserve better and can do better. Wildethoughts
  • Score: 1

7:07pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Wildethoughts says...

You can't go anywhere in Newport without someone blowing their smoke into your face. Its awful! Has to be the unhealthiest city in the UK. It shouldn't have to be about laws, or the design of buildings, or local councils! It should be about people aspiring to live in an environment where health is a priority. Its hard to be proud of a city which leaves you with such a bad taste at the back of your throat. The people of Newport deserve better and can do better.
You can't go anywhere in Newport without someone blowing their smoke into your face. Its awful! Has to be the unhealthiest city in the UK. It shouldn't have to be about laws, or the design of buildings, or local councils! It should be about people aspiring to live in an environment where health is a priority. Its hard to be proud of a city which leaves you with such a bad taste at the back of your throat. The people of Newport deserve better and can do better. Wildethoughts
  • Score: 4

9:11am Sun 23 Feb 14

Furface says...

lowandhardandintheco
rner
wrote:
She needs to get over herself. All this righteous indignation about someone smoking in the open air! I'm a non-smoker but this rabid persecution of smokers is beyond the pale.
If she thinks passive cigarette smoke is a problem she'd do well to get herself an air-sampler and get the ambient air in and around Newport checked out - then she'd have ample cause for horror and nightmares.
This type of passive cigarette smoke is perfectly harmless , there is absolutely no evidence that it causes any disease at all - pure propaganda.
If it was so harmful, governments would have a duty to completely ban it - it isn't and they won't.
As a mum of 2 yr old twins with chronic lung disease, I cannot agree with your last two sentences. Can you tell me why our respiratory consultant told us that anyone smoking around our daughters(in another room or coming back in straight after a cigarette) and even those who hadn't smoked for a while but had smoke on their clothes would prove harmful to their condition with the smoke hanging around in the air! I have seen my little girls struggle for breath whilst on oxygen and whilst I appreciate my situation isn't common I would rather not take the chance thank you. I do not wish to enhale other people's smoke period and would never ever take the chance with my children, whether with a chronic lung disease or not.
[quote][p][bold]lowandhardandintheco rner[/bold] wrote: She needs to get over herself. All this righteous indignation about someone smoking in the open air! I'm a non-smoker but this rabid persecution of smokers is beyond the pale. If she thinks passive cigarette smoke is a problem she'd do well to get herself an air-sampler and get the ambient air in and around Newport checked out - then she'd have ample cause for horror and nightmares. This type of passive cigarette smoke is perfectly harmless , there is absolutely no evidence that it causes any disease at all - pure propaganda. If it was so harmful, governments would have a duty to completely ban it - it isn't and they won't.[/p][/quote]As a mum of 2 yr old twins with chronic lung disease, I cannot agree with your last two sentences. Can you tell me why our respiratory consultant told us that anyone smoking around our daughters(in another room or coming back in straight after a cigarette) and even those who hadn't smoked for a while but had smoke on their clothes would prove harmful to their condition with the smoke hanging around in the air! I have seen my little girls struggle for breath whilst on oxygen and whilst I appreciate my situation isn't common I would rather not take the chance thank you. I do not wish to enhale other people's smoke period and would never ever take the chance with my children, whether with a chronic lung disease or not. Furface
  • Score: 5

8:25pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

MERoden wrote:
You lot do nothing, but moan and groan. Ok yes, I agree that having just the Market Square Bus Station and the rest of the buses at various stops on Queensway is a bit messy at the moment, but don't you realise why it is like this?

It is because work on the new Friars Walk Shopping Centre development will be starting soon. Part of this development is a new bus station, which will be pretty close to the current Market Square bus station. This will be in addition to the Market Square bus station. Therefore, the current bus arrangement is just temporary while the development work takes place. The work on this development will be starting very shortly sometime next month (i.e. March).

Helen Crimmins is making a right show of herself. She needs to stop this nonsense at once. What about all the bus shelters throughout Newport and elsewhere? Are we supposed to ban smoking at every one of these? She is asking for the impossible.

It is about time people in Newport started supporting the city centre. Last year was the worst year for Newport, but it has turned a corner. There is a big improvement already at Newport Market. The new Friars Walk Shopping Centre development will be good for Newport. What we need people to do now is to support the existing city centre traders in the meantime, such as Wildings, Java Coffee House, Arnolds etc. It is no good moaning about the city centre and then doing all your shopping elsewhere, such as Spytty Retail Park and Cwmbran. That does nothing to help Newport.

