Newport Council on track for underspend

Newport Council on track for underspend

Newport Council on track for underspend

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NEWPORT council remains on track to have an underspend of just over £2million for the end of the year.

A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme and changes to help the authority save money.

The report, which goes to a meeting of Newport council’s cabinet on Monday, says the authority is forecasting an underspend of £2.175 million.

If money set aside as a contingency is not needed then the forecast becomes an underspend of £3.6 million.

“Clearly the current forecast underspend is a very welcome position,” the report reads.

“However there remain a number of short to medium term challenges the council will need to fund from one-off resources.”

It says these are the implementation of a new pay and grading scheme, and funds required to implement the change and efficiency programme.

This is estimated to cost around £10 million – but the Invest to Save reserve available to fund these forecasted to be around £9 million on March 31.

Some council areas are predicted to overspend, however. The Street Scene department, which covers waste, is expected to overspend by £325,000.

Pressures on the budget at the department include the likelihood that Newport Transport will not pay a dividend, the cost of the underground fire at Duffryn and an increase in leachate disposal costs at the council’s landfill site.

Chief executive of Newport council Will Godfrey has previously pointed out that £2 million underspend is less than one per cent of the overall spend of the council.

Like all councils in Wales, Newport is facing a decline in the amount of money it receives from the Welsh Government, due to cuts that have been made by the Tory/Lib Dem coalition in Westminster.

Most of the council’s budget – around £250 million a year – is raised from Welsh Government grant cash, with council tax only making up around 12 per cent of the overall budget.

The authority agreed to rise council tax by 4.5 per cent at its full council meeting at the end of February.

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8:29am Wed 12 Mar 14

NickWebb says...

The reference made above to the reduction in funding from the UK Government does not tell the full story. A block grant for all portfolios is passed from the UK Government to the Welsh Government. It is then up to the Welsh Government how to divide up that total.

In both England and Scotland local authorities have been funded to freeze council tax. The Welsh Government had the funding provided to do this but opted not to.

Furthermore, in England policies such as the New Homes Bonus, City Deals and schemes to retain a proportion of business rates locally have allowed local authorities to access additional funding streams. The Welsh Government has not adopted similar policies.
The reference made above to the reduction in funding from the UK Government does not tell the full story. A block grant for all portfolios is passed from the UK Government to the Welsh Government. It is then up to the Welsh Government how to divide up that total. In both England and Scotland local authorities have been funded to freeze council tax. The Welsh Government had the funding provided to do this but opted not to. Furthermore, in England policies such as the New Homes Bonus, City Deals and schemes to retain a proportion of business rates locally have allowed local authorities to access additional funding streams. The Welsh Government has not adopted similar policies. NickWebb
  • Score: 20

8:46am Wed 12 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Doesn't look good for the future in Wales.
Still, I am sure Carwyn will have the answer.
Looks as though we will be worthy of our 'third world' status for a long time yet.
Even that proposed racetrack in Ebbw Vale seems 'pie in the sky' after last nights Week in Week Out.
Disappointing for the local people who seem to be relying on it though.
Good news quickly turns to bad in Wales unfortunately.
Doesn't look good for the future in Wales. Still, I am sure Carwyn will have the answer. Looks as though we will be worthy of our 'third world' status for a long time yet. Even that proposed racetrack in Ebbw Vale seems 'pie in the sky' after last nights Week in Week Out. Disappointing for the local people who seem to be relying on it though. Good news quickly turns to bad in Wales unfortunately. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 14

9:09am Wed 12 Mar 14

white white says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Doesn't look good for the future in Wales.
Still, I am sure Carwyn will have the answer.
Looks as though we will be worthy of our 'third world' status for a long time yet.
Even that proposed racetrack in Ebbw Vale seems 'pie in the sky' after last nights Week in Week Out.
Disappointing for the local people who seem to be relying on it though.
Good news quickly turns to bad in Wales unfortunately.
Instead of having a pop at the wag try having a pop
At the Westminster government who insists on giving
billions away in aid to foreign governments who don't
Need it . Just think if Westminster ploughed all the money
They give away to the above mentioned ,then people
In the UK .all of the UK might have a decent chance and that's
The armed forces , nhs ,schools doctors nurses teachers law
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: Doesn't look good for the future in Wales. Still, I am sure Carwyn will have the answer. Looks as though we will be worthy of our 'third world' status for a long time yet. Even that proposed racetrack in Ebbw Vale seems 'pie in the sky' after last nights Week in Week Out. Disappointing for the local people who seem to be relying on it though. Good news quickly turns to bad in Wales unfortunately.[/p][/quote]Instead of having a pop at the wag try having a pop At the Westminster government who insists on giving billions away in aid to foreign governments who don't Need it . Just think if Westminster ploughed all the money They give away to the above mentioned ,then people In the UK .all of the UK might have a decent chance and that's The armed forces , nhs ,schools doctors nurses teachers law white white
  • Score: 2

