Council cuts could be 'disastrous' - Newport leader

CUTS WARNING: Newport council leader Cllr Bob Bright

CUTS WARNING: Newport council leader Cllr Bob Bright

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COUNCIL leaders are set for a collision course with the Welsh Government, with Newport leader Bob Bright warning proposed cuts could be "disastrous".

The Welsh Government has indicated that councils across the country could be facing budget cuts as deep as 4.5 per cent next year, more than twice as much as previously envisaged.

Top Torfaen Council officers warned that if this becomes a reality the authority could have to make more than £6 million in savings from April – some £2.7 million more than expected – and that jobs could be hit.

Local authorities had been expecting a 1.5 per cent cut in Welsh Government funding for 2015/16, but the Welsh Government has indicated councils should now plan for cuts of up to 4.5 per cent.

Yesterday Newport council leader Bob Bright told the council’s cabinet meeting that the proposed 4.5 per cent reduction was a “disastrous forecast”, and said financial plans had been “thrown to the wind” by the changing position.

“We were told we were having a reduction of 1.5 per cent but it could be twice that,” he said.

“Even a layperson could realise that is a difficult situation to manage.”

Meanwhile Torfaen’s cabinet is to meet today to discuss the proposed cuts, with a report saying that predictions from the Welsh Government can’t be relied on for the 2015/16 financial year, which starts in April.

The report from Torfaen's Nigel Aurelius, assistant chief executive, and David Lilly, head of financial services, says the local government minister Lesley Griffiths advised all councils that they should plan for a so-called “range of challenging settlements beyond 2015/16”.

The officers describe the “stark choices this will mean for this and all councils in terms of services”, warning it may affect employment levels.

Last month Monmouthshire council leader Peter Fox said it is clear “things are going to get a whole lot worse.”

He had said: “What is really, really worrying for leaders is that we can expect absolutely massive cuts above what we’ve been expecting.”

The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away.

It is not clear what each authority will receive yet from officials in Cardiff Bay but the rates may well vary between them.

A Welsh Government spokesman said: “The WLGA[Welsh Local Government Association] acknowledges local government in Wales has been protected from the worst of the public spending cuts, which is in contrast to the deep cuts faced in England for the past four years.

“No one should doubt the high value Welsh Ministers place on public services and in the current financial climate, effective forward planning will be crucial in ensuring citizens can continue to receive these services.

“The information sent to local authority leaders will allow them time to engage with local people before making what we appreciate are likely to be difficult decisions.”

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7:38am Tue 8 Jul 14

cath 872 says...

And yet the WAG spent 72 million pounds on an airport that nobody uses. They are a waste of space and offer us little benefit. Of course, they will look after number one, themselves, but the rest of us - forget it.
And yet the WAG spent 72 million pounds on an airport that nobody uses. They are a waste of space and offer us little benefit. Of course, they will look after number one, themselves, but the rest of us - forget it. cath 872
  • Score: 27

7:43am Tue 8 Jul 14

paddyparry says...

Has anyone noticed that all bad news is blamed on the UK government? We never see the WAG accept responsibility for anything. If you listen to the WAG everything in Wales is rosy. The health, social and education services are roaring successes. The WAG are leading us to a brighter, more successful future. The reason we don't see this in our daily lives is because we do not see the "big picture".
Has anyone noticed that all bad news is blamed on the UK government? We never see the WAG accept responsibility for anything. If you listen to the WAG everything in Wales is rosy. The health, social and education services are roaring successes. The WAG are leading us to a brighter, more successful future. The reason we don't see this in our daily lives is because we do not see the "big picture". paddyparry
  • Score: 26

7:45am Tue 8 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

you have to love these left wing newspapers
" The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away"
Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.
you have to love these left wing newspapers " The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away" Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year. scraptheWAG
  • Score: 29

8:11am Tue 8 Jul 14

Magor says...

Scrap WAG that will save millions,we managed for years without it.
Scrap WAG that will save millions,we managed for years without it. Magor
  • Score: 28

8:27am Tue 8 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

The devolution of Wales is proving time and again what many ( not me, i didn't have the foresight ) have been saying since it was decided to go for the Welsh Assembly. It is an indulgent level of Government that is costing the taxpayer millions of pounds per year to operate whilst having no real powers. Scotland is finding out just how expensive independence may cost.
People moaned about The Welsh Office but i think it's a case of be careful what you wish for after the last 15 years of WAG.
Massive vote of no confidence for the WAG. We should go back to being a valuable part of the UK being run by the UK Government with our own identity.
WAG has taken us to the poor house door and Carwyn is about to lead us through it.
The devolution of Wales is proving time and again what many ( not me, i didn't have the foresight ) have been saying since it was decided to go for the Welsh Assembly. It is an indulgent level of Government that is costing the taxpayer millions of pounds per year to operate whilst having no real powers. Scotland is finding out just how expensive independence may cost. People moaned about The Welsh Office but i think it's a case of be careful what you wish for after the last 15 years of WAG. Massive vote of no confidence for the WAG. We should go back to being a valuable part of the UK being run by the UK Government with our own identity. WAG has taken us to the poor house door and Carwyn is about to lead us through it. landyman3030
  • Score: 33

10:47am Tue 8 Jul 14

Aquarius says...

The Welsh Government have also made something of a climbdown regarding cuts to the Free Concessionary Travel budget, which has led to cuts in bus services all over Wales. The only reason they have done so was to avert a damaging High Court case which they would have lost.

I have a feeling this nasty cynical little lot are going to find it much tougher to get back into power next time round. And it makes you wonder what a UK Government led by Labour would behave like.

Speaking as a former Labour supporter, it's time for a change and for this bunch to be kicked out.
The Welsh Government have also made something of a climbdown regarding cuts to the Free Concessionary Travel budget, which has led to cuts in bus services all over Wales. The only reason they have done so was to avert a damaging High Court case which they would have lost. I have a feeling this nasty cynical little lot are going to find it much tougher to get back into power next time round. And it makes you wonder what a UK Government led by Labour would behave like. Speaking as a former Labour supporter, it's time for a change and for this bunch to be kicked out. Aquarius
  • Score: 21

12:19pm Tue 8 Jul 14

throwy1 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
you have to love these left wing newspapers
" The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away"
Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.
Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: you have to love these left wing newspapers " The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away" Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.[/p][/quote]Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent throwy1
  • Score: -30

12:38pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

The not so bright Bob Bright is ranting again. Newport council has shown little interest in cutting its costs preferring to cut services instead

We need far fewer councils in Wales and far fewer local councillors and most services need to be run on a regional basis so we should have a SE Wales Regional council. They can run housing, Education, Social Services , Refuse collection , Contact Centre etc. Do we really need every little local council managing refuse collection?
The not so bright Bob Bright is ranting again. Newport council has shown little interest in cutting its costs preferring to cut services instead We need far fewer councils in Wales and far fewer local councillors and most services need to be run on a regional basis so we should have a SE Wales Regional council. They can run housing, Education, Social Services , Refuse collection , Contact Centre etc. Do we really need every little local council managing refuse collection? Bobevans
  • Score: 10

