Gwent parents to face £60 truancy fines from this autumn

Gwent parents to face £60 truancy fines from this autumn

Gwent parents to face £60 truancy fines from this autumn

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EDUCATION chiefs are to hand out “punitive” fines to families of children who skip school from September.

The parents of students who play truant or persistently turn up late at school will receive £60 fines, as will families who take their children on holiday during term time.

The new Gwent charges will rise to £120 if unpaid after four weeks and parents who refuse to pay up could end up in court.

The policy is set out in a new code of conduct produced by the five local education authorities in Gwent.

Torfaen council Cabinet will be asked to approve the code of practice at Pontypool Civic Centre on Tuesday [July 15].

Executive member for children and young people, Cllr David Yeowell, said: "Attendance in school is essential to improve children’s educational prospects and it reduces the risk of absence leading to criminal or anti-social behaviour.

"Fixed penalty notices are just one of the sanctions available for poor attendance and offer an effective intervention for improving levels of unauthorised absence before it becomes entrenched and persistent while reducing the need for lengthy and costly prosecutions.

"Fines are punitive by nature and this will cause financial difficulty for some, but parents can avoid that difficulty by working with the council to address issues early and by ensuring their children attend school regularly."

Education bosses will only consider issuing fines when students lose at least 10 sessions or five school days due to unauthorised absence.

Parents will be able to complain to the Education Welfare Service or opt to face proceedings in magistrates’ courts.

LEAs will only be able to use money raised from fines to cover administration costs and the balance will be passed on to Welsh Government.

A consultation exercise conducted in Torfaen found that schools would need support to ensure that attendance policies are appropriately changed to reflect the introduction of the fines.

The consultation also found that Torfaen council should do as much as possible to support families with complex problems, including poor attendance.

A council spokesman said yesterday that failure to introduce the fines would be a breach of the Education (Penalty Notices) (Wales) Regulations 2013.

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10:37am Sun 13 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ? Mr Angry
  • Score: 109

10:49am Sun 13 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

As a parent I will happily pay a £60 fine if it means saving £500 by going on holiday during term time.

I find it funny that they can close a school whenever they want; 1st day back after holidays is teaching training, for the nato summit, stikes or whatever, but when a parent takes a child out of school their fined for it. How about next time they close the school I fine them £60.
As a parent I will happily pay a £60 fine if it means saving £500 by going on holiday during term time. I find it funny that they can close a school whenever they want; 1st day back after holidays is teaching training, for the nato summit, stikes or whatever, but when a parent takes a child out of school their fined for it. How about next time they close the school I fine them £60. mills191184
  • Score: 166

10:51am Sun 13 Jul 14

kittylou87 says...

I'm glad I don't have kids, looking at holidays and seeing the massive jump during school holidays is shocking! I know the teachers are in the same boat but they chose to be teachers - stop robbing people blind in this country, we're all entitled to a relaxing holiday that's not gonna cause families to have to remortgage their homes.
I'm glad I don't have kids, looking at holidays and seeing the massive jump during school holidays is shocking! I know the teachers are in the same boat but they chose to be teachers - stop robbing people blind in this country, we're all entitled to a relaxing holiday that's not gonna cause families to have to remortgage their homes. kittylou87
  • Score: 42

10:55am Sun 13 Jul 14

b3talover says...

"...the balance will be passed on to Welsh Government." Will that money be recycled back into the school system? As a member of the public I want assurances that it will be! If you are fining parents at schools in deprived communities, the money should be made available to schools in deprived communities to improve attendance. At the very least, it should be given to schools to cover the cost of extra staff for breakfast clubs.
"...the balance will be passed on to Welsh Government." Will that money be recycled back into the school system? As a member of the public I want assurances that it will be! If you are fining parents at schools in deprived communities, the money should be made available to schools in deprived communities to improve attendance. At the very least, it should be given to schools to cover the cost of extra staff for breakfast clubs. b3talover
  • Score: 34

11:22am Sun 13 Jul 14

polly12 says...

There will be a lot of kids ill so they can go away during term time
There will be a lot of kids ill so they can go away during term time polly12
  • Score: 50

11:59am Sun 13 Jul 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

This abrogation of the parental right to decide on the best upbringing for their children is obviously entirely justified. Afterall, truancy rates in Wales currently stand at a whopping 1.4%. Parents taking their kids on holiday is patently a serious problem. It's odd though that BBC Wales reports that "The children's committee doesn't agree with the government. It held an inquiry into attendance and behaviour and no-one that the committee spoke to supported this policy."

Perhaps the Children's Committee inquiry neglected to interview any tourism industry lobbyists - who of course only influence our government officials with our best interests in mind.
This abrogation of the parental right to decide on the best upbringing for their children is obviously entirely justified. Afterall, truancy rates in Wales currently stand at a whopping 1.4%. Parents taking their kids on holiday is patently a serious problem. It's odd though that BBC Wales reports that "The children's committee doesn't agree with the government. It held an inquiry into attendance and behaviour and no-one that the committee spoke to supported this policy." Perhaps the Children's Committee inquiry neglected to interview any tourism industry lobbyists - who of course only influence our government officials with our best interests in mind. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -7

12:04pm Sun 13 Jul 14

I'm back xx says...

I wonder if local education authorities will fund day care expensives, when they on go strikes
I wonder if local education authorities will fund day care expensives, when they on go strikes I'm back xx
  • Score: 19

12:07pm Sun 13 Jul 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Also... obviously the 'permission' to take your children out of school can presumably be granted at the discretion of the head? If that's the case, and although I don't actually know for sure - but I'm assuming that schools will be run rather like businesses these days - in that they will have some sort of KPI's, that may or may not be linked to budgets and funding considerations - with attendance being one of those KPI's. Now, my question is this - if a school performs well over a larger range of indicators, are those children going to get to go to Cuba in September, leaving the unfortunate children at badly run, and more underfunded schools more likely to see Tenby in June?
Also... obviously the 'permission' to take your children out of school can presumably be granted at the discretion of the head? If that's the case, and although I don't actually know for sure - but I'm assuming that schools will be run rather like businesses these days - in that they will have some sort of KPI's, that may or may not be linked to budgets and funding considerations - with attendance being one of those KPI's. Now, my question is this - if a school performs well over a larger range of indicators, are those children going to get to go to Cuba in September, leaving the unfortunate children at badly run, and more underfunded schools more likely to see Tenby in June? GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -5

1:36pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Woodgnome says...

I didn't take my kids on holiday during school holidays as a matter of personal principle even thought it cost more. I didn't want my kids growing up thinking that the school was at my beck and call to ignore when you feel like it.

It's not new fining parents who don't send their kids to school.

It's very harsh, maybe too harsh, but parents do have a choice.
I didn't take my kids on holiday during school holidays as a matter of personal principle even thought it cost more. I didn't want my kids growing up thinking that the school was at my beck and call to ignore when you feel like it. It's not new fining parents who don't send their kids to school. It's very harsh, maybe too harsh, but parents do have a choice. Woodgnome
  • Score: -7

1:37pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all.

I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime.

Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break!
Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all. I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime. Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break! Teacher1977
  • Score: 9

1:37pm Sun 13 Jul 14

westender says...

Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday? westender
  • Score: 1

1:37pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

Woodgnome wrote:
I didn't take my kids on holiday during school holidays as a matter of personal principle even thought it cost more. I didn't want my kids growing up thinking that the school was at my beck and call to ignore when you feel like it.

It's not new fining parents who don't send their kids to school.

It's very harsh, maybe too harsh, but parents do have a choice.
Nicely put.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: I didn't take my kids on holiday during school holidays as a matter of personal principle even thought it cost more. I didn't want my kids growing up thinking that the school was at my beck and call to ignore when you feel like it. It's not new fining parents who don't send their kids to school. It's very harsh, maybe too harsh, but parents do have a choice.[/p][/quote]Nicely put. Teacher1977
  • Score: 5

1:40pm Sun 13 Jul 14

westender says...

I'm back xx wrote:
I wonder if local education authorities will fund day care expensives, when they on go strikes
No I doubt it, I can't see them covering your day care expenses either
[quote][p][bold]I'm back xx[/bold] wrote: I wonder if local education authorities will fund day care expensives, when they on go strikes[/p][/quote]No I doubt it, I can't see them covering your day care expenses either westender
  • Score: 10

1:41pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Woodgnome says...

Woodgnome wrote:
I didn't take my kids on holiday during school holidays as a matter of personal principle even thought it cost more. I didn't want my kids growing up thinking that the school was at my beck and call to ignore when you feel like it.

It's not new fining parents who don't send their kids to school.

It's very harsh, maybe too harsh, but parents do have a choice.
Sorry, error, didn't take my kids on holiday during term time.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: I didn't take my kids on holiday during school holidays as a matter of personal principle even thought it cost more. I didn't want my kids growing up thinking that the school was at my beck and call to ignore when you feel like it. It's not new fining parents who don't send their kids to school. It's very harsh, maybe too harsh, but parents do have a choice.[/p][/quote]Sorry, error, didn't take my kids on holiday during term time. Woodgnome
  • Score: 4

1:43pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
[quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ??? Mr Angry
  • Score: 18

1:47pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Woodgnome says...

Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
Any employer who doesn't allow parents a holiday during term time is a disgrace. I realise some employers don't care that they are. It would be unreasonable for a head to refuse you in that case.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]Any employer who doesn't allow parents a holiday during term time is a disgrace. I realise some employers don't care that they are. It would be unreasonable for a head to refuse you in that case. Woodgnome
  • Score: 4

1:52pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging. Teacher1977
  • Score: 1

2:07pm Sun 13 Jul 14

jimmysmith says...

more rules by out of touch morons in local government office .jobsworths each and every one of them .if parents wont pay then they be referred to local magistrates .hhhmmmm and what if the parents then appeal it to the crown court ? 10k i think it is now to hear an appeal .parents with other children in the house being fined 60 pounds and doubled if not payed in a certain time .idiots the lot of them .it will be a crime to be alive soon
more rules by out of touch morons in local government office .jobsworths each and every one of them .if parents wont pay then they be referred to local magistrates .hhhmmmm and what if the parents then appeal it to the crown court ? 10k i think it is now to hear an appeal .parents with other children in the house being fined 60 pounds and doubled if not payed in a certain time .idiots the lot of them .it will be a crime to be alive soon jimmysmith
  • Score: 6

2:22pm Sun 13 Jul 14

displayed says...

So there we have it folks, the parents are the rebellious one, there the reason why their children are so naughty in school!
They just copy their parents!

As for "Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?"
This person speaks volumes when they make statements like that!

"The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays,"

Quite it is his/her duty to ensure the children (of these well balanced educated and rebellious parents) are given every encourage and opportunity to learn (even if they don't want it)!

You cant teach parents to suck eggs, they learnt their way and their opinions are the only ones that are accepted by them!

Just an educated guess!
So there we have it folks, the parents are the rebellious one, there the reason why their children are so naughty in school! They just copy their parents! As for "Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?" This person speaks volumes when they make statements like that! "The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays," Quite it is his/her duty to ensure the children (of these well balanced educated and rebellious parents) are given every encourage and opportunity to learn (even if they don't want it)! You cant teach parents to suck eggs, they learnt their way and their opinions are the only ones that are accepted by them! Just an educated guess! displayed
  • Score: 10

2:40pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Ringland Boy says...

displayed wrote:
So there we have it folks, the parents are the rebellious one, there the reason why their children are so naughty in school!
They just copy their parents!

As for "Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?"
This person speaks volumes when they make statements like that!

"The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays,"

Quite it is his/her duty to ensure the children (of these well balanced educated and rebellious parents) are given every encourage and opportunity to learn (even if they don't want it)!

You cant teach parents to suck eggs, they learnt their way and their opinions are the only ones that are accepted by them!

Just an educated guess!
My original point has not been answered, are ' holier than thou' idiots like you seriously suggesting that working people should not have a holiday, if days allocated them by their employers are in term time ?
[quote][p][bold]displayed[/bold] wrote: So there we have it folks, the parents are the rebellious one, there the reason why their children are so naughty in school! They just copy their parents! As for "Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?" This person speaks volumes when they make statements like that! "The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays," Quite it is his/her duty to ensure the children (of these well balanced educated and rebellious parents) are given every encourage and opportunity to learn (even if they don't want it)! You cant teach parents to suck eggs, they learnt their way and their opinions are the only ones that are accepted by them! Just an educated guess![/p][/quote]My original point has not been answered, are ' holier than thou' idiots like you seriously suggesting that working people should not have a holiday, if days allocated them by their employers are in term time ? Ringland Boy
  • Score: 5

2:41pm Sun 13 Jul 14

hamiltonman85 says...

In most cases a school will grant permission for holidays in reasonable circumstances. For example, a fortnight holiday once a year, maybe a couple of single weeks. However, they would understandably refuse if parents were going away a few times a year, missing large chunks of school time. Besides, these fines would only ever be issued to parents who hold no regard for their children's attendance, bot the parents missing odd days.
In most cases a school will grant permission for holidays in reasonable circumstances. For example, a fortnight holiday once a year, maybe a couple of single weeks. However, they would understandably refuse if parents were going away a few times a year, missing large chunks of school time. Besides, these fines would only ever be issued to parents who hold no regard for their children's attendance, bot the parents missing odd days. hamiltonman85
  • Score: 5

2:49pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

hamiltonman85 wrote:
In most cases a school will grant permission for holidays in reasonable circumstances. For example, a fortnight holiday once a year, maybe a couple of single weeks. However, they would understandably refuse if parents were going away a few times a year, missing large chunks of school time. Besides, these fines would only ever be issued to parents who hold no regard for their children's attendance, bot the parents missing odd days.
This used to be the case for many years Hamiltonman85, but guidance now given to schools states that any holiday during term time has to be classed as an unauthorised absence.

The biggest issue is for families of children from overseas who may have previously been granted up to six weeks authorised absence for a 'heritage visit' to their home countries. These are now classed as completely unauthorised. If a pupil is absent for more than four weeks then there is a good chance that they will be removed from the school roll.
[quote][p][bold]hamiltonman85[/bold] wrote: In most cases a school will grant permission for holidays in reasonable circumstances. For example, a fortnight holiday once a year, maybe a couple of single weeks. However, they would understandably refuse if parents were going away a few times a year, missing large chunks of school time. Besides, these fines would only ever be issued to parents who hold no regard for their children's attendance, bot the parents missing odd days.[/p][/quote]This used to be the case for many years Hamiltonman85, but guidance now given to schools states that any holiday during term time has to be classed as an unauthorised absence. The biggest issue is for families of children from overseas who may have previously been granted up to six weeks authorised absence for a 'heritage visit' to their home countries. These are now classed as completely unauthorised. If a pupil is absent for more than four weeks then there is a good chance that they will be removed from the school roll. Teacher1977
  • Score: 11

3:04pm Sun 13 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.
Nobody is arguing that truancy or lateness is not damaging and needs dealing with. The least any parent can do is ensure the children are up early enough and in school for the duration. If they don't they need telling and being made to do it. Some parents need the big stick. It's the same faces every day. This is a different issue to an annual holiday that is a break that is needed by many as a focus to get through the tough times. Many transport companies including Newport Transport whose main shareholder is Newport Council has set holidays given to drivers. These are non negotiable. Why should these drivers not be entitled to a family holiday when they work anti social hours and many on 60 hour weeks. If you make sure your children are punctual and in all the time for lessons you should be allowed to take them for, say a maximum of 14 school days a year ( not per term ) without fines. I hope this stays sensible when it is implemented by the councils. Otherwise it is another way of penalising joe public. Again.
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.[/p][/quote]Nobody is arguing that truancy or lateness is not damaging and needs dealing with. The least any parent can do is ensure the children are up early enough and in school for the duration. If they don't they need telling and being made to do it. Some parents need the big stick. It's the same faces every day. This is a different issue to an annual holiday that is a break that is needed by many as a focus to get through the tough times. Many transport companies including Newport Transport whose main shareholder is Newport Council has set holidays given to drivers. These are non negotiable. Why should these drivers not be entitled to a family holiday when they work anti social hours and many on 60 hour weeks. If you make sure your children are punctual and in all the time for lessons you should be allowed to take them for, say a maximum of 14 school days a year ( not per term ) without fines. I hope this stays sensible when it is implemented by the councils. Otherwise it is another way of penalising joe public. Again. landyman3030
  • Score: 15

3:16pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Mr Miffed says...

Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
'How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?'

Well (a) holiday companies don't have a monopoly. You can book your own hotel and fly with a budget airline and (b) when did you last sell something for below its market value?
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]'How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?' Well (a) holiday companies don't have a monopoly. You can book your own hotel and fly with a budget airline and (b) when did you last sell something for below its market value? Mr Miffed
  • Score: 3

3:36pm Sun 13 Jul 14

I'm back xx says...

westender wrote:
I'm back xx wrote:
I wonder if local education authorities will fund day care expensives, when they on go strikes
No I doubt it, I can't see them covering your day care expenses either
Don't require day care, as I'm a professional educator
[quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'm back xx[/bold] wrote: I wonder if local education authorities will fund day care expensives, when they on go strikes[/p][/quote]No I doubt it, I can't see them covering your day care expenses either[/p][/quote]Don't require day care, as I'm a professional educator I'm back xx
  • Score: -9

3:39pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

I'm back xx wrote:
westender wrote:
I'm back xx wrote:
I wonder if local education authorities will fund day care expensives, when they on go strikes
No I doubt it, I can't see them covering your day care expenses either
Don't require day care, as I'm a professional educator
Really?
[quote][p][bold]I'm back xx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'm back xx[/bold] wrote: I wonder if local education authorities will fund day care expensives, when they on go strikes[/p][/quote]No I doubt it, I can't see them covering your day care expenses either[/p][/quote]Don't require day care, as I'm a professional educator[/p][/quote]Really? Teacher1977
  • Score: 6

3:56pm Sun 13 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

hamiltonman85 wrote:
In most cases a school will grant permission for holidays in reasonable circumstances. For example, a fortnight holiday once a year, maybe a couple of single weeks. However, they would understandably refuse if parents were going away a few times a year, missing large chunks of school time. Besides, these fines would only ever be issued to parents who hold no regard for their children's attendance, bot the parents missing odd days.
I sincerely hope you are right. Unfortunately I've got a feeling that this is going to be rolled as a big stick operation used regardless of individual cases. Computer say no. Computer say no. Personal good attendance, good effort and results in lessons and no unreasonable time off should factor in every time. Let's hope......
[quote][p][bold]hamiltonman85[/bold] wrote: In most cases a school will grant permission for holidays in reasonable circumstances. For example, a fortnight holiday once a year, maybe a couple of single weeks. However, they would understandably refuse if parents were going away a few times a year, missing large chunks of school time. Besides, these fines would only ever be issued to parents who hold no regard for their children's attendance, bot the parents missing odd days.[/p][/quote]I sincerely hope you are right. Unfortunately I've got a feeling that this is going to be rolled as a big stick operation used regardless of individual cases. Computer say no. Computer say no. Personal good attendance, good effort and results in lessons and no unreasonable time off should factor in every time. Let's hope...... landyman3030
  • Score: 0

4:01pm Sun 13 Jul 14

sarah16965 says...

Absolutely hypocritical when the schools close for strikes and the nato summit....is this not harming children's education as equally? Should the fines apply to schools when they are closed. I can't afford to take my children on holiday anyway, let alone in the school holidays so it doesn't really make a difference to me, I just think the principle of it stinks!!
Absolutely hypocritical when the schools close for strikes and the nato summit....is this not harming children's education as equally? Should the fines apply to schools when they are closed. I can't afford to take my children on holiday anyway, let alone in the school holidays so it doesn't really make a difference to me, I just think the principle of it stinks!! sarah16965
  • Score: 10

4:05pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

If the parents can't pay, will they be calling upon the services of Gripper Stepson and his 'associates' to confiscate their kids tuck shop money?
If the parents can't pay, will they be calling upon the services of Gripper Stepson and his 'associates' to confiscate their kids tuck shop money? Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -5

4:06pm Sun 13 Jul 14

irisheyes says...

I don't have a major issue with parents rights to a holiday with their children,during or not during term time what I have an issue with is the number of children around town ( Cwmbran) during school hours sometimes with parents or,if older,without parents.Maybe this is why the education authority has had to come down hard on all families with regard to school abscences.Maybe the answer would be for PCSOs to have the power to escort children back to school and parents to be disciplined for not knowing,or caring,where their children are during the day.
I don't have a major issue with parents rights to a holiday with their children,during or not during term time what I have an issue with is the number of children around town ( Cwmbran) during school hours sometimes with parents or,if older,without parents.Maybe this is why the education authority has had to come down hard on all families with regard to school abscences.Maybe the answer would be for PCSOs to have the power to escort children back to school and parents to be disciplined for not knowing,or caring,where their children are during the day. irisheyes
  • Score: 18

4:16pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
You're in luck. Mr Miliband will be legislating on energy prices if he is PM next year. This will mean you won't always be able to switch the lights on when you come home and it may be a little chilly November-March, but hey, that's a small price to pay, isn't it?
Equally, rationing may mean that you get 3 days in Barry in August while your neighbour has 3 weeks in Grand Cayman; nothing to do with him being an AM; just a quirk of the ration book.
However spam won't be on rations. So, enjoy it with your Morons.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]You're in luck. Mr Miliband will be legislating on energy prices if he is PM next year. This will mean you won't always be able to switch the lights on when you come home and it may be a little chilly November-March, but hey, that's a small price to pay, isn't it? Equally, rationing may mean that you get 3 days in Barry in August while your neighbour has 3 weeks in Grand Cayman; nothing to do with him being an AM; just a quirk of the ration book. However spam won't be on rations. So, enjoy it with your Morons. Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

4:31pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Woodgnome says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
Any employer who doesn't allow parents a holiday during term time is a disgrace. I realise some employers don't care that they are. It would be unreasonable for a head to refuse you in that case.
I'm having a bad day!! I meant any employer who doesn't allow parents a holiday during SHOOL HOLIDAYS is a disgrace. I
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]Any employer who doesn't allow parents a holiday during term time is a disgrace. I realise some employers don't care that they are. It would be unreasonable for a head to refuse you in that case.[/p][/quote]I'm having a bad day!! I meant any employer who doesn't allow parents a holiday during SHOOL HOLIDAYS is a disgrace. I Woodgnome
  • Score: -1

4:32pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
You're in luck. Mr Miliband will be legislating on energy prices if he is PM next year. This will mean you won't always be able to switch the lights on when you come home and it may be a little chilly November-March, but hey, that's a small price to pay, isn't it?
Equally, rationing may mean that you get 3 days in Barry in August while your neighbour has 3 weeks in Grand Cayman; nothing to do with him being an AM; just a quirk of the ration book.
However spam won't be on rations. So, enjoy it with your Morons.
What are you talking about?
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]You're in luck. Mr Miliband will be legislating on energy prices if he is PM next year. This will mean you won't always be able to switch the lights on when you come home and it may be a little chilly November-March, but hey, that's a small price to pay, isn't it? Equally, rationing may mean that you get 3 days in Barry in August while your neighbour has 3 weeks in Grand Cayman; nothing to do with him being an AM; just a quirk of the ration book. However spam won't be on rations. So, enjoy it with your Morons.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about? Teacher1977
  • Score: 4

5:18pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.
I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise.

This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays.

Some people need to join the real world of work
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.[/p][/quote]I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise. This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays. Some people need to join the real world of work Mr Angry
  • Score: 5

5:27pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.
I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise.

This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays.

Some people need to join the real world of work
I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.[/p][/quote]I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise. This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays. Some people need to join the real world of work[/p][/quote]I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school! Teacher1977
  • Score: -5

5:59pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.
I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise.

This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays.

Some people need to join the real world of work
I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school!
You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school.

I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least.

I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.[/p][/quote]I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise. This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays. Some people need to join the real world of work[/p][/quote]I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school![/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school. I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least. I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about Mr Angry
  • Score: 12

5:59pm Sun 13 Jul 14

emmaw86 says...

My oldest is in pre school so this won't apply to him until Reception in September however we recently returned from a 4 night UK break that we could just about afford. My children had a great time spending time with their dad who works so many hours he rarely gets to see them usually. We could never afford to go anywhere during the school holidays, are we meant to go without a decent family break for 16 years? I'd rather get myself in trouble and pay the fine.
My oldest is in pre school so this won't apply to him until Reception in September however we recently returned from a 4 night UK break that we could just about afford. My children had a great time spending time with their dad who works so many hours he rarely gets to see them usually. We could never afford to go anywhere during the school holidays, are we meant to go without a decent family break for 16 years? I'd rather get myself in trouble and pay the fine. emmaw86
  • Score: 18

6:03pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.
I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise.

This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays.

Some people need to join the real world of work
I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school!
You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school.

I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least.

I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about
I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.[/p][/quote]I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise. This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays. Some people need to join the real world of work[/p][/quote]I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school![/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school. I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least. I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about[/p][/quote]I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about. Teacher1977
  • Score: -14

6:16pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.
I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise.

This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays.

Some people need to join the real world of work
I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school!
You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school.

I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least.

I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about
I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.
Then you should no better than make stupid comments
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.[/p][/quote]I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise. This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays. Some people need to join the real world of work[/p][/quote]I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school![/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school. I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least. I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about[/p][/quote]I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.[/p][/quote]Then you should no better than make stupid comments Mr Angry
  • Score: 11

6:17pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

emmaw86 wrote:
My oldest is in pre school so this won't apply to him until Reception in September however we recently returned from a 4 night UK break that we could just about afford. My children had a great time spending time with their dad who works so many hours he rarely gets to see them usually. We could never afford to go anywhere during the school holidays, are we meant to go without a decent family break for 16 years? I'd rather get myself in trouble and pay the fine.
Well said, agree 100% there are people who contribute these boards who have no concept of the real world.
[quote][p][bold]emmaw86[/bold] wrote: My oldest is in pre school so this won't apply to him until Reception in September however we recently returned from a 4 night UK break that we could just about afford. My children had a great time spending time with their dad who works so many hours he rarely gets to see them usually. We could never afford to go anywhere during the school holidays, are we meant to go without a decent family break for 16 years? I'd rather get myself in trouble and pay the fine.[/p][/quote]Well said, agree 100% there are people who contribute these boards who have no concept of the real world. Mr Angry
  • Score: 5

6:19pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.
I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise.

This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays.

Some people need to join the real world of work
I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school!
You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school.

I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least.

I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about
I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.
Then you should no better than make stupid comments
I've made no stupid comments.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.[/p][/quote]I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise. This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays. Some people need to join the real world of work[/p][/quote]I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school![/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school. I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least. I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about[/p][/quote]I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.[/p][/quote]Then you should no better than make stupid comments[/p][/quote]I've made no stupid comments. Teacher1977
  • Score: -8

6:25pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.
I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise.

This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays.

Some people need to join the real world of work
I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school!
You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school.

I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least.

I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about
I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.
With respect you are on a higher disposable income than many workers and with six summer weeks to choose from. This is one of those arguments where both sides have some merit but yours might be considered a more luxurious point to pontificate from than for people who struggle to get two weeks off when they would want it.
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.[/p][/quote]I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise. This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays. Some people need to join the real world of work[/p][/quote]I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school![/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school. I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least. I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about[/p][/quote]I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.[/p][/quote]With respect you are on a higher disposable income than many workers and with six summer weeks to choose from. This is one of those arguments where both sides have some merit but yours might be considered a more luxurious point to pontificate from than for people who struggle to get two weeks off when they would want it. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 11

6:48pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.
I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise.

This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays.

Some people need to join the real world of work
I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school!
You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school.

I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least.

I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about
I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.
Then you should no better than make stupid comments
I've made no stupid comments.
You said ' And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school! '

which is stupid when I when I work through the school holidays , a holiday during the school holidays is impossible - Jesus if your sort had their way I could go years without a holiday .

It was a stupid comment.
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.[/p][/quote]I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise. This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays. Some people need to join the real world of work[/p][/quote]I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school![/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school. I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least. I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about[/p][/quote]I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.[/p][/quote]Then you should no better than make stupid comments[/p][/quote]I've made no stupid comments.[/p][/quote]You said ' And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school! ' which is stupid when I when I work through the school holidays , a holiday during the school holidays is impossible - Jesus if your sort had their way I could go years without a holiday . It was a stupid comment. Mr Angry
  • Score: -1

6:49pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.
I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise.

This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays.

Some people need to join the real world of work
I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school!
You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school.

I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least.

I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about
I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.
With respect you are on a higher disposable income than many workers and with six summer weeks to choose from. This is one of those arguments where both sides have some merit but yours might be considered a more luxurious point to pontificate from than for people who struggle to get two weeks off when they would want it.
Good god I actually agree with you .
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.[/p][/quote]I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise. This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays. Some people need to join the real world of work[/p][/quote]I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school![/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school. I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least. I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about[/p][/quote]I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.[/p][/quote]With respect you are on a higher disposable income than many workers and with six summer weeks to choose from. This is one of those arguments where both sides have some merit but yours might be considered a more luxurious point to pontificate from than for people who struggle to get two weeks off when they would want it.[/p][/quote]Good god I actually agree with you . Mr Angry
  • Score: 0

6:51pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

What is the fuss about ? There is no law says your have to send children to school, only, that they are properly educated, you can go private, or teach them yourself, then, take as many holidays as you want.
What is the fuss about ? There is no law says your have to send children to school, only, that they are properly educated, you can go private, or teach them yourself, then, take as many holidays as you want. Mervyn James
  • Score: -2

7:06pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

There is a lot of evidence that good attendance at school and high achievement are inextricably linked. It's indicative of the mentality of those who take their kids out of school during term time that they even think their argument is valid.
There is a lot of evidence that good attendance at school and high achievement are inextricably linked. It's indicative of the mentality of those who take their kids out of school during term time that they even think their argument is valid. Teacher1977
  • Score: -4

7:07pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.
I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise.

This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays.

Some people need to join the real world of work
I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school!
You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school.

I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least.

I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about
I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.
Then you should no better than make stupid comments
I've made no stupid comments.
You said ' And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school! '

which is stupid when I when I work through the school holidays , a holiday during the school holidays is impossible - Jesus if your sort had their way I could go years without a holiday .

It was a stupid comment.
Then the problem is with employers. Let's lobby employers to allow holidays at suitable times. In the meantime, send your kids to school!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.[/p][/quote]I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise. This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays. Some people need to join the real world of work[/p][/quote]I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school![/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school. I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least. I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about[/p][/quote]I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.[/p][/quote]Then you should no better than make stupid comments[/p][/quote]I've made no stupid comments.[/p][/quote]You said ' And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school! ' which is stupid when I when I work through the school holidays , a holiday during the school holidays is impossible - Jesus if your sort had their way I could go years without a holiday . It was a stupid comment.[/p][/quote]Then the problem is with employers. Let's lobby employers to allow holidays at suitable times. In the meantime, send your kids to school! Teacher1977
  • Score: -1

7:42pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.
I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise.