10:06am Wed 12 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

white white wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Doesn't look good for the future in Wales.
Still, I am sure Carwyn will have the answer.
Looks as though we will be worthy of our 'third world' status for a long time yet.
Even that proposed racetrack in Ebbw Vale seems 'pie in the sky' after last nights Week in Week Out.
Disappointing for the local people who seem to be relying on it though.
Good news quickly turns to bad in Wales unfortunately.
Instead of having a pop at the wag try having a pop
At the Westminster government who insists on giving
billions away in aid to foreign governments who don't
Need it . Just think if Westminster ploughed all the money
They give away to the above mentioned ,then people
In the UK .all of the UK might have a decent chance and that's
The armed forces , nhs ,schools doctors nurses teachers law
Yes and that Westminster Government gave Wales away under Tony Bliars watch.
Now destined for the dustbin of history forever under Labour.
Now that they have all but got rid of us, they can improve their own system, which seems to be happening as we appear to be going backwards compared with England.
Just imagine Wales in 20 years time, do you think that we will be a prosperous nation by then?
I don't think so, we will still be chained to the purse strings of Westminster so be careful not to bite the hand that feeds you.
[quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: Doesn't look good for the future in Wales. Still, I am sure Carwyn will have the answer. Looks as though we will be worthy of our 'third world' status for a long time yet. Even that proposed racetrack in Ebbw Vale seems 'pie in the sky' after last nights Week in Week Out. Disappointing for the local people who seem to be relying on it though. Good news quickly turns to bad in Wales unfortunately.[/p][/quote]Instead of having a pop at the wag try having a pop At the Westminster government who insists on giving billions away in aid to foreign governments who don't Need it . Just think if Westminster ploughed all the money They give away to the above mentioned ,then people In the UK .all of the UK might have a decent chance and that's The armed forces , nhs ,schools doctors nurses teachers law[/p][/quote]Yes and that Westminster Government gave Wales away under Tony Bliars watch. Now destined for the dustbin of history forever under Labour. Now that they have all but got rid of us, they can improve their own system, which seems to be happening as we appear to be going backwards compared with England. Just imagine Wales in 20 years time, do you think that we will be a prosperous nation by then? I don't think so, we will still be chained to the purse strings of Westminster so be careful not to bite the hand that feeds you. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 17

10:31am Wed 12 Mar 14

pwharley says...

Why is Newport Transport not paying a dividend?
Their fares in Newport are higher than Stagecoach!
Why is Newport Transport not paying a dividend? Their fares in Newport are higher than Stagecoach! pwharley
  • Score: 2

10:52am Wed 12 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Most of the council’s budget – around £250 million a year – is raised from Welsh Government grant cash, with council tax only making up around 12 per cent of the overall budget.

Well that doesn't ring true. The council are saying that they get around £30,000,000 a year from council tax. Yet, if we divide that by 56,500 (the approx' number of households in Newport) we get an average figure of around £530/year/household - which is still significantly less than the very lowest band of council tax - band A which is around £704/year.

The figures therefore are clearly false and would indicate that the income from council tax is considerably higher than the 12% shortfall in its budget from the WAG.

I'm also interested to hear the exact details and significance of the following: -

A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme.

If this refers to paying the lowest paid workers a living wage, then fine. If it means however that the whole pay scale will change because of that, then that isn't fine. As some of you may be aware, pay scales in Newport council are calculated based on a multiplier of the lowest paid. The higher your scale, the higher your multiplier - so an increase of say £1/hr to a living wage at the bottom, means an increase of more than £20,000 per year to someone like Will Godfrey
Most of the council’s budget – around £250 million a year – is raised from Welsh Government grant cash, with council tax only making up around 12 per cent of the overall budget. Well that doesn't ring true. The council are saying that they get around £30,000,000 a year from council tax. Yet, if we divide that by 56,500 (the approx' number of households in Newport) we get an average figure of around £530/year/household - which is still significantly less than the very lowest band of council tax - band A which is around £704/year. The figures therefore are clearly false and would indicate that the income from council tax is considerably higher than the 12% shortfall in its budget from the WAG. I'm also interested to hear the exact details and significance of the following: - A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme. If this refers to paying the lowest paid workers a living wage, then fine. If it means however that the whole pay scale will change because of that, then that isn't fine. As some of you may be aware, pay scales in Newport council are calculated based on a multiplier of the lowest paid. The higher your scale, the higher your multiplier - so an increase of say £1/hr to a living wage at the bottom, means an increase of more than £20,000 per year to someone like Will Godfrey GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 12

11:57am Wed 12 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Most of the council’s budget – around £250 million a year – is raised from Welsh Government grant cash, with council tax only making up around 12 per cent of the overall budget.

Well that doesn't ring true. The council are saying that they get around £30,000,000 a year from council tax. Yet, if we divide that by 56,500 (the approx' number of households in Newport) we get an average figure of around £530/year/household - which is still significantly less than the very lowest band of council tax - band A which is around £704/year.

The figures therefore are clearly false and would indicate that the income from council tax is considerably higher than the 12% shortfall in its budget from the WAG.