12:40pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

throwy1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
you have to love these left wing newspapers
" The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away"
Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.
Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent
Really? Even though only 3% are fluent enough in it to use a dumb cash machine? The subsidy to the National Eistedffodd in Abergavenny is nearly £700k because there aren't enough speakers to make it commercially viable.
[quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: you have to love these left wing newspapers " The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away" Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.[/p][/quote]Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent[/p][/quote]Really? Even though only 3% are fluent enough in it to use a dumb cash machine? The subsidy to the National Eistedffodd in Abergavenny is nearly £700k because there aren't enough speakers to make it commercially viable. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 14

12:41pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

throwy1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
you have to love these left wing newspapers
" The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away"
Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.
Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent
You might claim that but 90% see it as waste. As far as the Welsh language is concerned it should only be taught as an optional second language. There should be no legal requirement to use Welsh. If an organisation wishes to use Welsh then they can but at their cost
[quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: you have to love these left wing newspapers " The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away" Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.[/p][/quote]Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent[/p][/quote]You might claim that but 90% see it as waste. As far as the Welsh language is concerned it should only be taught as an optional second language. There should be no legal requirement to use Welsh. If an organisation wishes to use Welsh then they can but at their cost Bobevans
  • Score: 15

12:41pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

throwy1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
you have to love these left wing newspapers
" The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away"
Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.
Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent
You might claim that but 90% see it as waste. As far as the Welsh language is concerned it should only be taught as an optional second language. There should be no legal requirement to use Welsh. If an organisation wishes to use Welsh then they can but at their cost
[quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: you have to love these left wing newspapers " The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away" Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.[/p][/quote]Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent[/p][/quote]You might claim that but 90% see it as waste. As far as the Welsh language is concerned it should only be taught as an optional second language. There should be no legal requirement to use Welsh. If an organisation wishes to use Welsh then they can but at their cost Bobevans
  • Score: 5

1:12pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Sometimes says...

2.5 Welsh politicians to every 1 English.
An extra £1.6M to be spent on the Welsh Language.
All replacement road signs to be in Welsh and English.
22 Councils, when it only needs 10.

For all those who voted for the WAG, you've got what you wanted, Wales bankrupt!
2.5 Welsh politicians to every 1 English. An extra £1.6M to be spent on the Welsh Language. All replacement road signs to be in Welsh and English. 22 Councils, when it only needs 10. For all those who voted for the WAG, you've got what you wanted, Wales bankrupt! Sometimes
  • Score: 21

1:31pm Tue 8 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

Bobevans wrote:
throwy1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
you have to love these left wing newspapers
" The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away"
Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.
Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent
You might claim that but 90% see it as waste. As far as the Welsh language is concerned it should only be taught as an optional second language. There should be no legal requirement to use Welsh. If an organisation wishes to use Welsh then they can but at their cost
If you're going to quote statistics could you please submit a link to the survey that was conducted, preferably by a respectable institution?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: you have to love these left wing newspapers " The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away" Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.[/p][/quote]Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent[/p][/quote]You might claim that but 90% see it as waste. As far as the Welsh language is concerned it should only be taught as an optional second language. There should be no legal requirement to use Welsh. If an organisation wishes to use Welsh then they can but at their cost[/p][/quote]If you're going to quote statistics could you please submit a link to the survey that was conducted, preferably by a respectable institution? mills191184
  • Score: -5

1:40pm Tue 8 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

mills191184 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
throwy1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
you have to love these left wing newspapers
" The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away"
Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.
Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent
You might claim that but 90% see it as waste. As far as the Welsh language is concerned it should only be taught as an optional second language. There should be no legal requirement to use Welsh. If an organisation wishes to use Welsh then they can but at their cost
If you're going to quote statistics could you please submit a link to the survey that was conducted, preferably by a respectable institution?
I've done a quick google search and came up with shows 72% of those surveyed are in favour of the language (http://www.bbc.co.u
k/news/uk-wales-1698
5298)

I'll find some more later
[quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: you have to love these left wing newspapers " The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away" Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.[/p][/quote]Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent[/p][/quote]You might claim that but 90% see it as waste. As far as the Welsh language is concerned it should only be taught as an optional second language. There should be no legal requirement to use Welsh. If an organisation wishes to use Welsh then they can but at their cost[/p][/quote]If you're going to quote statistics could you please submit a link to the survey that was conducted, preferably by a respectable institution?[/p][/quote]I've done a quick google search and came up with shows 72% of those surveyed are in favour of the language (http://www.bbc.co.u k/news/uk-wales-1698 5298) I'll find some more later mills191184
  • Score: -17

5:59pm Tue 8 Jul 14

not sure says...

newport city council has just transfered the property services dept, to norse a off shoot company of nps group,parent company nolfolk county council.in a 10 year £7.3 million per year agreement.a city council department run by an english county council...
newport city council has just transfered the property services dept, to norse a off shoot company of nps group,parent company nolfolk county council.in a 10 year £7.3 million per year agreement.a city council department run by an english county council... not sure
  • Score: 10

6:05pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Nig says...

paddyparry wrote:
Has anyone noticed that all bad news is blamed on the UK government? We never see the WAG accept responsibility for anything. If you listen to the WAG everything in Wales is rosy. The health, social and education services are roaring successes. The WAG are leading us to a brighter, more successful future. The reason we don't see this in our daily lives is because we do not see the "big picture".
Uk government cut the spending
[quote][p][bold]paddyparry[/bold] wrote: Has anyone noticed that all bad news is blamed on the UK government? We never see the WAG accept responsibility for anything. If you listen to the WAG everything in Wales is rosy. The health, social and education services are roaring successes. The WAG are leading us to a brighter, more successful future. The reason we don't see this in our daily lives is because we do not see the "big picture".[/p][/quote]Uk government cut the spending Nig
  • Score: -8

7:18pm Tue 8 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

mills191184 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
throwy1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
you have to love these left wing newspapers
" The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away"
Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.
Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent
You might claim that but 90% see it as waste. As far as the Welsh language is concerned it should only be taught as an optional second language. There should be no legal requirement to use Welsh. If an organisation wishes to use Welsh then they can but at their cost
If you're going to quote statistics could you please submit a link to the survey that was conducted, preferably by a respectable institution?
Really do like the people on this site. I ask for figures to back up someone's claim and I get voted down.

well seeming that I don't have to back up anything I say:

The dna of those that can only speak English is 62% elephant.

Don't ask me to back this up as apparent I don't need to.

