Campaign for tolerance launched on Newport buses

South Wales Argus: The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are promoting peace, love and community cohesion with advertisements on Stagecoach buses.  Pictured are members of the Ahmadiyya community with the advertisement. (8154782) The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are promoting peace, love and community cohesion with advertisements on Stagecoach buses. Pictured are members of the Ahmadiyya community with the advertisement. (8154782)

A BUS advertisement campaign to promote community cohesion in Newport, South Wales and the South West of England was officially launched in the city on Saturday.

The Mayor of Newport, Cllr Matthew Evans, joined the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association (AMYA) Newport to launch the campaign at The Holiday Inn at The Coldra.

The AMYA campaign aims to tackle Islamophobia and promote loyalty, freedom, equality and peace.

The president of the Newport chapter of the youth association, Saleh Baqi, said: "It was brilliant. There was a lot of appreciation from the audience and the guests."

Newport East AM John Griffiths has supported the campaign, which will also be rolled out on buses in Swansea, Bridgend, Cardiff, Bath, Gloucester, Plymouth, Exeter and Bristol.

He said: “The Muslim community in Newport has a long history of supporting tolerance and respect. The bus campaign is an important way of showing that these values are alive and well in our city.”

It was also attended by Gwent Police’s Mark Warden and South Wales East AM Mohammad Asghar.

For more information on the Newport chapter of the Ahmadiyaa Muslim Association UK phone 01633508308 or email info.newport@ahmadiyyauk.org.

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8:02pm Sun 13 Jul 14

K Selway says...

Brilliant. Gets my vote ;)
Brilliant. Gets my vote ;) K Selway
  • Score: -1

8:52pm Sun 13 Jul 14

cath 872 says...

Ten males in the photo, not one female, and yet they claim to promote equality.... Until Islam and other religions demonstrate a commitment to showing TRUE equality for everyone then they are wasting their time in stunts like this.
Ten males in the photo, not one female, and yet they claim to promote equality.... Until Islam and other religions demonstrate a commitment to showing TRUE equality for everyone then they are wasting their time in stunts like this. cath 872
  • Score: 73

8:58pm Sun 13 Jul 14

cath 872 says...

Sorry, I can't count, eleven males...
Sorry, I can't count, eleven males... cath 872
  • Score: 8

12:37am Mon 14 Jul 14

Saqib iqbal says...

@Cath we had ladies there, the only difference was that they were with the other guests to keep them some company and answer any questions they had. I hope that clears why ladies couldn't join us in the picture.
@Cath we had ladies there, the only difference was that they were with the other guests to keep them some company and answer any questions they had. I hope that clears why ladies couldn't join us in the picture. Saqib iqbal
  • Score: 12

12:44am Mon 14 Jul 14

bari_malik says...

At the start of 2010, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community launched a campaign to set about taking the message of Peace – a fundamental principle of Islam -to the wider world. Living a peaceful life is one thing, but in light of the growing negative publicity generated about Islam – it has become even more important to take the message of peace and tolerance to our fellow citizens well don Ahmadiyya Muslim Association Newport UK.
At the start of 2010, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community launched a campaign to set about taking the message of Peace – a fundamental principle of Islam -to the wider world. Living a peaceful life is one thing, but in light of the growing negative publicity generated about Islam – it has become even more important to take the message of peace and tolerance to our fellow citizens well don Ahmadiyya Muslim Association Newport UK. bari_malik
  • Score: 24

3:06am Mon 14 Jul 14

volunteerwales says...

cath 872 I hope women s left there sun cream at home, so didn't bothered, anyway lets find out what this white guy is doing there, people like you on jawbreaker allowance, will stay home and do nothing but nags on government policies, why not keep mouth shut rather complain about everything. Well done guys, you never forget your creams :)
cath 872 I hope women s left there sun cream at home, so didn't bothered, anyway lets find out what this white guy is doing there, people like you on jawbreaker allowance, will stay home and do nothing but nags on government policies, why not keep mouth shut rather complain about everything. Well done guys, you never forget your creams :) volunteerwales
  • Score: -37

7:10am Mon 14 Jul 14

Woodgnome says...

Cath makes a legit point and i'm sure Saqib will take more care with next PR pic. it's all about perceptions Saqib.
Cath makes a legit point and i'm sure Saqib will take more care with next PR pic. it's all about perceptions Saqib. Woodgnome
  • Score: -29

8:20am Mon 14 Jul 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Kind of ironic that a campaign for tolerance is being advertised on Stagecoach buses when the head of Stagecoach is one Brian Souter who campaigned so vigorously against the repeal of the infamously homophobic Clause 28 law which was used by Thatcher's government in the '80s to suppress the 'promotion' of homosexuality!
Kind of ironic that a campaign for tolerance is being advertised on Stagecoach buses when the head of Stagecoach is one Brian Souter who campaigned so vigorously against the repeal of the infamously homophobic Clause 28 law which was used by Thatcher's government in the '80s to suppress the 'promotion' of homosexuality! Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 24

8:45am Mon 14 Jul 14

displayed says...

volunteerwales wrote:
cath 872 I hope women s left there sun cream at home, so didn't bothered, anyway lets find out what this white guy is doing there, people like you on jawbreaker allowance, will stay home and do nothing but nags on government policies, why not keep mouth shut rather complain about everything. Well done guys, you never forget your creams :)
Is this really a "serious comment" or a troll one, hmmmmm...........
[quote][p][bold]volunteerwales[/bold] wrote: cath 872 I hope women s left there sun cream at home, so didn't bothered, anyway lets find out what this white guy is doing there, people like you on jawbreaker allowance, will stay home and do nothing but nags on government policies, why not keep mouth shut rather complain about everything. Well done guys, you never forget your creams :)[/p][/quote]Is this really a "serious comment" or a troll one, hmmmmm........... displayed
  • Score: 6

9:01am Mon 14 Jul 14

displayed says...

"The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are promoting peace, love and community cohesion with advertisements on Stagecoach buses."

"It was also attended by Gwent Police’s Mark Warden and South Wales East AM Mohammad Asghar."

These two sentences do not gel, as Mr Asghar has been a thorn in the side for the muslim community:
His outspoken comments have not endeared him to them:
http://www.southwale
sargus.co.uk/search/
?search=asghar
"The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are promoting peace, love and community cohesion with advertisements on Stagecoach buses." "It was also attended by Gwent Police’s Mark Warden and South Wales East AM Mohammad Asghar." These two sentences do not gel, as Mr Asghar has been a thorn in the side for the muslim community: His outspoken comments have not endeared him to them: http://www.southwale sargus.co.uk/search/ ?search=asghar displayed
  • Score: 23

9:33am Mon 14 Jul 14

volunteerwales says...

displayed wrote:
"The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are promoting peace, love and community cohesion with advertisements on Stagecoach buses."

"It was also attended by Gwent Police’s Mark Warden and South Wales East AM Mohammad Asghar."

These two sentences do not gel, as Mr Asghar has been a thorn in the side for the muslim community:
His outspoken comments have not endeared him to them:
http://www.southwale

sargus.co.uk/search/

?search=asghar
is this serious ? or an attempt to show your internet search skills , if you have primary school kids around , ask them to do it properly for you !
[quote][p][bold]displayed[/bold] wrote: "The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are promoting peace, love and community cohesion with advertisements on Stagecoach buses." "It was also attended by Gwent Police’s Mark Warden and South Wales East AM Mohammad Asghar." These two sentences do not gel, as Mr Asghar has been a thorn in the side for the muslim community: His outspoken comments have not endeared him to them: http://www.southwale sargus.co.uk/search/ ?search=asghar[/p][/quote]is this serious ? or an attempt to show your internet search skills , if you have primary school kids around , ask them to do it properly for you ! volunteerwales
  • Score: -23

9:55am Mon 14 Jul 14

displayed says...

This url:
http://www.southwale


sargus.co.uk/search/


?search=asghar

Was not put in like that:
http://www.southwale
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?search=asghar
This url: http://www.southwale sargus.co.uk/search/ ?search=asghar Was not put in like that: http://www.southwale sargus.co.uk/search/ ?search=asghar displayed
  • Score: 22

10:48am Mon 14 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Kind of ironic that a campaign for tolerance is being advertised on Stagecoach buses when the head of Stagecoach is one Brian Souter who campaigned so vigorously against the repeal of the infamously homophobic Clause 28 law which was used by Thatcher's government in the '80s to suppress the 'promotion' of homosexuality!
Yes Katie you've said it before about some other stickers on these buses. Quit while you're ahead else you'll just end up an old nag.
"The AMYA campaign aims to tackle Islamophobia and promote loyalty, freedom, equality and peace"
I'm sure no one would wish to deprecate loyalty, freedom, equality of opportunity and peace. But the other one which is underlined in red on my spell check? What's it supposed to mean? An irrational fear of the Mohammedan religion ? Who has that? We have a fear of young men going out to the Middle East to add to the chaos which usually exists there and returning to misbehave in our country. We have a fear of people listening to violent rantings in the places of worship of those of the Mohammedan faith and believing their content.How on earth are those fears irrational?
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Kind of ironic that a campaign for tolerance is being advertised on Stagecoach buses when the head of Stagecoach is one Brian Souter who campaigned so vigorously against the repeal of the infamously homophobic Clause 28 law which was used by Thatcher's government in the '80s to suppress the 'promotion' of homosexuality![/p][/quote]Yes Katie you've said it before about some other stickers on these buses. Quit while you're ahead else you'll just end up an old nag. "The AMYA campaign aims to tackle Islamophobia and promote loyalty, freedom, equality and peace" I'm sure no one would wish to deprecate loyalty, freedom, equality of opportunity and peace. But the other one which is underlined in red on my spell check? What's it supposed to mean? An irrational fear of the Mohammedan religion ? Who has that? We have a fear of young men going out to the Middle East to add to the chaos which usually exists there and returning to misbehave in our country. We have a fear of people listening to violent rantings in the places of worship of those of the Mohammedan faith and believing their content.How on earth are those fears irrational? Dai Rear
  • Score: -21

1:29pm Mon 14 Jul 14

anigel says...

Apparently it is now offensive to ask for religion not to be forced on other people. but not offensive to go round forcing it on people.
Apparently it is now offensive to ask for religion not to be forced on other people. but not offensive to go round forcing it on people. anigel
  • Score: 16

1:53pm Mon 14 Jul 14

anigel says...

Saqib iqbal wrote:
@Cath we had ladies there, the only difference was that they were with the other guests to keep them some company and answer any questions they had. I hope that clears why ladies couldn't join us in the picture.
In other words your equality is the men get all the limelight and the ladies are all left behind doing the work. We certainly do not need more of that type of equality
[quote][p][bold]Saqib iqbal[/bold] wrote: @Cath we had ladies there, the only difference was that they were with the other guests to keep them some company and answer any questions they had. I hope that clears why ladies couldn't join us in the picture.[/p][/quote]In other words your equality is the men get all the limelight and the ladies are all left behind doing the work. We certainly do not need more of that type of equality anigel
  • Score: 17

3:02pm Mon 14 Jul 14

bari_malik says...

We are not only advertising peace and love stickers on buses we also organize peace symposiums on regular bases and run a free to view satellite channel MTA International (available on Sky 787) dedicated to spreading harmony among and between all people regardless of faith and background , please watch this channel in your spare time you will also find what Ahmadiyya Muslim community have views regarding equality of women and how Ahmadiyya Muslim women are contributing in these activities.
We are not only advertising peace and love stickers on buses we also organize peace symposiums on regular bases and run a free to view satellite channel MTA International (available on Sky 787) dedicated to spreading harmony among and between all people regardless of faith and background , please watch this channel in your spare time you will also find what Ahmadiyya Muslim community have views regarding equality of women and how Ahmadiyya Muslim women are contributing in these activities. bari_malik
  • Score: -7

5:48pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Magor says...

I think they should be sorting out the problems in their own communities first.
I think they should be sorting out the problems in their own communities first. Magor
  • Score: 12

6:48pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

....ten years after they bus lanes first appeared in Newport.....and the vast majority of drivers haven't seen or understood these static signs that advise drivers when they can legitimately drive in the bus lane.....no hope for any signs on moving buses then......as most people are oblivious to the world around them......

watch this...http://www.bb
c.co.uk/programmes/p
01sltgf
....ten years after they bus lanes first appeared in Newport.....and the vast majority of drivers haven't seen or understood these static signs that advise drivers when they can legitimately drive in the bus lane.....no hope for any signs on moving buses then......as most people are oblivious to the world around them...... watch this...http://www.bb c.co.uk/programmes/p 01sltgf Dave on his Soapbox
  • Score: 2

6:53pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

see the full programme....

