Dad ‘disappointed’ with Pill Park clean-up effort

CLEAR-UP: Newport teacher Kamal Ali is campaigning to get Pill Park safe enough for his young son to play there

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A NEWPORT teacher campaigning to get his local park renovated so his son can visit it without fear of injury has been left “disappointed” by Newport council’s effort to clean it.

Kamal Ali, 32, of Pill, was left devastated after seeing Pill Park become run down, with poor facilities, smashed glass and syringes.

Mr Ali recently expressed his concerns to the council after feeling that the park was too “dangerous” for his two year old son Hamzah to even walk through.

Following his concerns, Newport City Council cleaned up the park, but Mr Ali, who has since visited it, does not feel the job was adequate.

“They have cleared the bins which have to be done in any public place, but the bits of glass are still there,” the teacher at Wydean High School and Sixth Form College said.

“I am amazed how the council can leave it there.

“I raised my concerns on June 27, but the fact is that it was there months before.

“There was even a spliff still there.”

Mr Ali who has lived in Pill since he was eight years old, first noticed the problem when his car broke down and he had to walk his two year old son Hamzah, through the park.

Having previously volunteered with Communities First, Mr Ali felt compelled to act and decided to appeal to the council to renovate the park so it is safe for children.

Last week the Argus reported Mr Ali’s concerns which included lack of facilities, alcohol consumption and drugs following his discovery of abandoned syringes in the park.

Mr Ali has had correspondence with Newport City Council over the last few weeks, who have addressed some of his problems, but have not provided what Mr Ali believes to be a ‘solution.’

“The solution is to have CCTV and monitoring of it,” he said.

“I give credit where credit is due; thank you for cleaning the park – now what is your next step?”

A Newport City Council spokeswoman said: “Newport City Council understands the frustrations of some residents about the issue of litter in Pill Park.

“On three occasions the park was cleaned last week and Tuesday there was a meeting on site with the council’s parks, outdoor recreation and streetscene team to look at how to address the issue of fly tipping and litter.

“The council will be implementing a revised inspection and cleansing regime to address the issues to ensure the safety and enjoyment at the park. However, there is no excuse for littering, people are responsible for their own rubbish and of disposing it responsibly.

“The council would like to thank residents who have been litter picking in the area and would encourage anyone who feels strongly about littering to become a litter champion.

“The council also welcomes reports regarding the wear and tear of public facilities in the city, and such reports are recorded and considered for work prioritisation and budget allocation.

“To become a community litter champion contact 01633 656656 or email rethink.rubbish@newport.gov.uk”

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7:19am Thu 17 Jul 14

inkyskin says...

more bins would be a good start, if i recall there's only 1 bin there and that's by the toddler play park.
more bins would be a good start, if i recall there's only 1 bin there and that's by the toddler play park. inkyskin
  • Score: 8

8:36am Thu 17 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

lack of bins in many public places full stop
lack of bins in many public places full stop scraptheWAG
  • Score: 7

8:43am Thu 17 Jul 14

steve.d says...

The council's budget is being reduced annually and the litter and broken glass etc. is caused by the public. Nearly 2 out of every 3 people admit to throwing litter on the floor. If you feel that strongly about your area get off your butt and organise a community clean up.
The council's budget is being reduced annually and the litter and broken glass etc. is caused by the public. Nearly 2 out of every 3 people admit to throwing litter on the floor. If you feel that strongly about your area get off your butt and organise a community clean up. steve.d
  • Score: 24

9:26am Thu 17 Jul 14

Ultimate Worrier says...

steve.d wrote:
The council's budget is being reduced annually and the litter and broken glass etc. is caused by the public. Nearly 2 out of every 3 people admit to throwing litter on the floor. If you feel that strongly about your area get off your butt and organise a community clean up.
A bit harsh.

I can see where you're coming from, but come off it, what exactly is council tax being spent on? It isn't on roads, it isn't on waste collection, it isn't on lighting the streets, it isn't on more police patrols.

Would somebody please be able to enlighten me?
[quote][p][bold]steve.d[/bold] wrote: The council's budget is being reduced annually and the litter and broken glass etc. is caused by the public. Nearly 2 out of every 3 people admit to throwing litter on the floor. If you feel that strongly about your area get off your butt and organise a community clean up.[/p][/quote]A bit harsh. I can see where you're coming from, but come off it, what exactly is council tax being spent on? It isn't on roads, it isn't on waste collection, it isn't on lighting the streets, it isn't on more police patrols. Would somebody please be able to enlighten me? Ultimate Worrier
  • Score: 11

9:43am Thu 17 Jul 14

davidcp says...