I'm also interested to hear the exact details and significance of the following: -

A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme.

If this refers to paying the lowest paid workers a living wage, then fine. If it means however that the whole pay scale will change because of that, then that isn't fine. As some of you may be aware, pay scales in Newport council are calculated based on a multiplier of the lowest paid. The higher your scale, the higher your multiplier - so an increase of say £1/hr to a living wage at the bottom, means an increase of more than £20,000 per year to someone like Will Godfrey
Why don't you query this anomaly with the Council Tax directly with them?
It would be very interesting for all of us to know how they come up with this paltry figure when we are paying much higher rates than this, according to your calculations.
B****y shambles as usual.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Most of the council’s budget – around £250 million a year – is raised from Welsh Government grant cash, with council tax only making up around 12 per cent of the overall budget. Well that doesn't ring true. The council are saying that they get around £30,000,000 a year from council tax. Yet, if we divide that by 56,500 (the approx' number of households in Newport) we get an average figure of around £530/year/household - which is still significantly less than the very lowest band of council tax - band A which is around £704/year. The figures therefore are clearly false and would indicate that the income from council tax is considerably higher than the 12% shortfall in its budget from the WAG. I'm also interested to hear the exact details and significance of the following: - A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme. If this refers to paying the lowest paid workers a living wage, then fine. If it means however that the whole pay scale will change because of that, then that isn't fine. As some of you may be aware, pay scales in Newport council are calculated based on a multiplier of the lowest paid. The higher your scale, the higher your multiplier - so an increase of say £1/hr to a living wage at the bottom, means an increase of more than £20,000 per year to someone like Will Godfrey[/p][/quote]Why don't you query this anomaly with the Council Tax directly with them? It would be very interesting for all of us to know how they come up with this paltry figure when we are paying much higher rates than this, according to your calculations. B****y shambles as usual. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 11

12:26pm Wed 12 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
Most of the council’s budget – around £250 million a year – is raised from Welsh Government grant cash, with council tax only making up around 12 per cent of the overall budget.

Well that doesn't ring true. The council are saying that they get around £30,000,000 a year from council tax. Yet, if we divide that by 56,500 (the approx' number of households in Newport) we get an average figure of around £530/year/household - which is still significantly less than the very lowest band of council tax - band A which is around £704/year.

The figures therefore are clearly false and would indicate that the income from council tax is considerably higher than the 12% shortfall in its budget from the WAG.

I'm also interested to hear the exact details and significance of the following: -

A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme.

If this refers to paying the lowest paid workers a living wage, then fine. If it means however that the whole pay scale will change because of that, then that isn't fine. As some of you may be aware, pay scales in Newport council are calculated based on a multiplier of the lowest paid. The higher your scale, the higher your multiplier - so an increase of say £1/hr to a living wage at the bottom, means an increase of more than £20,000 per year to someone like Will Godfrey
Why don't you query this anomaly with the Council Tax directly with them?
It would be very interesting for all of us to know how they come up with this paltry figure when we are paying much higher rates than this, according to your calculations.
B****y shambles as usual.
Here's another interesting little calculation for you.

Multiply the £175 difference between the average rate and the lowest band by the number of households, and it amounts to a little shy of a staggering £9.9 million a year.

Seeing as most households pay more than Band A tax, and with another increase in the pipeline, you're looking at potentially tens of millions of pounds a year that's being raised through council tax that goes........ where exactly?
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Most of the council’s budget – around £250 million a year – is raised from Welsh Government grant cash, with council tax only making up around 12 per cent of the overall budget. Well that doesn't ring true. The council are saying that they get around £30,000,000 a year from council tax. Yet, if we divide that by 56,500 (the approx' number of households in Newport) we get an average figure of around £530/year/household - which is still significantly less than the very lowest band of council tax - band A which is around £704/year. The figures therefore are clearly false and would indicate that the income from council tax is considerably higher than the 12% shortfall in its budget from the WAG. I'm also interested to hear the exact details and significance of the following: - A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme. If this refers to paying the lowest paid workers a living wage, then fine. If it means however that the whole pay scale will change because of that, then that isn't fine. As some of you may be aware, pay scales in Newport council are calculated based on a multiplier of the lowest paid. The higher your scale, the higher your multiplier - so an increase of say £1/hr to a living wage at the bottom, means an increase of more than £20,000 per year to someone like Will Godfrey[/p][/quote]Why don't you query this anomaly with the Council Tax directly with them? It would be very interesting for all of us to know how they come up with this paltry figure when we are paying much higher rates than this, according to your calculations. B****y shambles as usual.[/p][/quote]Here's another interesting little calculation for you. Multiply the £175 difference between the average rate and the lowest band by the number of households, and it amounts to a little shy of a staggering £9.9 million a year. Seeing as most households pay more than Band A tax, and with another increase in the pipeline, you're looking at potentially tens of millions of pounds a year that's being raised through council tax that goes........ where exactly? GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 12

12:38pm Wed 12 Mar 14

squirrelchez says...