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7:55pm Mon 14 Jul 14

mvaone says...

volunteerwales wrote:
cath 872 I hope women s left there sun cream at home, so didn't bothered, anyway lets find out what this white guy is doing there, people like you on jawbreaker allowance, will stay home and do nothing but nags on government policies, why not keep mouth shut rather complain about everything. Well done guys, you never forget your creams :)
you really need to learn how to write properly
[quote][p][bold]volunteerwales[/bold] wrote: cath 872 I hope women s left there sun cream at home, so didn't bothered, anyway lets find out what this white guy is doing there, people like you on jawbreaker allowance, will stay home and do nothing but nags on government policies, why not keep mouth shut rather complain about everything. Well done guys, you never forget your creams :)[/p][/quote]you really need to learn how to write properly mvaone
  • Score: 7

12:16am Tue 15 Jul 14

bow2010 says...

anigel wrote:
Apparently it is now offensive to ask for religion not to be forced on other people. but not offensive to go round forcing it on people.
you can start your own religion, and start promoting it, however you cannot force it on others, anything wrong with it ? thoug we live in a society which proudly qualifies for freedome of information and freedom to speach. if you do not want to access your right, let others do , please ! and do not want to agree with any
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: Apparently it is now offensive to ask for religion not to be forced on other people. but not offensive to go round forcing it on people.[/p][/quote]you can start your own religion, and start promoting it, however you cannot force it on others, anything wrong with it ? thoug we live in a society which proudly qualifies for freedome of information and freedom to speach. if you do not want to access your right, let others do , please ! and do not want to agree with any bow2010
  • Score: -4

12:34am Tue 15 Jul 14

bow2010 says...

cath 872 wrote:
Ten males in the photo, not one female, and yet they claim to promote equality.... Until Islam and other religions demonstrate a commitment to showing TRUE equality for everyone then they are wasting their time in stunts like this.
fair point, but have you demonstrated a commitment towards your comunity and society in last 12 months ? we hope so, give us a few examples ?
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***** Women need safety, well before equality ! ****************
[quote][p][bold]cath 872[/bold] wrote: Ten males in the photo, not one female, and yet they claim to promote equality.... Until Islam and other religions demonstrate a commitment to showing TRUE equality for everyone then they are wasting their time in stunts like this.[/p][/quote]fair point, but have you demonstrated a commitment towards your comunity and society in last 12 months ? we hope so, give us a few examples ? UK tops league of teenage pregnancy, Britain still has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Western Europe Police sent 5,404 rape cases to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in 2012/13 out of more than 17,000 reports, figures suggested. ***** Women need safety, well before equality ! **************** bow2010
  • Score: -10

12:55am Tue 15 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

cath 872 wrote:
Ten males in the photo, not one female, and yet they claim to promote equality.... Until Islam and other religions demonstrate a commitment to showing TRUE equality for everyone then they are wasting their time in stunts like this.
Islam has given women rights 1500 years ago, and women were not only able to share from husbands property but also from father, and son.
1922 The Law of Property Act allows both husband and wife to inherit
property equally. (www.bbc.co.uk)
Are you serious about comparing british women rights with a Muslim women rights ?
1985 The Equal Pay (Amendment) Act allows women to be paid the same as men for work of equal value.
(Greater London Authority (2002) capitalwoman, GLA: London)
[quote][p][bold]cath 872[/bold] wrote: Ten males in the photo, not one female, and yet they claim to promote equality.... Until Islam and other religions demonstrate a commitment to showing TRUE equality for everyone then they are wasting their time in stunts like this.[/p][/quote]Islam has given women rights 1500 years ago, and women were not only able to share from husbands property but also from father, and son. 1922 The Law of Property Act allows both husband and wife to inherit property equally. (www.bbc.co.uk) Are you serious about comparing british women rights with a Muslim women rights ? 1985 The Equal Pay (Amendment) Act allows women to be paid the same as men for work of equal value. (Greater London Authority (2002) capitalwoman, GLA: London) saleemdine
  • Score: -3

1:07am Tue 15 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

Magor wrote:
I think they should be sorting out the problems in their own communities first.
indeed, we all need to bring back our family values, istead of blaming islam or any other religion:
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[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: I think they should be sorting out the problems in their own communities first.[/p][/quote]indeed, we all need to bring back our family values, istead of blaming islam or any other religion: 'Disposable dads' causing crisis in families as more boys aged 15 have a smartphone than live with their father Read more: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2690422/More-boys-sm arphone-live-father- report-family-breakd own-backs-Beyonce-s- ring-message.html#ix zz37UkB8S96 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook saleemdine
  • Score: 0

1:19am Tue 15 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Cath makes a legit point and i'm sure Saqib will take more care with next PR pic. it's all about perceptions Saqib.
I hope you would like to sugest another legit point to International Olympic Committee to compete women with men in all competitions, including wresling and boxing. an overkill for equality.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Cath makes a legit point and i'm sure Saqib will take more care with next PR pic. it's all about perceptions Saqib.[/p][/quote]I hope you would like to sugest another legit point to International Olympic Committee to compete women with men in all competitions, including wresling and boxing. an overkill for equality. saleemdine
  • Score: 2

1:34am Tue 15 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Kind of ironic that a campaign for tolerance is being advertised on Stagecoach buses when the head of Stagecoach is one Brian Souter who campaigned so vigorously against the repeal of the infamously homophobic Clause 28 law which was used by Thatcher's government in the '80s to suppress the 'promotion' of homosexuality!
Yes Katie you've said it before about some other stickers on these buses. Quit while you're ahead else you'll just end up an old nag.
"The AMYA campaign aims to tackle Islamophobia and promote loyalty, freedom, equality and peace"
I'm sure no one would wish to deprecate loyalty, freedom, equality of opportunity and peace. But the other one which is underlined in red on my spell check? What's it supposed to mean? An irrational fear of the Mohammedan religion ? Who has that? We have a fear of young men going out to the Middle East to add to the chaos which usually exists there and returning to misbehave in our country. We have a fear of people listening to violent rantings in the places of worship of those of the Mohammedan faith and believing their content.How on earth are those fears irrational?
Dai Rear
I would humbly request to write and quote my relgion of peace, Islam, and all prophets, with diginit and respect.
I totally agree that it is very unfortunate that name of Islam has been used and abused by wrong hands. which is also one of the very reason for this bus campaign. I would sugest you to have a quick anylysis of western world policies in middle east and you will quickly change your mind. No religion especially Islam to blame for any attrocity on human being. If you have found anything wrong with the religion called islam, or the teachings of the Holly Prophet Muhammad, which i can challenge you cannot, please bring it on board ?
Otherwise witout any reason, I would again humbly request NOT to blame religion, especially my peacfull religion Islam!
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Kind of ironic that a campaign for tolerance is being advertised on Stagecoach buses when the head of Stagecoach is one Brian Souter who campaigned so vigorously against the repeal of the infamously homophobic Clause 28 law which was used by Thatcher's government in the '80s to suppress the 'promotion' of homosexuality![/p][/quote]Yes Katie you've said it before about some other stickers on these buses. Quit while you're ahead else you'll just end up an old nag. "The AMYA campaign aims to tackle Islamophobia and promote loyalty, freedom, equality and peace" I'm sure no one would wish to deprecate loyalty, freedom, equality of opportunity and peace. But the other one which is underlined in red on my spell check? What's it supposed to mean? An irrational fear of the Mohammedan religion ? Who has that? We have a fear of young men going out to the Middle East to add to the chaos which usually exists there and returning to misbehave in our country. We have a fear of people listening to violent rantings in the places of worship of those of the Mohammedan faith and believing their content.How on earth are those fears irrational?[/p][/quote]Dai Rear I would humbly request to write and quote my relgion of peace, Islam, and all prophets, with diginit and respect. I totally agree that it is very unfortunate that name of Islam has been used and abused by wrong hands. which is also one of the very reason for this bus campaign. I would sugest you to have a quick anylysis of western world policies in middle east and you will quickly change your mind. No religion especially Islam to blame for any attrocity on human being. If you have found anything wrong with the religion called islam, or the teachings of the Holly Prophet Muhammad, which i can challenge you cannot, please bring it on board ? Otherwise witout any reason, I would again humbly request NOT to blame religion, especially my peacfull religion Islam! saleemdine
  • Score: 0

1:53am Tue 15 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

I do like the Holly Prophet!
But please to identify a country blessed with the peaceful qualities of the Mohammedan religion (in any of its varieties) You see there's a bit of a track record in the West and environs for this kind of stuff. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot all the "wrong" kind of communism, and we never see the "proper" kind.
I do like the Holly Prophet! But please to identify a country blessed with the peaceful qualities of the Mohammedan religion (in any of its varieties) You see there's a bit of a track record in the West and environs for this kind of stuff. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot all the "wrong" kind of communism, and we never see the "proper" kind. Dai Rear
  • Score: -13

7:56am Tue 15 Jul 14

aaologo says...

Come to the point: Topic restraint, tolerance, peace, and respect for everyone, and she is very valuable, woman, mother, sister and daughter as well, so things look a patient treatment tolerance, peace, organization tends to strengthen the training of children is , which teaches peace and tolerance,
For example, the
Ask anyone where to keep my fifty pound note will say that prized purse handle in the monitors - She is so very precious - they have handled the children, this is training, the same is a good thing. Respect to the generation of tolerance and peace teaches literature. I certainly am with Ahmadiyya Muslim Association. The message of peace to all the world, is very good. We have to Help.
Come to the point: Topic restraint, tolerance, peace, and respect for everyone, and she is very valuable, woman, mother, sister and daughter as well, so things look a patient treatment tolerance, peace, organization tends to strengthen the training of children is , which teaches peace and tolerance, For example, the Ask anyone where to keep my fifty pound note will say that prized purse handle in the monitors - She is so very precious - they have handled the children, this is training, the same is a good thing. Respect to the generation of tolerance and peace teaches literature. I certainly am with Ahmadiyya Muslim Association. The message of peace to all the world, is very good. We have to Help. aaologo
  • Score: -2

9:58am Tue 15 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

Why not take this bus to Syria or Iraq/Iran or Pakistan ? Couldn't be because they wouldn't get 5 yards up the road is it ... Brits have been very tolerant of considerable abuses from islamist groups resident here, they need to address their own radicalism not try the PC hard sell on us. Which hasn't a hope of getting my support. They are till allowing sons and daughters to join the jihad, and forcing children into marrying old men from aboard and ending their education, as well as killing gay people and treating women as slaves and child bearers for more militant weirdos. What about the 46% who refuse to even speak our ? language here. I deplore the police and others encouraging it, then again are they being run by PC idiots too ? (Might be a decent opportunity to bug them while they are there mind...)
Why not take this bus to Syria or Iraq/Iran or Pakistan ? Couldn't be because they wouldn't get 5 yards up the road is it ... Brits have been very tolerant of considerable abuses from islamist groups resident here, they need to address their own radicalism not try the PC hard sell on us. Which hasn't a hope of getting my support. They are till allowing sons and daughters to join the jihad, and forcing children into marrying old men from aboard and ending their education, as well as killing gay people and treating women as slaves and child bearers for more militant weirdos. What about the 46% who refuse to even speak our ? language here. I deplore the police and others encouraging it, then again are they being run by PC idiots too ? (Might be a decent opportunity to bug them while they are there mind...) Mervyn James
  • Score: 4

11:03am Tue 15 Jul 14

Woodgnome says...

saleemdine wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Cath makes a legit point and i'm sure Saqib will take more care with next PR pic. it's all about perceptions Saqib.
I hope you would like to sugest another legit point to International Olympic Committee to compete women with men in all competitions, including wresling and boxing. an overkill for equality.
Cath's point was an obvious and straightforward one - there's not a single woman in the photo. One assumes that none of the men in it thought to include their womenfolk.
[quote][p][bold]saleemdine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Cath makes a legit point and i'm sure Saqib will take more care with next PR pic. it's all about perceptions Saqib.[/p][/quote]I hope you would like to sugest another legit point to International Olympic Committee to compete women with men in all competitions, including wresling and boxing. an overkill for equality.[/p][/quote]Cath's point was an obvious and straightforward one - there's not a single woman in the photo. One assumes that none of the men in it thought to include their womenfolk. Woodgnome
  • Score: 4

9:38pm Tue 15 Jul 14

cath 872 says...

saleemdine
Are you serious?? A man can HIT his wife/wives in Islam as a last resort (thats ok, then), yes, its in the Koran, a woman's testimony in court is worth half that of a man, women cannot be judges, you need two female witnesses for every one male, (in the koran), etc, etc...I was married to a muslim for eleven terrible years, I couldn't even TALK to another man, please don't insult people by peddling the lie that women have equality with men in Islam. When we have a female Imam leading the Friday prayers, or a female leader in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, etc, then let me know.....
saleemdine Are you serious?? A man can HIT his wife/wives in Islam as a last resort (thats ok, then), yes, its in the Koran, a woman's testimony in court is worth half that of a man, women cannot be judges, you need two female witnesses for every one male, (in the koran), etc, etc...I was married to a muslim for eleven terrible years, I couldn't even TALK to another man, please don't insult people by peddling the lie that women have equality with men in Islam. When we have a female Imam leading the Friday prayers, or a female leader in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, etc, then let me know..... cath 872
  • Score: 4

12:20am Wed 16 Jul 14

volunteerwales says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Why not take this bus to Syria or Iraq/Iran or Pakistan ? Couldn't be because they wouldn't get 5 yards up the road is it ... Brits have been very tolerant of considerable abuses from islamist groups resident here, they need to address their own radicalism not try the PC hard sell on us. Which hasn't a hope of getting my support. They are till allowing sons and daughters to join the jihad, and forcing children into marrying old men from aboard and ending their education, as well as killing gay people and treating women as slaves and child bearers for more militant weirdos. What about the 46% who refuse to even speak our ? language here. I deplore the police and others encouraging it, then again are they being run by PC idiots too ? (Might be a decent opportunity to bug them while they are there mind...)
Marvyn , your idea is absolutely brilliant, why you do not support this campaign here in Britain, you have natto conference in newport, shell we suggest syria a host , who desperately need peace. these 46% non English speaking people do not turn up for work tomorrow, are 54% English speaking hold the economy for only one day ? you would not be able to buy milk .
I would humbly request go through the statistics.
Force has nothing to do with Islam, which means peace and tolerance.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Why not take this bus to Syria or Iraq/Iran or Pakistan ? Couldn't be because they wouldn't get 5 yards up the road is it ... Brits have been very tolerant of considerable abuses from islamist groups resident here, they need to address their own radicalism not try the PC hard sell on us. Which hasn't a hope of getting my support. They are till allowing sons and daughters to join the jihad, and forcing children into marrying old men from aboard and ending their education, as well as killing gay people and treating women as slaves and child bearers for more militant weirdos. What about the 46% who refuse to even speak our ? language here. I deplore the police and others encouraging it, then again are they being run by PC idiots too ? (Might be a decent opportunity to bug them while they are there mind...)[/p][/quote]Marvyn , your idea is absolutely brilliant, why you do not support this campaign here in Britain, you have natto conference in newport, shell we suggest syria a host , who desperately need peace. these 46% non English speaking people do not turn up for work tomorrow, are 54% English speaking hold the economy for only one day ? you would not be able to buy milk . I would humbly request go through the statistics. Force has nothing to do with Islam, which means peace and tolerance. volunteerwales
  • Score: -2

12:56am Wed 16 Jul 14

volunteerwales says...

cath 872 wrote:
saleemdine
Are you serious?? A man can HIT his wife/wives in Islam as a last resort (thats ok, then), yes, its in the Koran, a woman's testimony in court is worth half that of a man, women cannot be judges, you need two female witnesses for every one male, (in the koran), etc, etc...I was married to a muslim for eleven terrible years, I couldn't even TALK to another man, please don't insult people by peddling the lie that women have equality with men in Islam. When we have a female Imam leading the Friday prayers, or a female leader in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, etc, then let me know.....
Cath, I feel sorry for every single day you have spent with Muslim male. However there is no reason we can make your or your x partner religion, accountable, as it was your own choice to live with him. I would humbly suggest to reference a Holly Book , especially The Holly Quran properly.
Women have 100% equality in Islam. Female Imam and priest, your answer to equality, why ?
[quote][p][bold]cath 872[/bold] wrote: saleemdine Are you serious?? A man can HIT his wife/wives in Islam as a last resort (thats ok, then), yes, its in the Koran, a woman's testimony in court is worth half that of a man, women cannot be judges, you need two female witnesses for every one male, (in the koran), etc, etc...I was married to a muslim for eleven terrible years, I couldn't even TALK to another man, please don't insult people by peddling the lie that women have equality with men in Islam. When we have a female Imam leading the Friday prayers, or a female leader in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, etc, then let me know.....[/p][/quote]Cath, I feel sorry for every single day you have spent with Muslim male. However there is no reason we can make your or your x partner religion, accountable, as it was your own choice to live with him. I would humbly suggest to reference a Holly Book , especially The Holly Quran properly. Women have 100% equality in Islam. Female Imam and priest, your answer to equality, why ? volunteerwales
  • Score: -8

4:03am Wed 16 Jul 14

volunteerwales says...