IT - which means IPads paid for at 50% mark-up bought through a third party company to ensure probity (like that works!), and wages.
IT - which means IPads paid for at 50% mark-up bought through a third party company to ensure probity (like that works!), and wages. davidcp
  • Score: -3

9:49am Thu 17 Jul 14

PaulHalliday says...

Steve.d i think what you are saying is ill thought out. Mr Ali and others have been working hard to clean up Pill. They have organised a number of clean up days and have one in august. So please think before you attack someone
Steve.d i think what you are saying is ill thought out. Mr Ali and others have been working hard to clean up Pill. They have organised a number of clean up days and have one in august. So please think before you attack someone PaulHalliday
  • Score: 16

10:18am Thu 17 Jul 14

golfer says...

Litter picker brush and pan from home bargains about £15 ..get on with it ..there ..solution solved
Litter picker brush and pan from home bargains about £15 ..get on with it ..there ..solution solved golfer
  • Score: -14

10:18am Thu 17 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Parks and recreation areas are not high on the councils or polices lists. They are treated that if the people causing a nuisance are in one of these areas they are not causing multiple phone calls to the authorities from residents. Many times i have had said to me by police, pcso and council officials never mind. they are out of the way and not upsetting anybody. The fact that they leave broken glass, drugs paraphernalia and the like is ignored. there are not the bodies available or the powers to move them on. They say there is no where they can go. They can go home i say. Curfew them. But there is to much red tape in the way. CCTV requires planning permission or the right type of lamppost. But there is nobody to monitor them. I wish it wasn't so but parks and communal areas have very little protection against ASB. Neither do law abiding residents either it would seem.
Parks and recreation areas are not high on the councils or polices lists. They are treated that if the people causing a nuisance are in one of these areas they are not causing multiple phone calls to the authorities from residents. Many times i have had said to me by police, pcso and council officials never mind. they are out of the way and not upsetting anybody. The fact that they leave broken glass, drugs paraphernalia and the like is ignored. there are not the bodies available or the powers to move them on. They say there is no where they can go. They can go home i say. Curfew them. But there is to much red tape in the way. CCTV requires planning permission or the right type of lamppost. But there is nobody to monitor them. I wish it wasn't so but parks and communal areas have very little protection against ASB. Neither do law abiding residents either it would seem. landyman3030
  • Score: 3

10:26am Thu 17 Jul 14

grandmammamia says...

Ultimate Worrier wrote:
steve.d wrote: The council's budget is being reduced annually and the litter and broken glass etc. is caused by the public. Nearly 2 out of every 3 people admit to throwing litter on the floor. If you feel that strongly about your area get off your butt and organise a community clean up.
A bit harsh. I can see where you're coming from, but come off it, what exactly is council tax being spent on? It isn't on roads, it isn't on waste collection, it isn't on lighting the streets, it isn't on more police patrols. Would somebody please be able to enlighten me?
It's on Cabinet members , councillors and CEO salaries . Councillors used to have reasonable expenses and that's it. I agree that times are different now but civic duty shouldn't be a job. We have Local Government officers for that. And some of those posts and salaries are highly questionable.
[quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steve.d[/bold] wrote: The council's budget is being reduced annually and the litter and broken glass etc. is caused by the public. Nearly 2 out of every 3 people admit to throwing litter on the floor. If you feel that strongly about your area get off your butt and organise a community clean up.[/p][/quote]A bit harsh. I can see where you're coming from, but come off it, what exactly is council tax being spent on? It isn't on roads, it isn't on waste collection, it isn't on lighting the streets, it isn't on more police patrols. Would somebody please be able to enlighten me?[/p][/quote]It's on Cabinet members , councillors and CEO salaries . Councillors used to have reasonable expenses and that's it. I agree that times are different now but civic duty shouldn't be a job. We have Local Government officers for that. And some of those posts and salaries are highly questionable. grandmammamia
  • Score: 3

11:50am Thu 17 Jul 14

Sing up for the amber boys says...

