Alternative Newport gypsy sites put forward

South Wales Argus: ALTERNATIVE SITES: David Hando ALTERNATIVE SITES: David Hando

A GROUP backed by a former Newport council cabinet member and councillor says there are alternatives to the city's controversial proposed Gipsy sites.

David Hando, who lost his Beechwood seat in the 2012 council elections, had been one of the members of the former Tory and Lib Dem administration involved in the drawing up of a controversial list of Gipsy sites that was dropped by Labour.

Mr Hando is a trustee of the Newport Traveller Sites Study Group, which has supported calls for proposed sites at Ringland Allotments and land at Hartridge Farm Road to be deleted from the local development plan.

Instead the group proposes a number of alternatives - including that the traveller family living at a site in Goldcliff should be allowed to stay there.

A submission to the planning inspector, written by Mr Hando on behalf of the group, says: “It appears that no thought was given to allowing travellers to stay where they have become established.”

It proposes that the larger family at Tatton Road should be relocated to the former Speedway site.

“Being at the end of a cul-de-sac it would disturb no one and is favoured by the police,” wrote Mr Hando. “It is also strongly favoured by the travellers who don’t want to be right alongside residents and schools.”

It adds that if no way can be found for the family at the Transporter Bridge site to remain undisturbed, they should be relocated to Tatton Road.

“If the proposed sites do not find favour there are alternatives each side of the river, or as suggested above, the sites where they are presented settled should be considered for development.”

Newport should speak to neighbouring authorities to discuss a joint transit site along the M4 corridor, the group adds.

Mr Hando was involved in the selection of five possible sites – which included Yew Tree Cottage, Bettws – when he was cabinet member for social services and housing.

Those sites were dropped by the succeeding Labour administration.

Former Lib Dem councillor Mr Hando, who himself lives in Hartridge, wrote the sites had been selected with no political considerations and were the most suitable or least unsuitable sites.

He raised concerns that the proposals for a residential site at Hartridge Farm Road would have an effect on the willingness of parents to send their children to Llanwern High School and Ysgol Gymraeg Casnewydd

Mr Hando wrote the potentially valuable Pwll Pen site would also become unattractive to developers and purchasers.

The planning inspector is to hold a hearing into the local development plan's allocation for gipsies and travellers on April 8 at 10am.

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9:31am Tue 1 Apr 14

Woodgnome says...

Is it any wonder that the voter turn out at local elections is so low?? Each Councillor currently in office represents a tiny proportion of the available electorate in their Ward - and yet they make life changing decisions that affects us all.
Is it any wonder that the voter turn out at local elections is so low?? Each Councillor currently in office represents a tiny proportion of the available electorate in their Ward - and yet they make life changing decisions that affects us all. Woodgnome
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3:01pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Newportg says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Is it any wonder that the voter turn out at local elections is so low?? Each Councillor currently in office represents a tiny proportion of the available electorate in their Ward - and yet they make life changing decisions that affects us all.
"Life changing decisions" are made by a majority, not a single Councillor.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Is it any wonder that the voter turn out at local elections is so low?? Each Councillor currently in office represents a tiny proportion of the available electorate in their Ward - and yet they make life changing decisions that affects us all.[/p][/quote]"Life changing decisions" are made by a majority, not a single Councillor. Newportg
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3:58pm Tue 1 Apr 14

welshmen says...

Detached traveller sites for the single family, nice life, wonder if any of us gorgers have that right, or are we being discriminated against, seems we are only required to foot the bill for these strangers who decide to come here for free schooling free NHS dentists etc and a chance for some of them to rob the hand that pays their way.

Ask the people of Newport to vote weather they wont them here at the next Election, that's what's called DEMOCRACY you know something we used to decide big issues like this with.

The travellers seem to have enough money to build caravan sites with no planning permission with in four days during Bank Holidays, so let them build their own funded sites well away from any business or residential housing, if that's not what they want, then buy a house or rent like the rest of us suckers, either way make them pay council tax and PAYA as part of their legal package to settle here, THE SAME AS THE REST OF US.