DaiRear, lets go back to the point. A Muslim Community is promoting peace, love and community cohesion with advertisements on buses.
anything wrong with it ?
DaiRear, lets go back to the point. A Muslim Community is promoting peace, love and community cohesion with advertisements on buses. anything wrong with it ? volunteerwales
  • Score: 1

4:11am Wed 16 Jul 14

bow2010 says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Kind of ironic that a campaign for tolerance is being advertised on Stagecoach buses when the head of Stagecoach is one Brian Souter who campaigned so vigorously against the repeal of the infamously homophobic Clause 28 law which was used by Thatcher's government in the '80s to suppress the 'promotion' of homosexuality!
are you suggesting them to change the company and you will support the campaign ? or you want someone else to start the campaign ? I am still confused !!!!
lets not go into detail who is the owner of Tesco
wallmart, amazon, and lidl
does it really matter ! I don't think so
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Kind of ironic that a campaign for tolerance is being advertised on Stagecoach buses when the head of Stagecoach is one Brian Souter who campaigned so vigorously against the repeal of the infamously homophobic Clause 28 law which was used by Thatcher's government in the '80s to suppress the 'promotion' of homosexuality![/p][/quote]are you suggesting them to change the company and you will support the campaign ? or you want someone else to start the campaign ? I am still confused !!!! lets not go into detail who is the owner of Tesco wallmart, amazon, and lidl does it really matter ! I don't think so bow2010
  • Score: -1

7:29am Wed 16 Jul 14

anigel says...

bow2010 wrote:
anigel wrote:
Apparently it is now offensive to ask for religion not to be forced on other people. but not offensive to go round forcing it on people.
you can start your own religion, and start promoting it, however you cannot force it on others, anything wrong with it ? thoug we live in a society which proudly qualifies for freedome of information and freedom to speach. if you do not want to access your right, let others do , please ! and do not want to agree with any
Sorry, but I cannot understand what you are trying to say here, perhaps you need to focus on your English skills.
[quote][p][bold]bow2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: Apparently it is now offensive to ask for religion not to be forced on other people. but not offensive to go round forcing it on people.[/p][/quote]you can start your own religion, and start promoting it, however you cannot force it on others, anything wrong with it ? thoug we live in a society which proudly qualifies for freedome of information and freedom to speach. if you do not want to access your right, let others do , please ! and do not want to agree with any[/p][/quote]Sorry, but I cannot understand what you are trying to say here, perhaps you need to focus on your English skills. anigel
  • Score: 1

9:28am Wed 16 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

volunteerwales wrote:
DaiRear, lets go back to the point. A Muslim Community is promoting peace, love and community cohesion with advertisements on buses.
anything wrong with it ?
Nothing, save it's otiose. I think you'll not find a "community" anywhere which doesn't believe in motherhood and apple pie. What we, the indigenous population, want to hear is imams telling the assembled, this Friday, that young men who return to this country from abroad and foment violence will burn in Hell. We want to hear them say that the foaming ranters who appear on the internet wallowing in their violence and exhorting the ignorant to more violence are false prophets, actually the Prince of Darkness or Mohammedan equivalent.
How about that for something worthwhile?
[quote][p][bold]volunteerwales[/bold] wrote: DaiRear, lets go back to the point. A Muslim Community is promoting peace, love and community cohesion with advertisements on buses. anything wrong with it ?[/p][/quote]Nothing, save it's otiose. I think you'll not find a "community" anywhere which doesn't believe in motherhood and apple pie. What we, the indigenous population, want to hear is imams telling the assembled, this Friday, that young men who return to this country from abroad and foment violence will burn in Hell. We want to hear them say that the foaming ranters who appear on the internet wallowing in their violence and exhorting the ignorant to more violence are false prophets, actually the Prince of Darkness or Mohammedan equivalent. How about that for something worthwhile? Dai Rear
  • Score: -10

10:13am Wed 16 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

If Islam is about peace as one person suggested, then the message seems to have been lost in the Islamic community and the middle east. It is Imams preaching death to us, their LEADERS. I think sadly it is a PR job, the proof is the Islamic UK community closing down its extremes and being seen to do so,by allowing the security services into their mosques and deporting the extremists, they encourage to come to Wales to preach hate, 3 came to Cardiff on the banned list in Europe, and in some middle eastern countries, we have to ask why Welsh mosques are allowing it... Afghanistan's leader say the key is to isolate Pakistan, and destroy their base of operations there.
If Islam is about peace as one person suggested, then the message seems to have been lost in the Islamic community and the middle east. It is Imams preaching death to us, their LEADERS. I think sadly it is a PR job, the proof is the Islamic UK community closing down its extremes and being seen to do so,by allowing the security services into their mosques and deporting the extremists, they encourage to come to Wales to preach hate, 3 came to Cardiff on the banned list in Europe, and in some middle eastern countries, we have to ask why Welsh mosques are allowing it... Afghanistan's leader say the key is to isolate Pakistan, and destroy their base of operations there. Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

10:17am Wed 16 Jul 14

regaturn says...

Is this the same outfit that promised to organise a march in Newport in memory of Trooper Lee Rigby? We are still waiting for that!
Is this the same outfit that promised to organise a march in Newport in memory of Trooper Lee Rigby? We are still waiting for that! regaturn
  • Score: 4

10:20am Wed 16 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Why not take this bus to Syria or Iraq/Iran or Pakistan ? Couldn't be because they wouldn't get 5 yards up the road is it ... Brits have been very tolerant of considerable abuses from islamist groups resident here, they need to address their own radicalism not try the PC hard sell on us. Which hasn't a hope of getting my support. They are till allowing sons and daughters to join the jihad, and forcing children into marrying old men from aboard and ending their education, as well as killing gay people and treating women as slaves and child bearers for more militant weirdos. What about the 46% who refuse to even speak our ? language here. I deplore the police and others encouraging it, then again are they being run by PC idiots too ? (Might be a decent opportunity to bug them while they are there mind...)
More pearls of wisdom from Merv. Some heavy stereotyping going on here!
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Why not take this bus to Syria or Iraq/Iran or Pakistan ? Couldn't be because they wouldn't get 5 yards up the road is it ... Brits have been very tolerant of considerable abuses from islamist groups resident here, they need to address their own radicalism not try the PC hard sell on us. Which hasn't a hope of getting my support. They are till allowing sons and daughters to join the jihad, and forcing children into marrying old men from aboard and ending their education, as well as killing gay people and treating women as slaves and child bearers for more militant weirdos. What about the 46% who refuse to even speak our ? language here. I deplore the police and others encouraging it, then again are they being run by PC idiots too ? (Might be a decent opportunity to bug them while they are there mind...)[/p][/quote]More pearls of wisdom from Merv. Some heavy stereotyping going on here! jimmytheone2
  • Score: 2

10:21am Wed 16 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

Dai Rear wrote:
volunteerwales wrote:
DaiRear, lets go back to the point. A Muslim Community is promoting peace, love and community cohesion with advertisements on buses.
anything wrong with it ?
Nothing, save it's otiose. I think you'll not find a "community" anywhere which doesn't believe in motherhood and apple pie. What we, the indigenous population, want to hear is imams telling the assembled, this Friday, that young men who return to this country from abroad and foment violence will burn in Hell. We want to hear them say that the foaming ranters who appear on the internet wallowing in their violence and exhorting the ignorant to more violence are false prophets, actually the Prince of Darkness or Mohammedan equivalent.
How about that for something worthwhile?
the bus advert says exactly what you want, however politely, I hope you are also worried about our western foreign policy on Iraq, Afghanistan, and middle east, and already have written your concerns to your member of parliament and prime minister. I totally agree Imams need to play an important role.
"Muhammad the Liberator of Women" can be downloaded free from the link below, and you will have no other choice to agree that he is the Greatest prophet of the mankind and indeed the prince of light and hope. Trust me !
http://www.alislam.o
rg/library/books/Muh
ammad-the-liberator-
of-women.html
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]volunteerwales[/bold] wrote: DaiRear, lets go back to the point. A Muslim Community is promoting peace, love and community cohesion with advertisements on buses. anything wrong with it ?[/p][/quote]Nothing, save it's otiose. I think you'll not find a "community" anywhere which doesn't believe in motherhood and apple pie. What we, the indigenous population, want to hear is imams telling the assembled, this Friday, that young men who return to this country from abroad and foment violence will burn in Hell. We want to hear them say that the foaming ranters who appear on the internet wallowing in their violence and exhorting the ignorant to more violence are false prophets, actually the Prince of Darkness or Mohammedan equivalent. How about that for something worthwhile?[/p][/quote]the bus advert says exactly what you want, however politely, I hope you are also worried about our western foreign policy on Iraq, Afghanistan, and middle east, and already have written your concerns to your member of parliament and prime minister. I totally agree Imams need to play an important role. "Muhammad the Liberator of Women" can be downloaded free from the link below, and you will have no other choice to agree that he is the Greatest prophet of the mankind and indeed the prince of light and hope. Trust me ! http://www.alislam.o rg/library/books/Muh ammad-the-liberator- of-women.html saleemdine
  • Score: 5

10:32am Wed 16 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

regaturn wrote:
Is this the same outfit that promised to organise a march in Newport in memory of Trooper Lee Rigby? We are still waiting for that!
sure, grate idea,
"Thousands of Muslims pray for murdered soldier Lee Rigby"
open the link below:

http://www.yourlocal
guardian.co.uk/news/
local/topstories/104
43496.Thousands_of_M
uslims_pray_for_murd
ered_soldier_Lee_Rig
by/
[quote][p][bold]regaturn[/bold] wrote: Is this the same outfit that promised to organise a march in Newport in memory of Trooper Lee Rigby? We are still waiting for that![/p][/quote]sure, grate idea, "Thousands of Muslims pray for murdered soldier Lee Rigby" open the link below: http://www.yourlocal guardian.co.uk/news/ local/topstories/104 43496.Thousands_of_M uslims_pray_for_murd ered_soldier_Lee_Rig by/ saleemdine
  • Score: 1

10:41am Wed 16 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

saleemdine wrote:
regaturn wrote:
Is this the same outfit that promised to organise a march in Newport in memory of Trooper Lee Rigby? We are still waiting for that!
sure, grate idea,
"Thousands of Muslims pray for murdered soldier Lee Rigby"
open the link below:

http://www.yourlocal

guardian.co.uk/news/

local/topstories/104

43496.Thousands_of_M

uslims_pray_for_murd

ered_soldier_Lee_Rig

by/
"Thousands of Muslims pray for murdered soldier Lee Rigby"
corrected link below:

http://www.yourlocal
guardian.co.uk/news/
local/topstories/104
43496.Thousands_of_M
uslims_pray_for_murd
ered_soldier_Lee_Rig
by/
[quote][p][bold]saleemdine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]regaturn[/bold] wrote: Is this the same outfit that promised to organise a march in Newport in memory of Trooper Lee Rigby? We are still waiting for that![/p][/quote]sure, grate idea, "Thousands of Muslims pray for murdered soldier Lee Rigby" open the link below: http://www.yourlocal guardian.co.uk/news/ local/topstories/104 43496.Thousands_of_M uslims_pray_for_murd ered_soldier_Lee_Rig by/[/p][/quote]"Thousands of Muslims pray for murdered soldier Lee Rigby" corrected link below: http://www.yourlocal guardian.co.uk/news/ local/topstories/104 43496.Thousands_of_M uslims_pray_for_murd ered_soldier_Lee_Rig by/ saleemdine
  • Score: 0

11:41am Wed 16 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

"the bus advert says exactly what you want,"
"Love for all. Hatred for no one" is completely uncontroversial but what I was suggesting was unambiguous condemnation of acts of terrorism and the incitement to acts of terrorism in Wales and a strong message that perpetrators will not go to a happy hereafter. In particular we'd all like to hear that from the Al-Manar Centre in Glynrhondda Street Cardiff. Do you hold sway over that place? I think you know exactly what I mean and please, no obfuscation.
"the bus advert says exactly what you want," "Love for all. Hatred for no one" is completely uncontroversial but what I was suggesting was unambiguous condemnation of acts of terrorism and the incitement to acts of terrorism in Wales and a strong message that perpetrators will not go to a happy hereafter. In particular we'd all like to hear that from the Al-Manar Centre in Glynrhondda Street Cardiff. Do you hold sway over that place? I think you know exactly what I mean and please, no obfuscation. Dai Rear
  • Score: -13

1:06pm Wed 16 Jul 14

welshmen says...

regaturn wrote:
Is this the same outfit that promised to organise a march in Newport in memory of Trooper Lee Rigby? We are still waiting for that!...

I say:... just to add to that, they also promised to have a collection for Help the Hero's, they wanted a march with local dignitaries but many couldn't attend, also the weather were used for not being able to march...seems if Muslims don't get recognition or a pat on the back like this report it wont happen....