Definitely a lack of bins these days. They used to be numerous on my street attached to lamp posts - they all went years ago
Definitely a lack of bins these days. They used to be numerous on my street attached to lamp posts - they all went years ago Sing up for the amber boys
  • Score: 1

1:32pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
lack of bins in many public places full stop
I doubt that's it. There are around ten bins at every McDonald's/KFC but the litter is still jettisoned through car windows four feet away from them. We've all seen it happen. The problem is scuzzy, ill-disciplined, badly parented low-lifes.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: lack of bins in many public places full stop[/p][/quote]I doubt that's it. There are around ten bins at every McDonald's/KFC but the litter is still jettisoned through car windows four feet away from them. We've all seen it happen. The problem is scuzzy, ill-disciplined, badly parented low-lifes. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 15

1:34pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Good Job No Kids says...

If this guy is a teacher on reasonable money why does he live in Pill? It was almost certainly like that when he moved there, but made no complaints then?
If this guy is a teacher on reasonable money why does he live in Pill? It was almost certainly like that when he moved there, but made no complaints then? Good Job No Kids
  • Score: -28

1:37pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Why doesn't he call on the local Mosque to help, immigrants dominate the area anyway.
Why doesn't he call on the local Mosque to help, immigrants dominate the area anyway. Good Job No Kids
  • Score: -21

1:48pm Thu 17 Jul 14

myopinion1988 says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
If this guy is a teacher on reasonable money why does he live in Pill? It was almost certainly like that when he moved there, but made no complaints then?
I'm on a reasonable amount of money and I live in Maesglas out of choice, not everyone living in Pill is on low income there may be personal circumstaces why they chose to live there!
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: If this guy is a teacher on reasonable money why does he live in Pill? It was almost certainly like that when he moved there, but made no complaints then?[/p][/quote]I'm on a reasonable amount of money and I live in Maesglas out of choice, not everyone living in Pill is on low income there may be personal circumstaces why they chose to live there! myopinion1988
  • Score: 17

3:43pm Thu 17 Jul 14

-trigg- says...

Does anyone remember the days when there was a Park Keeper on site in most public parks? Nobody would dream of dropping litter for fear of getting caught, let alone taking drugs or who alone knows what else.

The park gates were locked at sunset without fail and woe betide anyone who got caught after daring to climb the fence to get in after hours.
Does anyone remember the days when there was a Park Keeper on site in most public parks? Nobody would dream of dropping litter for fear of getting caught, let alone taking drugs or who alone knows what else. The park gates were locked at sunset without fail and woe betide anyone who got caught after daring to climb the fence to get in after hours. -trigg-
  • Score: 8

4:01pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Smarty31 says...

This is the type of work law breakers on community service should do. Get them to put something back into society stop giving them an easy ride.
This is the type of work law breakers on community service should do. Get them to put something back into society stop giving them an easy ride. Smarty31
  • Score: 23

4:10pm Thu 17 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

golfer wrote:
Litter picker brush and pan from home bargains about £15 ..get on with it ..there ..solution solved
What a good idea golfer. See you down there on Saturday. I'll bring the marigolds. I'll take broken cider bottles and spliff ends. You take dirty needles and drug bags. We'll split the doggy doo between us......solution solved? But you'll have to take the drug paraphernalia home with you because there aren't any bins empty or available. No problem. Then i'll see you Sunday to do it all again. And on Monday...solution solved?
[quote][p][bold]golfer[/bold] wrote: Litter picker brush and pan from home bargains about £15 ..get on with it ..there ..solution solved[/p][/quote]What a good idea golfer. See you down there on Saturday. I'll bring the marigolds. I'll take broken cider bottles and spliff ends. You take dirty needles and drug bags. We'll split the doggy doo between us......solution solved? But you'll have to take the drug paraphernalia home with you because there aren't any bins empty or available. No problem. Then i'll see you Sunday to do it all again. And on Monday...solution solved? landyman3030
  • Score: 14

4:17pm Thu 17 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

-trigg- wrote:
Does anyone remember the days when there was a Park Keeper on site in most public parks? Nobody would dream of dropping litter for fear of getting caught, let alone taking drugs or who alone knows what else.