This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays.

Some people need to join the real world of work
I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school!
You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school.

I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least.

I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about
I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.
Then you should no better than make stupid comments
I've made no stupid comments.
You said ' And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school! '

which is stupid when I when I work through the school holidays , a holiday during the school holidays is impossible - Jesus if your sort had their way I could go years without a holiday .

It was a stupid comment.
Then the problem is with employers. Let's lobby employers to allow holidays at suitable times. In the meantime, send your kids to school!
No way ! I work my a$$ off all year - i dare say you have a break , I WILL have one, and if they want to be difficult it about, I' m happy to see the school face to face to discuss it.
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.[/p][/quote]I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise. This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays. Some people need to join the real world of work[/p][/quote]I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school![/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school. I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least. I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about[/p][/quote]I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.[/p][/quote]Then you should no better than make stupid comments[/p][/quote]I've made no stupid comments.[/p][/quote]You said ' And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school! ' which is stupid when I when I work through the school holidays , a holiday during the school holidays is impossible - Jesus if your sort had their way I could go years without a holiday . It was a stupid comment.[/p][/quote]Then the problem is with employers. Let's lobby employers to allow holidays at suitable times. In the meantime, send your kids to school![/p][/quote]No way ! I work my a$$ off all year - i dare say you have a break , I WILL have one, and if they want to be difficult it about, I' m happy to see the school face to face to discuss it. Mr Angry
  • Score: -1

7:44pm Sun 13 Jul 14

BernardCCC says...

My child's education always came first...so no holidays in term time... during gcses.
But in primary school she used to spend the last few weeks watching (pirate) dvds and the like in school as they wound down for the end if year. Our holidays include many museums, sites of historic significance etc...far more educational than anthing school were offering at that time.
My child's education always came first...so no holidays in term time... during gcses. But in primary school she used to spend the last few weeks watching (pirate) dvds and the like in school as they wound down for the end if year. Our holidays include many museums, sites of historic significance etc...far more educational than anthing school were offering at that time. BernardCCC
  • Score: 20

7:58pm Sun 13 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

So to lobby employers to allow all annual leave in school holidays will mean that most bus, train, lorry and taxi operators will run a reduced or non existent service for 6 weeks because you would have to allow 2 weeks holiday in those 6 weeks. Allow the percentage of workers in all other industries to take off their 2 weeks in that 6 week period and we might as well shut down for the summer. What a hoot. It's simple. If your kids are smart, punctual and show real effort in their school life they will be allowed to earn plus points towards holidays in term time. Like a voucher. If your kids are unruly, disruptive, unkempt and truant either by arriving late or leaving early you get no points so Mam and Dad have to pay to get you out in term time. Might make some parents sit up and take notice of what their offspring are like in school.
So to lobby employers to allow all annual leave in school holidays will mean that most bus, train, lorry and taxi operators will run a reduced or non existent service for 6 weeks because you would have to allow 2 weeks holiday in those 6 weeks. Allow the percentage of workers in all other industries to take off their 2 weeks in that 6 week period and we might as well shut down for the summer. What a hoot. It's simple. If your kids are smart, punctual and show real effort in their school life they will be allowed to earn plus points towards holidays in term time. Like a voucher. If your kids are unruly, disruptive, unkempt and truant either by arriving late or leaving early you get no points so Mam and Dad have to pay to get you out in term time. Might make some parents sit up and take notice of what their offspring are like in school. landyman3030
  • Score: 15

8:09pm Sun 13 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Dare I ask who instigated and voted for the Education Penalty Notices Wales 2013 Law that the councils are being FORCED to sign up to? Is this UK government based or more from the WAG?
Dare I ask who instigated and voted for the Education Penalty Notices Wales 2013 Law that the councils are being FORCED to sign up to? Is this UK government based or more from the WAG? landyman3030
  • Score: 4

8:13pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Jkke16 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
emmaw86 wrote:
My oldest is in pre school so this won't apply to him until Reception in September however we recently returned from a 4 night UK break that we could just about afford. My children had a great time spending time with their dad who works so many hours he rarely gets to see them usually. We could never afford to go anywhere during the school holidays, are we meant to go without a decent family break for 16 years? I'd rather get myself in trouble and pay the fine.
Well said, agree 100% there are people who contribute these boards who have no concept of the real world.
Reception is non statutory education and therefore attendance figures do not count towards the schools percentage. So in reality a fine in reception shouldn't happen.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emmaw86[/bold] wrote: My oldest is in pre school so this won't apply to him until Reception in September however we recently returned from a 4 night UK break that we could just about afford. My children had a great time spending time with their dad who works so many hours he rarely gets to see them usually. We could never afford to go anywhere during the school holidays, are we meant to go without a decent family break for 16 years? I'd rather get myself in trouble and pay the fine.[/p][/quote]Well said, agree 100% there are people who contribute these boards who have no concept of the real world.[/p][/quote]Reception is non statutory education and therefore attendance figures do not count towards the schools percentage. So in reality a fine in reception shouldn't happen. Jkke16
  • Score: 4

8:18pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Jkke16 says...

I hold a very senior position in education and am also a parent. I can see both sides of this argument and having read all the threads I want to, in the main, stay out of it!

However I feel obliged to say schools, Head Teachers, teachers and governing bodies have had no input into this decision what so ever. We are, in effect, caught in the middle of the councillors who make decisions and parents.

Education and attendance at strongly linked and it is proven that the best attendees attain more. However holidays can often been valuable family social time and an opportunity to experience different cultures and learning experiences. Hopefully something can be sorted out and a happy middle ground established.
I hold a very senior position in education and am also a parent. I can see both sides of this argument and having read all the threads I want to, in the main, stay out of it! However I feel obliged to say schools, Head Teachers, teachers and governing bodies have had no input into this decision what so ever. We are, in effect, caught in the middle of the councillors who make decisions and parents. Education and attendance at strongly linked and it is proven that the best attendees attain more. However holidays can often been valuable family social time and an opportunity to experience different cultures and learning experiences. Hopefully something can be sorted out and a happy middle ground established. Jkke16
  • Score: 26

8:25pm Sun 13 Jul 14

MrsBea says...

It is a ridiculous idea to fine parents. In 8 years I have taken my children on one holiday, to Somerset, hardly Cancun, and they missed 5 days of school. It saddens me that even with 100% attendance, they can't take days off school for a family break. I was hoping to afford another caravan holiday next year having been saving for the past year, looks like I will have to save a year or two longer to afford the fines on top! My husband looked at caravan prices earlier, almost £1k for a week in a caravan during school holidays. Low income families like ours don't have a chance even though my children don't miss a day of school. (No, they haven't even had a single sick day, dentist appointment or otherwise during school hours.)
It is a ridiculous idea to fine parents. In 8 years I have taken my children on one holiday, to Somerset, hardly Cancun, and they missed 5 days of school. It saddens me that even with 100% attendance, they can't take days off school for a family break. I was hoping to afford another caravan holiday next year having been saving for the past year, looks like I will have to save a year or two longer to afford the fines on top! My husband looked at caravan prices earlier, almost £1k for a week in a caravan during school holidays. Low income families like ours don't have a chance even though my children don't miss a day of school. (No, they haven't even had a single sick day, dentist appointment or otherwise during school hours.) MrsBea
  • Score: 9

8:30pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Jkke16 says...

I think what is more worrying about this story is the lack of detail. Is it £60:
A day? A week? A month?
Per child?
I think what is more worrying about this story is the lack of detail. Is it £60: A day? A week? A month? Per child? Jkke16
  • Score: 4

8:35pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

Jkke16 wrote:
I hold a very senior position in education and am also a parent. I can see both sides of this argument and having read all the threads I want to, in the main, stay out of it!

However I feel obliged to say schools, Head Teachers, teachers and governing bodies have had no input into this decision what so ever. We are, in effect, caught in the middle of the councillors who make decisions and parents.

Education and attendance at strongly linked and it is proven that the best attendees attain more. However holidays can often been valuable family social time and an opportunity to experience different cultures and learning experiences. Hopefully something can be sorted out and a happy middle ground established.
You summed up entirely what I was trying to say beautifully :)
[quote][p][bold]Jkke16[/bold] wrote: I hold a very senior position in education and am also a parent. I can see both sides of this argument and having read all the threads I want to, in the main, stay out of it! However I feel obliged to say schools, Head Teachers, teachers and governing bodies have had no input into this decision what so ever. We are, in effect, caught in the middle of the councillors who make decisions and parents. Education and attendance at strongly linked and it is proven that the best attendees attain more. However holidays can often been valuable family social time and an opportunity to experience different cultures and learning experiences. Hopefully something can be sorted out and a happy middle ground established.[/p][/quote]You summed up entirely what I was trying to say beautifully :) Teacher1977
  • Score: 5

8:37pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

Jkke16 wrote:
I think what is more worrying about this story is the lack of detail. Is it £60:
A day? A week? A month?
Per child?
Per child per week as I understand it i.e two children for a two week absence = £240
[quote][p][bold]Jkke16[/bold] wrote: I think what is more worrying about this story is the lack of detail. Is it £60: A day? A week? A month? Per child?[/p][/quote]Per child per week as I understand it i.e two children for a two week absence = £240 Teacher1977
  • Score: 4

9:01pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Jack Land says...

How about school trips in term time? Pretty sure that a week away at a PGL or skiing isn't educational, neither are day trips to theme parks and yet schools can take kids away for these, usually in term time!
How about school trips in term time? Pretty sure that a week away at a PGL or skiing isn't educational, neither are day trips to theme parks and yet schools can take kids away for these, usually in term time! Jack Land
  • Score: 0

10:49pm Sun 13 Jul 14

cjwales1 says...

Is it just me or can anyone see a mumps outbreak about to happen ????
Know when eldest lad had mumps I didnt want him around but the Army sent him home !!!! Any headmaster who wants a kid with mumps in school, is a bit of a muppet. can see it being the malady of choice this year !!!
What a stoopid ruling anyway, cant see me having to cancel youngest's university fund because we decide to go on vacation during term time, she finger paints and listens to stories. £60 or mumps ?????
Stoopid ruling by Stoopid people !!!!!
Is it just me or can anyone see a mumps outbreak about to happen ???? Know when eldest lad had mumps I didnt want him around but the Army sent him home !!!! Any headmaster who wants a kid with mumps in school, is a bit of a muppet. can see it being the malady of choice this year !!! What a stoopid ruling anyway, cant see me having to cancel youngest's university fund because we decide to go on vacation during term time, she finger paints and listens to stories. £60 or mumps ????? Stoopid ruling by Stoopid people !!!!! cjwales1
  • Score: 1

11:30pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Crossbenchtory says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all.

I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime.

Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break!
I'm fairly sure you could fit your "Training Days" into the ridiculously large number of holidays you get off each year!!!
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all. I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime. Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break![/p][/quote]I'm fairly sure you could fit your "Training Days" into the ridiculously large number of holidays you get off each year!!! Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 0

11:42pm Sun 13 Jul 14

jimmysmith says...

one thing no ones picked up on ..its unenforceable .its not a law .its not made law at government level. just ignore it . no bailiffs have any power its a civil matter if you dispute it .not a police matter .dont be bluffed people know your rights
one thing no ones picked up on ..its unenforceable .its not a law .its not made law at government level. just ignore it . no bailiffs have any power its a civil matter if you dispute it .not a police matter .dont be bluffed people know your rights jimmysmith
  • Score: 5

12:11am Mon 14 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
You're in luck. Mr Miliband will be legislating on energy prices if he is PM next year. This will mean you won't always be able to switch the lights on when you come home and it may be a little chilly November-March, but hey, that's a small price to pay, isn't it?
Equally, rationing may mean that you get 3 days in Barry in August while your neighbour has 3 weeks in Grand Cayman; nothing to do with him being an AM; just a quirk of the ration book.
However spam won't be on rations. So, enjoy it with your Morons.
What are you talking about?
Supply and demand. If you don't have a grasp of it , like Mr Angry, then going shopping must be an incredibly challenging event.
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]You're in luck. Mr Miliband will be legislating on energy prices if he is PM next year. This will mean you won't always be able to switch the lights on when you come home and it may be a little chilly November-March, but hey, that's a small price to pay, isn't it? Equally, rationing may mean that you get 3 days in Barry in August while your neighbour has 3 weeks in Grand Cayman; nothing to do with him being an AM; just a quirk of the ration book. However spam won't be on rations. So, enjoy it with your Morons.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about?[/p][/quote]Supply and demand. If you don't have a grasp of it , like Mr Angry, then going shopping must be an incredibly challenging event. Dai Rear
  • Score: 3

6:38am Mon 14 Jul 14

anigel says...

This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.
This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer. anigel
  • Score: 1

6:43am Mon 14 Jul 14

anigel says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.
I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise.

This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays.

Some people need to join the real world of work
I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school!
You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school.

I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least.

I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about
I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.
Then you should no better than make stupid comments
I've made no stupid comments.
You said ' And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school! '

which is stupid when I when I work through the school holidays , a holiday during the school holidays is impossible - Jesus if your sort had their way I could go years without a holiday .

It was a stupid comment.
Then the problem is with employers. Let's lobby employers to allow holidays at suitable times. In the meantime, send your kids to school!
No way ! I work my a$$ off all year - i dare say you have a break , I WILL have one, and if they want to be difficult it about, I' m happy to see the school face to face to discuss it.
Of course they have a break. Over 2 months per year in fact.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]That says it all. The 'why shouldn't I have a break' argument is extremely damaging. Children who miss an average of a day of week over their school life will gave missed a year of schooling by the time they leave school. I don't see how anyone can say that that isn't damaging.[/p][/quote]I work- WHY SHOULDN'T I HAVE A BREAK - to quote David Cameron, I 'go to work and do the right thing' - Quite frankly who is ANYONE least of all the likes of you, to tell me I can't have a holiday , and I resent anyone telling me otherwise. This stupid idea will not last, the Police are not happy about it, and neither are other emergency services, I take it everyone would be happy if staff numbers in the Police, Fire Service, NHS staff etc were low during School Holidays due to holidays. Some people need to join the real world of work[/p][/quote]I'm in the real world of work. And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school![/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you. There are times when the needs of my employers mean I have to work through School Holidays, and my annual leave is allocated to me during term time. It is impossible for me to have a holiday when my kids are not in school. I usually work Bank Holidays and they are reallocated to me at other times so having any time off with my kids is difficult to say the least. I suggest you comment when you know what you are talking about[/p][/quote]I'm a teacher, so I know what I'm talking about.[/p][/quote]Then you should no better than make stupid comments[/p][/quote]I've made no stupid comments.[/p][/quote]You said ' And by all means have a holiday. Just do it when your kids are not in school! ' which is stupid when I when I work through the school holidays , a holiday during the school holidays is impossible - Jesus if your sort had their way I could go years without a holiday . It was a stupid comment.[/p][/quote]Then the problem is with employers. Let's lobby employers to allow holidays at suitable times. In the meantime, send your kids to school![/p][/quote]No way ! I work my a$$ off all year - i dare say you have a break , I WILL have one, and if they want to be difficult it about, I' m happy to see the school face to face to discuss it.[/p][/quote]Of course they have a break. Over 2 months per year in fact. anigel
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7:51am Mon 14 Jul 14

gwely says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all.

I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime.

Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break!
Why do we continually bash teachers. They are there to do a job to give your children the best start in life. For some children, something they would not have if they relied on their parents. I'm totally supportive of my school. My son is very proud of his 100% attendance at school and that is also demonstrated in his school report. As far as I am concerned, I giving him the best start in life with professionally trained people to support him through his school life along with what we do at home. That's more important to me as a parent, than a holiday in the sun at a fraction of the cost.
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all. I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime. Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break![/p][/quote]Why do we continually bash teachers. They are there to do a job to give your children the best start in life. For some children, something they would not have if they relied on their parents. I'm totally supportive of my school. My son is very proud of his 100% attendance at school and that is also demonstrated in his school report. As far as I am concerned, I giving him the best start in life with professionally trained people to support him through his school life along with what we do at home. That's more important to me as a parent, than a holiday in the sun at a fraction of the cost. gwely
  • Score: 8

8:41am Mon 14 Jul 14

reader75 says...

What a complete joke!! They will do anything just to make money. Have they not thought of the whole impact this would have on the child obviously not! I think more concentration is needed with the real criminals of this world. Instead of going for the parents why not get onto holiday companies to lower their prices so its ok for families to take their children on family holidays where we can then make good memories...
What a complete joke!! They will do anything just to make money. Have they not thought of the whole impact this would have on the child obviously not! I think more concentration is needed with the real criminals of this world. Instead of going for the parents why not get onto holiday companies to lower their prices so its ok for families to take their children on family holidays where we can then make good memories... reader75
  • Score: 1

9:01am Mon 14 Jul 14

inkyskin says...

October is the only time myself and my partner have been able to book time off from work, so we have no choice but to take the kids out to go on holiday, both my kids have over 98% attendance while other kids barely turn up, I'm going to do it properly and request time out for them and also explain that not everyone has a 9-5 job, my job is 24/7 - 365 days a year as is my partners. So fingers crossed that they'll give permission to go, but to be honest, we'll be going anyway and i'll pay the fine when i come back!
October is the only time myself and my partner have been able to book time off from work, so we have no choice but to take the kids out to go on holiday, both my kids have over 98% attendance while other kids barely turn up, I'm going to do it properly and request time out for them and also explain that not everyone has a 9-5 job, my job is 24/7 - 365 days a year as is my partners. So fingers crossed that they'll give permission to go, but to be honest, we'll be going anyway and i'll pay the fine when i come back! inkyskin
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9:10am Mon 14 Jul 14

davidcp says...

I admit I'm on the side of the holidayers. This is because the school rightly argues that missing a week can be damaging. So if I miss an hour of Welsh, French, Geography, German, Physics, Biology, Chemistry AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS I HAVE NEVER USED SINCE I LEFT SCHOOL I may be disadvantaged.

And with Maths I only add, multiply, subtract and divide. Haven't used algebra much, either. Nor quadratic equations.

English, on the other hand, is a valuable tool that I've used constantly but which so many people seemed to have missed through holidays......
I admit I'm on the side of the holidayers. This is because the school rightly argues that missing a week can be damaging. So if I miss an hour of Welsh, French, Geography, German, Physics, Biology, Chemistry AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS I HAVE NEVER USED SINCE I LEFT SCHOOL I may be disadvantaged. And with Maths I only add, multiply, subtract and divide. Haven't used algebra much, either. Nor quadratic equations. English, on the other hand, is a valuable tool that I've used constantly but which so many people seemed to have missed through holidays...... davidcp
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9:58am Mon 14 Jul 14

mikewelsh says...

My parents didn't even know when i played truant.! Is this another way of generating more money or more new Titled jobs for the civil side again? If its to increase income into the local coffers, start by fining the litter louts. A good start would be with McDonalds.
My parents didn't even know when i played truant.! Is this another way of generating more money or more new Titled jobs for the civil side again? If its to increase income into the local coffers, start by fining the litter louts. A good start would be with McDonalds. mikewelsh
  • Score: 0

10:19am Mon 14 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

It may have changed since the 90's but then, in Brynmawr I'm aware, you could put "traveller" against the name of a child (frequently from Waunheulog) in the register and if they didn't pitch up they were "travelling" and didn't count in the absentee statistics.
It may have changed since the 90's but then, in Brynmawr I'm aware, you could put "traveller" against the name of a child (frequently from Waunheulog) in the register and if they didn't pitch up they were "travelling" and didn't count in the absentee statistics. Dai Rear
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11:06am Mon 14 Jul 14

Mr G Went says...

I'm an employer with a small-ish workforce. We all have children.
I have not taken time during the summer break to allow my staff time for holidays with their children.
I have booked my holidays for later in the year, as its the only way I can get around and allow my staff to have their summer breaks.

Should I have to pay a 'Holiday Tax' because of it?
I'm an employer with a small-ish workforce. We all have children. I have not taken time during the summer break to allow my staff time for holidays with their children. I have booked my holidays for later in the year, as its the only way I can get around and allow my staff to have their summer breaks. Should I have to pay a 'Holiday Tax' because of it? Mr G Went
  • Score: 1

12:48pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Floppy backed says...

Calm down! I am sure the odd holiday time for children who have a 98% attendance is not going to be an issue. My children have an average of 2-3 days sick per year yet some children seem to be off on the sick every other week - perhaps these problems need to be addressed first.

What I dont get about UK schooling is the number of days they are already off outside holiday days for instance 1.snow day - these days are never made back, the odd bit of snow and ice the school closes which is a problem for employees. 2. strike days 3. election days complete joke - how many people vote on site now? 4. Nato days or other inconveniences - are these days taken out of the summer holiday - NO well why not? Why should the teachers have paid holiday again? 5. Teacher training. The amount of time our children our out of school cannot be comparable with 30 plus years ago.

Agree what has been said - not everyone can take holidays in school holiday times. Some people actually have to work (amazing this!). Most people only receive 28 days holiday per year too,

The big issue with the public sector is that they are so out of touch with the world of trade and commerce, they are being carried by a great system which protects them from the reality of life outside this system.
Calm down! I am sure the odd holiday time for children who have a 98% attendance is not going to be an issue. My children have an average of 2-3 days sick per year yet some children seem to be off on the sick every other week - perhaps these problems need to be addressed first. What I dont get about UK schooling is the number of days they are already off outside holiday days for instance 1.snow day - these days are never made back, the odd bit of snow and ice the school closes which is a problem for employees. 2. strike days 3. election days complete joke - how many people vote on site now? 4. Nato days or other inconveniences - are these days taken out of the summer holiday - NO well why not? Why should the teachers have paid holiday again? 5. Teacher training. The amount of time our children our out of school cannot be comparable with 30 plus years ago. Agree what has been said - not everyone can take holidays in school holiday times. Some people actually have to work (amazing this!). Most people only receive 28 days holiday per year too, The big issue with the public sector is that they are so out of touch with the world of trade and commerce, they are being carried by a great system which protects them from the reality of life outside this system. Floppy backed
  • Score: 8

1:46pm Mon 14 Jul 14

jimmysmith says...

gwely wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all.

I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime.

Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break!
Why do we continually bash teachers. They are there to do a job to give your children the best start in life. For some children, something they would not have if they relied on their parents. I'm totally supportive of my school. My son is very proud of his 100% attendance at school and that is also demonstrated in his school report. As far as I am concerned, I giving him the best start in life with professionally trained people to support him through his school life along with what we do at home. That's more important to me as a parent, than a holiday in the sun at a fraction of the cost.
Does he take a fresh apple in every day for teacher ?. we are all as parents wanting the best for our children ,dont assume your doing any better of a job than the rest of us .my son in law is a teacher in aylestone school in hereford and all my children did very well at school But they had regular holidays when it suited us as parents to get time of work together .my children all look back and remember our holidays together and enjoyed traveling to different countries and seeing different cultures etc ( very educational ) yours wont have any of those experiences or memories .just his old school reports with his 100 per cent attendance .poor little johnny
[quote][p][bold]gwely[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all. I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime. Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break![/p][/quote]Why do we continually bash teachers. They are there to do a job to give your children the best start in life. For some children, something they would not have if they relied on their parents. I'm totally supportive of my school. My son is very proud of his 100% attendance at school and that is also demonstrated in his school report. As far as I am concerned, I giving him the best start in life with professionally trained people to support him through his school life along with what we do at home. That's more important to me as a parent, than a holiday in the sun at a fraction of the cost.[/p][/quote]Does he take a fresh apple in every day for teacher ?. we are all as parents wanting the best for our children ,dont assume your doing any better of a job than the rest of us .my son in law is a teacher in aylestone school in hereford and all my children did very well at school But they had regular holidays when it suited us as parents to get time of work together .my children all look back and remember our holidays together and enjoyed traveling to different countries and seeing different cultures etc ( very educational ) yours wont have any of those experiences or memories .just his old school reports with his 100 per cent attendance .poor little johnny jimmysmith
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2:48pm Mon 14 Jul 14

-trigg- says...

A child's education is obviously very important.

However, would it not be fair to say that 2 weeks immersed in a foreign culture would be highly educational for those children - perhaps visiting the ruins of Ancient Greece or the pyramids of Egypt as part of a family holiday

Such an experience would be far better for children's intellectual development than 2 weeks stuck in a caravan in the Welsh countryside which is all many can afford.
A child's education is obviously very important. However, would it not be fair to say that 2 weeks immersed in a foreign culture would be highly educational for those children - perhaps visiting the ruins of Ancient Greece or the pyramids of Egypt as part of a family holiday Such an experience would be far better for children's intellectual development than 2 weeks stuck in a caravan in the Welsh countryside which is all many can afford. -trigg-
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3:18pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Crossbenchtory says...

jimmysmith wrote:
gwely wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all.

I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime.

Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break!
Why do we continually bash teachers. They are there to do a job to give your children the best start in life. For some children, something they would not have if they relied on their parents. I'm totally supportive of my school. My son is very proud of his 100% attendance at school and that is also demonstrated in his school report. As far as I am concerned, I giving him the best start in life with professionally trained people to support him through his school life along with what we do at home. That's more important to me as a parent, than a holiday in the sun at a fraction of the cost.
Does he take a fresh apple in every day for teacher ?. we are all as parents wanting the best for our children ,dont assume your doing any better of a job than the rest of us .my son in law is a teacher in aylestone school in hereford and all my children did very well at school But they had regular holidays when it suited us as parents to get time of work together .my children all look back and remember our holidays together and enjoyed traveling to different countries and seeing different cultures etc ( very educational ) yours wont have any of those experiences or memories .just his old school reports with his 100 per cent attendance .poor little johnny
Being an academic I can say, quite honestly, the general standard of undergraduate students has declined this century. There are individuals arriving at university almost completely unable to construct a coherent written (or in some cases verbal) sentence. Spelling and grammar are almost non existent and yet they have contrived to attain enough A Levels for entry to university.

In view of this I would suggest that a few days or weeks off, for family holidays, each year isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to these children's chances in life. In some cases it may even increase their academic chances by exposing them to something a little different which inspires interest, all depends upon the type of holiday (a week in Rome or Ypres vs a week at Butlins).

I would also, given the generally appalling grasp of the basics amongst first year undergraduates, suggest that all the teachers on this thread, trying to convince us that without their daily input the children in their charge will be reduced to lifelong intellectual retardation, take a very long hard look in the mirror. The education system is failing, particularly here in Wales, and you as part of that system should really be doing all you can to improve that system not striking because you can't get the pay rise you want, and remember I know how much teachers get paid and trust me, you're doing very we'll compared to the families of a lot of the children you "teach".
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gwely[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all. I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime. Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break![/p][/quote]Why do we continually bash teachers. They are there to do a job to give your children the best start in life. For some children, something they would not have if they relied on their parents. I'm totally supportive of my school. My son is very proud of his 100% attendance at school and that is also demonstrated in his school report. As far as I am concerned, I giving him the best start in life with professionally trained people to support him through his school life along with what we do at home. That's more important to me as a parent, than a holiday in the sun at a fraction of the cost.[/p][/quote]Does he take a fresh apple in every day for teacher ?. we are all as parents wanting the best for our children ,dont assume your doing any better of a job than the rest of us .my son in law is a teacher in aylestone school in hereford and all my children did very well at school But they had regular holidays when it suited us as parents to get time of work together .my children all look back and remember our holidays together and enjoyed traveling to different countries and seeing different cultures etc ( very educational ) yours wont have any of those experiences or memories .just his old school reports with his 100 per cent attendance .poor little johnny[/p][/quote]Being an academic I can say, quite honestly, the general standard of undergraduate students has declined this century. There are individuals arriving at university almost completely unable to construct a coherent written (or in some cases verbal) sentence. Spelling and grammar are almost non existent and yet they have contrived to attain enough A Levels for entry to university. In view of this I would suggest that a few days or weeks off, for family holidays, each year isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to these children's chances in life. In some cases it may even increase their academic chances by exposing them to something a little different which inspires interest, all depends upon the type of holiday (a week in Rome or Ypres vs a week at Butlins). I would also, given the generally appalling grasp of the basics amongst first year undergraduates, suggest that all the teachers on this thread, trying to convince us that without their daily input the children in their charge will be reduced to lifelong intellectual retardation, take a very long hard look in the mirror. The education system is failing, particularly here in Wales, and you as part of that system should really be doing all you can to improve that system not striking because you can't get the pay rise you want, and remember I know how much teachers get paid and trust me, you're doing very we'll compared to the families of a lot of the children you "teach". Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 0

3:22pm Mon 14 Jul 14

smiffy76 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
Sorry but the inflation of prices is market forces and the holiday companies making hay whist the sun shines.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]Sorry but the inflation of prices is market forces and the holiday companies making hay whist the sun shines. smiffy76
  • Score: 0

3:34pm Mon 14 Jul 14

smiffy76 says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???
Any employer who doesn't allow parents a holiday during term time is a disgrace. I realise some employers don't care that they are. It would be unreasonable for a head to refuse you in that case.
Not fully sure but I think this is going to be converted by done of the new family friendly laws imposed by government.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]I work for a living , and I need a break, my employer does a holiday rota which is not negotiable, or flexiable are you seriously sugggesting that not be allowed a holiday ? My Childrens Educations is important of course, but I work hard - why the hell shouldnt I have a break ???[/p][/quote]Any employer who doesn't allow parents a holiday during term time is a disgrace. I realise some employers don't care that they are. It would be unreasonable for a head to refuse you in that case.[/p][/quote]Not fully sure but I think this is going to be converted by done of the new family friendly laws imposed by government. smiffy76
  • Score: 0

3:51pm Mon 14 Jul 14

endthelies says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all.

I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime.

Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break!
I'm fairly sure you could fit your "Training Days" into the ridiculously large number of holidays you get off each year!!!
Who do you think orders the Teacher Training days? The Teachers? Its the government. They are also the ones who provide the National Curriculum which all schools HAVE to adhere to. You cannot just teach whatever you like, you have to teach what the government tell you to teach. Why do you think all pupils have the same exam papers at gcse level. Its because there is a standard teaching. If anyone wants to complain about the teacher training days, and the education system (and I have to agree that I think the curriculum is outdated and needs a complete overhaul) tell the government, not the teachers. Don't shoot the messengers. Having said that, I don't think that a family holiday taken in term time is any major disruption to a child's education (unless that child misses school frequently besides this). Lots of families could not afford holidays in the summer term and I think holidays with family are an important thing for children and parents alike.
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all. I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime. Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break![/p][/quote]I'm fairly sure you could fit your "Training Days" into the ridiculously large number of holidays you get off each year!!![/p][/quote]Who do you think orders the Teacher Training days? The Teachers? Its the government. They are also the ones who provide the National Curriculum which all schools HAVE to adhere to. You cannot just teach whatever you like, you have to teach what the government tell you to teach. Why do you think all pupils have the same exam papers at gcse level. Its because there is a standard teaching. If anyone wants to complain about the teacher training days, and the education system (and I have to agree that I think the curriculum is outdated and needs a complete overhaul) tell the government, not the teachers. Don't shoot the messengers. Having said that, I don't think that a family holiday taken in term time is any major disruption to a child's education (unless that child misses school frequently besides this). Lots of families could not afford holidays in the summer term and I think holidays with family are an important thing for children and parents alike. endthelies
  • Score: 9

4:03pm Mon 14 Jul 14

smiffy76 says...