Mervyn James wrote:
Why not take this bus to Syria or Iraq/Iran or Pakistan ? Couldn't be because they wouldn't get 5 yards up the road is it ... Brits have been very tolerant of considerable abuses from islamist groups resident here, they need to address their own radicalism not try the PC hard sell on us. Which hasn't a hope of getting my support. They are till allowing sons and daughters to join the jihad, and forcing children into marrying old men from aboard and ending their education, as well as killing gay people and treating women as slaves and child bearers for more militant weirdos. What about the 46% who refuse to even speak our ? language here. I deplore the police and others encouraging it, then again are they being run by PC idiots too ? (Might be a decent opportunity to bug them while they are there mind...)
I say: SPOT on Mervyn...also your other post....

I say:
Actions speaks louder than words, especially Muslim words....
lie's and deceit are a big part of the Religion of Peace, as to it's teachings in the Qu'ran....When Muslims are told to show their support they are instructed by their Imams to come out of their Mosques in their thousands to wave their appropriate flag for that Muslim dispute, also their Black Flag of jihad, all seen on our streets on a regular basis, like last week, thousands demonstrated on Friday out side the Israeli Embassy in London and across the EU in Support of Hamas....yet no demonstrations against the ISSI in Iraq, butchering thousands of fellow Muslims, and this Bus advert is to make us feel ok, I will commend you for this if you Muslims really mean it, lying to infidels is a given in the Qu'ran No Sin....like I say Action not words, below a few of the reasons for Taqiyya...and why I don't trust Islam....

Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it … We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream … Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era.

Deception—known under the broad term taqiyya—is permissible in Islam, above and beyond the limited issue of self-preservation. This assertion is not “Islamophobic”; it is true. From a legalistic point of view, and as seen especially via the concept of tawriya, as long as deceptions are technically true (“I don’t have a penny in my pocket,” only dollars), they are not even considered lies. The prophet of Islam, Muhammad—the example that Sunni Muslims especially pattern their lives after—regularly made use of deceit. In order to assassinate a poet (Ka‘b ibn Ashraf) who offended him, Muhammad permitted a Muslim to lie to the poet. Muhammad is further on record giving license to breaking oaths (“if something better” comes along) and openly lying (without even employing tawriya) to one’s wife and in war. As for the latter, which assumes a perpetual nature in the guise of the jihad against the non-Muslim in order to make Islam (and Muslims) supreme (e.g., Qur’an 8:39), deception and lies are certainly permissible.

I say:
In my mind and probably millions of non believers in our Country,we would be a lot happier with Islam if it was allowed to marry into our Culture like other Immigrants do, "Marry non-believers" and stop Islamic division and separatism and wanting your own Law, "Sharia" you have over eighty Sharia Councils operating in our Country, it should be our land our laws, live by all of them, or go where you can practise your Religion of Peace in peace like Saudi Arabia.... and cath 872, respect girl....
regaturn wrote: Is this the same outfit that promised to organise a march in Newport in memory of Trooper Lee Rigby? We are still waiting for that!... I say:... just to add to that, they also promised to have a collection for Help the Hero's, they wanted a march with local dignitaries but many couldn't attend, also the weather were used for not being able to march...seems if Muslims don't get recognition or a pat on the back like this report it wont happen.... Mervyn James wrote: Why not take this bus to Syria or Iraq/Iran or Pakistan ? Couldn't be because they wouldn't get 5 yards up the road is it ... Brits have been very tolerant of considerable abuses from islamist groups resident here, they need to address their own radicalism not try the PC hard sell on us. Which hasn't a hope of getting my support. They are till allowing sons and daughters to join the jihad, and forcing children into marrying old men from aboard and ending their education, as well as killing gay people and treating women as slaves and child bearers for more militant weirdos. What about the 46% who refuse to even speak our ? language here. I deplore the police and others encouraging it, then again are they being run by PC idiots too ? (Might be a decent opportunity to bug them while they are there mind...) I say: SPOT on Mervyn...also your other post.... I say: Actions speaks louder than words, especially Muslim words.... lie's and deceit are a big part of the Religion of Peace, as to it's teachings in the Qu'ran....When Muslims are told to show their support they are instructed by their Imams to come out of their Mosques in their thousands to wave their appropriate flag for that Muslim dispute, also their Black Flag of jihad, all seen on our streets on a regular basis, like last week, thousands demonstrated on Friday out side the Israeli Embassy in London and across the EU in Support of Hamas....yet no demonstrations against the ISSI in Iraq, butchering thousands of fellow Muslims, and this Bus advert is to make us feel ok, I will commend you for this if you Muslims really mean it, lying to infidels is a given in the Qu'ran No Sin....like I say Action not words, below a few of the reasons for Taqiyya...and why I don't trust Islam.... Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it … We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream … Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era.[43] Deception—known under the broad term taqiyya—is permissible in Islam, above and beyond the limited issue of self-preservation. This assertion is not “Islamophobic”; it is true. From a legalistic point of view, and as seen especially via the concept of tawriya, as long as deceptions are technically true (“I don’t have a penny in my pocket,” only dollars), they are not even considered lies. The prophet of Islam, Muhammad—the example that Sunni Muslims especially pattern their lives after—regularly made use of deceit. In order to assassinate a poet (Ka‘b ibn Ashraf) who offended him, Muhammad permitted a Muslim to lie to the poet. Muhammad is further on record giving license to breaking oaths (“if something better” comes along) and openly lying (without even employing tawriya) to one’s wife and in war. As for the latter, which assumes a perpetual nature in the guise of the jihad against the non-Muslim in order to make Islam (and Muslims) supreme (e.g., Qur’an 8:39), deception and lies are certainly permissible. I say: In my mind and probably millions of non believers in our Country,we would be a lot happier with Islam if it was allowed to marry into our Culture like other Immigrants do, "Marry non-believers" and stop Islamic division and separatism and wanting your own Law, "Sharia" you have over eighty Sharia Councils operating in our Country, it should be our land our laws, live by all of them, or go where you can practise your Religion of Peace in peace like Saudi Arabia.... and cath 872, respect girl.... welshmen
  • Score: -1

2:10pm Wed 16 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

Muslim youths will be out in force today – collecting money for the British Legion
for Full story copy and paste the link:
http://blogs.telegra
ph.co.uk/news/edwest
/100114457/muslim-yo
uths-will-be-out-in-
force-today-collecti
ng-money-for-the-bri
tish-legion/
Muslim youths will be out in force today – collecting money for the British Legion for Full story copy and paste the link: http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/edwest /100114457/muslim-yo uths-will-be-out-in- force-today-collecti ng-money-for-the-bri tish-legion/ saleemdine
  • Score: 1

2:13pm Wed 16 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

A Muslim youth charity which helped to raise thousands of pounds for the Poppy Appeal was commended by the Royal British Legion in their Annual Awards Ceremony last week.
Full story, copy and paste the link:
http://www.asianexpr
ess.co.uk/tag/ahmadi
yya-muslim-youth-****
ociation/
A Muslim youth charity which helped to raise thousands of pounds for the Poppy Appeal was commended by the Royal British Legion in their Annual Awards Ceremony last week. Full story, copy and paste the link: http://www.asianexpr ess.co.uk/tag/ahmadi yya-muslim-youth-**** ociation/ saleemdine
  • Score: 1

3:08pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Wildethoughts says...

This is a really positive story. Quite frankly any campaign that seeks to being peace and goodwill to the communities of Newport is very welcome. Muslim people, the vast majority of whom who simply go about their lives every day just trying to pay the bills and bring up families and cope with the struggles that life can throw at you, like everybody else, must get so sick and tired of their religion being linked to terrorism and events in distant countries and discussed on forums like this by many people who are equipped with a knowledge of Islam that is based on little more that what they read in the headlines of the red tops!
This is a really positive story. Quite frankly any campaign that seeks to being peace and goodwill to the communities of Newport is very welcome. Muslim people, the vast majority of whom who simply go about their lives every day just trying to pay the bills and bring up families and cope with the struggles that life can throw at you, like everybody else, must get so sick and tired of their religion being linked to terrorism and events in distant countries and discussed on forums like this by many people who are equipped with a knowledge of Islam that is based on little more that what they read in the headlines of the red tops! Wildethoughts
  • Score: -2

3:19pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

"like everybody else, must get so sick and tired of their religion being linked to terrorism and events in distant countries"
The day that the Archbishop of Canterbury starts preaching along the lines of some of those who have preached at the Al-Manar Centre in Glynrhondda Street Cardiff you'll start to be right Wildethoughts. In the meantime I suggest stop sneering about the newspapers you (wrongly) perceive others not as "refined" as yourself to read and think why feelings about the Mohammedan Religion in Wales have developed since 2000, and no, it's not because anyone has told us to think anything.
"like everybody else, must get so sick and tired of their religion being linked to terrorism and events in distant countries" The day that the Archbishop of Canterbury starts preaching along the lines of some of those who have preached at the Al-Manar Centre in Glynrhondda Street Cardiff you'll start to be right Wildethoughts. In the meantime I suggest stop sneering about the newspapers you (wrongly) perceive others not as "refined" as yourself to read and think why feelings about the Mohammedan Religion in Wales have developed since 2000, and no, it's not because anyone has told us to think anything. Dai Rear
  • Score: -13

11:36pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Strider says...

volunteerwales wrote:
cath 872 I hope women s left there sun cream at home, so didn't bothered, anyway lets find out what this white guy is doing there, people like you on jawbreaker allowance, will stay home and do nothing but nags on government policies, why not keep mouth shut rather complain about everything. Well done guys, you never forget your creams :)
Have you been looking in the mirror and shouting at yourself again? I thought the nurse told you to stop doing that or she'd up your dosage and remove your bed pan privileges.. On a serious note what the hell are you on about no women in the photo as they forget they're sun cream?

Cath made a pertinent question you on the other hand are impertinent got lost!
[quote][p][bold]volunteerwales[/bold] wrote: cath 872 I hope women s left there sun cream at home, so didn't bothered, anyway lets find out what this white guy is doing there, people like you on jawbreaker allowance, will stay home and do nothing but nags on government policies, why not keep mouth shut rather complain about everything. Well done guys, you never forget your creams :)[/p][/quote]Have you been looking in the mirror and shouting at yourself again? I thought the nurse told you to stop doing that or she'd up your dosage and remove your bed pan privileges.. On a serious note what the hell are you on about no women in the photo as they forget they're sun cream? Cath made a pertinent question you on the other hand are impertinent got lost! Strider
  • Score: 1

4:56am Thu 17 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

Dai Rear wrote:
"like everybody else, must get so sick and tired of their religion being linked to terrorism and events in distant countries"
The day that the Archbishop of Canterbury starts preaching along the lines of some of those who have preached at the Al-Manar Centre in Glynrhondda Street Cardiff you'll start to be right Wildethoughts. In the meantime I suggest stop sneering about the newspapers you (wrongly) perceive others not as "refined" as yourself to read and think why feelings about the Mohammedan Religion in Wales have developed since 2000, and no, it's not because anyone has told us to think anything.
Dai Rear, grate idea !
would you be able to request Archbishop of Canterbury to come and join the Imam of first Mosque in London{london Mosque}, and the Imam of biggest Mosque in western Europe{baitul fatuh Mosque}. for a call of peace and harmony in the society. both mosques belongs to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, and call for peace and love 5 times a day.
The live sermon of our worldwide leader broadcasts on sky channel 786 and www.mta.tv every Friday at 13:00 hrs, which is a call of peace in a nutshell.
I am extremely sorry, that I am only able to help contacting an Imam of a mosque belongs to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.
We will fully support if you are looking for this kind of event here in wales ? :
http://www.loveforal
lhatredfornone.org/t
he-conference-of-wor
ld-religions/
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "like everybody else, must get so sick and tired of their religion being linked to terrorism and events in distant countries" The day that the Archbishop of Canterbury starts preaching along the lines of some of those who have preached at the Al-Manar Centre in Glynrhondda Street Cardiff you'll start to be right Wildethoughts. In the meantime I suggest stop sneering about the newspapers you (wrongly) perceive others not as "refined" as yourself to read and think why feelings about the Mohammedan Religion in Wales have developed since 2000, and no, it's not because anyone has told us to think anything.[/p][/quote]Dai Rear, grate idea ! would you be able to request Archbishop of Canterbury to come and join the Imam of first Mosque in London{london Mosque}, and the Imam of biggest Mosque in western Europe{baitul fatuh Mosque}. for a call of peace and harmony in the society. both mosques belongs to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, and call for peace and love 5 times a day. The live sermon of our worldwide leader broadcasts on sky channel 786 and www.mta.tv every Friday at 13:00 hrs, which is a call of peace in a nutshell. I am extremely sorry, that I am only able to help contacting an Imam of a mosque belongs to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. We will fully support if you are looking for this kind of event here in wales ? : http://www.loveforal lhatredfornone.org/t he-conference-of-wor ld-religions/ saleemdine
  • Score: 6

5:12am Thu 17 Jul 14

bow2010 says...