pwharley wrote:
Why is Newport Transport not paying a dividend? Their fares in Newport are higher than Stagecoach!
What Stagecoach buses are you catching?? NT fares are £3 for a day ticket. If you want a day ticket on Stagecoach, it's well over £6 - I think almost £7 now. Just for a local Stagecoach return fare (ie. Cwmbran town centre to one of the localities), you're looking at over £2, whereas as far as I'm aware NT don't seel return tickets - they are day tickets, so at least you can use them as many times as you want in 1 day. I don't know what you've been paying for...!
[quote][p][bold]pwharley[/bold] wrote: Why is Newport Transport not paying a dividend? Their fares in Newport are higher than Stagecoach![/p][/quote]What Stagecoach buses are you catching?? NT fares are £3 for a day ticket. If you want a day ticket on Stagecoach, it's well over £6 - I think almost £7 now. Just for a local Stagecoach return fare (ie. Cwmbran town centre to one of the localities), you're looking at over £2, whereas as far as I'm aware NT don't seel return tickets - they are day tickets, so at least you can use them as many times as you want in 1 day. I don't know what you've been paying for...! squirrelchez
  • Score: 7

12:52pm Wed 12 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
Most of the council’s budget – around £250 million a year – is raised from Welsh Government grant cash, with council tax only making up around 12 per cent of the overall budget.

Well that doesn't ring true. The council are saying that they get around £30,000,000 a year from council tax. Yet, if we divide that by 56,500 (the approx' number of households in Newport) we get an average figure of around £530/year/household - which is still significantly less than the very lowest band of council tax - band A which is around £704/year.

The figures therefore are clearly false and would indicate that the income from council tax is considerably higher than the 12% shortfall in its budget from the WAG.

I'm also interested to hear the exact details and significance of the following: -

A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme.

If this refers to paying the lowest paid workers a living wage, then fine. If it means however that the whole pay scale will change because of that, then that isn't fine. As some of you may be aware, pay scales in Newport council are calculated based on a multiplier of the lowest paid. The higher your scale, the higher your multiplier - so an increase of say £1/hr to a living wage at the bottom, means an increase of more than £20,000 per year to someone like Will Godfrey
Why don't you query this anomaly with the Council Tax directly with them?
It would be very interesting for all of us to know how they come up with this paltry figure when we are paying much higher rates than this, according to your calculations.
B****y shambles as usual.
Here's another interesting little calculation for you.

Multiply the £175 difference between the average rate and the lowest band by the number of households, and it amounts to a little shy of a staggering £9.9 million a year.

Seeing as most households pay more than Band A tax, and with another increase in the pipeline, you're looking at potentially tens of millions of pounds a year that's being raised through council tax that goes........ where exactly?
Yet more calculations - an increase of 4.5% on £30m = £1.35m.

Yet an increase of 4.5% on everyone paying band A tax = £1.79m

Clearly the council are telling porkies about council tax, and are obviously hoping we're all too stupid to notice.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Most of the council’s budget – around £250 million a year – is raised from Welsh Government grant cash, with council tax only making up around 12 per cent of the overall budget. Well that doesn't ring true. The council are saying that they get around £30,000,000 a year from council tax. Yet, if we divide that by 56,500 (the approx' number of households in Newport) we get an average figure of around £530/year/household - which is still significantly less than the very lowest band of council tax - band A which is around £704/year. The figures therefore are clearly false and would indicate that the income from council tax is considerably higher than the 12% shortfall in its budget from the WAG. I'm also interested to hear the exact details and significance of the following: - A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme. If this refers to paying the lowest paid workers a living wage, then fine. If it means however that the whole pay scale will change because of that, then that isn't fine. As some of you may be aware, pay scales in Newport council are calculated based on a multiplier of the lowest paid. The higher your scale, the higher your multiplier - so an increase of say £1/hr to a living wage at the bottom, means an increase of more than £20,000 per year to someone like Will Godfrey[/p][/quote]Why don't you query this anomaly with the Council Tax directly with them? It would be very interesting for all of us to know how they come up with this paltry figure when we are paying much higher rates than this, according to your calculations. B****y shambles as usual.[/p][/quote]Here's another interesting little calculation for you. Multiply the £175 difference between the average rate and the lowest band by the number of households, and it amounts to a little shy of a staggering £9.9 million a year. Seeing as most households pay more than Band A tax, and with another increase in the pipeline, you're looking at potentially tens of millions of pounds a year that's being raised through council tax that goes........ where exactly?[/p][/quote]Yet more calculations - an increase of 4.5% on £30m = £1.35m. Yet an increase of 4.5% on everyone paying band A tax = £1.79m Clearly the council are telling porkies about council tax, and are obviously hoping we're all too stupid to notice. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 8

1:09pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Sometimes says...

Just to chip in with the Council Tax maths, Not all of the 56,500 households pay council tax and if you live on your own, you get 25% discount.
Just to chip in with the Council Tax maths, Not all of the 56,500 households pay council tax and if you live on your own, you get 25% discount. Sometimes
  • Score: 9

1:13pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Magor says...