Can some one tell me what good they do for Newport City Tax Payers, the only ones I have had the unfortunate experience to see how they live are filthy, leave every thing that's not worth money including human excrement both babies and adults, building waste, tree and hedge chippings etc, ready for the same council to remove it for FREE, no I don't want them anywhere near Newport until they reverse their bad bad ways....
Detached traveller sites for the single family, nice life, wonder if any of us gorgers have that right, or are we being discriminated against, seems we are only required to foot the bill for these strangers who decide to come here for free schooling free NHS dentists etc and a chance for some of them to rob the hand that pays their way. Ask the people of Newport to vote weather they wont them here at the next Election, that's what's called DEMOCRACY you know something we used to decide big issues like this with. The travellers seem to have enough money to build caravan sites with no planning permission with in four days during Bank Holidays, so let them build their own funded sites well away from any business or residential housing, if that's not what they want, then buy a house or rent like the rest of us suckers, either way make them pay council tax and PAYA as part of their legal package to settle here, THE SAME AS THE REST OF US. Can some one tell me what good they do for Newport City Tax Payers, the only ones I have had the unfortunate experience to see how they live are filthy, leave every thing that's not worth money including human excrement both babies and adults, building waste, tree and hedge chippings etc, ready for the same council to remove it for FREE, no I don't want them anywhere near Newport until they reverse their bad bad ways.... welshmen
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4:50pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Woodgnome says...

Newportg wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Is it any wonder that the voter turn out at local elections is so low?? Each Councillor currently in office represents a tiny proportion of the available electorate in their Ward - and yet they make life changing decisions that affects us all.
"Life changing decisions" are made by a majority, not a single Councillor.
You seem to miss my point. To use your phrase a "majority" of Councillors that do not represent the majority of the residents in the Ward as so few turn out to vote. 70 or 80% of the Ward did not elect them because they did not vote.
[quote][p][bold]Newportg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Is it any wonder that the voter turn out at local elections is so low?? Each Councillor currently in office represents a tiny proportion of the available electorate in their Ward - and yet they make life changing decisions that affects us all.[/p][/quote]"Life changing decisions" are made by a majority, not a single Councillor.[/p][/quote]You seem to miss my point. To use your phrase a "majority" of Councillors that do not represent the majority of the residents in the Ward as so few turn out to vote. 70 or 80% of the Ward did not elect them because they did not vote. Woodgnome
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5:21pm Tue 1 Apr 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

The thing is that the gov is trying to make all local authorites provide peremant sites. Which although is going to cost the tax payer to fund the development I think that they are looking on the long term that if they have a site to always be able to go to the they will not trespass, which I can't see working anyway as the different travelling comunities do not and will not mix anyway. But I think it's only the irish travellers that do park up anywhere they like. I'm also pretty sure it's EU law although I might be wrong. Can't be bothered at the moment to look it up (has been one of those days today). So I can see the point in having these sites if it is going to reduce the cost in evections and clean up. But they shouldn't be sited in some green/brown site somewhere out of town, not so much out of site out of mind, because no doubt the police will have to patrol these areas to keep an eye on them, but put simply they are not wanted in anyones back yard not just my own.
The thing is that the gov is trying to make all local authorites provide peremant sites. Which although is going to cost the tax payer to fund the development I think that they are looking on the long term that if they have a site to always be able to go to the they will not trespass, which I can't see working anyway as the different travelling comunities do not and will not mix anyway. But I think it's only the irish travellers that do park up anywhere they like. I'm also pretty sure it's EU law although I might be wrong. Can't be bothered at the moment to look it up (has been one of those days today). So I can see the point in having these sites if it is going to reduce the cost in evections and clean up. But they shouldn't be sited in some green/brown site somewhere out of town, not so much out of site out of mind, because no doubt the police will have to patrol these areas to keep an eye on them, but put simply they are not wanted in anyones back yard not just my own. grumpyandopinionated
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6:19pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Lazysaint says...