Strider says...
""""Cath made a pertinent question you on the other hand are impertinent got lost!"""
Strider, cath spent 10 miserable years with a Muslim guy, how you are getting on ?
if they bring 11 female, will it satisfy your call of equality, and you will start supporting the campaign ?
Be honest, what do you want ?
I believe on Jesus, support every call of peace , from anyone, will you ?
Strider says... """"Cath made a pertinent question you on the other hand are impertinent got lost!""" Strider, cath spent 10 miserable years with a Muslim guy, how you are getting on ? if they bring 11 female, will it satisfy your call of equality, and you will start supporting the campaign ? Be honest, what do you want ? I believe on Jesus, support every call of peace , from anyone, will you ? bow2010
  • Score: -2

12:08am Fri 18 Jul 14

Strider says...

bow2010 wrote:
Strider says...
""""Cath made a pertinent question you on the other hand are impertinent got lost!"""
Strider, cath spent 10 miserable years with a Muslim guy, how you are getting on ?
if they bring 11 female, will it satisfy your call of equality, and you will start supporting the campaign ?
Be honest, what do you want ?
I believe on Jesus, support every call of peace , from anyone, will you ?
To me equality should also encompasses gender/transgender and disability.. The comments of Volunteer Wales insulting Cath and saying "why's there a white guy in the picture" seem to go against that equality

I wish you all the best as your doing something positive for the community.. And yes I do support the cause and anything that brings people closer together is surely a worthy pursuit
[quote][p][bold]bow2010[/bold] wrote: Strider says... """"Cath made a pertinent question you on the other hand are impertinent got lost!""" Strider, cath spent 10 miserable years with a Muslim guy, how you are getting on ? if they bring 11 female, will it satisfy your call of equality, and you will start supporting the campaign ? Be honest, what do you want ? I believe on Jesus, support every call of peace , from anyone, will you ?[/p][/quote]To me equality should also encompasses gender/transgender and disability.. The comments of Volunteer Wales insulting Cath and saying "why's there a white guy in the picture" seem to go against that equality I wish you all the best as your doing something positive for the community.. And yes I do support the cause and anything that brings people closer together is surely a worthy pursuit Strider
  • Score: 0

4:39am Fri 18 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

Strider, working on common grounds and value, such as love and peace is far easy to start working rather trying to resolve issues and arguments, however It is really nice to hear that people like you will step ahead on every call for love and peace, if not join , at least supporting it is our moral responsibility. There are so many of these campaigns and little efforts on www.loveforallhatred
fornone.org which you may also like to support. In wales and especially in gwent, if you have an idea to spread love and peace in the community please call 01633508308 or email info.newport@ahmadiy
yauk.org
Strider, working on common grounds and value, such as love and peace is far easy to start working rather trying to resolve issues and arguments, however It is really nice to hear that people like you will step ahead on every call for love and peace, if not join , at least supporting it is our moral responsibility. There are so many of these campaigns and little efforts on www.loveforallhatred fornone.org which you may also like to support. In wales and especially in gwent, if you have an idea to spread love and peace in the community please call 01633508308 or email info.newport@ahmadiy yauk.org saleemdine
  • Score: 0

8:25am Fri 18 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

saleemdine wrote:
Strider, working on common grounds and value, such as love and peace is far easy to start working rather trying to resolve issues and arguments, however It is really nice to hear that people like you will step ahead on every call for love and peace, if not join , at least supporting it is our moral responsibility. There are so many of these campaigns and little efforts on www.loveforallhatred

fornone.org which you may also like to support. In wales and especially in gwent, if you have an idea to spread love and peace in the community please call 01633508308 or email info.newport@ahmadiy

yauk.org
Just one specific. Rushdie is a tiresome "Hampstead Thinker" I'll allow but the "murder him and you'll get religious Brownie points" was just about the most egregious piece of cretinism that any civilised person will ever hear.
What did the Ahmadiyaa Muslim Association go public and say about that at the time?
[quote][p][bold]saleemdine[/bold] wrote: Strider, working on common grounds and value, such as love and peace is far easy to start working rather trying to resolve issues and arguments, however It is really nice to hear that people like you will step ahead on every call for love and peace, if not join , at least supporting it is our moral responsibility. There are so many of these campaigns and little efforts on www.loveforallhatred fornone.org which you may also like to support. In wales and especially in gwent, if you have an idea to spread love and peace in the community please call 01633508308 or email info.newport@ahmadiy yauk.org[/p][/quote]Just one specific. Rushdie is a tiresome "Hampstead Thinker" I'll allow but the "murder him and you'll get religious Brownie points" was just about the most egregious piece of cretinism that any civilised person will ever hear. What did the Ahmadiyaa Muslim Association go public and say about that at the time? Dai Rear
  • Score: -10

10:42am Fri 18 Jul 14

welshmen says...

saleemdine wrote:
Strider, working on common grounds and value, such as love and peace is far easy to start working rather trying to resolve issues and arguments, however It is really nice to hear that people like you will step ahead on every call for love and peace, if not join , at least supporting it is our moral responsibility. There are so many of these campaigns and little efforts on www.loveforallhatred

fornone.org which you may also like to support. In wales and especially in gwent, if you have an idea to spread love and peace in the community please call 01633508308 or email info.newport@ahmadiy

yauk.org
All this love care and peace campaign, does this mean that the Ahmadiyaa Muslim Association members are going to marry into the British Culture and Indigenous British citizens?, or is it just more of the same, the I want to live in peace attitude, but as I have said time and time again action speaks louder than your repetitive words, just say we go along with your theme, what happens many years down the line when Muslims are the majority in our country simply by out breeding the Indigenous British, your then our Government making our Laws, do we then all live under Sharia Law? look forward to your reply saleemdine....
[quote][p][bold]saleemdine[/bold] wrote: Strider, working on common grounds and value, such as love and peace is far easy to start working rather trying to resolve issues and arguments, however It is really nice to hear that people like you will step ahead on every call for love and peace, if not join , at least supporting it is our moral responsibility. There are so many of these campaigns and little efforts on www.loveforallhatred fornone.org which you may also like to support. In wales and especially in gwent, if you have an idea to spread love and peace in the community please call 01633508308 or email info.newport@ahmadiy yauk.org[/p][/quote]All this love care and peace campaign, does this mean that the Ahmadiyaa Muslim Association members are going to marry into the British Culture and Indigenous British citizens?, or is it just more of the same, the I want to live in peace attitude, but as I have said time and time again action speaks louder than your repetitive words, just say we go along with your theme, what happens many years down the line when Muslims are the majority in our country simply by out breeding the Indigenous British, your then our Government making our Laws, do we then all live under Sharia Law? look forward to your reply saleemdine.... welshmen
  • Score: -7

11:42am Fri 18 Jul 14

bow2010 says...

Islam will take over Europe without violent force within a few decades, said Libyan Leader Moammar Gadhafi in a speech aired on the Arab satellite network Al Jazeera.

“We have 50 million Muslims in Europe,” Gadhafi said. “There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe – without swords, without guns, without conquests. The 50 million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.”

If Turkey is added to the European Union, the Libyan leader said, Europe will have another 50 million Muslims.

Albania, a Muslim-majority country, and Bosnia, which is half Muslim, also appear to be on their way to EU membership.

“Europe is in a predicament, and so is America,” Gadhafi said. “They should agree to become Islamic in the course of time, or else declare war on the Muslims.”

Excerpts of Gadhafi’s speech, broadcast April 10, were translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI. A video clip of the speech can by viewed online.

Gadhafi emphasized Muslims view Muhammad the prophet not only of the Arabs or Muslims but “of all people.”

“He superseded all previous religions,” Gadhafi said. “If Jesus were alive when Muhammad was sent, he would have followed him. All people must be Muslims.”

He said Christians believe Muhammad is not their prophet because their holy texts “are forged and call for hatred.”

“The so-called Old Testament and New Testament are neither Old Testament nor New Testament – because both testaments were superseded, and they are forged,” he said. “They were written by hand hundreds of years after Jesus.”

Gadhafi continued: “In the Bible there are things that are inappropriate for both Jesus and Moses. If we want to mend the state of humanity, and live in a global village, because of the globalization, we must search for the true Bible, because the Bible that exists today is a forgery. Today’s Bible does not mention Muhammad, whereas our Lord’s Bible mentions Muhammad repeatedly.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2
006/05/35992/#UV6Jbf
QCwyXq6iHB.99
Islam will take over Europe without violent force within a few decades, said Libyan Leader Moammar Gadhafi in a speech aired on the Arab satellite network Al Jazeera. “We have 50 million Muslims in Europe,” Gadhafi said. “There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe – without swords, without guns, without conquests. The 50 million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.” If Turkey is added to the European Union, the Libyan leader said, Europe will have another 50 million Muslims. Albania, a Muslim-majority country, and Bosnia, which is half Muslim, also appear to be on their way to EU membership. “Europe is in a predicament, and so is America,” Gadhafi said. “They should agree to become Islamic in the course of time, or else declare war on the Muslims.” Excerpts of Gadhafi’s speech, broadcast April 10, were translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI. A video clip of the speech can by viewed online. Gadhafi emphasized Muslims view Muhammad the prophet not only of the Arabs or Muslims but “of all people.” “He superseded all previous religions,” Gadhafi said. “If Jesus were alive when Muhammad was sent, he would have followed him. All people must be Muslims.” He said Christians believe Muhammad is not their prophet because their holy texts “are forged and call for hatred.” “The so-called Old Testament and New Testament are neither Old Testament nor New Testament – because both testaments were superseded, and they are forged,” he said. “They were written by hand hundreds of years after Jesus.” Gadhafi continued: “In the Bible there are things that are inappropriate for both Jesus and Moses. If we want to mend the state of humanity, and live in a global village, because of the globalization, we must search for the true Bible, because the Bible that exists today is a forgery. Today’s Bible does not mention Muhammad, whereas our Lord’s Bible mentions Muhammad repeatedly.” Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2 006/05/35992/#UV6Jbf QCwyXq6iHB.99 bow2010
  • Score: 1

12:25pm Fri 18 Jul 14

sweetiepie says...

Saqib iqbal wrote:
@Cath we had ladies there, the only difference was that they were with the other guests to keep them some company and answer any questions they had. I hope that clears why ladies couldn't join us in the picture.
"...clears why the ladies COULDN'T join us in the picture."

Says it all really!
[quote][p][bold]Saqib iqbal[/bold] wrote: @Cath we had ladies there, the only difference was that they were with the other guests to keep them some company and answer any questions they had. I hope that clears why ladies couldn't join us in the picture.[/p][/quote]"...clears why the ladies COULDN'T join us in the picture." Says it all really! sweetiepie
  • Score: 1

4:13pm Fri 18 Jul 14

welshmen says...

bow2010 wrote:
Islam will take over Europe without violent force within a few decades, said Libyan Leader Moammar Gadhafi in a speech aired on the Arab satellite network Al Jazeera.

“We have 50 million Muslims in Europe,” Gadhafi said. “There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe – without swords, without guns, without conquests. The 50 million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.”

If Turkey is added to the European Union, the Libyan leader said, Europe will have another 50 million Muslims.

Albania, a Muslim-majority country, and Bosnia, which is half Muslim, also appear to be on their way to EU membership.

“Europe is in a predicament, and so is America,” Gadhafi said. “They should agree to become Islamic in the course of time, or else declare war on the Muslims.”

Excerpts of Gadhafi’s speech, broadcast April 10, were translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI. A video clip of the speech can by viewed online.

Gadhafi emphasized Muslims view Muhammad the prophet not only of the Arabs or Muslims but “of all people.”

“He superseded all previous religions,” Gadhafi said. “If Jesus were alive when Muhammad was sent, he would have followed him. All people must be Muslims.”

He said Christians believe Muhammad is not their prophet because their holy texts “are forged and call for hatred.”

“The so-called Old Testament and New Testament are neither Old Testament nor New Testament – because both testaments were superseded, and they are forged,” he said. “They were written by hand hundreds of years after Jesus.”

Gadhafi continued: “In the Bible there are things that are inappropriate for both Jesus and Moses. If we want to mend the state of humanity, and live in a global village, because of the globalization, we must search for the true Bible, because the Bible that exists today is a forgery. Today’s Bible does not mention Muhammad, whereas our Lord’s Bible mentions Muhammad repeatedly.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2

006/05/35992/#UV6Jbf

QCwyXq6iHB.99
Islam will take over Europe without violent force within a few decades, said Libyan Leader Moammar Gadhafi, I say: yes and he's dead, We have 50 million Muslims in Europe,” Gadhafi said. I say: and 80% are on welfare living off the Kaffur,They should agree to become Islamic in the course of time, or else declare war on the Muslims. I say: and that will happen, sooner not latter, He said Christians believe Muhammad is not their prophet because their holy texts “are forged and call for hatred.” I say: I think that's the Qur'an the dead man speaks about, you keep believing your Imam....he speaks a lot of kitman & taqiyya..

This is day 21 of Ramadan ....Below in the Name of the Religion of Peace

Terror Attacks...164.

Suicide Bombings...20.

Dead Bodies...1216.

Wounded...1073.

Enjoy your evening meal....
[quote][p][bold]bow2010[/bold] wrote: Islam will take over Europe without violent force within a few decades, said Libyan Leader Moammar Gadhafi in a speech aired on the Arab satellite network Al Jazeera. “We have 50 million Muslims in Europe,” Gadhafi said. “There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe – without swords, without guns, without conquests. The 50 million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.” If Turkey is added to the European Union, the Libyan leader said, Europe will have another 50 million Muslims. Albania, a Muslim-majority country, and Bosnia, which is half Muslim, also appear to be on their way to EU membership. “Europe is in a predicament, and so is America,” Gadhafi said. “They should agree to become Islamic in the course of time, or else declare war on the Muslims.” Excerpts of Gadhafi’s speech, broadcast April 10, were translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI. A video clip of the speech can by viewed online. Gadhafi emphasized Muslims view Muhammad the prophet not only of the Arabs or Muslims but “of all people.” “He superseded all previous religions,” Gadhafi said. “If Jesus were alive when Muhammad was sent, he would have followed him. All people must be Muslims.” He said Christians believe Muhammad is not their prophet because their holy texts “are forged and call for hatred.” “The so-called Old Testament and New Testament are neither Old Testament nor New Testament – because both testaments were superseded, and they are forged,” he said. “They were written by hand hundreds of years after Jesus.” Gadhafi continued: “In the Bible there are things that are inappropriate for both Jesus and Moses. If we want to mend the state of humanity, and live in a global village, because of the globalization, we must search for the true Bible, because the Bible that exists today is a forgery. Today’s Bible does not mention Muhammad, whereas our Lord’s Bible mentions Muhammad repeatedly.” Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2 006/05/35992/#UV6Jbf QCwyXq6iHB.99[/p][/quote]Islam will take over Europe without violent force within a few decades, said Libyan Leader Moammar Gadhafi, I say: yes and he's dead, We have 50 million Muslims in Europe,” Gadhafi said. I say: and 80% are on welfare living off the Kaffur,They should agree to become Islamic in the course of time, or else declare war on the Muslims. I say: and that will happen, sooner not latter, He said Christians believe Muhammad is not their prophet because their holy texts “are forged and call for hatred.” I say: I think that's the Qur'an the dead man speaks about, you keep believing your Imam....he speaks a lot of kitman & taqiyya.. This is day 21 of Ramadan ....Below in the Name of the Religion of Peace Terror Attacks...164. Suicide Bombings...20. Dead Bodies...1216. Wounded...1073. Enjoy your evening meal.... welshmen
  • Score: -1

7:02pm Fri 18 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

welshman, unfortunately we have to believe statistics, NOT YOU!
European Muslims have much more loyalty to the countries they live in than is generally believed, a survey says.
The report by Gallup and the Coexist Foundation says 77% of British Muslims identified with the UK, compared with 50% of the general public.
Full story:
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk/8038398.st
m
welshman, unfortunately we have to believe statistics, NOT YOU! European Muslims have much more loyalty to the countries they live in than is generally believed, a survey says. The report by Gallup and the Coexist Foundation says 77% of British Muslims identified with the UK, compared with 50% of the general public. Full story: http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/8038398.st m saleemdine
  • Score: 0

7:05pm Fri 18 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

European Muslims have much more loyalty to the countries they live in than is generally believed, a survey says.