Nos da bawb..wel ddim yn eto ond yn fuan.
[quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: you have to love these left wing newspapers " The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away" Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.[/p][/quote]Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent[/p][/quote]You might claim that but 90% see it as waste. As far as the Welsh language is concerned it should only be taught as an optional second language. There should be no legal requirement to use Welsh. If an organisation wishes to use Welsh then they can but at their cost[/p][/quote]If you're going to quote statistics could you please submit a link to the survey that was conducted, preferably by a respectable institution?[/p][/quote]Really do like the people on this site. I ask for figures to back up someone's claim and I get voted down. well seeming that I don't have to back up anything I say: The dna of those that can only speak English is 62% elephant. Don't ask me to back this up as apparent I don't need to. Nos da bawb..wel ddim yn eto ond yn fuan. mills191184
  • Score: -11

7:21pm Tue 8 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

Nig wrote:
paddyparry wrote:
Has anyone noticed that all bad news is blamed on the UK government? We never see the WAG accept responsibility for anything. If you listen to the WAG everything in Wales is rosy. The health, social and education services are roaring successes. The WAG are leading us to a brighter, more successful future. The reason we don't see this in our daily lives is because we do not see the "big picture".
Uk government cut the spending
also the uk goverment gave the wag extra money to freeze council tax they kept it and also put council tax up
[quote][p][bold]Nig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paddyparry[/bold] wrote: Has anyone noticed that all bad news is blamed on the UK government? We never see the WAG accept responsibility for anything. If you listen to the WAG everything in Wales is rosy. The health, social and education services are roaring successes. The WAG are leading us to a brighter, more successful future. The reason we don't see this in our daily lives is because we do not see the "big picture".[/p][/quote]Uk government cut the spending[/p][/quote]also the uk goverment gave the wag extra money to freeze council tax they kept it and also put council tax up scraptheWAG
  • Score: 9

7:52pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Magor says...

£4.50 in £100 not a large sum to save, if it were your own money to spend on your shopping you would easily manage to save it.Problem is its too easy to spend other peoples money.
£4.50 in £100 not a large sum to save, if it were your own money to spend on your shopping you would easily manage to save it.Problem is its too easy to spend other peoples money. Magor
  • Score: 8

8:01pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

The group of people aged three and over who could speak, read and write Welsh decreased one percentage point from 16 per cent (458,000) in 2001 to 15 per cent (431,000) in 2011.

Source ONS website

....so much money spent for very little gain....or loss
The group of people aged three and over who could speak, read and write Welsh decreased one percentage point from 16 per cent (458,000) in 2001 to 15 per cent (431,000) in 2011. Source ONS website ....so much money spent for very little gain....or loss Dave on his Soapbox
  • Score: 10

8:26pm Tue 8 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

Dave on his Soapbox wrote:
The group of people aged three and over who could speak, read and write Welsh decreased one percentage point from 16 per cent (458,000) in 2001 to 15 per cent (431,000) in 2011.

Source ONS website

....so much money spent for very little gain....or loss
Wrong.

2001 - 582,000 in 2011 562,000 (link:http://wales.g
ov.uk/docs/statistic
s/2012/121211sb11820
12en.pdf) its on page 3
[quote][p][bold]Dave on his Soapbox[/bold] wrote: The group of people aged three and over who could speak, read and write Welsh decreased one percentage point from 16 per cent (458,000) in 2001 to 15 per cent (431,000) in 2011. Source ONS website ....so much money spent for very little gain....or loss[/p][/quote]Wrong. 2001 - 582,000 in 2011 562,000 (link:http://wales.g ov.uk/docs/statistic s/2012/121211sb11820 12en.pdf) its on page 3 mills191184
  • Score: -7

8:57pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire......

http://www.ons.gov.u
k/ons/rel/census/201
1-census/key-statist
ics-for-unitary-auth
orities-in-wales/stb
-2011-census-key-sta
tistics-for-wales.ht
ml

....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker...

The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English.

The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is
Salve, amice......
Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire...... http://www.ons.gov.u k/ons/rel/census/201 1-census/key-statist ics-for-unitary-auth orities-in-wales/stb -2011-census-key-sta tistics-for-wales.ht ml ....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker... The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English. The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is Salve, amice...... Dave on his Soapbox
  • Score: 9

9:49pm Tue 8 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Nig wrote:
paddyparry wrote:
Has anyone noticed that all bad news is blamed on the UK government? We never see the WAG accept responsibility for anything. If you listen to the WAG everything in Wales is rosy. The health, social and education services are roaring successes. The WAG are leading us to a brighter, more successful future. The reason we don't see this in our daily lives is because we do not see the "big picture".
Uk government cut the spending
UK Government have cut the funding. The pot has decreased dramatically. The problem is the WAG is passing these cuts on to the Councils causing dramatic effects across Wales whilst maintaining free prescriptions, spending £70 million pounds on the airport, promising tens of millions to the racetrack, hundreds of thousands to the Eisteddfod in Abergavenny, an additional £1.6 million funding for the Welsh Language black hole and an additional £20 million quod for supposed under performing schools who are only under performing on paper because of a banding system that can penalise a high performing school because of poor attendance. Has anybody got any figures on how much The Senydd costs to operate each year?
The problem is not just how much less Wales is getting from London, it's more about where the money is going and how it is being spent.
When is the WAG going to learn from the UK governments mistakes. They bought a bank which is still not profitable 5 years after the recession kicked in.
[quote][p][bold]Nig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paddyparry[/bold] wrote: Has anyone noticed that all bad news is blamed on the UK government? We never see the WAG accept responsibility for anything. If you listen to the WAG everything in Wales is rosy. The health, social and education services are roaring successes. The WAG are leading us to a brighter, more successful future. The reason we don't see this in our daily lives is because we do not see the "big picture".[/p][/quote]Uk government cut the spending[/p][/quote]UK Government have cut the funding. The pot has decreased dramatically. The problem is the WAG is passing these cuts on to the Councils causing dramatic effects across Wales whilst maintaining free prescriptions, spending £70 million pounds on the airport, promising tens of millions to the racetrack, hundreds of thousands to the Eisteddfod in Abergavenny, an additional £1.6 million funding for the Welsh Language black hole and an additional £20 million quod for supposed under performing schools who are only under performing on paper because of a banding system that can penalise a high performing school because of poor attendance. Has anybody got any figures on how much The Senydd costs to operate each year? The problem is not just how much less Wales is getting from London, it's more about where the money is going and how it is being spent. When is the WAG going to learn from the UK governments mistakes. They bought a bank which is still not profitable 5 years after the recession kicked in. landyman3030
  • Score: 5

10:24pm Tue 8 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Dave on his Soapbox wrote:
Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire......

http://www.ons.gov.u

k/ons/rel/census/201

1-census/key-statist

ics-for-unitary-auth

orities-in-wales/stb

-2011-census-key-sta

tistics-for-wales.ht

ml

....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker...