The park gates were locked at sunset without fail and woe betide anyone who got caught after daring to climb the fence to get in after hours.
Now the gates are locked at dusk. Just not to tight. They have to allow the kids in to stop those pesky residents making a nuisance ringing up the wardens because of the noise, abuse, drug use and dealing and alcohol being consumed by underage people. How annoying is that?
Can't solve ASB so they spend thousands of pounds moving them around the streets or on to a bit of green where they can do what they want.
The police, pcso and the wardens deal with the same faces nightly.
God forbid the parents might be responsible from time to time.
Family curfews sound like a good idea. Keep them indoors from 7pm to 7am. Give the rest of us a break.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: Does anyone remember the days when there was a Park Keeper on site in most public parks? Nobody would dream of dropping litter for fear of getting caught, let alone taking drugs or who alone knows what else. The park gates were locked at sunset without fail and woe betide anyone who got caught after daring to climb the fence to get in after hours.[/p][/quote]Now the gates are locked at dusk. Just not to tight. They have to allow the kids in to stop those pesky residents making a nuisance ringing up the wardens because of the noise, abuse, drug use and dealing and alcohol being consumed by underage people. How annoying is that? Can't solve ASB so they spend thousands of pounds moving them around the streets or on to a bit of green where they can do what they want. The police, pcso and the wardens deal with the same faces nightly. God forbid the parents might be responsible from time to time. Family curfews sound like a good idea. Keep them indoors from 7pm to 7am. Give the rest of us a break. landyman3030
  • Score: 9

5:34pm Thu 17 Jul 14

mrleebob says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
If this guy is a teacher on reasonable money why does he live in Pill? It was almost certainly like that when he moved there, but made no complaints then?
He moved there when he was 8 you thick troll.
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: If this guy is a teacher on reasonable money why does he live in Pill? It was almost certainly like that when he moved there, but made no complaints then?[/p][/quote]He moved there when he was 8 you thick troll. mrleebob
  • Score: 19

5:48pm Thu 17 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
If this guy is a teacher on reasonable money why does he live in Pill? It was almost certainly like that when he moved there, but made no complaints then?
What?
What on earth does that have to do with it?
Have you been drinking again?
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: If this guy is a teacher on reasonable money why does he live in Pill? It was almost certainly like that when he moved there, but made no complaints then?[/p][/quote]What? What on earth does that have to do with it? Have you been drinking again? jimmytheone2
  • Score: 15

6:05pm Thu 17 Jul 14

bravoscar says...

looks like he has plenty of time on his hands talking to the local paper why doesn't he help clean it up the local communities used to help with this sort of thing instead of whining about it.
looks like he has plenty of time on his hands talking to the local paper why doesn't he help clean it up the local communities used to help with this sort of thing instead of whining about it. bravoscar
  • Score: -12

6:18pm Thu 17 Jul 14

gingertom says...

This petition calls for councillors money to be scrapped and given re-imbursement like magistrates:

https://www.assembly
wales.org/epetition-
list-of-signatories.
htm?pet_id=1031
This petition calls for councillors money to be scrapped and given re-imbursement like magistrates: https://www.assembly wales.org/epetition- list-of-signatories. htm?pet_id=1031 gingertom
  • Score: 0

6:25pm Thu 17 Jul 14

gingertom says...

http://survey.gwent.
pcc.police.uk/index.
php?sid=62493&lang=e
n


The above police survey asks about community retribution suggest that they clean up parks. End date 31st july.
http://survey.gwent. pcc.police.uk/index. php?sid=62493&lang=e n The above police survey asks about community retribution suggest that they clean up parks. End date 31st july. gingertom
  • Score: 2

6:32pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

......the reason there's no bins......is they'd get filled up and the council would have to send a non existent operative to empty them.....

Here's a novel idea......get teachers to teach children (and adults) to take responsibility for their own actions......and not to drop litter (an offence in law)...and to take their litter home....as the tins/bottles are recyclable.....

Another alternative is to take up the councils offer to get free litter pickers, gloves, bags etc which are available to local communities to take responsibility to keep their locality neat and tidy......

Yes in a perfect world the council would look after and do everything a good nanny would do....but without increasing general taxation which no party will do directly......and cut in central funding....something has to suffer 'efficiency saving' (cuts).....

You can please all of the people some of the time
And you can please some of the people all of the time
But you can’t please all of the people all of the time
Cos there’s not a bottomless pot of money for everything in life that everyone wants…..
As everyone is different.