People ,
The way forward just as a suggeston is to NOT LET THE PIKIES DO ANY WORK FOR YOU , if they cut your trees or hedges they will fly tip it , if they remove your rubbish on the cheap they will fly tip it , if they do your drive way they will fly tip the spoil AND do a crap job . So if the work dries up they will move on to somewhere , where there is work and aslong as it's not in Newport all the better ! If they have to stay here for any amount of time then charge them ground rent where ever they stop if they don't like it they can move on . And as for the EU rules they will not be made homeless becauuse they have wheels on their houses ! Just saying like .
People , The way forward just as a suggeston is to NOT LET THE PIKIES DO ANY WORK FOR YOU , if they cut your trees or hedges they will fly tip it , if they remove your rubbish on the cheap they will fly tip it , if they do your drive way they will fly tip the spoil AND do a crap job . So if the work dries up they will move on to somewhere , where there is work and aslong as it's not in Newport all the better ! If they have to stay here for any amount of time then charge them ground rent where ever they stop if they don't like it they can move on . And as for the EU rules they will not be made homeless becauuse they have wheels on their houses ! Just saying like . Lazysaint
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6:29pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Lazysaint says...

welshmen wrote:
Detached traveller sites for the single family, nice life, wonder if any of us gorgers have that right, or are we being discriminated against, seems we are only required to foot the bill for these strangers who decide to come here for free schooling free NHS dentists etc and a chance for some of them to rob the hand that pays their way. Ask the people of Newport to vote weather they wont them here at the next Election, that's what's called DEMOCRACY you know something we used to decide big issues like this with. The travellers seem to have enough money to build caravan sites with no planning permission with in four days during Bank Holidays, so let them build their own funded sites well away from any business or residential housing, if that's not what they want, then buy a house or rent like the rest of us suckers, either way make them pay council tax and PAYA as part of their legal package to settle here, THE SAME AS THE REST OF US. Can some one tell me what good they do for Newport City Tax Payers, the only ones I have had the unfortunate experience to see how they live are filthy, leave every thing that's not worth money including human excrement both babies and adults, building waste, tree and hedge chippings etc, ready for the same council to remove it for FREE, no I don't want them anywhere near Newport until they reverse their bad bad ways....
Welshman
Totaly Agree with all of the above apart from the council do not remove it for FREE as WE ALL PAY FOR IT , If poeple stop giving them the work in the area they might , just might do one in any direction down the M4 or up the A449 that's ok to ! Then the money spent on these travellers ( who may I say don't do that much traveling by the by ) can be better spent on more rewarding projects in the communities of Newport . Just saying Like !
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Detached traveller sites for the single family, nice life, wonder if any of us gorgers have that right, or are we being discriminated against, seems we are only required to foot the bill for these strangers who decide to come here for free schooling free NHS dentists etc and a chance for some of them to rob the hand that pays their way. Ask the people of Newport to vote weather they wont them here at the next Election, that's what's called DEMOCRACY you know something we used to decide big issues like this with. The travellers seem to have enough money to build caravan sites with no planning permission with in four days during Bank Holidays, so let them build their own funded sites well away from any business or residential housing, if that's not what they want, then buy a house or rent like the rest of us suckers, either way make them pay council tax and PAYA as part of their legal package to settle here, THE SAME AS THE REST OF US. Can some one tell me what good they do for Newport City Tax Payers, the only ones I have had the unfortunate experience to see how they live are filthy, leave every thing that's not worth money including human excrement both babies and adults, building waste, tree and hedge chippings etc, ready for the same council to remove it for FREE, no I don't want them anywhere near Newport until they reverse their bad bad ways....[/p][/quote]Welshman Totaly Agree with all of the above apart from the council do not remove it for FREE as WE ALL PAY FOR IT , If poeple stop giving them the work in the area they might , just might do one in any direction down the M4 or up the A449 that's ok to ! Then the money spent on these travellers ( who may I say don't do that much traveling by the by ) can be better spent on more rewarding projects in the communities of Newport . Just saying Like ! Lazysaint
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6:44pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

welshmen wrote:
Detached traveller sites for the single family, nice life, wonder if any of us gorgers have that right, or are we being discriminated against, seems we are only required to foot the bill for these strangers who decide to come here for free schooling free NHS dentists etc and a chance for some of them to rob the hand that pays their way.

Ask the people of Newport to vote weather they wont them here at the next Election, that's what's called DEMOCRACY you know something we used to decide big issues like this with.