The issue is a difficult one. The holiday companies will put up prices in school holidays because of market forces and that people will pay. Currently you can spot the school vholidays by looking at the price list in the back of the brochure.
There is an argument that schools should have some flexibility in there holidays (on a district by district basis) to extend the holiday season lower the price spike.

Perhaps cutting 2 weeks off the school holidays and giving the time as flexible holidays would work but cost a lot.

Personally I book my leave as soon as I can. I know a few tricks to avoid the worst of the price spike.
The issue is a difficult one. The holiday companies will put up prices in school holidays because of market forces and that people will pay. Currently you can spot the school vholidays by looking at the price list in the back of the brochure. There is an argument that schools should have some flexibility in there holidays (on a district by district basis) to extend the holiday season lower the price spike. Perhaps cutting 2 weeks off the school holidays and giving the time as flexible holidays would work but cost a lot. Personally I book my leave as soon as I can. I know a few tricks to avoid the worst of the price spike. smiffy76
  • Score: 3

4:14pm Mon 14 Jul 14

smiffy76 says...

As a thought if you tacked all the teacher training days into one lump you would have an extra week that would move and be different to other schools. Now if the high school and feeder primaries took the same week that could mean a week when prices are lower for families (excluding teachers sorry) it would also be a week when there is more chance of an employer getting his staff off with they're kids as different staff will have a better chance of kids being in different schools answering to different LEAs
As a thought if you tacked all the teacher training days into one lump you would have an extra week that would move and be different to other schools. Now if the high school and feeder primaries took the same week that could mean a week when prices are lower for families (excluding teachers sorry) it would also be a week when there is more chance of an employer getting his staff off with they're kids as different staff will have a better chance of kids being in different schools answering to different LEAs smiffy76
  • Score: 4

5:13pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Mwy Eira says...

I think this is entirely reasonable. The fine comes in to after 5 school days are missed and more lenient than in other areas. A week once a year the children can catch up but any longer than that I fail to see how any parent can say it won't be damaging the child's education. A week is a good balance. As for a caravan holiday in the UK costing more than 1K , I have booked for a week in August in a caravan in Cornwall with plenty of facilities for the kids costing half that. No it hasn't got club house or entertainers to off load my kids on to, but it's got a beach, pool, play area, small animals and cycle hire. It's not one owned by a big chain and gets much better reviews too!
I think this is entirely reasonable. The fine comes in to after 5 school days are missed and more lenient than in other areas. A week once a year the children can catch up but any longer than that I fail to see how any parent can say it won't be damaging the child's education. A week is a good balance. As for a caravan holiday in the UK costing more than 1K , I have booked for a week in August in a caravan in Cornwall with plenty of facilities for the kids costing half that. No it hasn't got club house or entertainers to off load my kids on to, but it's got a beach, pool, play area, small animals and cycle hire. It's not one owned by a big chain and gets much better reviews too! Mwy Eira
  • Score: 3

6:39pm Mon 14 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

This Education Penalty Notices Wales 2013 is on the back of truancy laws which came in with the Anti Social Behaviour Act in 2003. Reading the statutes tells me that it is primarily used to fine parents whose children do not regularly attend school. I can find no mention of holidays and sick days. It seems to me that this was originally set up to combat parents who thought school was a waste of time for the children. Not for hard working law abiding adults who try and take their kids on a family holiday. It really sounds to me that this was never supposed to be used for holidays in term time but it looks like the WAG is pushing that way. And reading the notices explains that all monies earned through fines should be used to fund the penalty system. Any excess money after this should be given to the WAG. Another money spinner of Carwyn is it? 9 and a half months to the time when we choose again who hands down laws like this.
This Education Penalty Notices Wales 2013 is on the back of truancy laws which came in with the Anti Social Behaviour Act in 2003. Reading the statutes tells me that it is primarily used to fine parents whose children do not regularly attend school. I can find no mention of holidays and sick days. It seems to me that this was originally set up to combat parents who thought school was a waste of time for the children. Not for hard working law abiding adults who try and take their kids on a family holiday. It really sounds to me that this was never supposed to be used for holidays in term time but it looks like the WAG is pushing that way. And reading the notices explains that all monies earned through fines should be used to fund the penalty system. Any excess money after this should be given to the WAG. Another money spinner of Carwyn is it? 9 and a half months to the time when we choose again who hands down laws like this. landyman3030
  • Score: 7

6:59pm Mon 14 Jul 14

-trigg- says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
gwely wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all.

I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime.

Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break!
Why do we continually bash teachers. They are there to do a job to give your children the best start in life. For some children, something they would not have if they relied on their parents. I'm totally supportive of my school. My son is very proud of his 100% attendance at school and that is also demonstrated in his school report. As far as I am concerned, I giving him the best start in life with professionally trained people to support him through his school life along with what we do at home. That's more important to me as a parent, than a holiday in the sun at a fraction of the cost.
Does he take a fresh apple in every day for teacher ?. we are all as parents wanting the best for our children ,dont assume your doing any better of a job than the rest of us .my son in law is a teacher in aylestone school in hereford and all my children did very well at school But they had regular holidays when it suited us as parents to get time of work together .my children all look back and remember our holidays together and enjoyed traveling to different countries and seeing different cultures etc ( very educational ) yours wont have any of those experiences or memories .just his old school reports with his 100 per cent attendance .poor little johnny
Being an academic I can say, quite honestly, the general standard of undergraduate students has declined this century. There are individuals arriving at university almost completely unable to construct a coherent written (or in some cases verbal) sentence. Spelling and grammar are almost non existent and yet they have contrived to attain enough A Levels for entry to university.

In view of this I would suggest that a few days or weeks off, for family holidays, each year isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to these children's chances in life. In some cases it may even increase their academic chances by exposing them to something a little different which inspires interest, all depends upon the type of holiday (a week in Rome or Ypres vs a week at Butlins).

I would also, given the generally appalling grasp of the basics amongst first year undergraduates, suggest that all the teachers on this thread, trying to convince us that without their daily input the children in their charge will be reduced to lifelong intellectual retardation, take a very long hard look in the mirror. The education system is failing, particularly here in Wales, and you as part of that system should really be doing all you can to improve that system not striking because you can't get the pay rise you want, and remember I know how much teachers get paid and trust me, you're doing very we'll compared to the families of a lot of the children you "teach".
I would suggest the quality of students attending university owes a large part to the Labour-driven aim of getting 50% of school leavers into university. This was achieved by accepting people onto sub-standard courses, regardless of their actual ability.
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gwely[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all. I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime. Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break![/p][/quote]Why do we continually bash teachers. They are there to do a job to give your children the best start in life. For some children, something they would not have if they relied on their parents. I'm totally supportive of my school. My son is very proud of his 100% attendance at school and that is also demonstrated in his school report. As far as I am concerned, I giving him the best start in life with professionally trained people to support him through his school life along with what we do at home. That's more important to me as a parent, than a holiday in the sun at a fraction of the cost.[/p][/quote]Does he take a fresh apple in every day for teacher ?. we are all as parents wanting the best for our children ,dont assume your doing any better of a job than the rest of us .my son in law is a teacher in aylestone school in hereford and all my children did very well at school But they had regular holidays when it suited us as parents to get time of work together .my children all look back and remember our holidays together and enjoyed traveling to different countries and seeing different cultures etc ( very educational ) yours wont have any of those experiences or memories .just his old school reports with his 100 per cent attendance .poor little johnny[/p][/quote]Being an academic I can say, quite honestly, the general standard of undergraduate students has declined this century. There are individuals arriving at university almost completely unable to construct a coherent written (or in some cases verbal) sentence. Spelling and grammar are almost non existent and yet they have contrived to attain enough A Levels for entry to university. In view of this I would suggest that a few days or weeks off, for family holidays, each year isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to these children's chances in life. In some cases it may even increase their academic chances by exposing them to something a little different which inspires interest, all depends upon the type of holiday (a week in Rome or Ypres vs a week at Butlins). I would also, given the generally appalling grasp of the basics amongst first year undergraduates, suggest that all the teachers on this thread, trying to convince us that without their daily input the children in their charge will be reduced to lifelong intellectual retardation, take a very long hard look in the mirror. The education system is failing, particularly here in Wales, and you as part of that system should really be doing all you can to improve that system not striking because you can't get the pay rise you want, and remember I know how much teachers get paid and trust me, you're doing very we'll compared to the families of a lot of the children you "teach".[/p][/quote]I would suggest the quality of students attending university owes a large part to the Labour-driven aim of getting 50% of school leavers into university. This was achieved by accepting people onto sub-standard courses, regardless of their actual ability. -trigg-
  • Score: 2

8:13pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

anigel wrote:
This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.
Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.[/p][/quote]Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid. Teacher1977
  • Score: 2

8:14pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

gwely wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all.

I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime.

Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break!
Why do we continually bash teachers. They are there to do a job to give your children the best start in life. For some children, something they would not have if they relied on their parents. I'm totally supportive of my school. My son is very proud of his 100% attendance at school and that is also demonstrated in his school report. As far as I am concerned, I giving him the best start in life with professionally trained people to support him through his school life along with what we do at home. That's more important to me as a parent, than a holiday in the sun at a fraction of the cost.
I want to teach your kids ;)
[quote][p][bold]gwely[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: Let's remember that it is local authorities who are imposing these fines, not head teachers and certainly not teachers. I don't believe that imposing fines is going to help at all. I completely agree that something needs to be done about how holiday companies inflate prices, but governments have been talking about this and not doing very much for the last 20 years or so. I'd be amazed if this ever happens in my lifetime. Regarding teacher training; would you want your child taught by teachers who are not continually undergoing professional training in new developments? Teaching is like no other job. Our roles and responsibilities continually change like in ion other job. Give us a break![/p][/quote]Why do we continually bash teachers. They are there to do a job to give your children the best start in life. For some children, something they would not have if they relied on their parents. I'm totally supportive of my school. My son is very proud of his 100% attendance at school and that is also demonstrated in his school report. As far as I am concerned, I giving him the best start in life with professionally trained people to support him through his school life along with what we do at home. That's more important to me as a parent, than a holiday in the sun at a fraction of the cost.[/p][/quote]I want to teach your kids ;) Teacher1977
  • Score: 2

8:16pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

inkyskin wrote:
October is the only time myself and my partner have been able to book time off from work, so we have no choice but to take the kids out to go on holiday, both my kids have over 98% attendance while other kids barely turn up, I'm going to do it properly and request time out for them and also explain that not everyone has a 9-5 job, my job is 24/7 - 365 days a year as is my partners. So fingers crossed that they'll give permission to go, but to be honest, we'll be going anyway and i'll pay the fine when i come back!
Schools have been instructed not to authorise any holidays at all, no matter the circumstances.
[quote][p][bold]inkyskin[/bold] wrote: October is the only time myself and my partner have been able to book time off from work, so we have no choice but to take the kids out to go on holiday, both my kids have over 98% attendance while other kids barely turn up, I'm going to do it properly and request time out for them and also explain that not everyone has a 9-5 job, my job is 24/7 - 365 days a year as is my partners. So fingers crossed that they'll give permission to go, but to be honest, we'll be going anyway and i'll pay the fine when i come back![/p][/quote]Schools have been instructed not to authorise any holidays at all, no matter the circumstances. Teacher1977
  • Score: 1

8:18pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Crossbenchtory says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
anigel wrote:
This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.
Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.
Judging by your misuse of punctuation the children you "teach" are probably better off, academically, with you on strike.
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.[/p][/quote]Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.[/p][/quote]Judging by your misuse of punctuation the children you "teach" are probably better off, academically, with you on strike. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 1

8:38pm Mon 14 Jul 14

pbhj says...

westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children,


According to statute the person responsible for ensuring your child has a sufficient education is you, the parent. It's Section 7 of The Education Act 1996 (as amended).

Moreover that education should be "by regular attendance at school or otherwise".

Holidays with family are important for the education of a child, denying them conflicts with the parent's ability to fulfil their duties as being primarily responsible for their children being educated.

Childhood isn't solely about preparing children for being adults. Children have a right to enjoy their childhood too and family holidays is part of that. Yes, if children are failing in their education through poor attendance then step in, but assuming the best place for all education is in school is plain wrong.

It is not attendance that needs punishing, attendance will do nothing for anyone, it is failure to ensure a child is being educated that should be punished. That goes for schools too.
[quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote][quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, [...] [/quote] According to statute the person responsible for ensuring your child has a sufficient education is you, the parent. It's Section 7 of The Education Act 1996 (as amended). Moreover that education should be "by regular attendance at school or otherwise". Holidays with family are important for the education of a child, denying them conflicts with the parent's ability to fulfil their duties as being primarily responsible for their children being educated. Childhood isn't solely about preparing children for being adults. Children have a right to enjoy their childhood too and family holidays is part of that. Yes, if children are failing in their education through poor attendance then step in, but assuming the best place for all education is in school is plain wrong. It is not attendance that needs punishing, attendance will do nothing for anyone, it is failure to ensure a child is being educated that should be punished. That goes for schools too. pbhj
  • Score: 3

8:43pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
anigel wrote:
This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.
Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.
Judging by your misuse of punctuation the children you "teach" are probably better off, academically, with you on strike.
As it happens I've never gone on strike. And I am a consistently 'outstanding' teacher. So be quiet.
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.[/p][/quote]Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.[/p][/quote]Judging by your misuse of punctuation the children you "teach" are probably better off, academically, with you on strike.[/p][/quote]As it happens I've never gone on strike. And I am a consistently 'outstanding' teacher. So be quiet. Teacher1977
  • Score: -3

9:01pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Crossbenchtory says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
Crossbenchtory wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
anigel wrote:
This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.
Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.
Judging by your misuse of punctuation the children you "teach" are probably better off, academically, with you on strike.
As it happens I've never gone on strike. And I am a consistently 'outstanding' teacher. So be quiet.
If your punctuation skills are any indication then whosoever decides which teachers are rated "outstanding" must have an entirely unique interpretation of "outstanding".

Or you might just be telling fibs, I don't know which.
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.[/p][/quote]Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.[/p][/quote]Judging by your misuse of punctuation the children you "teach" are probably better off, academically, with you on strike.[/p][/quote]As it happens I've never gone on strike. And I am a consistently 'outstanding' teacher. So be quiet.[/p][/quote]If your punctuation skills are any indication then whosoever decides which teachers are rated "outstanding" must have an entirely unique interpretation of "outstanding". Or you might just be telling fibs, I don't know which. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: -1

9:16pm Mon 14 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
inkyskin wrote:
October is the only time myself and my partner have been able to book time off from work, so we have no choice but to take the kids out to go on holiday, both my kids have over 98% attendance while other kids barely turn up, I'm going to do it properly and request time out for them and also explain that not everyone has a 9-5 job, my job is 24/7 - 365 days a year as is my partners. So fingers crossed that they'll give permission to go, but to be honest, we'll be going anyway and i'll pay the fine when i come back!
Schools have been instructed not to authorise any holidays at all, no matter the circumstances.
Instructed when and by who. The LEA? The WAG? Let us now please.
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inkyskin[/bold] wrote: October is the only time myself and my partner have been able to book time off from work, so we have no choice but to take the kids out to go on holiday, both my kids have over 98% attendance while other kids barely turn up, I'm going to do it properly and request time out for them and also explain that not everyone has a 9-5 job, my job is 24/7 - 365 days a year as is my partners. So fingers crossed that they'll give permission to go, but to be honest, we'll be going anyway and i'll pay the fine when i come back![/p][/quote]Schools have been instructed not to authorise any holidays at all, no matter the circumstances.[/p][/quote]Instructed when and by who. The LEA? The WAG? Let us now please. landyman3030
  • Score: 7

9:44pm Mon 14 Jul 14

CeeJayAch86 says...