The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English.

The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is
Salve, amice......
Statistics can be skewed by either side of an argument depending how they are used. The Welsh language stats are even worse because of the fluency over skills issue that has been used by the pro Welsh to sand bag people in to thinking the brainwashing is working in our schools.
The facts that cannot be denied is the performance levels of S4C with viewing figures. The minute proportion of people who want to access council services in Welsh compared to the majority who just want Council services. If it meant the swimming pools staying open and the parks getting repaired I would communicate in any language that meant that. The people of Wales are having to do without a lot of things at the moment. Tighten your belt, suck it up and do without.
It's about time somebody let Merys and her little soldiers know that applies to them as well.
[quote][p][bold]Dave on his Soapbox[/bold] wrote: Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire...... http://www.ons.gov.u k/ons/rel/census/201 1-census/key-statist ics-for-unitary-auth orities-in-wales/stb -2011-census-key-sta tistics-for-wales.ht ml ....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker... The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English. The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is Salve, amice......[/p][/quote]Statistics can be skewed by either side of an argument depending how they are used. The Welsh language stats are even worse because of the fluency over skills issue that has been used by the pro Welsh to sand bag people in to thinking the brainwashing is working in our schools. The facts that cannot be denied is the performance levels of S4C with viewing figures. The minute proportion of people who want to access council services in Welsh compared to the majority who just want Council services. If it meant the swimming pools staying open and the parks getting repaired I would communicate in any language that meant that. The people of Wales are having to do without a lot of things at the moment. Tighten your belt, suck it up and do without. It's about time somebody let Merys and her little soldiers know that applies to them as well. landyman3030
  • Score: 5

10:55am Wed 9 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

Dave on his Soapbox wrote:
Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire......

http://www.ons.gov.u

k/ons/rel/census/201

1-census/key-statist

ics-for-unitary-auth

orities-in-wales/stb

-2011-census-key-sta

tistics-for-wales.ht

ml

....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker...

The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English.

The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is
Salve, amice......
There are different levels to those who speak Welsh, and every language for that matter.

If your wife is learning Welsh then good on her but you havent said if she's learning or for how long.

All I'm saying to people on this site is if you're going to throw around figures then you should be prepared to back them up...too many people on here repeating what they have been told even though its wrong.

There are some good shows on S4C:

Munud i fynd (sports game show)
Y Syrcas
Hacio
Cwy (Childrens tv show)

Too name a few.

The problem S4C has got is that theres only 1 channel and they have to keep the older audience while still trying to get the younger generation, and, in my opinion, its not going to happen. A second tv channel is needed aimed at the younger generation.
[quote][p][bold]Dave on his Soapbox[/bold] wrote: Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire...... http://www.ons.gov.u k/ons/rel/census/201 1-census/key-statist ics-for-unitary-auth orities-in-wales/stb -2011-census-key-sta tistics-for-wales.ht ml ....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker... The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English. The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is Salve, amice......[/p][/quote]There are different levels to those who speak Welsh, and every language for that matter. If your wife is learning Welsh then good on her but you havent said if she's learning or for how long. All I'm saying to people on this site is if you're going to throw around figures then you should be prepared to back them up...too many people on here repeating what they have been told even though its wrong. There are some good shows on S4C: Munud i fynd (sports game show) Y Syrcas Hacio Cwy (Childrens tv show) Too name a few. The problem S4C has got is that theres only 1 channel and they have to keep the older audience while still trying to get the younger generation, and, in my opinion, its not going to happen. A second tv channel is needed aimed at the younger generation. mills191184
  • Score: -9

1:11pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Japan1 says...

mills191184 wrote:
mills191184 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
throwy1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
you have to love these left wing newspapers
" The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away"
Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.
Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent
You might claim that but 90% see it as waste. As far as the Welsh language is concerned it should only be taught as an optional second language. There should be no legal requirement to use Welsh. If an organisation wishes to use Welsh then they can but at their cost
If you're going to quote statistics could you please submit a link to the survey that was conducted, preferably by a respectable institution?
Really do like the people on this site. I ask for figures to back up someone's claim and I get voted down.

well seeming that I don't have to back up anything I say:

The dna of those that can only speak English is 62% elephant.

Don't ask me to back this up as apparent I don't need to.

Nos da bawb..wel ddim yn eto ond yn fuan.
The same article that says

"Half a century on, Radio Cymru has surveyed 510 Welsh speakers, and 510 non-Welsh speakers.

While almost three in every five of all those asked think the status of the language needs further improvement, the percentage is a little lower for non-Welsh speakers at 56%."

So the survey was split 50/50 between Welsh and non-Welsh speakers and the result comes out with in favour of more Welsh, well there's a surprise, not exactly a realistic sample of the Welsh population is it. Now perhaps they should survey 20% Welsh speakers and 80% non-Welsh speakers and then look at the results, and that's probably being generous to the Welsh speakers.

There are undoubtedly those who are sympathetic to the Welsh language without being able to speak it, but that is being rapidly eroded by the WAG's actions in attempting to force it down our throats and land us with the costs involved.

When are councillors, AMs, MEPs, MPs, government execs local or otherwise going to raise their snouts out of the trough and actually do what they're meant to do, serve the people.
[quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: you have to love these left wing newspapers " The Welsh Government is having to making cuts in the money it provides to public services because the money it receives from the UK Government is being trimmed away" Does not mention millions wasted on welsh language , huge feather bedding down the WAG they took on a extra 400 people the other month, flying AM's to work at the cost of one million per year, subsidising a airport again at the cost of millions per year.[/p][/quote]Millions are not wasted on the Welsh Language. every penny spent on the Welsh Language is money well spent[/p][/quote]You might claim that but 90% see it as waste. As far as the Welsh language is concerned it should only be taught as an optional second language. There should be no legal requirement to use Welsh. If an organisation wishes to use Welsh then they can but at their cost[/p][/quote]If you're going to quote statistics could you please submit a link to the survey that was conducted, preferably by a respectable institution?[/p][/quote]Really do like the people on this site. I ask for figures to back up someone's claim and I get voted down. well seeming that I don't have to back up anything I say: The dna of those that can only speak English is 62% elephant. Don't ask me to back this up as apparent I don't need to. Nos da bawb..wel ddim yn eto ond yn fuan.[/p][/quote]The same article that says "Half a century on, Radio Cymru has surveyed 510 Welsh speakers, and 510 non-Welsh speakers. While almost three in every five of all those asked think the status of the language needs further improvement, the percentage is a little lower for non-Welsh speakers at 56%." So the survey was split 50/50 between Welsh and non-Welsh speakers and the result comes out with in favour of more Welsh, well there's a surprise, not exactly a realistic sample of the Welsh population is it. Now perhaps they should survey 20% Welsh speakers and 80% non-Welsh speakers and then look at the results, and that's probably being generous to the Welsh speakers. There are undoubtedly those who are sympathetic to the Welsh language without being able to speak it, but that is being rapidly eroded by the WAG's actions in attempting to force it down our throats and land us with the costs involved. When are councillors, AMs, MEPs, MPs, government execs local or otherwise going to raise their snouts out of the trough and actually do what they're meant to do, serve the people. Japan1
  • Score: 5

1:14pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Japan1 says...

mills191184 wrote:
Dave on his Soapbox wrote:
Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire......

http://www.ons.gov.u


k/ons/rel/census/201


1-census/key-statist


ics-for-unitary-auth


orities-in-wales/stb


-2011-census-key-sta


tistics-for-wales.ht


ml

....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker...