Use it to clean up Newport,potential investors won't want to see graffiti and filth all over the place.
Use it to clean up Newport,potential investors won't want to see graffiti and filth all over the place. Magor
  • Score: 10

1:32pm Wed 12 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Sometimes wrote:
Just to chip in with the Council Tax maths, Not all of the 56,500 households pay council tax and if you live on your own, you get 25% discount.
Yup, obviously they're rough figures, and there are factors I haven't allowed for. But I will say that I based all my calculations on the lowest band - as I don't have info on band distribution in Newport. So really, the figures probably still stand as a 'lowest' rough figure.
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Just to chip in with the Council Tax maths, Not all of the 56,500 households pay council tax and if you live on your own, you get 25% discount.[/p][/quote]Yup, obviously they're rough figures, and there are factors I haven't allowed for. But I will say that I based all my calculations on the lowest band - as I don't have info on band distribution in Newport. So really, the figures probably still stand as a 'lowest' rough figure. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 3

2:34pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Sometimes wrote:
Just to chip in with the Council Tax maths, Not all of the 56,500 households pay council tax and if you live on your own, you get 25% discount.
Yeah, good point.
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Just to chip in with the Council Tax maths, Not all of the 56,500 households pay council tax and if you live on your own, you get 25% discount.[/p][/quote]Yeah, good point. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 4

2:37pm Wed 12 Mar 14

33daverave says...

Remember a third of your Council Tax doesn't go to services, it goes into Council workers pension funds. Nice.
Remember a third of your Council Tax doesn't go to services, it goes into Council workers pension funds. Nice. 33daverave
  • Score: 1

3:06pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

I would like to know the exact amount that goes in wages and workers pension funds and see what is left over for services.
I know it costs me a b****y fortune for them to empty my bins as they do almost b****r all else for the extortionate amount I pay.
I would like to know the exact amount that goes in wages and workers pension funds and see what is left over for services. I know it costs me a b****y fortune for them to empty my bins as they do almost b****r all else for the extortionate amount I pay. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 1

3:30pm Wed 12 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

So don't pay it.
So don't pay it. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -2

4:32pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Doesn't look good for the future in Wales.
Still, I am sure Carwyn will have the answer.
Looks as though we will be worthy of our 'third world' status for a long time yet.
Even that proposed racetrack in Ebbw Vale seems 'pie in the sky' after last nights Week in Week Out.
Disappointing for the local people who seem to be relying on it though.
Good news quickly turns to bad in Wales unfortunately.
'Still, I am sure Carwyn will have the answer.'

If that numpty has the answer I shudder to think what the question is.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: Doesn't look good for the future in Wales. Still, I am sure Carwyn will have the answer. Looks as though we will be worthy of our 'third world' status for a long time yet. Even that proposed racetrack in Ebbw Vale seems 'pie in the sky' after last nights Week in Week Out. Disappointing for the local people who seem to be relying on it though. Good news quickly turns to bad in Wales unfortunately.[/p][/quote]'Still, I am sure Carwyn will have the answer.' If that numpty has the answer I shudder to think what the question is. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 9

5:26pm Wed 12 Mar 14

GogExile says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Most of the council’s budget – around £250 million a year – is raised from Welsh Government grant cash, with council tax only making up around 12 per cent of the overall budget.

Well that doesn't ring true. The council are saying that they get around £30,000,000 a year from council tax. Yet, if we divide that by 56,500 (the approx' number of households in Newport) we get an average figure of around £530/year/household - which is still significantly less than the very lowest band of council tax - band A which is around £704/year.

The figures therefore are clearly false and would indicate that the income from council tax is considerably higher than the 12% shortfall in its budget from the WAG.

I'm also interested to hear the exact details and significance of the following: -

A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme.

If this refers to paying the lowest paid workers a living wage, then fine. If it means however that the whole pay scale will change because of that, then that isn't fine. As some of you may be aware, pay scales in Newport council are calculated based on a multiplier of the lowest paid. The higher your scale, the higher your multiplier - so an increase of say £1/hr to a living wage at the bottom, means an increase of more than £20,000 per year to someone like Will Godfrey
I'm no statistician but doesn't your calculation only work on the assumption that EVERY household is paying full council tax relevant to it's band? In households reliant on benefits there won't be the same (if any) level of Council Tax paid. Surely this explain the disparity?
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Most of the council’s budget – around £250 million a year – is raised from Welsh Government grant cash, with council tax only making up around 12 per cent of the overall budget. Well that doesn't ring true. The council are saying that they get around £30,000,000 a year from council tax. Yet, if we divide that by 56,500 (the approx' number of households in Newport) we get an average figure of around £530/year/household - which is still significantly less than the very lowest band of council tax - band A which is around £704/year. The figures therefore are clearly false and would indicate that the income from council tax is considerably higher than the 12% shortfall in its budget from the WAG. I'm also interested to hear the exact details and significance of the following: - A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme. If this refers to paying the lowest paid workers a living wage, then fine. If it means however that the whole pay scale will change because of that, then that isn't fine. As some of you may be aware, pay scales in Newport council are calculated based on a multiplier of the lowest paid. The higher your scale, the higher your multiplier - so an increase of say £1/hr to a living wage at the bottom, means an increase of more than £20,000 per year to someone like Will Godfrey[/p][/quote]I'm no statistician but doesn't your calculation only work on the assumption that EVERY household is paying full council tax relevant to it's band? In households reliant on benefits there won't be the same (if any) level of Council Tax paid. Surely this explain the disparity? GogExile
  • Score: 4