The travellers seem to have enough money to build caravan sites with no planning permission with in four days during Bank Holidays, so let them build their own funded sites well away from any business or residential housing, if that's not what they want, then buy a house or rent like the rest of us suckers, either way make them pay council tax and PAYA as part of their legal package to settle here, THE SAME AS THE REST OF US.

Can some one tell me what good they do for Newport City Tax Payers, the only ones I have had the unfortunate experience to see how they live are filthy, leave every thing that's not worth money including human excrement both babies and adults, building waste, tree and hedge chippings etc, ready for the same council to remove it for FREE, no I don't want them anywhere near Newport until they reverse their bad bad ways....
'Ask the people of Newport to vote weather they wont them here at the next Election, that's what's called DEMOCRACY you know something we used to decide big issues like this with.'

There would be an overwhelming 'no'. A bit like if they asked us nationally if we were ok with housing terrorists we can't deport at taxpayers expense. This 'democracy' we tell the likes of Afghanistan that they should have doesn't always work here. The supposed 'home' of it.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Detached traveller sites for the single family, nice life, wonder if any of us gorgers have that right, or are we being discriminated against, seems we are only required to foot the bill for these strangers who decide to come here for free schooling free NHS dentists etc and a chance for some of them to rob the hand that pays their way. Ask the people of Newport to vote weather they wont them here at the next Election, that's what's called DEMOCRACY you know something we used to decide big issues like this with. The travellers seem to have enough money to build caravan sites with no planning permission with in four days during Bank Holidays, so let them build their own funded sites well away from any business or residential housing, if that's not what they want, then buy a house or rent like the rest of us suckers, either way make them pay council tax and PAYA as part of their legal package to settle here, THE SAME AS THE REST OF US. Can some one tell me what good they do for Newport City Tax Payers, the only ones I have had the unfortunate experience to see how they live are filthy, leave every thing that's not worth money including human excrement both babies and adults, building waste, tree and hedge chippings etc, ready for the same council to remove it for FREE, no I don't want them anywhere near Newport until they reverse their bad bad ways....[/p][/quote]'Ask the people of Newport to vote weather they wont them here at the next Election, that's what's called DEMOCRACY you know something we used to decide big issues like this with.' There would be an overwhelming 'no'. A bit like if they asked us nationally if we were ok with housing terrorists we can't deport at taxpayers expense. This 'democracy' we tell the likes of Afghanistan that they should have doesn't always work here. The supposed 'home' of it. Llanmartinangel
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7:35pm Tue 1 Apr 14

welshmen says...

The European Union have re-leaved this Country of any Democracy, they decide our way of life, we have to accept what ever they throw at the people of this Country, we can't say NO without massive £££fines, I voted for the Common Market as it was then, now with the Blair touch they have totally changed this Country and in my opinion for worse, why should we have millions of Foreigners come here from third world Countries changing the outlook of the British People,we are basicly a white Christian Country, try doing the same to Pakistan, India, Bangladesh Africa it wouldn't be allowed and rightly so, to many to quick came here, If the Benefits they get were stopped, so would they, stop coming here and go to the next highest benefit payers apart for some because of already settled families here, anyway this will start the name callers off and i am off topic....The quicker we leave the EU the Better for all of us....
The European Union have re-leaved this Country of any Democracy, they decide our way of life, we have to accept what ever they throw at the people of this Country, we can't say NO without massive £££fines, I voted for the Common Market as it was then, now with the Blair touch they have totally changed this Country and in my opinion for worse, why should we have millions of Foreigners come here from third world Countries changing the outlook of the British People,we are basicly a white Christian Country, try doing the same to Pakistan, India, Bangladesh Africa it wouldn't be allowed and rightly so, to many to quick came here, If the Benefits they get were stopped, so would they, stop coming here and go to the next highest benefit payers apart for some because of already settled families here, anyway this will start the name callers off and i am off topic....The quicker we leave the EU the Better for all of us.... welshmen
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10:36pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Sheep'n'wellies says...