The report by Gallup and the Coexist Foundation says 77% of British Muslims identified with the UK, compared with 50% of the general public.

There was a similar finding in Germany, the survey says.

The authors say their report counters a commonly-held view that measures to combat Islamic militancy may have alienated many European Muslims.

"This research shows that many of the assumptions about Muslims and integration are wide of the mark," said Dalia Mogahed of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies and co-author of the report.

"European Muslims want to be part of the wider community and contribute even more to society," she said.

The findings of the report are surprising, because since the 11 September attacks in the US commentators have repeatedly questioned the loyalties of European Muslims to the countries they live in, the BBC's Rob Broomby says.

The research - which focused mainly on European Muslims in Britain, France and Germany - polled around 500 Muslims and 1,000 members of the general public in each country.

'Isolated'

In Britain, the report found that more than three-quarters of Muslims identified with the country and its institutions - far more even than the general population did.

But whereas the vast majority of British Muslims (82%) felt Muslims were loyal citizens, the general public remained suspicious of them.

In Germany, 40% of Muslims identified with the country against 32% of the wider public.

German Muslims were also found far more likely than the general public to have confidence in the judicial system, financial institutions and the honesty of elections.

They had higher levels of confidence in their national government than society as a whole, but much less faith in the media.

In France, 52% of Muslims identified with the country, compared with 55% of the general public.

However, the report found that French Muslims had much less confidence in the nation's institutions, including police.

The survey also said that European Muslims felt far more isolated than those living in the United States and Canada.
European Muslims have much more loyalty to the countries they live in than is generally believed, a survey says. The report by Gallup and the Coexist Foundation says 77% of British Muslims identified with the UK, compared with 50% of the general public. There was a similar finding in Germany, the survey says. The authors say their report counters a commonly-held view that measures to combat Islamic militancy may have alienated many European Muslims. "This research shows that many of the assumptions about Muslims and integration are wide of the mark," said Dalia Mogahed of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies and co-author of the report. "European Muslims want to be part of the wider community and contribute even more to society," she said. The findings of the report are surprising, because since the 11 September attacks in the US commentators have repeatedly questioned the loyalties of European Muslims to the countries they live in, the BBC's Rob Broomby says. The research - which focused mainly on European Muslims in Britain, France and Germany - polled around 500 Muslims and 1,000 members of the general public in each country. 'Isolated' In Britain, the report found that more than three-quarters of Muslims identified with the country and its institutions - far more even than the general population did. But whereas the vast majority of British Muslims (82%) felt Muslims were loyal citizens, the general public remained suspicious of them. In Germany, 40% of Muslims identified with the country against 32% of the wider public. German Muslims were also found far more likely than the general public to have confidence in the judicial system, financial institutions and the honesty of elections. They had higher levels of confidence in their national government than society as a whole, but much less faith in the media. In France, 52% of Muslims identified with the country, compared with 55% of the general public. However, the report found that French Muslims had much less confidence in the nation's institutions, including police. The survey also said that European Muslims felt far more isolated than those living in the United States and Canada. saleemdine
  • Score: 0

8:17pm Fri 18 Jul 14

welshmen says...

saleemdine wrote:
European Muslims have much more loyalty to the countries they live in than is generally believed, a survey says.

The report by Gallup and the Coexist Foundation says 77% of British Muslims identified with the UK, compared with 50% of the general public.

There was a similar finding in Germany, the survey says.

The authors say their report counters a commonly-held view that measures to combat Islamic militancy may have alienated many European Muslims.

"This research shows that many of the assumptions about Muslims and integration are wide of the mark," said Dalia Mogahed of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies and co-author of the report.

"European Muslims want to be part of the wider community and contribute even more to society," she said.

The findings of the report are surprising, because since the 11 September attacks in the US commentators have repeatedly questioned the loyalties of European Muslims to the countries they live in, the BBC's Rob Broomby says.

The research - which focused mainly on European Muslims in Britain, France and Germany - polled around 500 Muslims and 1,000 members of the general public in each country.

'Isolated'

In Britain, the report found that more than three-quarters of Muslims identified with the country and its institutions - far more even than the general population did.

But whereas the vast majority of British Muslims (82%) felt Muslims were loyal citizens, the general public remained suspicious of them.

In Germany, 40% of Muslims identified with the country against 32% of the wider public.

German Muslims were also found far more likely than the general public to have confidence in the judicial system, financial institutions and the honesty of elections.

They had higher levels of confidence in their national government than society as a whole, but much less faith in the media.

In France, 52% of Muslims identified with the country, compared with 55% of the general public.

However, the report found that French Muslims had much less confidence in the nation's institutions, including police.

The survey also said that European Muslims felt far more isolated than those living in the United States and Canada.
Saleemdine:
you haven't answered my 10:42 post of today why? simple questions.

Where Islam is "Misunderstood", Saleemdine, as to your statistics your proud to post, the people of these Countries below probably wouldn't agree with your assumption that your Religion is Peaceful and
for some very odd reason the perfect religion of Islam
is routinely "misunderstood" each and every day as you try to prove it's not the truth. Hamas show a couple of persons dead, they say killed by the IDF in Gazza, yet a couple of weeks ago the same couple were killed by Assad in Syria, unless your teachings change, Muslims will never find peace or be trusted anywhere in non Islamic Countries....

Twenty Three Thousand Four Hundred and twenty four Islamic Terror attacks Since 9/11, terrorism in the name of Allah occurs in:

India and the Sudan and Algeria and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Arkansas and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Georgia and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Illinois and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Afghanistan and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and Argentina and Mali and Angola and the Ukraine and Uganda and North Carolina and Germany and Arizona and Lebanon and Iran and Kazakhstan and Sweden and Azerbaijan and Iraq and Scotland and Macedonia and Bulgaria and Cameroon and Massachusetts and Djibouti and pretty much wherever Islam is taken seriously, do you have any statistics for these Countries, showing how much love they have for Islam...

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who
are near to you, and let them find harshness in you,
and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty"
Qur'an Sura: 123.... and that Sura say's it all really....

And finally, If you feel isolated as you have assumed in most English or European speaking Countries why don't you with respect go and live in an Islamic State, you can do as your teaching's instruct you to do, also live by your Qur'an's Sharia Law....Peace....
[quote][p][bold]saleemdine[/bold] wrote: European Muslims have much more loyalty to the countries they live in than is generally believed, a survey says. The report by Gallup and the Coexist Foundation says 77% of British Muslims identified with the UK, compared with 50% of the general public. There was a similar finding in Germany, the survey says. The authors say their report counters a commonly-held view that measures to combat Islamic militancy may have alienated many European Muslims. "This research shows that many of the assumptions about Muslims and integration are wide of the mark," said Dalia Mogahed of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies and co-author of the report. "European Muslims want to be part of the wider community and contribute even more to society," she said. The findings of the report are surprising, because since the 11 September attacks in the US commentators have repeatedly questioned the loyalties of European Muslims to the countries they live in, the BBC's Rob Broomby says. The research - which focused mainly on European Muslims in Britain, France and Germany - polled around 500 Muslims and 1,000 members of the general public in each country. 'Isolated' In Britain, the report found that more than three-quarters of Muslims identified with the country and its institutions - far more even than the general population did. But whereas the vast majority of British Muslims (82%) felt Muslims were loyal citizens, the general public remained suspicious of them. In Germany, 40% of Muslims identified with the country against 32% of the wider public. German Muslims were also found far more likely than the general public to have confidence in the judicial system, financial institutions and the honesty of elections. They had higher levels of confidence in their national government than society as a whole, but much less faith in the media. In France, 52% of Muslims identified with the country, compared with 55% of the general public. However, the report found that French Muslims had much less confidence in the nation's institutions, including police. The survey also said that European Muslims felt far more isolated than those living in the United States and Canada.[/p][/quote]Saleemdine: you haven't answered my 10:42 post of today why? simple questions. Where Islam is "Misunderstood", Saleemdine, as to your statistics your proud to post, the people of these Countries below probably wouldn't agree with your assumption that your Religion is Peaceful and for some very odd reason the perfect religion of Islam is routinely "misunderstood" each and every day as you try to prove it's not the truth. Hamas show a couple of persons dead, they say killed by the IDF in Gazza, yet a couple of weeks ago the same couple were killed by Assad in Syria, unless your teachings change, Muslims will never find peace or be trusted anywhere in non Islamic Countries.... Twenty Three Thousand Four Hundred and twenty four Islamic Terror attacks Since 9/11, terrorism in the name of Allah occurs in: India and the Sudan and Algeria and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Arkansas and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Georgia and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Illinois and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Afghanistan and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and Argentina and Mali and Angola and the Ukraine and Uganda and North Carolina and Germany and Arizona and Lebanon and Iran and Kazakhstan and Sweden and Azerbaijan and Iraq and Scotland and Macedonia and Bulgaria and Cameroon and Massachusetts and Djibouti and pretty much wherever Islam is taken seriously, do you have any statistics for these Countries, showing how much love they have for Islam... "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty" Qur'an Sura: 123.... and that Sura say's it all really.... And finally, If you feel isolated as you have assumed in most English or European speaking Countries why don't you with respect go and live in an Islamic State, you can do as your teaching's instruct you to do, also live by your Qur'an's Sharia Law....Peace.... welshmen
  • Score: 0

12:21am Sat 19 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

welshman, if you are interested proposing a muslim women, I hope no religion should stop you, however do consider taking advice from cath 872 beforehand.
Islam which means peace and forgiveness, teaches certain principles to establish law and order in the society as well.
if you can reference the Quranic verses properly, I will try my best to answer what is the meaning. and what is contest.
Neither Islam nor any religion can be held responsible for a single atrocity going on in these countries.
Religion will be used, and very unfortunately abused in Ireland, middle east, affrica and asia. If you go through history you will always find a political motive, or a territorial gain behind a war or conflict.
just take the world war 1 and 2, millions of deaths, does religion responsible, No, Not at All!
welshman, if you are interested proposing a muslim women, I hope no religion should stop you, however do consider taking advice from cath 872 beforehand. Islam which means peace and forgiveness, teaches certain principles to establish law and order in the society as well. if you can reference the Quranic verses properly, I will try my best to answer what is the meaning. and what is contest. Neither Islam nor any religion can be held responsible for a single atrocity going on in these countries. Religion will be used, and very unfortunately abused in Ireland, middle east, affrica and asia. If you go through history you will always find a political motive, or a territorial gain behind a war or conflict. just take the world war 1 and 2, millions of deaths, does religion responsible, No, Not at All! saleemdine
  • Score: 0

2:12am Sat 19 Jul 14

bari_malik says...

Dear all Ahmadiyya Muslim Association launched this campaign to spread the message of peace and tolerance to create one point common agenda to unite all human beings belongs to any religion and I can see that no one is opposing this slogan which shows the success of this campaign but some of us are trying to change the topic and started discussion of women equality in Islam although Islam confers on women all the political and social rights, which man enjoys. She is entitled to all the privileges bestowed upon man. Beside worldly matters, women are also equal to men in the spiritual sense. Allah says in the Quran:

Surely, men who submit themselves to GOD and women who submit themselves to HIM, and believing men and believing women, and obedient men and obedient women, and truthful men and truthful women, and men steadfast in their faith and steadfast women, and men who are humble and women who are humble, and men who give alms and women who give alms, and men who fast and women who fast, and men who guard their chastity and women who guard their chastity and men who remember ALLAH much and women who remember HIM - ALLAH has prepared for all of them forgiveness and a great reward (33:36)
This verse makes it clear that Muslim women stand on the same level with Muslim men and that they can attain to all those spiritual heights to which men can attain. At several places in the Quran, believing men and believing women are addressed in the same language and are made equally subject to the same commandments and entitled to the same rights and privileges.
So, I again invite all of you to unite on this one common agenda and let’s make this world more peaceful.
Dear all Ahmadiyya Muslim Association launched this campaign to spread the message of peace and tolerance to create one point common agenda to unite all human beings belongs to any religion and I can see that no one is opposing this slogan which shows the success of this campaign but some of us are trying to change the topic and started discussion of women equality in Islam although Islam confers on women all the political and social rights, which man enjoys. She is entitled to all the privileges bestowed upon man. Beside worldly matters, women are also equal to men in the spiritual sense. Allah says in the Quran: Surely, men who submit themselves to GOD and women who submit themselves to HIM, and believing men and believing women, and obedient men and obedient women, and truthful men and truthful women, and men steadfast in their faith and steadfast women, and men who are humble and women who are humble, and men who give alms and women who give alms, and men who fast and women who fast, and men who guard their chastity and women who guard their chastity and men who remember ALLAH much and women who remember HIM - ALLAH has prepared for all of them forgiveness and a great reward (33:36) This verse makes it clear that Muslim women stand on the same level with Muslim men and that they can attain to all those spiritual heights to which men can attain. At several places in the Quran, believing men and believing women are addressed in the same language and are made equally subject to the same commandments and entitled to the same rights and privileges. So, I again invite all of you to unite on this one common agenda and let’s make this world more peaceful. bari_malik
  • Score: 0

4:21am Sat 19 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

I take it from your silence on the subject gentlemen that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association had NOTHING to say about the Mohammedan incitement to murder Rushdie. Your silence says it all, doesn't it gentlemen?
I take it from your silence on the subject gentlemen that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association had NOTHING to say about the Mohammedan incitement to murder Rushdie. Your silence says it all, doesn't it gentlemen? Dai Rear
  • Score: -9

6:53am Sat 19 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

Dai Rear wrote:
I take it from your silence on the subject gentlemen that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association had NOTHING to say about the Mohammedan incitement to murder Rushdie. Your silence says it all, doesn't it gentlemen?
Dai Rear, Islam, the religion of peace, Muhammad the greatest prophet of forgiveness and blessing, and the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association has NOTHING do with the incitement of violence, murder or extremism. I would also like to keep reiterate my request of addressing religious leaders, especially the holly prophet, with dignity and respect.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: I take it from your silence on the subject gentlemen that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association had NOTHING to say about the Mohammedan incitement to murder Rushdie. Your silence says it all, doesn't it gentlemen?[/p][/quote]Dai Rear, Islam, the religion of peace, Muhammad the greatest prophet of forgiveness and blessing, and the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association has NOTHING do with the incitement of violence, murder or extremism. I would also like to keep reiterate my request of addressing religious leaders, especially the holly prophet, with dignity and respect. saleemdine
  • Score: 6

8:12am Sat 19 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

When something is done in your name, that is in the name of your faith, and you deem it to be wicked as the "fatwah" on Rusdie undoubtedly was, are you not beholden to speak out against the wickedness? "Not me guv" isn't good enough, is it? And the word you seek is "holy". "Holly" is a plant.
When something is done in your name, that is in the name of your faith, and you deem it to be wicked as the "fatwah" on Rusdie undoubtedly was, are you not beholden to speak out against the wickedness? "Not me guv" isn't good enough, is it? And the word you seek is "holy". "Holly" is a plant. Dai Rear
  • Score: -15

10:17am Sat 19 Jul 14

welshmen says...