The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English.

The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is
Salve, amice......
There are different levels to those who speak Welsh, and every language for that matter.

If your wife is learning Welsh then good on her but you havent said if she's learning or for how long.

All I'm saying to people on this site is if you're going to throw around figures then you should be prepared to back them up...too many people on here repeating what they have been told even though its wrong.

There are some good shows on S4C:

Munud i fynd (sports game show)
Y Syrcas
Hacio
Cwy (Childrens tv show)

Too name a few.

The problem S4C has got is that theres only 1 channel and they have to keep the older audience while still trying to get the younger generation, and, in my opinion, its not going to happen. A second tv channel is needed aimed at the younger generation.
And the money for this comes from where?

Nobody will support this as a commercial venture so once again it will be heavily subsidised by the entire population of Wales, and probably England too.
[quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave on his Soapbox[/bold] wrote: Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire...... http://www.ons.gov.u k/ons/rel/census/201 1-census/key-statist ics-for-unitary-auth orities-in-wales/stb -2011-census-key-sta tistics-for-wales.ht ml ....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker... The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English. The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is Salve, amice......[/p][/quote]There are different levels to those who speak Welsh, and every language for that matter. If your wife is learning Welsh then good on her but you havent said if she's learning or for how long. All I'm saying to people on this site is if you're going to throw around figures then you should be prepared to back them up...too many people on here repeating what they have been told even though its wrong. There are some good shows on S4C: Munud i fynd (sports game show) Y Syrcas Hacio Cwy (Childrens tv show) Too name a few. The problem S4C has got is that theres only 1 channel and they have to keep the older audience while still trying to get the younger generation, and, in my opinion, its not going to happen. A second tv channel is needed aimed at the younger generation.[/p][/quote]And the money for this comes from where? Nobody will support this as a commercial venture so once again it will be heavily subsidised by the entire population of Wales, and probably England too. Japan1
  • Score: 6

9:25pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

.....as the posts have shifted to a debate on the value of the Welsh language.....how many people turned up in Newport last week to the meeting held by Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg?

Was enough to fill a phone box?
.....as the posts have shifted to a debate on the value of the Welsh language.....how many people turned up in Newport last week to the meeting held by Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg? Was enough to fill a phone box? Dave on his Soapbox
  • Score: 5

2:16am Thu 10 Jul 14

Stan Edwards says...

C'mon Bob. You've made things worse by borrowing £90m on an unassessed project which will be unused and we will have to foot the bill for. You've got some gall but thats all we expect of Trumpton decisions in Newport.
Every Pharaoh has to have his pyramid and all the rest are in de Nile!
This will be like the follies of old -something to visit and stare at.
C'mon Bob. You've made things worse by borrowing £90m on an unassessed project which will be unused and we will have to foot the bill for. You've got some gall but thats all we expect of Trumpton decisions in Newport. Every Pharaoh has to have his pyramid and all the rest are in de Nile! This will be like the follies of old -something to visit and stare at. Stan Edwards
  • Score: -2

9:45am Thu 10 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Dave on his Soapbox wrote:
Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire......

http://www.ons.gov.u


k/ons/rel/census/201


1-census/key-statist


ics-for-unitary-auth


orities-in-wales/stb


-2011-census-key-sta


tistics-for-wales.ht


ml

....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker...

The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English.

The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is
Salve, amice......
Statistics can be skewed by either side of an argument depending how they are used. The Welsh language stats are even worse because of the fluency over skills issue that has been used by the pro Welsh to sand bag people in to thinking the brainwashing is working in our schools.
The facts that cannot be denied is the performance levels of S4C with viewing figures. The minute proportion of people who want to access council services in Welsh compared to the majority who just want Council services. If it meant the swimming pools staying open and the parks getting repaired I would communicate in any language that meant that. The people of Wales are having to do without a lot of things at the moment. Tighten your belt, suck it up and do without.
It's about time somebody let Merys and her little soldiers know that applies to them as well.
I agree with you in regards to the Welsh council services, where the minority language is Welsh only, I would prefer they roll out Welsh medium education first then in 10-15 years time roll out council services in Welsh. Rolling out Welsh Medium education across the board would cost little to no monies as there as Welsh speaking teachers in English medium schools, granted training would be needed for some, for some reason they have gone with the option that cost the most monies.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave on his Soapbox[/bold] wrote: Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire...... http://www.ons.gov.u k/ons/rel/census/201 1-census/key-statist ics-for-unitary-auth orities-in-wales/stb -2011-census-key-sta tistics-for-wales.ht ml ....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker... The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English. The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is Salve, amice......[/p][/quote]Statistics can be skewed by either side of an argument depending how they are used. The Welsh language stats are even worse because of the fluency over skills issue that has been used by the pro Welsh to sand bag people in to thinking the brainwashing is working in our schools. The facts that cannot be denied is the performance levels of S4C with viewing figures. The minute proportion of people who want to access council services in Welsh compared to the majority who just want Council services. If it meant the swimming pools staying open and the parks getting repaired I would communicate in any language that meant that. The people of Wales are having to do without a lot of things at the moment. Tighten your belt, suck it up and do without. It's about time somebody let Merys and her little soldiers know that applies to them as well.[/p][/quote]I agree with you in regards to the Welsh council services, where the minority language is Welsh only, I would prefer they roll out Welsh medium education first then in 10-15 years time roll out council services in Welsh. Rolling out Welsh Medium education across the board would cost little to no monies as there as Welsh speaking teachers in English medium schools, granted training would be needed for some, for some reason they have gone with the option that cost the most monies. mills191184
  • Score: -4

10:00am Thu 10 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

Japan1 wrote:
mills191184 wrote:
Dave on his Soapbox wrote:
Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire......

http://www.ons.gov.u



k/ons/rel/census/201



1-census/key-statist



ics-for-unitary-auth



orities-in-wales/stb



-2011-census-key-sta



tistics-for-wales.ht



ml

....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker...

The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English.

The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is
Salve, amice......
There are different levels to those who speak Welsh, and every language for that matter.

If your wife is learning Welsh then good on her but you havent said if she's learning or for how long.