This whole thing annoys me... Rather than target everyone - why not target the repeat offenders who's children have a consistent poor attendance, rather than begrudge the child the opportunity to learn during travel? I for one cannot afford to pay holiday prices outside of term, nor can my other half book time off as and when, his holidays are assigned to him. I would pay that £60 fine over the extra £300-500 for a holiday over summer. As long as it doesn't affect any upcoming exams, what the hell is the issue?? The whole thing is a joke. And if they think it will make any impact... I fail to see if.
This whole thing annoys me... Rather than target everyone - why not target the repeat offenders who's children have a consistent poor attendance, rather than begrudge the child the opportunity to learn during travel? I for one cannot afford to pay holiday prices outside of term, nor can my other half book time off as and when, his holidays are assigned to him. I would pay that £60 fine over the extra £300-500 for a holiday over summer. As long as it doesn't affect any upcoming exams, what the hell is the issue?? The whole thing is a joke. And if they think it will make any impact... I fail to see if. CeeJayAch86
  • Score: 9

10:53pm Mon 14 Jul 14

MikeO4O8 says...

westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
it all depends on the circumstances, if they have any tests that week or anything then education 1st, but if its any normal day then the holiday is more important to me.
as i pointed out a while ago, even a holiday in another country IS EDUCATIONAL as it teaches them different currencies, how other country's are different from our own, new languages ect.

wouldn't it be a nice educational experience for a child to go to France when they are studying french? or Spain when studying Spanish?

even when schools go for days out to a museum or to Alton towers or something, this is still educational in a way as kids get given spending money, they get to learn to manage their own money, they get to interact with other kids from their school and perhaps even become friends by doing this, where as if they was in school, they will be sat in a class and not being able to interact as much without getting told off.

as teacher1977 pointed out its NOT the teachers it is local authorities, so please don't be blaming the teachers over this.
if teachers dont agree with this why dont you just go on strike about it.


I THINK that in the future i will just say my child is off sick for the week, if my child talks about it in school, then so what, just play the dumb game (act you dont know anything about it) THEY HAVE TO PROVE i was away before the can just start handing out fines, it will just be a case of 1 persons word against another.


I HAVE NOT looked in to this yet but i do believe you child does NOT have to attend school if he/she is being educated form home, if this is the case then their fines can not be handed out as like i pointed out above a holiday is educational.
[quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]it all depends on the circumstances, if they have any tests that week or anything then education 1st, but if its any normal day then the holiday is more important to me. as i pointed out a while ago, even a holiday in another country IS EDUCATIONAL as it teaches them different currencies, how other country's are different from our own, new languages ect. wouldn't it be a nice educational experience for a child to go to France when they are studying french? or Spain when studying Spanish? even when schools go for days out to a museum or to Alton towers or something, this is still educational in a way as kids get given spending money, they get to learn to manage their own money, they get to interact with other kids from their school and perhaps even become friends by doing this, where as if they was in school, they will be sat in a class and not being able to interact as much without getting told off. as teacher1977 pointed out its NOT the teachers it is local authorities, so please don't be blaming the teachers over this. if teachers dont agree with this why dont you just go on strike about it. I THINK that in the future i will just say my child is off sick for the week, if my child talks about it in school, then so what, just play the dumb game (act you dont know anything about it) THEY HAVE TO PROVE i was away before the can just start handing out fines, it will just be a case of 1 persons word against another. I HAVE NOT looked in to this yet but i do believe you child does NOT have to attend school if he/she is being educated form home, if this is the case then their fines can not be handed out as like i pointed out above a holiday is educational. MikeO4O8
  • Score: 2

11:03pm Mon 14 Jul 14

haggy says...

westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
i work thought the school holidays some times we don't get a break for 2 -3yrs i have children that live abroad if i get fined i will home school my children and before any one moans i have 6 children 2 home schooled 4 in school all the older children have gone though uni with degree,s inc the 2 home schooled travel is an education when we go away we learn about different cultures we do not just sit on the beech to travel in the holidays to our next trip in school holidays it cost £956 each in sept it cost £249
[quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]i work thought the school holidays some times we don't get a break for 2 -3yrs i have children that live abroad if i get fined i will home school my children and before any one moans i have 6 children 2 home schooled 4 in school all the older children have gone though uni with degree,s inc the 2 home schooled travel is an education when we go away we learn about different cultures we do not just sit on the beech to travel in the holidays to our next trip in school holidays it cost £956 each in sept it cost £249 haggy
  • Score: 4

11:08pm Mon 14 Jul 14

MikeO4O8 says...

hamiltonman85 wrote:
In most cases a school will grant permission for holidays in reasonable circumstances. For example, a fortnight holiday once a year, maybe a couple of single weeks. However, they would understandably refuse if parents were going away a few times a year, missing large chunks of school time. Besides, these fines would only ever be issued to parents who hold no regard for their children's attendance, bot the parents missing odd days.
but this is NOT pointed out is it??

they are simply saying if your child misses school for or you go on holiday you will be fined.

i will be totally agree with these fines you was a allowed like 2 weeks holiday a year for your child as Most workers who work a 5 days week must receive 28 days’ paid annual leave per year (1 month) so 2 weeks a year on holiday as a family don't seem to bad and the other 2 weeks a worker gets off can be for days out as a family during the weekend or something.

i will most likely do these £9:99 holiday form ''the sun'' newspaper and do that from Friday till Monday (child only misses 2 days then and you have had 4 days holiday)

but if they are saying parents are not allowed to take their kids away at all without being fined then i am AGAINST these fines

if you are allowed so much time off a year then i would not want it to be with the head teachers permission (unless they have any tests that week)
[quote][p][bold]hamiltonman85[/bold] wrote: In most cases a school will grant permission for holidays in reasonable circumstances. For example, a fortnight holiday once a year, maybe a couple of single weeks. However, they would understandably refuse if parents were going away a few times a year, missing large chunks of school time. Besides, these fines would only ever be issued to parents who hold no regard for their children's attendance, bot the parents missing odd days.[/p][/quote]but this is NOT pointed out is it?? they are simply saying if your child misses school for or you go on holiday you will be fined. i will be totally agree with these fines you was a allowed like 2 weeks holiday a year for your child as Most workers who work a 5 days week must receive 28 days’ paid annual leave per year (1 month) so 2 weeks a year on holiday as a family don't seem to bad and the other 2 weeks a worker gets off can be for days out as a family during the weekend or something. i will most likely do these £9:99 holiday form ''the sun'' newspaper and do that from Friday till Monday (child only misses 2 days then and you have had 4 days holiday) but if they are saying parents are not allowed to take their kids away at all without being fined then i am AGAINST these fines if you are allowed so much time off a year then i would not want it to be with the head teachers permission (unless they have any tests that week) MikeO4O8
  • Score: 2

11:14pm Mon 14 Jul 14

MikeO4O8 says...

Mr Miffed wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
'How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?'

Well (a) holiday companies don't have a monopoly. You can book your own hotel and fly with a budget airline and (b) when did you last sell something for below its market value?
i sell this below its market value every Sunday on a car boot sale, but whats that got to do with getting holiday companies to NOT triple their prices??
[quote][p][bold]Mr Miffed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]'How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?' Well (a) holiday companies don't have a monopoly. You can book your own hotel and fly with a budget airline and (b) when did you last sell something for below its market value?[/p][/quote]i sell this below its market value every Sunday on a car boot sale, but whats that got to do with getting holiday companies to NOT triple their prices?? MikeO4O8
  • Score: 0

11:33pm Mon 14 Jul 14

MikeO4O8 says...

so i get up in the morning and get a child to school (if he/she does not use a taxi), i take them to school (embarrassing for them no doubt which WILL most likely lead to BULLYING) i make sure they get in the school then i drive off to work, only to receive a fine in the post due to none attendance of my child??

what more would they have liked me to do?? i made sure my child got in to the school building, WHEN I AM IN WORK how am i supposed to be able to keep an eye on my child?? i very much doubt the school will phone, but even if they do there is not much i can do without a possible DISCIPLINARY warning is there? my employer would just see it as me WALKING OUT of work.

would would suggest punishing the children, for example giving them community service, but my 1st thought is most of these kids are already on that and wont make much of a difference, you cant always blame the parents (you may have been able to a while ago) but now all it takes is for a child to get in with the wrong crowd and there is pretty much NOTHING a parent can do now a days, you used to be able to punish them by slapping their legs but even now that is assault, where i used to live 1 mother was arrested for locking her child in his room and removing his computer and music as she grounded him (he was locked in the room as he was being violent to his mum and pushing he rover to get out), not sure what the charge was but the child was taken off her for a while (might have been more to in from past situations i don't know) but how are you supposed to discipline your child if everything (apart form talking) is against the law??
so i get up in the morning and get a child to school (if he/she does not use a taxi), i take them to school (embarrassing for them no doubt which WILL most likely lead to BULLYING) i make sure they get in the school then i drive off to work, only to receive a fine in the post due to none attendance of my child?? what more would they have liked me to do?? i made sure my child got in to the school building, WHEN I AM IN WORK how am i supposed to be able to keep an eye on my child?? i very much doubt the school will phone, but even if they do there is not much i can do without a possible DISCIPLINARY warning is there? my employer would just see it as me WALKING OUT of work. would would suggest punishing the children, for example giving them community service, but my 1st thought is most of these kids are already on that and wont make much of a difference, you cant always blame the parents (you may have been able to a while ago) but now all it takes is for a child to get in with the wrong crowd and there is pretty much NOTHING a parent can do now a days, you used to be able to punish them by slapping their legs but even now that is assault, where i used to live 1 mother was arrested for locking her child in his room and removing his computer and music as she grounded him (he was locked in the room as he was being violent to his mum and pushing he rover to get out), not sure what the charge was but the child was taken off her for a while (might have been more to in from past situations i don't know) but how are you supposed to discipline your child if everything (apart form talking) is against the law?? MikeO4O8
  • Score: 1

5:33am Tue 15 Jul 14

Jkke16 says...

MikeO4O8 wrote:
hamiltonman85 wrote:
In most cases a school will grant permission for holidays in reasonable circumstances. For example, a fortnight holiday once a year, maybe a couple of single weeks. However, they would understandably refuse if parents were going away a few times a year, missing large chunks of school time. Besides, these fines would only ever be issued to parents who hold no regard for their children's attendance, bot the parents missing odd days.
but this is NOT pointed out is it??

they are simply saying if your child misses school for or you go on holiday you will be fined.

i will be totally agree with these fines you was a allowed like 2 weeks holiday a year for your child as Most workers who work a 5 days week must receive 28 days’ paid annual leave per year (1 month) so 2 weeks a year on holiday as a family don't seem to bad and the other 2 weeks a worker gets off can be for days out as a family during the weekend or something.

i will most likely do these £9:99 holiday form ''the sun'' newspaper and do that from Friday till Monday (child only misses 2 days then and you have had 4 days holiday)

but if they are saying parents are not allowed to take their kids away at all without being fined then i am AGAINST these fines

if you are allowed so much time off a year then i would not want it to be with the head teachers permission (unless they have any tests that week)
Sadly Local Authorities have instructed Head Teachers not to authorise any holidays since Jan 2014. Previously Head Teachers could authorise up to 10 days holiday entitlement for pupils a year.
All of these instructions come from LA'S and Welsh Government. We, school leaders, have no say in the matter however we get it in the neck from parents because we are the ones forced to sign a form saying holiday request is denied.
[quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hamiltonman85[/bold] wrote: In most cases a school will grant permission for holidays in reasonable circumstances. For example, a fortnight holiday once a year, maybe a couple of single weeks. However, they would understandably refuse if parents were going away a few times a year, missing large chunks of school time. Besides, these fines would only ever be issued to parents who hold no regard for their children's attendance, bot the parents missing odd days.[/p][/quote]but this is NOT pointed out is it?? they are simply saying if your child misses school for or you go on holiday you will be fined. i will be totally agree with these fines you was a allowed like 2 weeks holiday a year for your child as Most workers who work a 5 days week must receive 28 days’ paid annual leave per year (1 month) so 2 weeks a year on holiday as a family don't seem to bad and the other 2 weeks a worker gets off can be for days out as a family during the weekend or something. i will most likely do these £9:99 holiday form ''the sun'' newspaper and do that from Friday till Monday (child only misses 2 days then and you have had 4 days holiday) but if they are saying parents are not allowed to take their kids away at all without being fined then i am AGAINST these fines if you are allowed so much time off a year then i would not want it to be with the head teachers permission (unless they have any tests that week)[/p][/quote]Sadly Local Authorities have instructed Head Teachers not to authorise any holidays since Jan 2014. Previously Head Teachers could authorise up to 10 days holiday entitlement for pupils a year. All of these instructions come from LA'S and Welsh Government. We, school leaders, have no say in the matter however we get it in the neck from parents because we are the ones forced to sign a form saying holiday request is denied. Jkke16
  • Score: 6

5:37am Tue 15 Jul 14

Jkke16 says...

MikeO4O8 wrote:
hamiltonman85 wrote:
In most cases a school will grant permission for holidays in reasonable circumstances. For example, a fortnight holiday once a year, maybe a couple of single weeks. However, they would understandably refuse if parents were going away a few times a year, missing large chunks of school time. Besides, these fines would only ever be issued to parents who hold no regard for their children's attendance, bot the parents missing odd days.
but this is NOT pointed out is it??

they are simply saying if your child misses school for or you go on holiday you will be fined.

i will be totally agree with these fines you was a allowed like 2 weeks holiday a year for your child as Most workers who work a 5 days week must receive 28 days’ paid annual leave per year (1 month) so 2 weeks a year on holiday as a family don't seem to bad and the other 2 weeks a worker gets off can be for days out as a family during the weekend or something.

i will most likely do these £9:99 holiday form ''the sun'' newspaper and do that from Friday till Monday (child only misses 2 days then and you have had 4 days holiday)

but if they are saying parents are not allowed to take their kids away at all without being fined then i am AGAINST these fines

if you are allowed so much time off a year then i would not want it to be with the head teachers permission (unless they have any tests that week)
Head Teachers are not allowed to authorise any holidays (since Jan2014). This directive from from the Local Authority (LA) which in turn came from the Welsh Government (WG).
Previously we could authorise up to 10 days holiday entitlement.
[quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hamiltonman85[/bold] wrote: In most cases a school will grant permission for holidays in reasonable circumstances. For example, a fortnight holiday once a year, maybe a couple of single weeks. However, they would understandably refuse if parents were going away a few times a year, missing large chunks of school time. Besides, these fines would only ever be issued to parents who hold no regard for their children's attendance, bot the parents missing odd days.[/p][/quote]but this is NOT pointed out is it?? they are simply saying if your child misses school for or you go on holiday you will be fined. i will be totally agree with these fines you was a allowed like 2 weeks holiday a year for your child as Most workers who work a 5 days week must receive 28 days’ paid annual leave per year (1 month) so 2 weeks a year on holiday as a family don't seem to bad and the other 2 weeks a worker gets off can be for days out as a family during the weekend or something. i will most likely do these £9:99 holiday form ''the sun'' newspaper and do that from Friday till Monday (child only misses 2 days then and you have had 4 days holiday) but if they are saying parents are not allowed to take their kids away at all without being fined then i am AGAINST these fines if you are allowed so much time off a year then i would not want it to be with the head teachers permission (unless they have any tests that week)[/p][/quote]Head Teachers are not allowed to authorise any holidays (since Jan2014). This directive from from the Local Authority (LA) which in turn came from the Welsh Government (WG). Previously we could authorise up to 10 days holiday entitlement. Jkke16
  • Score: 5

8:05am Tue 15 Jul 14

Crossbenchtory says...