Where I walk my dog I regularly pick up drinks cans and bottles......as this is cheaper than paying expensive vet fees ......because once the council grass cutter goes over them they become a danger to both kids and animals......

As to ignore a potential safety hazard is pretty selfish attitude.....which unfortunately is an attitude some people have....as we are all different.
......the reason there's no bins......is they'd get filled up and the council would have to send a non existent operative to empty them..... Here's a novel idea......get teachers to teach children (and adults) to take responsibility for their own actions......and not to drop litter (an offence in law)...and to take their litter home....as the tins/bottles are recyclable..... Another alternative is to take up the councils offer to get free litter pickers, gloves, bags etc which are available to local communities to take responsibility to keep their locality neat and tidy...... Yes in a perfect world the council would look after and do everything a good nanny would do....but without increasing general taxation which no party will do directly......and cut in central funding....something has to suffer 'efficiency saving' (cuts)..... You can please all of the people some of the time And you can please some of the people all of the time But you can’t please all of the people all of the time Cos there’s not a bottomless pot of money for everything in life that everyone wants….. As everyone is different. Where I walk my dog I regularly pick up drinks cans and bottles......as this is cheaper than paying expensive vet fees ......because once the council grass cutter goes over them they become a danger to both kids and animals...... As to ignore a potential safety hazard is pretty selfish attitude.....which unfortunately is an attitude some people have....as we are all different. Dave on his Soapbox
  • Score: 6

6:46pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

from the councils own website
Litter
Service Outline
Newport City Council is responsible for the removal of litter from the following areas:
• Council owned land, including car parks
• Council estates,
• Council owned grass areas and parks,
• Canals,
• Parks,
• Council owned reens and
• Public highways.

The Council does not maintain privately owned land or housing association bin areas. Litter on school sites is the responsibility of the individual school.

Requests for new litter bins, repairs to litter bins, and for existing litter bins to be emptied and be made using the email address below.
Email: info@newport.gov.uk

Telephone:(01633) 656656
from the councils own website Litter Service Outline Newport City Council is responsible for the removal of litter from the following areas: • Council owned land, including car parks • Council estates, • Council owned grass areas and parks, • Canals, • Parks, • Council owned reens and • Public highways. The Council does not maintain privately owned land or housing association bin areas. Litter on school sites is the responsibility of the individual school. Requests for new litter bins, repairs to litter bins, and for existing litter bins to be emptied and be made using the email address below. Email: info@newport.gov.uk Telephone:(01633) 656656 Dave on his Soapbox
  • Score: 7

7:37pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Magor says...

Its the same all over Newport,Fly Posting,Graffiti litter etc.But the Council does nothing to remove it.
Its the same all over Newport,Fly Posting,Graffiti litter etc.But the Council does nothing to remove it. Magor
  • Score: 2

9:48pm Thu 17 Jul 14

inkyskin says...

there's a lack of bins everywhere! if you walk from the new bus station to Sainsburys you do not pass one single bin!
there's a lack of bins everywhere! if you walk from the new bus station to Sainsburys you do not pass one single bin! inkyskin
  • Score: 2

11:47pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Ultimate Worrier wrote:
steve.d wrote:
The council's budget is being reduced annually and the litter and broken glass etc. is caused by the public. Nearly 2 out of every 3 people admit to throwing litter on the floor. If you feel that strongly about your area get off your butt and organise a community clean up.
A bit harsh.

I can see where you're coming from, but come off it, what exactly is council tax being spent on? It isn't on roads, it isn't on waste collection, it isn't on lighting the streets, it isn't on more police patrols.

Would somebody please be able to enlighten me?
" what exactly is council tax being spent on? "
Well Its not on wages
And most people think council workers are having a whale of a time in easy jobs with fabulous pensions Perhaps their moral is broken and they now do what the public perceives of them.
Keep beating a dog and he wont ever be your best friend.
[quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steve.d[/bold] wrote: The council's budget is being reduced annually and the litter and broken glass etc. is caused by the public. Nearly 2 out of every 3 people admit to throwing litter on the floor. If you feel that strongly about your area get off your butt and organise a community clean up.[/p][/quote]A bit harsh. I can see where you're coming from, but come off it, what exactly is council tax being spent on? It isn't on roads, it isn't on waste collection, it isn't on lighting the streets, it isn't on more police patrols. Would somebody please be able to enlighten me?[/p][/quote]" what exactly is council tax being spent on? " Well Its not on wages And most people think council workers are having a whale of a time in easy jobs with fabulous pensions Perhaps their moral is broken and they now do what the public perceives of them. Keep beating a dog and he wont ever be your best friend. Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 10

11:54pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

-trigg- wrote:
Does anyone remember the days when there was a Park Keeper on site in most public parks? Nobody would dream of dropping litter for fear of getting caught, let alone taking drugs or who alone knows what else.