All I'm saying to people on this site is if you're going to throw around figures then you should be prepared to back them up...too many people on here repeating what they have been told even though its wrong.

There are some good shows on S4C:

Munud i fynd (sports game show)
Y Syrcas
Hacio
Cwy (Childrens tv show)

Too name a few.

The problem S4C has got is that theres only 1 channel and they have to keep the older audience while still trying to get the younger generation, and, in my opinion, its not going to happen. A second tv channel is needed aimed at the younger generation.
And the money for this comes from where?

Nobody will support this as a commercial venture so once again it will be heavily subsidised by the entire population of Wales, and probably England too.
I would be in favour of a subscription based service or even if it was user created content channel.

It should resemble something like BBC three, which starts at 7pm onwards.

Lets not talk about funding TV channels as the BBC charges a tv license fee and then the uk government gives them grants as well...and with the recent court case and convictions of paedophiles you worked/working at the bbc. I'm not happy having to fund that criminal organisation. Total income of the BBC £5,102 million and yet Wales has only 1 radio station and 1 tv channel to cover the entire of Wales...that just threw us a bone to keep us happy, maybe you should complain to the BBC is get more services in Wales.
[quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave on his Soapbox[/bold] wrote: Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire...... http://www.ons.gov.u k/ons/rel/census/201 1-census/key-statist ics-for-unitary-auth orities-in-wales/stb -2011-census-key-sta tistics-for-wales.ht ml ....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker... The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English. The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is Salve, amice......[/p][/quote]There are different levels to those who speak Welsh, and every language for that matter. If your wife is learning Welsh then good on her but you havent said if she's learning or for how long. All I'm saying to people on this site is if you're going to throw around figures then you should be prepared to back them up...too many people on here repeating what they have been told even though its wrong. There are some good shows on S4C: Munud i fynd (sports game show) Y Syrcas Hacio Cwy (Childrens tv show) Too name a few. The problem S4C has got is that theres only 1 channel and they have to keep the older audience while still trying to get the younger generation, and, in my opinion, its not going to happen. A second tv channel is needed aimed at the younger generation.[/p][/quote]And the money for this comes from where? Nobody will support this as a commercial venture so once again it will be heavily subsidised by the entire population of Wales, and probably England too.[/p][/quote]I would be in favour of a subscription based service or even if it was user created content channel. It should resemble something like BBC three, which starts at 7pm onwards. Lets not talk about funding TV channels as the BBC charges a tv license fee and then the uk government gives them grants as well...and with the recent court case and convictions of paedophiles you worked/working at the bbc. I'm not happy having to fund that criminal organisation. Total income of the BBC £5,102 million and yet Wales has only 1 radio station and 1 tv channel to cover the entire of Wales...that just threw us a bone to keep us happy, maybe you should complain to the BBC is get more services in Wales. mills191184
  • Score: -5

11:50am Thu 10 Jul 14

Japan1 says...

mills191184 wrote:
Japan1 wrote:
mills191184 wrote:
Dave on his Soapbox wrote:
Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire......

http://www.ons.gov.u




k/ons/rel/census/201




1-census/key-statist




ics-for-unitary-auth




orities-in-wales/stb




-2011-census-key-sta




tistics-for-wales.ht




ml

....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker...

The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English.

The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is
Salve, amice......
There are different levels to those who speak Welsh, and every language for that matter.

If your wife is learning Welsh then good on her but you havent said if she's learning or for how long.

All I'm saying to people on this site is if you're going to throw around figures then you should be prepared to back them up...too many people on here repeating what they have been told even though its wrong.

There are some good shows on S4C:

Munud i fynd (sports game show)
Y Syrcas
Hacio
Cwy (Childrens tv show)

Too name a few.

The problem S4C has got is that theres only 1 channel and they have to keep the older audience while still trying to get the younger generation, and, in my opinion, its not going to happen. A second tv channel is needed aimed at the younger generation.
And the money for this comes from where?

Nobody will support this as a commercial venture so once again it will be heavily subsidised by the entire population of Wales, and probably England too.
I would be in favour of a subscription based service or even if it was user created content channel.

It should resemble something like BBC three, which starts at 7pm onwards.

Lets not talk about funding TV channels as the BBC charges a tv license fee and then the uk government gives them grants as well...and with the recent court case and convictions of paedophiles you worked/working at the bbc. I'm not happy having to fund that criminal organisation. Total income of the BBC £5,102 million and yet Wales has only 1 radio station and 1 tv channel to cover the entire of Wales...that just threw us a bone to keep us happy, maybe you should complain to the BBC is get more services in Wales.
Don't think I will, I'm quite happy with the services provided by the BBC, but then again I'd be quite happy to do away the licence fee and let the BBC fend for itself.
[quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave on his Soapbox[/bold] wrote: Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire...... http://www.ons.gov.u k/ons/rel/census/201 1-census/key-statist ics-for-unitary-auth orities-in-wales/stb -2011-census-key-sta tistics-for-wales.ht ml ....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker... The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English. The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is Salve, amice......[/p][/quote]There are different levels to those who speak Welsh, and every language for that matter. If your wife is learning Welsh then good on her but you havent said if she's learning or for how long. All I'm saying to people on this site is if you're going to throw around figures then you should be prepared to back them up...too many people on here repeating what they have been told even though its wrong. There are some good shows on S4C: Munud i fynd (sports game show) Y Syrcas Hacio Cwy (Childrens tv show) Too name a few. The problem S4C has got is that theres only 1 channel and they have to keep the older audience while still trying to get the younger generation, and, in my opinion, its not going to happen. A second tv channel is needed aimed at the younger generation.[/p][/quote]And the money for this comes from where? Nobody will support this as a commercial venture so once again it will be heavily subsidised by the entire population of Wales, and probably England too.[/p][/quote]I would be in favour of a subscription based service or even if it was user created content channel. It should resemble something like BBC three, which starts at 7pm onwards. Lets not talk about funding TV channels as the BBC charges a tv license fee and then the uk government gives them grants as well...and with the recent court case and convictions of paedophiles you worked/working at the bbc. I'm not happy having to fund that criminal organisation. Total income of the BBC £5,102 million and yet Wales has only 1 radio station and 1 tv channel to cover the entire of Wales...that just threw us a bone to keep us happy, maybe you should complain to the BBC is get more services in Wales.[/p][/quote]Don't think I will, I'm quite happy with the services provided by the BBC, but then again I'd be quite happy to do away the licence fee and let the BBC fend for itself. Japan1
  • Score: 3

1:12pm Thu 10 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

Japan1 wrote:
mills191184 wrote:
Japan1 wrote:
mills191184 wrote:
Dave on his Soapbox wrote:
Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire......

http://www.ons.gov.u





k/ons/rel/census/201





1-census/key-statist





ics-for-unitary-auth





orities-in-wales/stb





-2011-census-key-sta





tistics-for-wales.ht





ml

....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker...