MikeO4O8 wrote:
so i get up in the morning and get a child to school (if he/she does not use a taxi), i take them to school (embarrassing for them no doubt which WILL most likely lead to BULLYING) i make sure they get in the school then i drive off to work, only to receive a fine in the post due to none attendance of my child??

what more would they have liked me to do?? i made sure my child got in to the school building, WHEN I AM IN WORK how am i supposed to be able to keep an eye on my child?? i very much doubt the school will phone, but even if they do there is not much i can do without a possible DISCIPLINARY warning is there? my employer would just see it as me WALKING OUT of work.

would would suggest punishing the children, for example giving them community service, but my 1st thought is most of these kids are already on that and wont make much of a difference, you cant always blame the parents (you may have been able to a while ago) but now all it takes is for a child to get in with the wrong crowd and there is pretty much NOTHING a parent can do now a days, you used to be able to punish them by slapping their legs but even now that is assault, where i used to live 1 mother was arrested for locking her child in his room and removing his computer and music as she grounded him (he was locked in the room as he was being violent to his mum and pushing he rover to get out), not sure what the charge was but the child was taken off her for a while (might have been more to in from past situations i don't know) but how are you supposed to discipline your child if everything (apart form talking) is against the law??
Just to clarify, smacking your child is NOT assault and is NOT against the law.

The WAG did try to introduce this a couple of years ago but because Criminal Law is not devolved they were unable to do so.

As to the fines, people are correct when they say it is the WAG that has introduced these along with the regime of not allowing term time holidays. This has been done because Welsh education is in an appalling state, having been destroyed by the Socialist policies of the Labour WAG, and they thought "we need to do something, this is something, let's do it". It is nigh on impossible to get rid of poor teachers, due to socialist teaching unions, and we have the ridiculous situation in Wales whereby someone like myself, degrees in both History and Law, can teach at university level but can not teach in secondary school because, whilst I have a lot of teaching experience going back into the 1990's, I do not have a PGCE.

Socialism in action, all hail Comrade Carwyn.
[quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: so i get up in the morning and get a child to school (if he/she does not use a taxi), i take them to school (embarrassing for them no doubt which WILL most likely lead to BULLYING) i make sure they get in the school then i drive off to work, only to receive a fine in the post due to none attendance of my child?? what more would they have liked me to do?? i made sure my child got in to the school building, WHEN I AM IN WORK how am i supposed to be able to keep an eye on my child?? i very much doubt the school will phone, but even if they do there is not much i can do without a possible DISCIPLINARY warning is there? my employer would just see it as me WALKING OUT of work. would would suggest punishing the children, for example giving them community service, but my 1st thought is most of these kids are already on that and wont make much of a difference, you cant always blame the parents (you may have been able to a while ago) but now all it takes is for a child to get in with the wrong crowd and there is pretty much NOTHING a parent can do now a days, you used to be able to punish them by slapping their legs but even now that is assault, where i used to live 1 mother was arrested for locking her child in his room and removing his computer and music as she grounded him (he was locked in the room as he was being violent to his mum and pushing he rover to get out), not sure what the charge was but the child was taken off her for a while (might have been more to in from past situations i don't know) but how are you supposed to discipline your child if everything (apart form talking) is against the law??[/p][/quote]Just to clarify, smacking your child is NOT assault and is NOT against the law. The WAG did try to introduce this a couple of years ago but because Criminal Law is not devolved they were unable to do so. As to the fines, people are correct when they say it is the WAG that has introduced these along with the regime of not allowing term time holidays. This has been done because Welsh education is in an appalling state, having been destroyed by the Socialist policies of the Labour WAG, and they thought "we need to do something, this is something, let's do it". It is nigh on impossible to get rid of poor teachers, due to socialist teaching unions, and we have the ridiculous situation in Wales whereby someone like myself, degrees in both History and Law, can teach at university level but can not teach in secondary school because, whilst I have a lot of teaching experience going back into the 1990's, I do not have a PGCE. Socialism in action, all hail Comrade Carwyn. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 3

9:12am Tue 15 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

MikeO4O8 wrote:
westender wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself.
What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?
it all depends on the circumstances, if they have any tests that week or anything then education 1st, but if its any normal day then the holiday is more important to me.
as i pointed out a while ago, even a holiday in another country IS EDUCATIONAL as it teaches them different currencies, how other country's are different from our own, new languages ect.

wouldn't it be a nice educational experience for a child to go to France when they are studying french? or Spain when studying Spanish?

even when schools go for days out to a museum or to Alton towers or something, this is still educational in a way as kids get given spending money, they get to learn to manage their own money, they get to interact with other kids from their school and perhaps even become friends by doing this, where as if they was in school, they will be sat in a class and not being able to interact as much without getting told off.

as teacher1977 pointed out its NOT the teachers it is local authorities, so please don't be blaming the teachers over this.
if teachers dont agree with this why dont you just go on strike about it.


I THINK that in the future i will just say my child is off sick for the week, if my child talks about it in school, then so what, just play the dumb game (act you dont know anything about it) THEY HAVE TO PROVE i was away before the can just start handing out fines, it will just be a case of 1 persons word against another.


I HAVE NOT looked in to this yet but i do believe you child does NOT have to attend school if he/she is being educated form home, if this is the case then their fines can not be handed out as like i pointed out above a holiday is educational.
They don't have to prove you were away. They can fine you because you didn't make sure your child went to school. If there is sick involved a doctors note will be required. Or you get fined Big stick policy. Every time from Carwyn. Socialism for the workers. My arse.
[quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]The Headmaster is the person in charge of EDUCATING your child or children, he isn't telling you when to take your holidays, your employer is as you have already pointed out yourself. What is more important to you? your children's education or your holiday?[/p][/quote]it all depends on the circumstances, if they have any tests that week or anything then education 1st, but if its any normal day then the holiday is more important to me. as i pointed out a while ago, even a holiday in another country IS EDUCATIONAL as it teaches them different currencies, how other country's are different from our own, new languages ect. wouldn't it be a nice educational experience for a child to go to France when they are studying french? or Spain when studying Spanish? even when schools go for days out to a museum or to Alton towers or something, this is still educational in a way as kids get given spending money, they get to learn to manage their own money, they get to interact with other kids from their school and perhaps even become friends by doing this, where as if they was in school, they will be sat in a class and not being able to interact as much without getting told off. as teacher1977 pointed out its NOT the teachers it is local authorities, so please don't be blaming the teachers over this. if teachers dont agree with this why dont you just go on strike about it. I THINK that in the future i will just say my child is off sick for the week, if my child talks about it in school, then so what, just play the dumb game (act you dont know anything about it) THEY HAVE TO PROVE i was away before the can just start handing out fines, it will just be a case of 1 persons word against another. I HAVE NOT looked in to this yet but i do believe you child does NOT have to attend school if he/she is being educated form home, if this is the case then their fines can not be handed out as like i pointed out above a holiday is educational.[/p][/quote]They don't have to prove you were away. They can fine you because you didn't make sure your child went to school. If there is sick involved a doctors note will be required. Or you get fined Big stick policy. Every time from Carwyn. Socialism for the workers. My arse. landyman3030
  • Score: 5

1:28pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Ultimate Worrier says...

It is perfectly reasonable to take a holiday in term time if your children are not missing days elsewhere throughout the year, and they are not in exam years.

A break with the family in formative years (i.e. up to age 8 or 9) is as important as attending school. Kids learn other life skills, learn to form friendships with new people, learn about the cultures of other countries, experience travelling, try out foreign foods, foreign languages; the list goes on and on.

For government officials who earn three times my annual salary to tell me I can't take my kids on holiday at a time I can realistically afford to is not just wrong, it's bordering on social class discrimination.

I will ignore these new rules and suffer whatever consequences come my way. My children look forward to going on holiday all year long, and I'm not about to stop that happening for anybody.
It is perfectly reasonable to take a holiday in term time if your children are not missing days elsewhere throughout the year, and they are not in exam years. A break with the family in formative years (i.e. up to age 8 or 9) is as important as attending school. Kids learn other life skills, learn to form friendships with new people, learn about the cultures of other countries, experience travelling, try out foreign foods, foreign languages; the list goes on and on. For government officials who earn three times my annual salary to tell me I can't take my kids on holiday at a time I can realistically afford to is not just wrong, it's bordering on social class discrimination. I will ignore these new rules and suffer whatever consequences come my way. My children look forward to going on holiday all year long, and I'm not about to stop that happening for anybody. Ultimate Worrier
  • Score: 3

3:37pm Tue 15 Jul 14

DavidMclean says...

Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
An odd post where I find myself agreeing when you say "How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?"

However, you seem to lose the plot with "who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?"

Your two weeks holiday on the beach more important than your child's education?
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]An odd post where I find myself agreeing when you say "How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?" However, you seem to lose the plot with "who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?" Your two weeks holiday on the beach more important than your child's education? DavidMclean
  • Score: -3

7:15pm Tue 15 Jul 14

anigel says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
anigel wrote:
This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.
Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.
Why would you fine parents who take a single child, with otherwise 100% attendance out of school during term time for a once in a lifetime chance to study other cultures?

But you do, whilst taking over a week off due to strike action and deserting entire classes of children many of whom have much worse attendance and cannot afford to lose a single day of teaching.

Just to ensure there is no misunderstanding, when I say strike action, I mean attempting to extort the country and hold it to ransom to support unreasonable demands.

Typical of an "outstanding" teacher not to see the double standards and hypocrisy.
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.[/p][/quote]Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.[/p][/quote]Why would you fine parents who take a single child, with otherwise 100% attendance out of school during term time for a once in a lifetime chance to study other cultures? But you do, whilst taking over a week off due to strike action and deserting entire classes of children many of whom have much worse attendance and cannot afford to lose a single day of teaching. Just to ensure there is no misunderstanding, when I say strike action, I mean attempting to extort the country and hold it to ransom to support unreasonable demands. Typical of an "outstanding" teacher not to see the double standards and hypocrisy. anigel
  • Score: -2

8:56pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
Crossbenchtory wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
anigel wrote:
This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.
Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.
Judging by your misuse of punctuation the children you "teach" are probably better off, academically, with you on strike.
As it happens I've never gone on strike. And I am a consistently 'outstanding' teacher. So be quiet.
If your punctuation skills are any indication then whosoever decides which teachers are rated "outstanding" must have an entirely unique interpretation of "outstanding".

Or you might just be telling fibs, I don't know which.
As I said, be quiet.
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.[/p][/quote]Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.[/p][/quote]Judging by your misuse of punctuation the children you "teach" are probably better off, academically, with you on strike.[/p][/quote]As it happens I've never gone on strike. And I am a consistently 'outstanding' teacher. So be quiet.[/p][/quote]If your punctuation skills are any indication then whosoever decides which teachers are rated "outstanding" must have an entirely unique interpretation of "outstanding". Or you might just be telling fibs, I don't know which.[/p][/quote]As I said, be quiet. Teacher1977
  • Score: 2

8:58pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
inkyskin wrote:
October is the only time myself and my partner have been able to book time off from work, so we have no choice but to take the kids out to go on holiday, both my kids have over 98% attendance while other kids barely turn up, I'm going to do it properly and request time out for them and also explain that not everyone has a 9-5 job, my job is 24/7 - 365 days a year as is my partners. So fingers crossed that they'll give permission to go, but to be honest, we'll be going anyway and i'll pay the fine when i come back!
Schools have been instructed not to authorise any holidays at all, no matter the circumstances.
Instructed when and by who. The LEA? The WAG? Let us now please.
I can only speak for Cardiff schools, but we've been instructed by the LA. I would assume they in turn have been instructed by WG.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inkyskin[/bold] wrote: October is the only time myself and my partner have been able to book time off from work, so we have no choice but to take the kids out to go on holiday, both my kids have over 98% attendance while other kids barely turn up, I'm going to do it properly and request time out for them and also explain that not everyone has a 9-5 job, my job is 24/7 - 365 days a year as is my partners. So fingers crossed that they'll give permission to go, but to be honest, we'll be going anyway and i'll pay the fine when i come back![/p][/quote]Schools have been instructed not to authorise any holidays at all, no matter the circumstances.[/p][/quote]Instructed when and by who. The LEA? The WAG? Let us now please.[/p][/quote]I can only speak for Cardiff schools, but we've been instructed by the LA. I would assume they in turn have been instructed by WG. Teacher1977
  • Score: 5

9:09pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

anigel wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
anigel wrote:
This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.
Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.
Why would you fine parents who take a single child, with otherwise 100% attendance out of school during term time for a once in a lifetime chance to study other cultures?

But you do, whilst taking over a week off due to strike action and deserting entire classes of children many of whom have much worse attendance and cannot afford to lose a single day of teaching.

Just to ensure there is no misunderstanding, when I say strike action, I mean attempting to extort the country and hold it to ransom to support unreasonable demands.

Typical of an "outstanding" teacher not to see the double standards and hypocrisy.
What absolute nonsense. As I stated above I did not strike and therefore did not 'desert entire classes'. You'll find that a few small percentage of teachers actually voted in favour of strike action.

How can you justify saying that it's typical of a outstanding teacher not to see double standards? I'd ask you not to be so narrow minded and perhaps look at the ESTYN criteria for outstanding teachers and you'll see what a multi-faceted, highly skilled job we do.

Typical of an uninformed layman to criticise.

A great man once said 'When the history of the world is written, it is teachers who will be the heroes'.
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.[/p][/quote]Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.[/p][/quote]Why would you fine parents who take a single child, with otherwise 100% attendance out of school during term time for a once in a lifetime chance to study other cultures? But you do, whilst taking over a week off due to strike action and deserting entire classes of children many of whom have much worse attendance and cannot afford to lose a single day of teaching. Just to ensure there is no misunderstanding, when I say strike action, I mean attempting to extort the country and hold it to ransom to support unreasonable demands. Typical of an "outstanding" teacher not to see the double standards and hypocrisy.[/p][/quote]What absolute nonsense. As I stated above I did not strike and therefore did not 'desert entire classes'. You'll find that a few small percentage of teachers actually voted in favour of strike action. How can you justify saying that it's typical of a outstanding teacher not to see double standards? I'd ask you not to be so narrow minded and perhaps look at the ESTYN criteria for outstanding teachers and you'll see what a multi-faceted, highly skilled job we do. Typical of an uninformed layman to criticise. A great man once said 'When the history of the world is written, it is teachers who will be the heroes'. Teacher1977
  • Score: 1

9:58pm Tue 15 Jul 14

pbhj says...

DavidMclean wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?

Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?
An odd post where I find myself agreeing when you say "How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?"

However, you seem to lose the plot with "who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?"

Your two weeks holiday on the beach more important than your child's education?
Is a week sitting in a class room more important than my child's education? Education is not solely about schools and schooling.

Clearly if the child does nothing but sit on the beach then the educational benefits are going to be limited (but there are still social aspects and the travel process which can be educational). However, neither is simply being present at school necessarily better for a child than what can be experienced on holiday.