welshmen wrote:
The European Union have re-leaved this Country of any Democracy, they decide our way of life, we have to accept what ever they throw at the people of this Country, we can't say NO without massive £££fines, I voted for the Common Market as it was then, now with the Blair touch they have totally changed this Country and in my opinion for worse, why should we have millions of Foreigners come here from third world Countries changing the outlook of the British People,we are basicly a white Christian Country, try doing the same to Pakistan, India, Bangladesh Africa it wouldn't be allowed and rightly so, to many to quick came here, If the Benefits they get were stopped, so would they, stop coming here and go to the next highest benefit payers apart for some because of already settled families here, anyway this will start the name callers off and i am off topic....The quicker we leave the EU the Better for all of us....
Very well said that man. If only the government had some b#*#s eh
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The European Union have re-leaved this Country of any Democracy, they decide our way of life, we have to accept what ever they throw at the people of this Country, we can't say NO without massive £££fines, I voted for the Common Market as it was then, now with the Blair touch they have totally changed this Country and in my opinion for worse, why should we have millions of Foreigners come here from third world Countries changing the outlook of the British People,we are basicly a white Christian Country, try doing the same to Pakistan, India, Bangladesh Africa it wouldn't be allowed and rightly so, to many to quick came here, If the Benefits they get were stopped, so would they, stop coming here and go to the next highest benefit payers apart for some because of already settled families here, anyway this will start the name callers off and i am off topic....The quicker we leave the EU the Better for all of us....[/p][/quote]Very well said that man. If only the government had some b#*#s eh Sheep'n'wellies
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12:11am Wed 2 Apr 14

bugsy93 says...

Have any of the Newport Councillors got the guts to speak out in support of the residents in these areas? Does any decent law abiding family want another Rover Way type of encampment of uncivilised, lawless, filth making parasites on their doorstep? If they are so-called 'travellers' then why do they want a permanent site to generate their mess?
Have any of the Newport Councillors got the guts to speak out in support of the residents in these areas? Does any decent law abiding family want another Rover Way type of encampment of uncivilised, lawless, filth making parasites on their doorstep? If they are so-called 'travellers' then why do they want a permanent site to generate their mess? bugsy93
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7:51am Wed 2 Apr 14

bluebanana says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Newportg wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Is it any wonder that the voter turn out at local elections is so low?? Each Councillor currently in office represents a tiny proportion of the available electorate in their Ward - and yet they make life changing decisions that affects us all.
"Life changing decisions" are made by a majority, not a single Councillor.
You seem to miss my point. To use your phrase a "majority" of Councillors that do not represent the majority of the residents in the Ward as so few turn out to vote. 70 or 80% of the Ward did not elect them because they did not vote.
But they had the chance to vote (assuming they're registered) so that is democratic. If people are that bothered about things then they'll vote next time (or not bother again and moan about stuff afterwards).

But anyway, even if you do vote and your preferred candidate wins, theres still no guarantee that they'll represent your views to the council. Most of the time a councillor decides on what they will be for/against based on their own preference or decision, which they assume to be the same as the people they serve. You try getting a councillor/Mp to fight your corner on something they disagree with......forget it!

As for the travellers, they've been taking the p1ss for far too long in the UK. Time to get tough, if they dont like it they are literally free to travel somewhere else.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newportg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Is it any wonder that the voter turn out at local elections is so low?? Each Councillor currently in office represents a tiny proportion of the available electorate in their Ward - and yet they make life changing decisions that affects us all.[/p][/quote]"Life changing decisions" are made by a majority, not a single Councillor.[/p][/quote]You seem to miss my point. To use your phrase a "majority" of Councillors that do not represent the majority of the residents in the Ward as so few turn out to vote. 70 or 80% of the Ward did not elect them because they did not vote.[/p][/quote]But they had the chance to vote (assuming they're registered) so that is democratic. If people are that bothered about things then they'll vote next time (or not bother again and moan about stuff afterwards). But anyway, even if you do vote and your preferred candidate wins, theres still no guarantee that they'll represent your views to the council. Most of the time a councillor decides on what they will be for/against based on their own preference or decision, which they assume to be the same as the people they serve. You try getting a councillor/Mp to fight your corner on something they disagree with......forget it! As for the travellers, they've been taking the p1ss for far too long in the UK. Time to get tough, if they dont like it they are literally free to travel somewhere else. bluebanana
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7:57am Wed 2 Apr 14

Woodgnome says...

bluebanana wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Newportg wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Is it any wonder that the voter turn out at local elections is so low?? Each Councillor currently in office represents a tiny proportion of the available electorate in their Ward - and yet they make life changing decisions that affects us all.
"Life changing decisions" are made by a majority, not a single Councillor.
You seem to miss my point. To use your phrase a "majority" of Councillors that do not represent the majority of the residents in the Ward as so few turn out to vote. 70 or 80% of the Ward did not elect them because they did not vote.
But they had the chance to vote (assuming they're registered) so that is democratic. If people are that bothered about things then they'll vote next time (or not bother again and moan about stuff afterwards).