The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English.

The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is
Salve, amice......
There are different levels to those who speak Welsh, and every language for that matter.

If your wife is learning Welsh then good on her but you havent said if she's learning or for how long.

All I'm saying to people on this site is if you're going to throw around figures then you should be prepared to back them up...too many people on here repeating what they have been told even though its wrong.

There are some good shows on S4C:

Munud i fynd (sports game show)
Y Syrcas
Hacio
Cwy (Childrens tv show)

Too name a few.

The problem S4C has got is that theres only 1 channel and they have to keep the older audience while still trying to get the younger generation, and, in my opinion, its not going to happen. A second tv channel is needed aimed at the younger generation.
And the money for this comes from where?

Nobody will support this as a commercial venture so once again it will be heavily subsidised by the entire population of Wales, and probably England too.
I would be in favour of a subscription based service or even if it was user created content channel.

It should resemble something like BBC three, which starts at 7pm onwards.

Lets not talk about funding TV channels as the BBC charges a tv license fee and then the uk government gives them grants as well...and with the recent court case and convictions of paedophiles you worked/working at the bbc. I'm not happy having to fund that criminal organisation. Total income of the BBC £5,102 million and yet Wales has only 1 radio station and 1 tv channel to cover the entire of Wales...that just threw us a bone to keep us happy, maybe you should complain to the BBC is get more services in Wales.
Don't think I will, I'm quite happy with the services provided by the BBC, but then again I'd be quite happy to do away the licence fee and let the BBC fend for itself.
At least we can agree on the license fee being abolished; gives the BBC an unfair advantage against other channels that have to raise funds through advertising.

And with the likes of Jimmie Savile and Rolf Harris a lot of people don't want to fund an organisation that cover up sexual abuse, especially against children; but still pay their license fee due to fear of prosecution.
[quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave on his Soapbox[/bold] wrote: Right depending on what stat you want to believe....and depending on the slant of the question on the questionnaire...... http://www.ons.gov.u k/ons/rel/census/201 1-census/key-statist ics-for-unitary-auth orities-in-wales/stb -2011-census-key-sta tistics-for-wales.ht ml ....my wife answered yes....to speaking Welsh....but couldn't hold a conversation with a fluent speaker... The best thing S4C did on the rugby coverage was to add the Red Button for English. The only piece of Latin I can remember from my school days is Salve, amice......[/p][/quote]There are different levels to those who speak Welsh, and every language for that matter. If your wife is learning Welsh then good on her but you havent said if she's learning or for how long. All I'm saying to people on this site is if you're going to throw around figures then you should be prepared to back them up...too many people on here repeating what they have been told even though its wrong. There are some good shows on S4C: Munud i fynd (sports game show) Y Syrcas Hacio Cwy (Childrens tv show) Too name a few. The problem S4C has got is that theres only 1 channel and they have to keep the older audience while still trying to get the younger generation, and, in my opinion, its not going to happen. A second tv channel is needed aimed at the younger generation.[/p][/quote]And the money for this comes from where? Nobody will support this as a commercial venture so once again it will be heavily subsidised by the entire population of Wales, and probably England too.[/p][/quote]I would be in favour of a subscription based service or even if it was user created content channel. It should resemble something like BBC three, which starts at 7pm onwards. Lets not talk about funding TV channels as the BBC charges a tv license fee and then the uk government gives them grants as well...and with the recent court case and convictions of paedophiles you worked/working at the bbc. I'm not happy having to fund that criminal organisation. Total income of the BBC £5,102 million and yet Wales has only 1 radio station and 1 tv channel to cover the entire of Wales...that just threw us a bone to keep us happy, maybe you should complain to the BBC is get more services in Wales.[/p][/quote]Don't think I will, I'm quite happy with the services provided by the BBC, but then again I'd be quite happy to do away the licence fee and let the BBC fend for itself.[/p][/quote]At least we can agree on the license fee being abolished; gives the BBC an unfair advantage against other channels that have to raise funds through advertising. And with the likes of Jimmie Savile and Rolf Harris a lot of people don't want to fund an organisation that cover up sexual abuse, especially against children; but still pay their license fee due to fear of prosecution. mills191184
  • Score: 1

6:42pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Nig wrote:
paddyparry wrote:
Has anyone noticed that all bad news is blamed on the UK government? We never see the WAG accept responsibility for anything. If you listen to the WAG everything in Wales is rosy. The health, social and education services are roaring successes. The WAG are leading us to a brighter, more successful future. The reason we don't see this in our daily lives is because we do not see the "big picture".
Uk government cut the spending
UK Government have cut the funding. The pot has decreased dramatically. The problem is the WAG is passing these cuts on to the Councils causing dramatic effects across Wales whilst maintaining free prescriptions, spending £70 million pounds on the airport, promising tens of millions to the racetrack, hundreds of thousands to the Eisteddfod in Abergavenny, an additional £1.6 million funding for the Welsh Language black hole and an additional £20 million quod for supposed under performing schools who are only under performing on paper because of a banding system that can penalise a high performing school because of poor attendance. Has anybody got any figures on how much The Senydd costs to operate each year?
The problem is not just how much less Wales is getting from London, it's more about where the money is going and how it is being spent.
When is the WAG going to learn from the UK governments mistakes. They bought a bank which is still not profitable 5 years after the recession kicked in.
Rather than look to cut spending and improve efficiency they just waste more money. They have none then estimated budget cuts for each year for the past 5 years yet choose to bury their heads in the sand and cut services put up charges, increased council tax and raided reserves. Now they have no where to go

They need to merge council and services. There are big savings to be made there. Does each council need to run its own call centre? Do we need to have each council managing refuse collection. Do we need any where near the number of local councillors we currently have

What wrong with having one Legal.IT, HR and finance department for SE Wales rather than each council duplicating them