In my opinion and millions of British born and bred, have this educated belief that Islam is a cult ideology, has more faces than a bucket full of bats, your instructed from birth to death and how to deal with non-believers, your not true immigrants your colonisers, your only making Kaffur friends to further your spread of Islam until your the majority, your faith has no tolerance just to breed more and rule, as posted on here by bow2010, something we all know.

ISSI has declared their captured part of Iraq is now the ISSI State, same as Muslims accuse Israel of doing, yet because it's your faith it's all OK, all the post's I have put on here for the Muslims to engage have been ignored, or not answered, you need to practice what you write on the bus, or is it just a Muslim PR stunt, all the leaders their for the photo shoot, no woman their for the photo, if as you say woman are treated equal why no woman pictures, typical Islam not worthy only the dominant men, it's all kitman & taqiyya,nothing any of you Muslims have posted doesn't even sound like you mean what your advertising on that bus....I think it's back to the drawing board for you....
In my opinion and millions of British born and bred, have this educated belief that Islam is a cult ideology, has more faces than a bucket full of bats, your instructed from birth to death and how to deal with non-believers, your not true immigrants your colonisers, your only making Kaffur friends to further your spread of Islam until your the majority, your faith has no tolerance just to breed more and rule, as posted on here by bow2010, something we all know. ISSI has declared their captured part of Iraq is now the ISSI State, same as Muslims accuse Israel of doing, yet because it's your faith it's all OK, all the post's I have put on here for the Muslims to engage have been ignored, or not answered, you need to practice what you write on the bus, or is it just a Muslim PR stunt, all the leaders their for the photo shoot, no woman their for the photo, if as you say woman are treated equal why no woman pictures, typical Islam not worthy only the dominant men, it's all kitman & taqiyya,nothing any of you Muslims have posted doesn't even sound like you mean what your advertising on that bus....I think it's back to the drawing board for you.... welshmen
  • Score: -8

4:54pm Sat 19 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

Dai Rear wrote:
When something is done in your name, that is in the name of your faith, and you deem it to be wicked as the "fatwah" on Rusdie undoubtedly was, are you not beholden to speak out against the wickedness? "Not me guv" isn't good enough, is it? And the word you seek is "holy". "Holly" is a plant.
Dai, many thanks for correction.
The Islam , religion of peace, and the prophet Muhammad came for the whole mankind. whole mankind is not a constitute of angels. And every one is accountable at the day of judgment. I like the principle, Do You! ?
The bus peace campaign is again the wickedness !
there are so many peace campaigns and details of the charitable project we are all details are here : www.loveforallhatred
fornone.org
You can easily find a lot of women pictures in those events.
Islam is a true religion, and we have a moral responsibility to spread it. People having fear of GOD and good faith, will accept it.
You do not be a muslim, however you can still join us serving humanity on a number of projects around the globe :
humanityfirst.org
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: When something is done in your name, that is in the name of your faith, and you deem it to be wicked as the "fatwah" on Rusdie undoubtedly was, are you not beholden to speak out against the wickedness? "Not me guv" isn't good enough, is it? And the word you seek is "holy". "Holly" is a plant.[/p][/quote]Dai, many thanks for correction. The Islam , religion of peace, and the prophet Muhammad came for the whole mankind. whole mankind is not a constitute of angels. And every one is accountable at the day of judgment. I like the principle, Do You! ? The bus peace campaign is again the wickedness ! there are so many peace campaigns and details of the charitable project we are all details are here : www.loveforallhatred fornone.org You can easily find a lot of women pictures in those events. Islam is a true religion, and we have a moral responsibility to spread it. People having fear of GOD and good faith, will accept it. You do not be a muslim, however you can still join us serving humanity on a number of projects around the globe : humanityfirst.org saleemdine
  • Score: 8

5:16pm Sat 19 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

apologies, and correction in my last post, "the bus campaign is against the wickedness! " and all the atrocities, going on using the innocent religion of peace, Islam.
I am still very very, confused, you are not supporting the Bus peace campaign, however still worried about ISIS. we have to kill the evil with peace and love. there is no shortcut.
Spending your time on writing posts , I strongly believe You lot are really nice people, however couldn't decide who is following the real Islam.
Trust on Ahmadiyya Muslim Association and all of the charitable projects, they are not funded by any government or political organization. and we are not up to a piece of land and territory.
There is just one demand to support every good cause, such as this Bus campaign of peace.
apologies, and correction in my last post, "the bus campaign is against the wickedness! " and all the atrocities, going on using the innocent religion of peace, Islam. I am still very very, confused, you are not supporting the Bus peace campaign, however still worried about ISIS. we have to kill the evil with peace and love. there is no shortcut. Spending your time on writing posts , I strongly believe You lot are really nice people, however couldn't decide who is following the real Islam. Trust on Ahmadiyya Muslim Association and all of the charitable projects, they are not funded by any government or political organization. and we are not up to a piece of land and territory. There is just one demand to support every good cause, such as this Bus campaign of peace. saleemdine
  • Score: 7

5:28pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

I categorically condemn the part played by Israel in the Sabra and Shatila massacre and I am clear that those who carried out the massacre are not Christians in any sense that I could understand. OK. That's a categorical condemnation.
Over to you Saleemdine. Please categorically condemn the Rushdie fatwah on behalf of AMYA.
I categorically condemn the part played by Israel in the Sabra and Shatila massacre and I am clear that those who carried out the massacre are not Christians in any sense that I could understand. OK. That's a categorical condemnation. Over to you Saleemdine. Please categorically condemn the Rushdie fatwah on behalf of AMYA. Dai Rear
  • Score: -12

4:45am Sun 20 Jul 14

artsfan says...

welshmen wrote:
In my opinion and millions of British born and bred, have this educated belief that Islam is a cult ideology, has more faces than a bucket full of bats, your instructed from birth to death and how to deal with non-believers, your not true immigrants your colonisers, your only making Kaffur friends to further your spread of Islam until your the majority, your faith has no tolerance just to breed more and rule, as posted on here by bow2010, something we all know.

ISSI has declared their captured part of Iraq is now the ISSI State, same as Muslims accuse Israel of doing, yet because it's your faith it's all OK, all the post's I have put on here for the Muslims to engage have been ignored, or not answered, you need to practice what you write on the bus, or is it just a Muslim PR stunt, all the leaders their for the photo shoot, no woman their for the photo, if as you say woman are treated equal why no woman pictures, typical Islam not worthy only the dominant men, it's all kitman & taqiyya,nothing any of you Muslims have posted doesn't even sound like you mean what your advertising on that bus....I think it's back to the drawing board for you....
Welshmen, if you want to talk 'dominant men', talk about Catholic priests, paedophiles like Christian Jimmy Saville, and those in Westminster...
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: In my opinion and millions of British born and bred, have this educated belief that Islam is a cult ideology, has more faces than a bucket full of bats, your instructed from birth to death and how to deal with non-believers, your not true immigrants your colonisers, your only making Kaffur friends to further your spread of Islam until your the majority, your faith has no tolerance just to breed more and rule, as posted on here by bow2010, something we all know. ISSI has declared their captured part of Iraq is now the ISSI State, same as Muslims accuse Israel of doing, yet because it's your faith it's all OK, all the post's I have put on here for the Muslims to engage have been ignored, or not answered, you need to practice what you write on the bus, or is it just a Muslim PR stunt, all the leaders their for the photo shoot, no woman their for the photo, if as you say woman are treated equal why no woman pictures, typical Islam not worthy only the dominant men, it's all kitman & taqiyya,nothing any of you Muslims have posted doesn't even sound like you mean what your advertising on that bus....I think it's back to the drawing board for you....[/p][/quote]Welshmen, if you want to talk 'dominant men', talk about Catholic priests, paedophiles like Christian Jimmy Saville, and those in Westminster... artsfan
  • Score: 3

4:51am Sun 20 Jul 14

artsfan says...

saleemdine wrote:
apologies, and correction in my last post, "the bus campaign is against the wickedness! " and all the atrocities, going on using the innocent religion of peace, Islam.
I am still very very, confused, you are not supporting the Bus peace campaign, however still worried about ISIS. we have to kill the evil with peace and love. there is no shortcut.
Spending your time on writing posts , I strongly believe You lot are really nice people, however couldn't decide who is following the real Islam.
Trust on Ahmadiyya Muslim Association and all of the charitable projects, they are not funded by any government or political organization. and we are not up to a piece of land and territory.
There is just one demand to support every good cause, such as this Bus campaign of peace.
saleemdine, you are one of the really nice people. There are a couple of people posting on here however, who are probably BNP, NF or other fascist scum. Please don't compliment them!
[quote][p][bold]saleemdine[/bold] wrote: apologies, and correction in my last post, "the bus campaign is against the wickedness! " and all the atrocities, going on using the innocent religion of peace, Islam. I am still very very, confused, you are not supporting the Bus peace campaign, however still worried about ISIS. we have to kill the evil with peace and love. there is no shortcut. Spending your time on writing posts , I strongly believe You lot are really nice people, however couldn't decide who is following the real Islam. Trust on Ahmadiyya Muslim Association and all of the charitable projects, they are not funded by any government or political organization. and we are not up to a piece of land and territory. There is just one demand to support every good cause, such as this Bus campaign of peace.[/p][/quote]saleemdine, you are one of the really nice people. There are a couple of people posting on here however, who are probably BNP, NF or other fascist scum. Please don't compliment them! artsfan
  • Score: 10

7:23am Sun 20 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

"saleemdine, you are one of the really nice people"
Well we'll see, won't we, Stalin, when he comes back to us on the fatwah against Rushdie, who, I'd have thought would be someone you'd admire , being a leftist intellectual yourself (sorry about the oxymoron, folks)
"saleemdine, you are one of the really nice people" Well we'll see, won't we, Stalin, when he comes back to us on the fatwah against Rushdie, who, I'd have thought would be someone you'd admire , being a leftist intellectual yourself (sorry about the oxymoron, folks) Dai Rear
  • Score: -19

7:55am Sun 20 Jul 14

artsfan says...

Dai Rear wrote:
"saleemdine, you are one of the really nice people"
Well we'll see, won't we, Stalin, when he comes back to us on the fatwah against Rushdie, who, I'd have thought would be someone you'd admire , being a leftist intellectual yourself (sorry about the oxymoron, folks)
Reading the comments on here Dai Rear, it's clear to one and all that saleemdine wishes peace and you are the one trying to stir up racial hatred. I am anti-war, anti-borders and anti-NATO. It goes without saying that I am also anti-fascist. You don't really need to be intellectual to be any of these, just caring.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "saleemdine, you are one of the really nice people" Well we'll see, won't we, Stalin, when he comes back to us on the fatwah against Rushdie, who, I'd have thought would be someone you'd admire , being a leftist intellectual yourself (sorry about the oxymoron, folks)[/p][/quote]Reading the comments on here Dai Rear, it's clear to one and all that saleemdine wishes peace and you are the one trying to stir up racial hatred. I am anti-war, anti-borders and anti-NATO. It goes without saying that I am also anti-fascist. You don't really need to be intellectual to be any of these, just caring. artsfan
  • Score: 20

9:14am Sun 20 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

And as a great believer in motherhood and apple pie you were no doubt as outraged by the incitement to murder Salman Rushdie as I. let's just wait and see what saleemdine has to say on that subject before jumping to conclusions, shall we?
And as a great believer in motherhood and apple pie you were no doubt as outraged by the incitement to murder Salman Rushdie as I. let's just wait and see what saleemdine has to say on that subject before jumping to conclusions, shall we? Dai Rear
  • Score: -14

12:07pm Sun 20 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

Although, the topic here is the lunch of the bus peace campaign, which contains message www.loveforallhatred
fornone.org we will certainly come to this topic of salman Rushedie for the sake of your desire, however lets clear that you have found enough pictures of ladies on the above website, and you all support the peace and volunteer efforts shown and mentioned on this website by Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.
Although, the topic here is the lunch of the bus peace campaign, which contains message www.loveforallhatred fornone.org we will certainly come to this topic of salman Rushedie for the sake of your desire, however lets clear that you have found enough pictures of ladies on the above website, and you all support the peace and volunteer efforts shown and mentioned on this website by Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. saleemdine
  • Score: 13

1:22pm Sun 20 Jul 14

welshmen says...

artsfan says...

"Welshmen, if you want to talk 'dominant men', talk about Catholic priests, paedophiles like Christian Jimmy Saville, and those in Westminster"

I say:
If I had my way, myself and Millions of British people would hang all Christian child abusers, including thousands of Dominant Muslim Men for sexual child abusing when found guilty. I would find that justice.

artsfan says...

"saleemdine, you are one of the really nice people. There are a couple of people posting on here however, who are probably BNP, NF or other fascist scum. Please don't compliment them!"