6:20pm Wed 12 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Benefits households still pay council tax - it's just subsidised by Westminster.
Benefits households still pay council tax - it's just subsidised by Westminster. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 3

6:22pm Wed 12 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

By which I mean that central government pays the council the claimants council tax.
By which I mean that central government pays the council the claimants council tax. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 3

6:39pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

33daverave wrote:
Remember a third of your Council Tax doesn't go to services, it goes into Council workers pension funds. Nice.
A third.? Its nearer 50%
[quote][p][bold]33daverave[/bold] wrote: Remember a third of your Council Tax doesn't go to services, it goes into Council workers pension funds. Nice.[/p][/quote]A third.? Its nearer 50% Bobevans
  • Score: -3

7:00pm Wed 12 Mar 14

merlin the silure says...

hang on a mo -"new pay and grading scheme"-dont look after your own,try and give the pensioners and the others that really need help some of this "underspend"
hang on a mo -"new pay and grading scheme"-dont look after your own,try and give the pensioners and the others that really need help some of this "underspend" merlin the silure
  • Score: 2

7:44pm Wed 12 Mar 14

ex-St. Julians boy says...

"A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme and changes to help the authority save money." .... This is local authority speak for 'we're going to give ourselves a pay rise'.
"A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme and changes to help the authority save money." .... This is local authority speak for 'we're going to give ourselves a pay rise'. ex-St. Julians boy
  • Score: 5

8:34pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Jonnytrouble says...

Wish people would not say WAG,it is unfortunately called WG for Welsh Government !
But reading peoples comments, I would like to remind you all of there past pipe dreams...
eg
To make Wales Energy sufficient with Electricity as we have so much water and they said once that we could supply other parts of UK too...
Still waiting ?
The barrage across the River Severn,millions spent on just research !
A doomed project !
A road link from South to North ! still waiting ?
M4 relief road,will it ever happen ? 20 yrs so far and still waiting.
We hear Councils in a mess in Wales for lack of money and NHS another mess !
All that money from Westminster gone to so called ' poor ' country's, when charity should begin at home..
Can't wait to see India use our money and get a man on the moon !
and know wonder people are starting to look at UKIP to vote !
Wish people would not say WAG,it is unfortunately called WG for Welsh Government ! But reading peoples comments, I would like to remind you all of there past pipe dreams... eg To make Wales Energy sufficient with Electricity as we have so much water and they said once that we could supply other parts of UK too... Still waiting ? The barrage across the River Severn,millions spent on just research ! A doomed project ! A road link from South to North ! still waiting ? M4 relief road,will it ever happen ? 20 yrs so far and still waiting. We hear Councils in a mess in Wales for lack of money and NHS another mess ! All that money from Westminster gone to so called ' poor ' country's, when charity should begin at home.. Can't wait to see India use our money and get a man on the moon ! and know wonder people are starting to look at UKIP to vote ! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 5

9:15pm Wed 12 Mar 14

foxy3rd says...

Magor wrote:
Use it to clean up Newport,potential investors won't want to see graffiti and filth all over the place.
I agree beside the filth why don't they do something about this rise in people just dumping old furniture and the like on the pavement outside their houses it's often there for months.
Also my pet bugbears that unsafe roadcrossing across Granville St. by the old Chandlery and the sunken paving under Wharf Rd. bridge westside.
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: Use it to clean up Newport,potential investors won't want to see graffiti and filth all over the place.[/p][/quote]I agree beside the filth why don't they do something about this rise in people just dumping old furniture and the like on the pavement outside their houses it's often there for months. Also my pet bugbears that unsafe roadcrossing across Granville St. by the old Chandlery and the sunken paving under Wharf Rd. bridge westside. foxy3rd
  • Score: 5

10:18pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Woodgnome says...