The park gates were locked at sunset without fail and woe betide anyone who got caught after daring to climb the fence to get in after hours.
You old romantic!
Them were the days and a decent wage to boot too.
Never mind now we have Cameron's Big Society busy doing all those things for sod all.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: Does anyone remember the days when there was a Park Keeper on site in most public parks? Nobody would dream of dropping litter for fear of getting caught, let alone taking drugs or who alone knows what else. The park gates were locked at sunset without fail and woe betide anyone who got caught after daring to climb the fence to get in after hours.[/p][/quote]You old romantic! Them were the days and a decent wage to boot too. Never mind now we have Cameron's Big Society busy doing all those things for sod all. Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 18

7:13am Fri 18 Jul 14

landsmith2001 says...

The problem with Pill is the immoral outweigh the moral by 10-1
I know I've lived here over 20yrs. Nothing shocks me anymore. Suffice to say " its gone to the dogs"!
The problem with Pill is the immoral outweigh the moral by 10-1 I know I've lived here over 20yrs. Nothing shocks me anymore. Suffice to say " its gone to the dogs"! landsmith2001
  • Score: 2

1:21pm Fri 18 Jul 14

gingertom says...

Be grateful you are not in caerphilly because this is what we are putting up with:

http://www.caerphill
yobserver.co.uk/news
/945584/caerphilly-c
ouncils-meals-on-whe
els-service-could-be
-axed-to-save-252000
-a-year/
Be grateful you are not in caerphilly because this is what we are putting up with: http://www.caerphill yobserver.co.uk/news /945584/caerphilly-c ouncils-meals-on-whe els-service-could-be -axed-to-save-252000 -a-year/ gingertom
  • Score: 1

1:23pm Fri 18 Jul 14

gingertom says...

Caerphilly are doing this aswell (the argus has not put it online):

http://www.caerphill
yobserver.co.uk/news
/945554/caerphilly-c
ouncil-agrees-to-imp
lement-car-parking-c
harges-in-country-pa
rks/

CCBC SAY “YES” TO PARKING CHARGES AT COUNTRY PARKS

Lynne Hughes-Williams
Caerphilly

17 Jul 2014 — At a meeting held yesterday, there was a unanimous vote to say “yes” to car parking charges at our country parks, despite strong arguments and counter-proposals being put forward on behalf of over 3,000 complainants who signed the petition.

For those who attended the meeting were left feeling totally dismayed, bewildered and speechless, not by the decision but by the manner of the process, which was wholly lacking in any suggestion of democracy. Democracy was not seen to be done.

The speech that I prepared to submit to the Cabinet members for which I had to seek permission for someone to read on our behalf of the complainants; as the public are not allowed to present their own arguments which was read by a Councillor of (“Plaid Cymru) to the Cabinet. Firstly the report was read; read without any emotion, it was all monotone and despondent and showing defeat.

Many issues were raised within that speech regarding the Council’s failure to respond to questions and their failure to give specific replies in the report to questions raised by complainants.

Then the report writer is called to give her response to the issues raised within the speech, she totally disregarded what were our arguments and counter-proposals and stuck with the generic content of the report prepared by her and we could barely understand what she was saying.

We then thought that there was then going to be a discussion amongst the Cabinet Members, oh no! One Councillor Mr Ken James spoke and then he couldn’t even get it right. He was stating that the decision was already made back in February, and therefore as far as he was concerned it was done and dusted – on so many words – again acoustics was no good! And his back was to us.

Then the Chief Executive Stuart Rosser (I don’t know if he normally sits in on these meetings) had to point out to Mr James that the meeting in February was in fact to approve the budget within which the car parking charges were included not to approve the car parking charges then, and that the meeting being held today was to decide on the car parking charges. How wrong can you get it? There was no further comment from him. What?