Blanket approaches don't work in education as the variables are immense; that is why up to now some freedom has been given to parents to be the arbiters of the educational inputs of their children. But now these liberties are being snatched away as short-sighted mandarins look at basic statistics that fail to tell the whole story.
[quote][p][bold]DavidMclean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: What about families who work commitments mean they cannot have their holidays at the schools convienence ? How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ? Stupid rules introduced my Morons, who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?[/p][/quote]An odd post where I find myself agreeing when you say "How about legislating to prevent holiday companies tripling prices during the school holidays ?" However, you seem to lose the plot with "who the hell does a Headmaster think he is to tell me when I can or can't have holidays ?" Your two weeks holiday on the beach more important than your child's education?[/p][/quote]Is a week sitting in a class room more important than my child's education? Education is not solely about schools and schooling. Clearly if the child does nothing but sit on the beach then the educational benefits are going to be limited (but there are still social aspects and the travel process which can be educational). However, neither is simply being present at school necessarily better for a child than what can be experienced on holiday. Blanket approaches don't work in education as the variables are immense; that is why up to now some freedom has been given to parents to be the arbiters of the educational inputs of their children. But now these liberties are being snatched away as short-sighted mandarins look at basic statistics that fail to tell the whole story. pbhj
  • Score: 4

11:43pm Tue 15 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

landyman3030 wrote:
This Education Penalty Notices Wales 2013 is on the back of truancy laws which came in with the Anti Social Behaviour Act in 2003. Reading the statutes tells me that it is primarily used to fine parents whose children do not regularly attend school. I can find no mention of holidays and sick days. It seems to me that this was originally set up to combat parents who thought school was a waste of time for the children. Not for hard working law abiding adults who try and take their kids on a family holiday. It really sounds to me that this was never supposed to be used for holidays in term time but it looks like the WAG is pushing that way. And reading the notices explains that all monies earned through fines should be used to fund the penalty system. Any excess money after this should be given to the WAG. Another money spinner of Carwyn is it? 9 and a half months to the time when we choose again who hands down laws like this.
I was on holiday last year and met a guy from England who had been given notice that he was going to be fined for taking his 3 boys out of school for a sun holiday Monday to Friday. He works away weeks on end and gets told when his holidays are through the year. He chose to take them on holiday because he never sees them and wanted to give them a holiday for the family. I was shocked that he was being fined for giving his young children a holiday given his circumstances. I thought devolution meant making decisions independent of the UK government. Turns out devolution means following a supposedly socialist peoples WAG as they mimic the UK government in conjuring up new ways to persecute the average working individual and family. This is not the teachers doing. This is not the LEA doing. This is WAG led. LABOUR GOVERNMENT. The workers party. Shame CARWYN. Shame. Where is the tipping point for the public? When is enough enough? 9.5 months before you decide.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: This Education Penalty Notices Wales 2013 is on the back of truancy laws which came in with the Anti Social Behaviour Act in 2003. Reading the statutes tells me that it is primarily used to fine parents whose children do not regularly attend school. I can find no mention of holidays and sick days. It seems to me that this was originally set up to combat parents who thought school was a waste of time for the children. Not for hard working law abiding adults who try and take their kids on a family holiday. It really sounds to me that this was never supposed to be used for holidays in term time but it looks like the WAG is pushing that way. And reading the notices explains that all monies earned through fines should be used to fund the penalty system. Any excess money after this should be given to the WAG. Another money spinner of Carwyn is it? 9 and a half months to the time when we choose again who hands down laws like this.[/p][/quote]I was on holiday last year and met a guy from England who had been given notice that he was going to be fined for taking his 3 boys out of school for a sun holiday Monday to Friday. He works away weeks on end and gets told when his holidays are through the year. He chose to take them on holiday because he never sees them and wanted to give them a holiday for the family. I was shocked that he was being fined for giving his young children a holiday given his circumstances. I thought devolution meant making decisions independent of the UK government. Turns out devolution means following a supposedly socialist peoples WAG as they mimic the UK government in conjuring up new ways to persecute the average working individual and family. This is not the teachers doing. This is not the LEA doing. This is WAG led. LABOUR GOVERNMENT. The workers party. Shame CARWYN. Shame. Where is the tipping point for the public? When is enough enough? 9.5 months before you decide. landyman3030
  • Score: 5

7:25am Wed 16 Jul 14

anigel says...

Teacher1977 wrote:
anigel wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
anigel wrote:
This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.
Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.
Why would you fine parents who take a single child, with otherwise 100% attendance out of school during term time for a once in a lifetime chance to study other cultures?

But you do, whilst taking over a week off due to strike action and deserting entire classes of children many of whom have much worse attendance and cannot afford to lose a single day of teaching.

Just to ensure there is no misunderstanding, when I say strike action, I mean attempting to extort the country and hold it to ransom to support unreasonable demands.

Typical of an "outstanding" teacher not to see the double standards and hypocrisy.
What absolute nonsense. As I stated above I did not strike and therefore did not 'desert entire classes'. You'll find that a few small percentage of teachers actually voted in favour of strike action.

How can you justify saying that it's typical of a outstanding teacher not to see double standards? I'd ask you not to be so narrow minded and perhaps look at the ESTYN criteria for outstanding teachers and you'll see what a multi-faceted, highly skilled job we do.

Typical of an uninformed layman to criticise.

A great man once said 'When the history of the world is written, it is teachers who will be the heroes'.
Once again you duck all responsibility for your profession by re-iterating you personally did not strike. Well congratulations, you, are actually bothering to do the job you are contracted to do. The medal is in the post.

I am talking about the profession as a whole and not just you personally. The only thing that was meant personally was your own repeated failure to see the double standards and hypocrisy in saying that education is so important we cannot allow any time off school for anything, yet keep closing schools because of strike action.

I'd ask you not to be so narrow minded and consider how so many people can see the hypocrisy here yet the profession sees no issue.

As for the "Uninformed layman" comment, how typical of an educator to believe they know everything about someone that they know nothing of and have never met.

As for your quote, most educators would know how to attribute a quote correctly. In this instance, either the quote has been paraphrased and yet still given as a quotation, or it has been made up, as a search for that exact phrase returns zero results.
[quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.[/p][/quote]Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.[/p][/quote]Why would you fine parents who take a single child, with otherwise 100% attendance out of school during term time for a once in a lifetime chance to study other cultures? But you do, whilst taking over a week off due to strike action and deserting entire classes of children many of whom have much worse attendance and cannot afford to lose a single day of teaching. Just to ensure there is no misunderstanding, when I say strike action, I mean attempting to extort the country and hold it to ransom to support unreasonable demands. Typical of an "outstanding" teacher not to see the double standards and hypocrisy.[/p][/quote]What absolute nonsense. As I stated above I did not strike and therefore did not 'desert entire classes'. You'll find that a few small percentage of teachers actually voted in favour of strike action. How can you justify saying that it's typical of a outstanding teacher not to see double standards? I'd ask you not to be so narrow minded and perhaps look at the ESTYN criteria for outstanding teachers and you'll see what a multi-faceted, highly skilled job we do. Typical of an uninformed layman to criticise. A great man once said 'When the history of the world is written, it is teachers who will be the heroes'.[/p][/quote]Once again you duck all responsibility for your profession by re-iterating you personally did not strike. Well congratulations, you, are actually bothering to do the job you are contracted to do. The medal is in the post. I am talking about the profession as a whole and not just you personally. The only thing that was meant personally was your own repeated failure to see the double standards and hypocrisy in saying that education is so important we cannot allow any time off school for anything, yet keep closing schools because of strike action. I'd ask you not to be so narrow minded and consider how so many people can see the hypocrisy here yet the profession sees no issue. As for the "Uninformed layman" comment, how typical of an educator to believe they know everything about someone that they know nothing of and have never met. As for your quote, most educators would know how to attribute a quote correctly. In this instance, either the quote has been paraphrased and yet still given as a quotation, or it has been made up, as a search for that exact phrase returns zero results. anigel
  • Score: 1

10:06am Wed 16 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

Landyman tries to identify Labour/Wales, when in fact this is an entire UK issue. OFF TOPIC ! Basically if the Education Authority attempts to meet ALL needs of working parents, half the kids would never be in school. the other half would be in care.......
Landyman tries to identify Labour/Wales, when in fact this is an entire UK issue. OFF TOPIC ! Basically if the Education Authority attempts to meet ALL needs of working parents, half the kids would never be in school. the other half would be in care....... Mervyn James
  • Score: -4

11:41am Wed 16 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Sorry Merv but i fail to see how it is off topic when this has already been implemented in England and is only now being put in to place by the WAG. As far as i can find out this is not being forced upon us by Cameron but is by Carwyns own choice. It is not Cameron who is telling our LEA and head teachers to refuse days off, it is the WAG. The remainder of fines after financing this policy of penalisation returns to the WAG. Nowhere else.
The WAG alone are driving this forward.
You make the needs of all parents to sound like a mammoth undertaking when in fact it is very simple.
If you can't ensure punctuality and regular attendance of your child at the school you get fined. Your fault.
If you want or have to take a family holiday in term time and your child is in good attendance record you can do free of penalty.
Why not trust the head teachers to run the school as they are paid to do and make the call as nobody knows the pupils better?
Welsh politicians sticking their beak in where it is not needed instead of trying to manage other responsiblities... like maybe the NHS.
Sorry Merv but i fail to see how it is off topic when this has already been implemented in England and is only now being put in to place by the WAG. As far as i can find out this is not being forced upon us by Cameron but is by Carwyns own choice. It is not Cameron who is telling our LEA and head teachers to refuse days off, it is the WAG. The remainder of fines after financing this policy of penalisation returns to the WAG. Nowhere else. The WAG alone are driving this forward. You make the needs of all parents to sound like a mammoth undertaking when in fact it is very simple. If you can't ensure punctuality and regular attendance of your child at the school you get fined. Your fault. If you want or have to take a family holiday in term time and your child is in good attendance record you can do free of penalty. Why not trust the head teachers to run the school as they are paid to do and make the call as nobody knows the pupils better? Welsh politicians sticking their beak in where it is not needed instead of trying to manage other responsiblities... like maybe the NHS. landyman3030
  • Score: 8

3:34pm Wed 16 Jul 14

endthelies says...

anigel wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
anigel wrote:
Teacher1977 wrote:
anigel wrote:
This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.
Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.
Why would you fine parents who take a single child, with otherwise 100% attendance out of school during term time for a once in a lifetime chance to study other cultures?

But you do, whilst taking over a week off due to strike action and deserting entire classes of children many of whom have much worse attendance and cannot afford to lose a single day of teaching.

Just to ensure there is no misunderstanding, when I say strike action, I mean attempting to extort the country and hold it to ransom to support unreasonable demands.

Typical of an "outstanding" teacher not to see the double standards and hypocrisy.
What absolute nonsense. As I stated above I did not strike and therefore did not 'desert entire classes'. You'll find that a few small percentage of teachers actually voted in favour of strike action.

How can you justify saying that it's typical of a outstanding teacher not to see double standards? I'd ask you not to be so narrow minded and perhaps look at the ESTYN criteria for outstanding teachers and you'll see what a multi-faceted, highly skilled job we do.

Typical of an uninformed layman to criticise.

A great man once said 'When the history of the world is written, it is teachers who will be the heroes'.
Once again you duck all responsibility for your profession by re-iterating you personally did not strike. Well congratulations, you, are actually bothering to do the job you are contracted to do. The medal is in the post.

I am talking about the profession as a whole and not just you personally. The only thing that was meant personally was your own repeated failure to see the double standards and hypocrisy in saying that education is so important we cannot allow any time off school for anything, yet keep closing schools because of strike action.

I'd ask you not to be so narrow minded and consider how so many people can see the hypocrisy here yet the profession sees no issue.

As for the "Uninformed layman" comment, how typical of an educator to believe they know everything about someone that they know nothing of and have never met.

As for your quote, most educators would know how to attribute a quote correctly. In this instance, either the quote has been paraphrased and yet still given as a quotation, or it has been made up, as a search for that exact phrase returns zero results.
I don't think you've understood what has already been said by posters. Teachers have no say whatsoever in whether your child is allowed two weeks off from school a year. It is your local Education Authority so take it up with them.
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teacher1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: This will be ok as soon as they fine every single teacher who takess trike action, as they have repeatedly taken whole classrooms full of children out of school. Oh of course not. It's always one rule for public sector and another excuse to extort the British tax payer.[/p][/quote]Why would you fine teachers who strike! It's not like those who strike get paid.[/p][/quote]Why would you fine parents who take a single child, with otherwise 100% attendance out of school during term time for a once in a lifetime chance to study other cultures? But you do, whilst taking over a week off due to strike action and deserting entire classes of children many of whom have much worse attendance and cannot afford to lose a single day of teaching. Just to ensure there is no misunderstanding, when I say strike action, I mean attempting to extort the country and hold it to ransom to support unreasonable demands. Typical of an "outstanding" teacher not to see the double standards and hypocrisy.[/p][/quote]What absolute nonsense. As I stated above I did not strike and therefore did not 'desert entire classes'. You'll find that a few small percentage of teachers actually voted in favour of strike action. How can you justify saying that it's typical of a outstanding teacher not to see double standards? I'd ask you not to be so narrow minded and perhaps look at the ESTYN criteria for outstanding teachers and you'll see what a multi-faceted, highly skilled job we do. Typical of an uninformed layman to criticise. A great man once said 'When the history of the world is written, it is teachers who will be the heroes'.[/p][/quote]Once again you duck all responsibility for your profession by re-iterating you personally did not strike. Well congratulations, you, are actually bothering to do the job you are contracted to do. The medal is in the post. I am talking about the profession as a whole and not just you personally. The only thing that was meant personally was your own repeated failure to see the double standards and hypocrisy in saying that education is so important we cannot allow any time off school for anything, yet keep closing schools because of strike action. I'd ask you not to be so narrow minded and consider how so many people can see the hypocrisy here yet the profession sees no issue. As for the "Uninformed layman" comment, how typical of an educator to believe they know everything about someone that they know nothing of and have never met. As for your quote, most educators would know how to attribute a quote correctly. In this instance, either the quote has been paraphrased and yet still given as a quotation, or it has been made up, as a search for that exact phrase returns zero results.[/p][/quote]I don't think you've understood what has already been said by posters. Teachers have no say whatsoever in whether your child is allowed two weeks off from school a year. It is your local Education Authority so take it up with them. endthelies
  • Score: 5

7:48am Fri 18 Jul 14

Casper says...

Do we all get a £60 rebate (or childcare voucher) when an unexpected inset day or a Nato summit pops up?
Do we all get a £60 rebate (or childcare voucher) when an unexpected inset day or a Nato summit pops up? Casper
  • Score: 4

9:51am Sat 19 Jul 14

Teacher1977 says...

Casper wrote:
Do we all get a £60 rebate (or childcare voucher) when an unexpected inset day or a Nato summit pops up?
Dates of INSET days should be advertised by the school at the start of each school year, so they shouldn't ever be 'unexpected'.
[quote][p][bold]Casper[/bold] wrote: Do we all get a £60 rebate (or childcare voucher) when an unexpected inset day or a Nato summit pops up?[/p][/quote]Dates of INSET days should be advertised by the school at the start of each school year, so they shouldn't ever be 'unexpected'. Teacher1977
  • Score: 1

7:39am Sun 20 Jul 14

Asdf1234 says...

Training days are being taken on the NATO days this year, so the number of days that school is closed to pupils remains the same. The days are simply being taken earlier in the year.
Training days are being taken on the NATO days this year, so the number of days that school is closed to pupils remains the same. The days are simply being taken earlier in the year. Asdf1234
  • Score: 0

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