Surely the point is that they should have spent the money on essential services overall or even overspent on essential services overall. If they had spent the money on public services they wouldn't have a little pot of cash to spend on pay and grading.
Surely the point is that they should have spent the money on essential services overall or even overspent on essential services overall. If they had spent the money on public services they wouldn't have a little pot of cash to spend on pay and grading. Woodgnome
  • Score: 3

7:54am Thu 13 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Surely the point is that they should have spent the money on essential services overall or even overspent on essential services overall. If they had spent the money on public services they wouldn't have a little pot of cash to spend on pay and grading.
Also, what used to happen, (I don't know whether it does with the Council)
If a department received money from government, it would have had to have spent all its allocation, otherwise, the following year's contribution would be reduced to the level of the underspend.
That's why the police service had to spend all excess monies left over within the financial year before the deadline, otherwise they would be penalised with a reduction in their overall budget.
That's why they used to throw overtime at staff near the end of the financial year.
Madness I know, but that's what used to go on.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Surely the point is that they should have spent the money on essential services overall or even overspent on essential services overall. If they had spent the money on public services they wouldn't have a little pot of cash to spend on pay and grading.[/p][/quote]Also, what used to happen, (I don't know whether it does with the Council) If a department received money from government, it would have had to have spent all its allocation, otherwise, the following year's contribution would be reduced to the level of the underspend. That's why the police service had to spend all excess monies left over within the financial year before the deadline, otherwise they would be penalised with a reduction in their overall budget. That's why they used to throw overtime at staff near the end of the financial year. Madness I know, but that's what used to go on. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 3

10:22am Thu 13 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Woodgnome wrote: Surely the point is that they should have spent the money on essential services overall or even overspent on essential services overall. If they had spent the money on public services they wouldn't have a little pot of cash to spend on pay and grading.
Also, what used to happen, (I don't know whether it does with the Council) If a department received money from government, it would have had to have spent all its allocation, otherwise, the following year's contribution would be reduced to the level of the underspend. That's why the police service had to spend all excess monies left over within the financial year before the deadline, otherwise they would be penalised with a reduction in their overall budget. That's why they used to throw overtime at staff near the end of the financial year. Madness I know, but that's what used to go on.
still true of most public bodies
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Surely the point is that they should have spent the money on essential services overall or even overspent on essential services overall. If they had spent the money on public services they wouldn't have a little pot of cash to spend on pay and grading.[/p][/quote]Also, what used to happen, (I don't know whether it does with the Council) If a department received money from government, it would have had to have spent all its allocation, otherwise, the following year's contribution would be reduced to the level of the underspend. That's why the police service had to spend all excess monies left over within the financial year before the deadline, otherwise they would be penalised with a reduction in their overall budget. That's why they used to throw overtime at staff near the end of the financial year. Madness I know, but that's what used to go on.[/p][/quote]still true of most public bodies whatintheworld
  • Score: 1

10:23am Thu 13 Mar 14

Severn40 says...

Sometimes wrote:
Just to chip in with the Council Tax maths, Not all of the 56,500 households pay council tax and if you live on your own, you get 25% discount.
yes, a single person household pays less but it is not a 25% discount. If you are a two person household and pay £1000 for example, each pays the equivalent of £500. A single person pays £750. So it is not a discount at all.
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Just to chip in with the Council Tax maths, Not all of the 56,500 households pay council tax and if you live on your own, you get 25% discount.[/p][/quote]yes, a single person household pays less but it is not a 25% discount. If you are a two person household and pay £1000 for example, each pays the equivalent of £500. A single person pays £750. So it is not a discount at all. Severn40
  • Score: 2

1:09pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Ty du Exile says...

foxy3rd wrote:
Magor wrote:
Use it to clean up Newport,potential investors won't want to see graffiti and filth all over the place.
I agree beside the filth why don't they do something about this rise in people just dumping old furniture and the like on the pavement outside their houses it's often there for months.
Also my pet bugbears that unsafe roadcrossing across Granville St. by the old Chandlery and the sunken paving under Wharf Rd. bridge westside.
Last year and this year I have raised the issue of litter in the banks around my street from a fast food restaurant and a supermarket and have been told that they can't clean it as the bank is too steep!! The banking isnt anything special in terms of steepness but they seem to be using it as an excuse so they don't have to get off their backsides to do some work. If this is indicative of the rest of Newport then I can see why they are saving this sort of money.
[quote][p][bold]foxy3rd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: Use it to clean up Newport,potential investors won't want to see graffiti and filth all over the place.[/p][/quote]I agree beside the filth why don't they do something about this rise in people just dumping old furniture and the like on the pavement outside their houses it's often there for months. Also my pet bugbears that unsafe roadcrossing across Granville St. by the old Chandlery and the sunken paving under Wharf Rd. bridge westside.[/p][/quote]Last year and this year I have raised the issue of litter in the banks around my street from a fast food restaurant and a supermarket and have been told that they can't clean it as the bank is too steep!! The banking isnt anything special in terms of steepness but they seem to be using it as an excuse so they don't have to get off their backsides to do some work. If this is indicative of the rest of Newport then I can see why they are saving this sort of money. Ty du Exile
  • Score: 1

4:27pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Newportg says...

pwharley wrote:
Why is Newport Transport not paying a dividend?
Their fares in Newport are higher than Stagecoach!
Totally off topic. However, when did you last catch a bus?

I caught a Stagecoach from Newport to Cwmbran today. It cost me £5.80 for a return ticket. The driver said it would cost almost £8 for a day ticket. A day ticket on Newport transport to Cwmbran, Cardiff or Chepstow is £3.50.