Then Councillor Reynolds then gave a short speech about the cuts that the Council were facing and so on and so on, and then they voted! At which point, I and the others must have fallen asleep for 10 minutes, because I did not witness any discussion.

They simply moved to a show of hands all of whom voted, or so it would appear, it happened all so quickly, although I’m sure there was one person I didn’t see put his hands up, but who am I?

Just before leaving I attempted to get an opportunity to express our disappointment and their lack of respect to consider our arguments and counter-proposals but was shot down and told that we were not allowed to speak and so I stopped, although we went out in a “blaze” when one of the petitioners shouted “you will hear what I have to say even if it is on our way out” – and on she went to say what a bunch of idiots..............
.......and so on” I won’t mention any names.

IT WAS A TOTAL AND UTTER SHAM! THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY – THE PUBLIC DO NOT COUNT – IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY FOR THE FAT CATS AT THE TOP! SELF IMPORTANCE FULFILLING THEIR OWN AMBITIONS AND GOALS TO PROVE THEMSELVES - IT’S AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!

We understand that we are all facing cuts, what our simple argument was that this scheme was not suitable and would not generate the revenue to help with saving money, what revenue it may generate would be so little it would not have an impact, but it would hurt the pockets of those who are already hurting! No-one is feeling it more than us workers, retired people and those with ill-health.

From what I have seen, procedure has not been followed correctly!

The report will be available on-line sometime next week. Look under the tab on the CCBC website Council and Democracy and follow from there.

Any comments please feel free to refer them to the Council!.
Chief Executive - Stuart Rosser
His e-mail is: stuartrosser@Caerphi
lly.gov.uk
Monitoring Officer : Gail Morgan
E-mail : willige@Caerphilly.g
ov.uk
Caerphilly are doing this aswell (the argus has not put it online): http://www.caerphill yobserver.co.uk/news /945554/caerphilly-c ouncil-agrees-to-imp lement-car-parking-c harges-in-country-pa rks/ CCBC SAY “YES” TO PARKING CHARGES AT COUNTRY PARKS Lynne Hughes-Williams Caerphilly 17 Jul 2014 — At a meeting held yesterday, there was a unanimous vote to say “yes” to car parking charges at our country parks, despite strong arguments and counter-proposals being put forward on behalf of over 3,000 complainants who signed the petition. For those who attended the meeting were left feeling totally dismayed, bewildered and speechless, not by the decision but by the manner of the process, which was wholly lacking in any suggestion of democracy. Democracy was not seen to be done. The speech that I prepared to submit to the Cabinet members for which I had to seek permission for someone to read on our behalf of the complainants; as the public are not allowed to present their own arguments which was read by a Councillor of (“Plaid Cymru) to the Cabinet. Firstly the report was read; read without any emotion, it was all monotone and despondent and showing defeat. Many issues were raised within that speech regarding the Council’s failure to respond to questions and their failure to give specific replies in the report to questions raised by complainants. Then the report writer is called to give her response to the issues raised within the speech, she totally disregarded what were our arguments and counter-proposals and stuck with the generic content of the report prepared by her and we could barely understand what she was saying. We then thought that there was then going to be a discussion amongst the Cabinet Members, oh no! One Councillor Mr Ken James spoke and then he couldn’t even get it right. He was stating that the decision was already made back in February, and therefore as far as he was concerned it was done and dusted – on so many words – again acoustics was no good! And his back was to us. Then the Chief Executive Stuart Rosser (I don’t know if he normally sits in on these meetings) had to point out to Mr James that the meeting in February was in fact to approve the budget within which the car parking charges were included not to approve the car parking charges then, and that the meeting being held today was to decide on the car parking charges. How wrong can you get it? There was no further comment from him. What? Then Councillor Reynolds then gave a short speech about the cuts that the Council were facing and so on and so on, and then they voted! At which point, I and the others must have fallen asleep for 10 minutes, because I did not witness any discussion. They simply moved to a show of hands all of whom voted, or so it would appear, it happened all so quickly, although I’m sure there was one person I didn’t see put his hands up, but who am I? Just before leaving I attempted to get an opportunity to express our disappointment and their lack of respect to consider our arguments and counter-proposals but was shot down and told that we were not allowed to speak and so I stopped, although we went out in a “blaze” when one of the petitioners shouted “you will hear what I have to say even if it is on our way out” – and on she went to say what a bunch of idiots.............. .......and so on” I won’t mention any names. IT WAS A TOTAL AND UTTER SHAM! THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY – THE PUBLIC DO NOT COUNT – IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY FOR THE FAT CATS AT THE TOP! SELF IMPORTANCE FULFILLING THEIR OWN AMBITIONS AND GOALS TO PROVE THEMSELVES - IT’S AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE! We understand that we are all facing cuts, what our simple argument was that this scheme was not suitable and would not generate the revenue to help with saving money, what revenue it may generate would be so little it would not have an impact, but it would hurt the pockets of those who are already hurting! No-one is feeling it more than us workers, retired people and those with ill-health. From what I have seen, procedure has not been followed correctly! The report will be available on-line sometime next week. Look under the tab on the CCBC website Council and Democracy and follow from there. Any comments please feel free to refer them to the Council!. Chief Executive - Stuart Rosser His e-mail is: stuartrosser@Caerphi lly.gov.uk Monitoring Officer : Gail Morgan E-mail : willige@Caerphilly.g ov.uk gingertom
  • Score: 0