So come on everyone, what we want is positive action for a change, and that applies just as much to the people of Newport as it does to Newport Council and the Developers.
That's the rub Newport didn't support the shops that are there. To be honest I haven't seen any improvement at the Market,traders say nothing has changed for them so far, not even with the bus station outside. As I am aware money has been found to get rid of the eyesores, but no money as yet to rebuild ? I was sitting in 'Betty's' cafe the other week, and was thinking the view is 10 times better with no shops opposite and maybe a park would look superior. People should be more pro-active in asking smokers to stub it out, but we face assault and abuse if we try, there is more than second hand smoke to deal with, but addicts who are hostile and abusive too. If smoking is supposed to be a pacifier, it aint working !
[quote][p][bold]MERoden[/bold] wrote: You lot do nothing, but moan and groan. Ok yes, I agree that having just the Market Square Bus Station and the rest of the buses at various stops on Queensway is a bit messy at the moment, but don't you realise why it is like this? It is because work on the new Friars Walk Shopping Centre development will be starting soon. Part of this development is a new bus station, which will be pretty close to the current Market Square bus station. This will be in addition to the Market Square bus station. Therefore, the current bus arrangement is just temporary while the development work takes place. The work on this development will be starting very shortly sometime next month (i.e. March). Helen Crimmins is making a right show of herself. She needs to stop this nonsense at once. What about all the bus shelters throughout Newport and elsewhere? Are we supposed to ban smoking at every one of these? She is asking for the impossible. It is about time people in Newport started supporting the city centre. Last year was the worst year for Newport, but it has turned a corner. There is a big improvement already at Newport Market. The new Friars Walk Shopping Centre development will be good for Newport. What we need people to do now is to support the existing city centre traders in the meantime, such as Wildings, Java Coffee House, Arnolds etc. It is no good moaning about the city centre and then doing all your shopping elsewhere, such as Spytty Retail Park and Cwmbran. That does nothing to help Newport. So come on everyone, what we want is positive action for a change, and that applies just as much to the people of Newport as it does to Newport Council and the Developers.[/p][/quote]That's the rub Newport didn't support the shops that are there. To be honest I haven't seen any improvement at the Market,traders say nothing has changed for them so far, not even with the bus station outside. As I am aware money has been found to get rid of the eyesores, but no money as yet to rebuild ? I was sitting in 'Betty's' cafe the other week, and was thinking the view is 10 times better with no shops opposite and maybe a park would look superior. People should be more pro-active in asking smokers to stub it out, but we face assault and abuse if we try, there is more than second hand smoke to deal with, but addicts who are hostile and abusive too. If smoking is supposed to be a pacifier, it aint working ! Mervyn James
  • Score: 1

3:46pm Mon 24 Feb 14

DavidMclean says...

dinnerlady52 wrote:
Okay then who will hold their hands up and take responsibility for this blunder with planning and design , how much difference is there with the new bus station compared to the old which was redeemed a NO SMOKING area , think the council like to make and bend the rules to fit in with their mistakes .
Newport Council has said it, “fully supports and understands” the views of non-smokers , but said they cannot legally prohibit people from smoking as it is not classed within government legislation as a substantially enclosed space.
If that's the case then the railway station platforms should also become a carry on smoking zone as they are more open than the confined spaces in the bus station .
The railway station is privately owned (I believe) and therefore it is up to the owners as to whether or not they allow or ban smoking on the platforms. There may be no legally requirement for Network Rail to ban smoking on platforms, they just choose to do so. However, the law WILL cover enclosed spaces at the station.

The bus station is a different case altogether and is a public space, but it does not fit within the criteria whereby a ban would cover it.

Newport Council can't go making up their own laws. Just imagine the carnage if they did!
[quote][p][bold]dinnerlady52[/bold] wrote: Okay then who will hold their hands up and take responsibility for this blunder with planning and design , how much difference is there with the new bus station compared to the old which was redeemed a NO SMOKING area , think the council like to make and bend the rules to fit in with their mistakes . Newport Council has said it, “fully supports and understands” the views of non-smokers , but said they cannot legally prohibit people from smoking as it is not classed within government legislation as a substantially enclosed space. If that's the case then the railway station platforms should also become a carry on smoking zone as they are more open than the confined spaces in the bus station .[/p][/quote]The railway station is privately owned (I believe) and therefore it is up to the owners as to whether or not they allow or ban smoking on the platforms. There may be no legally requirement for Network Rail to ban smoking on platforms, they just choose to do so. However, the law WILL cover enclosed spaces at the station. The bus station is a different case altogether and is a public space, but it does not fit within the criteria whereby a ban would cover it. Newport Council can't go making up their own laws. Just imagine the carnage if they did! DavidMclean
  • Score: -1

3:48pm Mon 24 Feb 14

DavidMclean says...

thedukeofdorkness wrote:
Just says it all about Newport really... I mean if she was horrified then I think she over reacted slightly and needs to get a grip, but what does she expect from Newport? The scum there probably think it's ok to pollute the air of little children who haven't taken a conscious choice to fill their lungs with smoke.
Newport council have got it wrong - if smoking is banned on train platforms then it should most certainly be banned at a bus station.
Errr! Newport Council doesn't run the railway station. Neither does a council run Heathrow Airport.
[quote][p][bold]thedukeofdorkness[/bold] wrote: Just says it all about Newport really... I mean if she was horrified then I think she over reacted slightly and needs to get a grip, but what does she expect from Newport? The scum there probably think it's ok to pollute the air of little children who haven't taken a conscious choice to fill their lungs with smoke. Newport council have got it wrong - if smoking is banned on train platforms then it should most certainly be banned at a bus station.[/p][/quote]Errr! Newport Council doesn't run the railway station. Neither does a council run Heathrow Airport. DavidMclean
  • Score: -1

3:49pm Mon 24 Feb 14

DavidMclean says...

thedukeofdorkness wrote:
You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.
Again...

Comments on here would be so much more valid if people actually had a clue.
[quote][p][bold]thedukeofdorkness[/bold] wrote: You can't get much more open than a train platform!! Fact is, a bus station is a public place where people will have to congregate for a period of time while they wait for a bus... Why should a non-smokers and children with perfectly healthy lungs have to be subject to passive smoking while they wait for a bus? but not a train?!! What the we need to see is consistency, something the Newport council seem to lack.[/p][/quote]Again... Comments on here would be so much more valid if people actually had a clue. DavidMclean
  • Score: -1

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