(Only caught the Stagecoach because my elderly Mum & Dad wanted to get there quickly).
[quote][p][bold]pwharley[/bold] wrote: Why is Newport Transport not paying a dividend? Their fares in Newport are higher than Stagecoach![/p][/quote]Totally off topic. However, when did you last catch a bus? I caught a Stagecoach from Newport to Cwmbran today. It cost me £5.80 for a return ticket. The driver said it would cost almost £8 for a day ticket. A day ticket on Newport transport to Cwmbran, Cardiff or Chepstow is £3.50. (Only caught the Stagecoach because my elderly Mum & Dad wanted to get there quickly). Newportg
  • Score: 3

3:33pm Fri 14 Mar 14

snafu1 says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
Most of the council’s budget – around £250 million a year – is raised from Welsh Government grant cash, with council tax only making up around 12 per cent of the overall budget.

Well that doesn't ring true. The council are saying that they get around £30,000,000 a year from council tax. Yet, if we divide that by 56,500 (the approx' number of households in Newport) we get an average figure of around £530/year/household - which is still significantly less than the very lowest band of council tax - band A which is around £704/year.

The figures therefore are clearly false and would indicate that the income from council tax is considerably higher than the 12% shortfall in its budget from the WAG.

I'm also interested to hear the exact details and significance of the following: -

A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme.

If this refers to paying the lowest paid workers a living wage, then fine. If it means however that the whole pay scale will change because of that, then that isn't fine. As some of you may be aware, pay scales in Newport council are calculated based on a multiplier of the lowest paid. The higher your scale, the higher your multiplier - so an increase of say £1/hr to a living wage at the bottom, means an increase of more than £20,000 per year to someone like Will Godfrey
Why don't you query this anomaly with the Council Tax directly with them?
It would be very interesting for all of us to know how they come up with this paltry figure when we are paying much higher rates than this, according to your calculations.
B****y shambles as usual.
Here's another interesting little calculation for you.

Multiply the £175 difference between the average rate and the lowest band by the number of households, and it amounts to a little shy of a staggering £9.9 million a year.

Seeing as most households pay more than Band A tax, and with another increase in the pipeline, you're looking at potentially tens of millions of pounds a year that's being raised through council tax that goes........ where exactly?
Here is one use of our money paying the legal bill of the taxi drivers who took the council on and won £348,000
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Most of the council’s budget – around £250 million a year – is raised from Welsh Government grant cash, with council tax only making up around 12 per cent of the overall budget. Well that doesn't ring true. The council are saying that they get around £30,000,000 a year from council tax. Yet, if we divide that by 56,500 (the approx' number of households in Newport) we get an average figure of around £530/year/household - which is still significantly less than the very lowest band of council tax - band A which is around £704/year. The figures therefore are clearly false and would indicate that the income from council tax is considerably higher than the 12% shortfall in its budget from the WAG. I'm also interested to hear the exact details and significance of the following: - A report to the authority’s cabinet says the council will need to use the spare cash to fund a new pay and grading scheme. If this refers to paying the lowest paid workers a living wage, then fine. If it means however that the whole pay scale will change because of that, then that isn't fine. As some of you may be aware, pay scales in Newport council are calculated based on a multiplier of the lowest paid. The higher your scale, the higher your multiplier - so an increase of say £1/hr to a living wage at the bottom, means an increase of more than £20,000 per year to someone like Will Godfrey[/p][/quote]Why don't you query this anomaly with the Council Tax directly with them? It would be very interesting for all of us to know how they come up with this paltry figure when we are paying much higher rates than this, according to your calculations. B****y shambles as usual.[/p][/quote]Here's another interesting little calculation for you. Multiply the £175 difference between the average rate and the lowest band by the number of households, and it amounts to a little shy of a staggering £9.9 million a year. Seeing as most households pay more than Band A tax, and with another increase in the pipeline, you're looking at potentially tens of millions of pounds a year that's being raised through council tax that goes........ where exactly?[/p][/quote]Here is one use of our money paying the legal bill of the taxi drivers who took the council on and won £348,000 snafu1
  • Score: 0

7:47pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

according to Wikipedia....
The Welsh Government and the National Assembly for Wales were established as separate institutions under the Government of Wales Act 2006. The Government is referred to in that Act as the Welsh Assembly Government, but to prevent confusion about the respective roles and responsibilities of the National Assembly and the Government, the devolved administration became known as the Welsh Government in May 2011...so there you go!.

...and you still get people referring to Newport Gwent.......when this no longer exists except for Newport Gwent Dragons.....
according to Wikipedia.... The Welsh Government and the National Assembly for Wales were established as separate institutions under the Government of Wales Act 2006. The Government is referred to in that Act as the Welsh Assembly Government, but to prevent confusion about the respective roles and responsibilities of the National Assembly and the Government, the devolved administration became known as the Welsh Government in May 2011...so there you go!. ...and you still get people referring to Newport Gwent.......when this no longer exists except for Newport Gwent Dragons..... Dave on his Soapbox
  • Score: 0

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