5:05pm Fri 18 Jul 14

cjwales1 says...

I actually saw, a Street Inspector walking down Chepstow road yesterday, writing down what needed to be fixed. Over hanging trees, litter in culverts ... sounds great !!! However being a bit cynical this was about 500m from the entrance to the Celtic Manor. Maybe others in different areas have seen these guys about ?????
I actually saw, a Street Inspector walking down Chepstow road yesterday, writing down what needed to be fixed. Over hanging trees, litter in culverts ... sounds great !!! However being a bit cynical this was about 500m from the entrance to the Celtic Manor. Maybe others in different areas have seen these guys about ????? cjwales1
  • Score: 2

1:05pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Jack Land says...

Pill is essentially scum land. The dregs of society live there, so you cannot expect anything more of them. Come on Kamal, you're a teacher, you're on a good wage, get yourself and your family the hell out of the cell pits that are pill, alway and ringland.
Pill is essentially scum land. The dregs of society live there, so you cannot expect anything more of them. Come on Kamal, you're a teacher, you're on a good wage, get yourself and your family the hell out of the cell pits that are pill, alway and ringland. Jack Land
  • Score: -3

5:40pm Mon 21 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Jack Land wrote:
Pill is essentially scum land. The dregs of society live there, so you cannot expect anything more of them. Come on Kamal, you're a teacher, you're on a good wage, get yourself and your family the hell out of the cell pits that are pill, alway and ringland.
I'm assuming you live in Pill then?
What are cell pits?
[quote][p][bold]Jack Land[/bold] wrote: Pill is essentially scum land. The dregs of society live there, so you cannot expect anything more of them. Come on Kamal, you're a teacher, you're on a good wage, get yourself and your family the hell out of the cell pits that are pill, alway and ringland.[/p][/quote]I'm assuming you live in Pill then? What are cell pits? jimmytheone2
  • Score: 4

7:26pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Llanmartingargoyle says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
Jack Land wrote:
Pill is essentially scum land. The dregs of society live there, so you cannot expect anything more of them. Come on Kamal, you're a teacher, you're on a good wage, get yourself and your family the hell out of the cell pits that are pill, alway and ringland.
I'm assuming you live in Pill then?
What are cell pits?
Man, some of my best friends live in Pillgwenlly and some very nice down to earth people you meet there. Unlike the social climbing Lepers you are likely to meet in Llanmartin, cowbridge, Llangstone or hanging around the Celtic Mannor.
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Land[/bold] wrote: Pill is essentially scum land. The dregs of society live there, so you cannot expect anything more of them. Come on Kamal, you're a teacher, you're on a good wage, get yourself and your family the hell out of the cell pits that are pill, alway and ringland.[/p][/quote]I'm assuming you live in Pill then? What are cell pits?[/p][/quote]Man, some of my best friends live in Pillgwenlly and some very nice down to earth people you meet there. Unlike the social climbing Lepers you are likely to meet in Llanmartin, cowbridge, Llangstone or hanging around the Celtic Mannor. Llanmartingargoyle
  • Score: 7

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