I say:
Your the Fascist scum, we are debating your bus Sign and the Islamic view comparing what your religion is doing around the world right now, name calling is cheap just like your posts, perhaps some Muslims who post on here are a Radical Islamists who want all Christians Killed, your attitude is hatred not love and care like saleedine posts..


artsfan says...
Reading the comments on here Dai Rear, it's clear to one and all that saleemdine wishes peace and you are the one trying to stir up racial hatred.

I say:
Only you are stirring up racial hatred by accusing, we are debating a Religious Bus Sign, Religion is not a race, check your facts before you post lies:...

If you Muslims want to know who can really hate Muslims and kill them in their thousands, yet you all keep quite about that, but would rather march in your thousands against Israel who are protecting their Lands from Terrorists then you have to look at ISSL, they put Israel to shame in the killing game, according to the UN figures for this year to-date, 5576 Muslims dead, 11665 wounded, and not a moan off you people, you would rather moan and post against posters debating a Bus Advert and Sign-age....
artsfan says... "Welshmen, if you want to talk 'dominant men', talk about Catholic priests, paedophiles like Christian Jimmy Saville, and those in Westminster" I say: If I had my way, myself and Millions of British people would hang all Christian child abusers, including thousands of Dominant Muslim Men for sexual child abusing when found guilty. I would find that justice. artsfan says... "saleemdine, you are one of the really nice people. There are a couple of people posting on here however, who are probably BNP, NF or other fascist scum. Please don't compliment them!" I say: Your the Fascist scum, we are debating your bus Sign and the Islamic view comparing what your religion is doing around the world right now, name calling is cheap just like your posts, perhaps some Muslims who post on here are a Radical Islamists who want all Christians Killed, your attitude is hatred not love and care like saleedine posts.. artsfan says... Reading the comments on here Dai Rear, it's clear to one and all that saleemdine wishes peace and you are the one trying to stir up racial hatred. I say: Only you are stirring up racial hatred by accusing, we are debating a Religious Bus Sign, Religion is not a race, check your facts before you post lies:... If you Muslims want to know who can really hate Muslims and kill them in their thousands, yet you all keep quite about that, but would rather march in your thousands against Israel who are protecting their Lands from Terrorists then you have to look at ISSL, they put Israel to shame in the killing game, according to the UN figures for this year to-date, 5576 Muslims dead, 11665 wounded, and not a moan off you people, you would rather moan and post against posters debating a Bus Advert and Sign-age.... welshmen
  • Score: -12

2:16pm Sun 20 Jul 14

welshmen says...

All the bothers voting thumbs down, nothing new there, do as your told lemmings....
All the bothers voting thumbs down, nothing new there, do as your told lemmings.... welshmen
  • Score: -7

3:01pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

saleemdine wrote:
Although, the topic here is the lunch of the bus peace campaign, which contains message www.loveforallhatred

fornone.org we will certainly come to this topic of salman Rushedie for the sake of your desire, however lets clear that you have found enough pictures of ladies on the above website, and you all support the peace and volunteer efforts shown and mentioned on this website by Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.
Come to it then sunshine, come to it. We're all waiting. I have expressed no views about pictures of females, or **** or oxen, garlic bread, hot cross buns or camomile tea. Condemn the creatures who incited the killing of Rushdie, Saleemdine.
Thanks Welshmen. I think that artsfan is pronounced with a silent "t" isn't it? Whatever it is it seems to blow off a load of nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]saleemdine[/bold] wrote: Although, the topic here is the lunch of the bus peace campaign, which contains message www.loveforallhatred fornone.org we will certainly come to this topic of salman Rushedie for the sake of your desire, however lets clear that you have found enough pictures of ladies on the above website, and you all support the peace and volunteer efforts shown and mentioned on this website by Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.[/p][/quote]Come to it then sunshine, come to it. We're all waiting. I have expressed no views about pictures of females, or **** or oxen, garlic bread, hot cross buns or camomile tea. Condemn the creatures who incited the killing of Rushdie, Saleemdine. Thanks Welshmen. I think that artsfan is pronounced with a silent "t" isn't it? Whatever it is it seems to blow off a load of nonsense. Dai Rear
  • Score: -8

3:08pm Sun 20 Jul 14

welshmen says...

All you thumb downs, put your comment on here,or are you too thick, or have you only been taught by your Imam the "click thumb down button" only...and keep quite....
All you thumb downs, put your comment on here,or are you too thick, or have you only been taught by your Imam the "click thumb down button" only...and keep quite.... welshmen
  • Score: -9

5:08pm Sun 20 Jul 14

bow2010 says...

Welshman you got a thumbs up from me!
Dai Rear, As you have suggested to arrange a call of peace conference like one we have a few months ago in guild hall , london.
were you been trying to contact Archbishop of Canterbury ? weather he will gracious us his time for a joint call of peace.
I definitely will come to the point of Suleman Rushedi, once we finish the topic of establishing peace and love.
Please stay tuned !
Welshman you got a thumbs up from me! Dai Rear, As you have suggested to arrange a call of peace conference like one we have a few months ago in guild hall , london. were you been trying to contact Archbishop of Canterbury ? weather he will gracious us his time for a joint call of peace. I definitely will come to the point of Suleman Rushedi, once we finish the topic of establishing peace and love. Please stay tuned ! bow2010
  • Score: 1

5:18pm Sun 20 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

bow2010, I also agree that the topic of peace and love and how Ahnmadiyya Muslim Association is trying every effort to fulfill it should have been completed first before we can start a new topic.
The idea of requesting Archbishop of Canterbury to joining Imams was an excellent idea, and I also hope Dai rear should have done something in this regard. HAVE YOU DAI REAR ?
bow2010, I also agree that the topic of peace and love and how Ahnmadiyya Muslim Association is trying every effort to fulfill it should have been completed first before we can start a new topic. The idea of requesting Archbishop of Canterbury to joining Imams was an excellent idea, and I also hope Dai rear should have done something in this regard. HAVE YOU DAI REAR ? saleemdine
  • Score: 6

5:22pm Sun 20 Jul 14

PrivateTom10000001 says...

saleemdine wrote:
bow2010, I also agree that the topic of peace and love and how Ahnmadiyya Muslim Association is trying every effort to fulfill it should have been completed first before we can start a new topic.
The idea of requesting Archbishop of Canterbury to joining Imams was an excellent idea, and I also hope Dai rear should have done something in this regard. HAVE YOU DAI REAR ?
Where there’s Diarrhea there’s trouble, where there’s false welshmen theres more Diarrhea.
[quote][p][bold]saleemdine[/bold] wrote: bow2010, I also agree that the topic of peace and love and how Ahnmadiyya Muslim Association is trying every effort to fulfill it should have been completed first before we can start a new topic. The idea of requesting Archbishop of Canterbury to joining Imams was an excellent idea, and I also hope Dai rear should have done something in this regard. HAVE YOU DAI REAR ?[/p][/quote]Where there’s Diarrhea there’s trouble, where there’s false welshmen theres more Diarrhea. PrivateTom10000001
  • Score: 12

6:55pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

bow2010, saleemdine You are exact the same as a taig- afraid to say a word against Adams and McGuiness for fear the boys with the black berets and sunglasses will come and take you out. You wouldn't DARE to condemn your co-religionists' incitement to murder.
Would you?
And PrivateTom10000001 , you're pathetic. Shut up.
bow2010, saleemdine You are exact the same as a taig- afraid to say a word against Adams and McGuiness for fear the boys with the black berets and sunglasses will come and take you out. You wouldn't DARE to condemn your co-religionists' incitement to murder. Would you? And PrivateTom10000001 , you're pathetic. Shut up. Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

7:47pm Sun 20 Jul 14

welshmen says...

So, Saleemdine, private tom0000001 bow2010, is that all you have ? no answers, only drivel, or just your fellow Muslims, thumbing down, you had a chance on here to put your case for a closer relationship with posters for debating, but you failed, you failed because you can't think for your self. you have to report back to your Imam before answering any questions asked, sad to say you might as well jog on, you wouldn't know the truth if it dropped on your head, what other PR stunts you Muslims have in the pipe line, what's you next bit of taqiyya to feed the Newport media for pats on the back, like I say, and I'll say it again action speaks louder than PR stunts....the only false one on here is the cult Religion of the Colonisers...you don't fool anyone........
So, Saleemdine, private tom0000001 bow2010, is that all you have ? no answers, only drivel, or just your fellow Muslims, thumbing down, you had a chance on here to put your case for a closer relationship with posters for debating, but you failed, you failed because you can't think for your self. you have to report back to your Imam before answering any questions asked, sad to say you might as well jog on, you wouldn't know the truth if it dropped on your head, what other PR stunts you Muslims have in the pipe line, what's you next bit of taqiyya to feed the Newport media for pats on the back, like I say, and I'll say it again action speaks louder than PR stunts....the only false one on here is the cult Religion of the Colonisers...you don't fool anyone........ welshmen
  • Score: -4

7:48pm Sun 20 Jul 14

PrivateTom10000001 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
bow2010, saleemdine You are exact the same as a taig- afraid to say a word against Adams and McGuiness for fear the boys with the black berets and sunglasses will come and take you out. You wouldn't DARE to condemn your co-religionists' incitement to murder.
Would you?
And PrivateTom10000001 , you're pathetic. Shut up.
Someone’s been rumbled!!
My old training as a sniper has come in handy again. flush em out and give em no mercy, me old Corporal (RIP) used to say.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: bow2010, saleemdine You are exact the same as a taig- afraid to say a word against Adams and McGuiness for fear the boys with the black berets and sunglasses will come and take you out. You wouldn't DARE to condemn your co-religionists' incitement to murder. Would you? And PrivateTom10000001 , you're pathetic. Shut up.[/p][/quote]Someone’s been rumbled!! My old training as a sniper has come in handy again. flush em out and give em no mercy, me old Corporal (RIP) used to say. PrivateTom10000001
  • Score: 9

8:15pm Sun 20 Jul 14

PrivateTom10000001 says...

private tom0000001:
Saleemdine,jimmytheo
ne2,artsfan,bow2010
TheBritish Spitfire pilots are having an easy time shooting down the feared racists. It's like shooting rats in a barrel. But beware they are undercover and corrupting many, I trust you fellow countrymen to patrol the cyber war zones to keep old blighty safe. Good luck and may your god be with you.
Bumps-a daisy. It's enough to make ya weep
private tom0000001: Saleemdine,jimmytheo ne2,artsfan,bow2010 TheBritish Spitfire pilots are having an easy time shooting down the feared racists. It's like shooting rats in a barrel. But beware they are undercover and corrupting many, I trust you fellow countrymen to patrol the cyber war zones to keep old blighty safe. Good luck and may your god be with you. Bumps-a daisy. It's enough to make ya weep PrivateTom10000001
  • Score: 8

11:22pm Mon 28 Jul 14

saleemdine says...

The noble work for Good cause by Ahmadiyya Muslim Comunity continues at
www.loveforallhatred
fornone.org
those only interested in fatwah against Rushdie, I sincearly hope that they have considered the reason of this fatwa in the first place, otherwise it is going to be absolutely unfair to ask about an opinion of one side of the story ?
Bring on board the both sides of the stories, so that we can all estimate the damage from both ends of extreme ?
I am still waiting for those who clearly and loudly stands with the peace campaigns of Ahmadiyya Muslim community.
and I am not afraid of spitfires, and snipers. Love and peace is an ultimate tool to destroy the evil.
The noble work for Good cause by Ahmadiyya Muslim Comunity continues at www.loveforallhatred fornone.org those only interested in fatwah against Rushdie, I sincearly hope that they have considered the reason of this fatwa in the first place, otherwise it is going to be absolutely unfair to ask about an opinion of one side of the story ? Bring on board the both sides of the stories, so that we can all estimate the damage from both ends of extreme ? I am still waiting for those who clearly and loudly stands with the peace campaigns of Ahmadiyya Muslim community. and I am not afraid of spitfires, and snipers. Love and peace is an ultimate tool to destroy the evil. saleemdine
  • Score: -1

4:08am Tue 29 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

saleemdine wrote:
The noble work for Good cause by Ahmadiyya Muslim Comunity continues at
www.loveforallhatred

fornone.org
those only interested in fatwah against Rushdie, I sincearly hope that they have considered the reason of this fatwa in the first place, otherwise it is going to be absolutely unfair to ask about an opinion of one side of the story ?
Bring on board the both sides of the stories, so that we can all estimate the damage from both ends of extreme ?
I am still waiting for those who clearly and loudly stands with the peace campaigns of Ahmadiyya Muslim community.
and I am not afraid of spitfires, and snipers. Love and peace is an ultimate tool to destroy the evil.
After 16 days. There is ABSOLUTELY NO reason to incite people to murder someone Saleemdine. That is why it is a crime in Britain. I can only suggest that if you feel that you don't like living in countries which make incitement to murder a crime you hasten to a country of your choice where it is allowed. If incitement to murder is not "hatred for someone" just what on earth do you think it is ? So , now you have revealed what you and your cohort truly believe please stop pretending you believe in "love for all". It is simply borrowed plumage and it is revolting.
[quote][p][bold]saleemdine[/bold] wrote: The noble work for Good cause by Ahmadiyya Muslim Comunity continues at www.loveforallhatred fornone.org those only interested in fatwah against Rushdie, I sincearly hope that they have considered the reason of this fatwa in the first place, otherwise it is going to be absolutely unfair to ask about an opinion of one side of the story ? Bring on board the both sides of the stories, so that we can all estimate the damage from both ends of extreme ? I am still waiting for those who clearly and loudly stands with the peace campaigns of Ahmadiyya Muslim community. and I am not afraid of spitfires, and snipers. Love and peace is an ultimate tool to destroy the evil.[/p][/quote]After 16 days. There is ABSOLUTELY NO reason to incite people to murder someone Saleemdine. That is why it is a crime in Britain. I can only suggest that if you feel that you don't like living in countries which make incitement to murder a crime you hasten to a country of your choice where it is allowed. If incitement to murder is not "hatred for someone" just what on earth do you think it is ? So , now you have revealed what you and your cohort truly believe please stop pretending you believe in "love for all". It is simply borrowed plumage and it is revolting. Dai Rear
  • Score: 1
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