You either make big changes to the way councils are run and services are delivered or you face continued large cuts. This needs to be driven by the assembly as well as left to their own devices councils will not change
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paddyparry[/bold] wrote: Has anyone noticed that all bad news is blamed on the UK government? We never see the WAG accept responsibility for anything. If you listen to the WAG everything in Wales is rosy. The health, social and education services are roaring successes. The WAG are leading us to a brighter, more successful future. The reason we don't see this in our daily lives is because we do not see the "big picture".[/p][/quote]Uk government cut the spending[/p][/quote]UK Government have cut the funding. The pot has decreased dramatically. The problem is the WAG is passing these cuts on to the Councils causing dramatic effects across Wales whilst maintaining free prescriptions, spending £70 million pounds on the airport, promising tens of millions to the racetrack, hundreds of thousands to the Eisteddfod in Abergavenny, an additional £1.6 million funding for the Welsh Language black hole and an additional £20 million quod for supposed under performing schools who are only under performing on paper because of a banding system that can penalise a high performing school because of poor attendance. Has anybody got any figures on how much The Senydd costs to operate each year? The problem is not just how much less Wales is getting from London, it's more about where the money is going and how it is being spent. When is the WAG going to learn from the UK governments mistakes. They bought a bank which is still not profitable 5 years after the recession kicked in.[/p][/quote]Rather than look to cut spending and improve efficiency they just waste more money. They have none then estimated budget cuts for each year for the past 5 years yet choose to bury their heads in the sand and cut services put up charges, increased council tax and raided reserves. Now they have no where to go They need to merge council and services. There are big savings to be made there. Does each council need to run its own call centre? Do we need to have each council managing refuse collection. Do we need any where near the number of local councillors we currently have What wrong with having one Legal.IT, HR and finance department for SE Wales rather than each council duplicating them You either make big changes to the way councils are run and services are delivered or you face continued large cuts. This needs to be driven by the assembly as well as left to their own devices councils will not change Bobevans
  • Score: -5

6:19pm Sat 12 Jul 14

letsgobarbie says...

A study for The Prince's Trust found long-term jobless youngsters aged 16 to 25 are
suffering "devastating" symptoms of mental illness and often self-harming.
More than 2,000 young people were surveyed, with 40% of those who were out of work
saying they faced symptoms of mental illness.
Those unemployed for over a year were more likely to say they had no-one to confide
in, many are on zero hours contracts that is no better.
The working poor are the new unemployed.

The Tories created this by using the cuts as an excuse for their ideology, Labour have not helped especially on a local level in Wales, choosing to waste money on twinning activities and on dreamed up tokens to the community under the badge of regeneration, Its people who need regenerating.

The money spent on Cardiff Airport is money well spent in my opinion! We need to turn around the mass of Welsh travellers using Bristol Airport, it will boost our Welsh economy but will take time.
And money spent on the Welsh language is also well spent in my opinion, any self respecting country should look after its culture and history.

If you want to read about money and ideas wasted look no further read this ( compliments of Milkman):

https://t.co/bj9Kh8S
nol
A study for The Prince's Trust found long-term jobless youngsters aged 16 to 25 are suffering "devastating" symptoms of mental illness and often self-harming. More than 2,000 young people were surveyed, with 40% of those who were out of work saying they faced symptoms of mental illness. Those unemployed for over a year were more likely to say they had no-one to confide in, many are on zero hours contracts that is no better. The working poor are the new unemployed. The Tories created this by using the cuts as an excuse for their ideology, Labour have not helped especially on a local level in Wales, choosing to waste money on twinning activities and on dreamed up tokens to the community under the badge of regeneration, Its people who need regenerating. The money spent on Cardiff Airport is money well spent in my opinion! We need to turn around the mass of Welsh travellers using Bristol Airport, it will boost our Welsh economy but will take time. And money spent on the Welsh language is also well spent in my opinion, any self respecting country should look after its culture and history. If you want to read about money and ideas wasted look no further read this ( compliments of Milkman): https://t.co/bj9Kh8S nol letsgobarbie
  • Score: 4

7:42pm Sat 12 Jul 14

letsgobarbie says...

For anybody worried about the cuts, Don’t! Its all going to be all right because under Tory leadership those up the top of the ladder will be handsomely rewarded and in time their wise investing and willingness to help the country will all trickle down to us workingpoor at the bottom of the ladder.
There now you feel better don’t you?

Check out the facts of trickle down economics:


http://youtu.be/3U1D
_T-tSTw
For anybody worried about the cuts, Don’t! Its all going to be all right because under Tory leadership those up the top of the ladder will be handsomely rewarded and in time their wise investing and willingness to help the country will all trickle down to us workingpoor at the bottom of the ladder. There now you feel better don’t you? Check out the facts of trickle down economics: http://youtu.be/3U1D _T-tSTw letsgobarbie
  • Score: 4

5:42pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

The tories are now attacking the mentally ill, no one is free from their 'purge' of the sick and vulnerable, reputedly holding back the economy, survival of the fittest in action, and, Hitlers policies of the 1930s which culminated in the 'final solution'. Nowadays we just starve them to death by neglect. What they are talking about is a cull of 25% of the popualtion of the UK.
The tories are now attacking the mentally ill, no one is free from their 'purge' of the sick and vulnerable, reputedly holding back the economy, survival of the fittest in action, and, Hitlers policies of the 1930s which culminated in the 'final solution'. Nowadays we just starve them to death by neglect. What they are talking about is a cull of 25% of the popualtion of the UK. Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

6:14pm Sun 13 Jul 14

letsgobarbie says...

Mervyn James wrote:
The tories are now attacking the mentally ill, no one is free from their 'purge' of the sick and vulnerable, reputedly holding back the economy, survival of the fittest in action, and, Hitlers policies of the 1930s which culminated in the 'final solution'. Nowadays we just starve them to death by neglect. What they are talking about is a cull of 25% of the popualtion of the UK.
Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said.
It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage".The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society.

It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working".
This continues to fall on deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for!

However David Cameron has demonstrated that he is indeed a listening man!
...he employed Andy Coulson

Since the Tories got in we have had an epedemic of food banks, soup kitchens, pawn brokers and loan sharks. To be perfectly honest I could never vote for any political party, that takes money from disabled people, while giving millionaires Tax Cuts

.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: The tories are now attacking the mentally ill, no one is free from their 'purge' of the sick and vulnerable, reputedly holding back the economy, survival of the fittest in action, and, Hitlers policies of the 1930s which culminated in the 'final solution'. Nowadays we just starve them to death by neglect. What they are talking about is a cull of 25% of the popualtion of the UK.[/p][/quote]Millions of people in poverty live in UK households where at least one person works, the Living Wage Commission has said. It recommended that the government should pay its own workers a "living wage".The commission is an independent body that brings together business, trade unions and civil society. It said that "the majority of people in poverty in the UK are working". This continues to fall on deaf ears of the coalition government that nobody voted for! However David Cameron has demonstrated that he is indeed a listening man! ...he employed Andy Coulson Since the Tories got in we have had an epedemic of food banks, soup kitchens, pawn brokers and loan sharks. To be perfectly honest I could never vote for any political party, that takes money from disabled people, while giving millionaires Tax Cuts . letsgobarbie
  • Score: 3

6:23pm Sun 13 Jul 14

letsgobarbie says...

Its no surprise that the Tories complained about Oxfams promotional campaign,...its the truth:

The Charity Commission is assessing whether a promotional campaign by Oxfam broke its rules by criticising the government's austerity programme.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-politics-27
783331
Its no surprise that the Tories complained about Oxfams promotional campaign,...its the truth: The Charity Commission is assessing whether a promotional campaign by Oxfam broke its rules by criticising the government's austerity programme. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-27 783331 letsgobarbie
  • Score: 2

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