But anyway, even if you do vote and your preferred candidate wins, theres still no guarantee that they'll represent your views to the council. Most of the time a councillor decides on what they will be for/against based on their own preference or decision, which they assume to be the same as the people they serve. You try getting a councillor/Mp to fight your corner on something they disagree with......forget it!

As for the travellers, they've been taking the p1ss for far too long in the UK. Time to get tough, if they dont like it they are literally free to travel somewhere else.
Yes, residents have a chance to vote and don't - EXACTLY my point. If everyone voted maybe we wouldn't get the decisions that we do foisted upon us by Councillors who only get tiny votes - yet make decisions that affect us all. In other words we get what we don't vote for!!
In some countries voting is compulsory and an offence is committed if you don't vote.
[quote][p][bold]bluebanana[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newportg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Is it any wonder that the voter turn out at local elections is so low?? Each Councillor currently in office represents a tiny proportion of the available electorate in their Ward - and yet they make life changing decisions that affects us all.[/p][/quote]"Life changing decisions" are made by a majority, not a single Councillor.[/p][/quote]You seem to miss my point. To use your phrase a "majority" of Councillors that do not represent the majority of the residents in the Ward as so few turn out to vote. 70 or 80% of the Ward did not elect them because they did not vote.[/p][/quote]But they had the chance to vote (assuming they're registered) so that is democratic. If people are that bothered about things then they'll vote next time (or not bother again and moan about stuff afterwards). But anyway, even if you do vote and your preferred candidate wins, theres still no guarantee that they'll represent your views to the council. Most of the time a councillor decides on what they will be for/against based on their own preference or decision, which they assume to be the same as the people they serve. You try getting a councillor/Mp to fight your corner on something they disagree with......forget it! As for the travellers, they've been taking the p1ss for far too long in the UK. Time to get tough, if they dont like it they are literally free to travel somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Yes, residents have a chance to vote and don't - EXACTLY my point. If everyone voted maybe we wouldn't get the decisions that we do foisted upon us by Councillors who only get tiny votes - yet make decisions that affect us all. In other words we get what we don't vote for!! In some countries voting is compulsory and an offence is committed if you don't vote. Woodgnome
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9:31am Wed 2 Apr 14

blackandamber says...

Heres an alternative site Cardiff Bay .You want them YOU have them.
Heres an alternative site Cardiff Bay .You want them YOU have them. blackandamber
  • Score: 2

2:28pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Newportg says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Newportg wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Is it any wonder that the voter turn out at local elections is so low?? Each Councillor currently in office represents a tiny proportion of the available electorate in their Ward - and yet they make life changing decisions that affects us all.
"Life changing decisions" are made by a majority, not a single Councillor.
You seem to miss my point. To use your phrase a "majority" of Councillors that do not represent the majority of the residents in the Ward as so few turn out to vote. 70 or 80% of the Ward did not elect them because they did not vote.
Well, that's their choice. However, every one over 18 years of age in each ward had the right to vote. One of the great problems in this country is that too many people don't exercise that right.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newportg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Is it any wonder that the voter turn out at local elections is so low?? Each Councillor currently in office represents a tiny proportion of the available electorate in their Ward - and yet they make life changing decisions that affects us all.[/p][/quote]"Life changing decisions" are made by a majority, not a single Councillor.[/p][/quote]You seem to miss my point. To use your phrase a "majority" of Councillors that do not represent the majority of the residents in the Ward as so few turn out to vote. 70 or 80% of the Ward did not elect them because they did not vote.[/p][/quote]Well, that's their choice. However, every one over 18 years of age in each ward had the right to vote. One of the great problems in this country is that too many people don't exercise that right. Newportg
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