ARGUS COMMENT: Are SDR lorry crashes the fault of the road or the drivers?

ARGUS COMMENT: Are SDR lorry crashes the fault of the road or the drivers?

ARGUS COMMENT: Are SDR lorry crashes the fault of the road or the drivers?

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REGULAR users of the Southern Distributor Road in Newport will know that Argus photographs of overturned lorries on the route have become a frequent occurrence.

At the end of this year, the SDR will have been open to traffic for a decade.

During that time there have been almost 20 accidents involving overturned heavy goods vehicles. Each time they cause traffic chaos in Newport.

Yesterday yet another lorry overturned on the SDR.

There have been investigations and questions about the safety of the SDR over a number of years. Yet there still does not seem to be a definitive answer to why so many lorries overturn on a relatively short stretch of road.

The driver of the lorry involved in yesterday's incident has been arrested on suspicion of driving without due care and attention. The courts will decide whether he caused the accident.

But whether the road or drivers are to blame for every such incident on the SDR remains unresolved.

A definitive answer is needed, because there will be a tragedy on the road at some point in the future. It is remarkable that one has not occurred already.

If the design of the road is at fault, then it should be remedied.

If driver error is to blame, then lower speed limits and increased warning signs ahead of roundabouts need to be considered.

Doing nothing is not an option.

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9:44am Wed 6 Aug 14

MERoden says...

I am a car driver. I use that road regularly and I think the main problem is with the layout of the roundabout at Spytty Park. The degree of turn is far too sharp. When I am going round that particular roundabout, I always have to go extra slow because otherwise you feel like you are going to topple over. I can see how lorries would topple over here.

Therefore, yes, it is a design fault with that particular roundabout.
I am a car driver. I use that road regularly and I think the main problem is with the layout of the roundabout at Spytty Park. The degree of turn is far too sharp. When I am going round that particular roundabout, I always have to go extra slow because otherwise you feel like you are going to topple over. I can see how lorries would topple over here. Therefore, yes, it is a design fault with that particular roundabout. MERoden
  • Score: 18

10:41am Wed 6 Aug 14

landyman3030 says...

The entire road from Ebbw Bridge roundabout to Balfe Road roundabout is poorly designed. Roundabouts that are to narrow for three lanes, confusion of three lanes into two and then back to three and being allowed to turn right from a middle lane at KFC roundabout towards Spytty Retail Park.
But how many times again and again do we all witness car drivers being unable to stay in their own lane without wandering into the next lane? Longer vehicles have no chance even at low speeds. But the constant that is always with us is driver error and speed. I don't care how awkward a corner is or how tight a lane is, if you enter it at the correct speed and pay attention you will navigate it correctly.
I believe it's about time we got the speed cameras out on this road. Force people to slow down and pay attention.
Even if you are a stranger to the road, if you get caught out by an unexpected twist in the road or catch the kerb you are not driving with due care and attention. If you strike the kerb in your test in any vehicle you fail. Simple.
The entire road from Ebbw Bridge roundabout to Balfe Road roundabout is poorly designed. Roundabouts that are to narrow for three lanes, confusion of three lanes into two and then back to three and being allowed to turn right from a middle lane at KFC roundabout towards Spytty Retail Park. But how many times again and again do we all witness car drivers being unable to stay in their own lane without wandering into the next lane? Longer vehicles have no chance even at low speeds. But the constant that is always with us is driver error and speed. I don't care how awkward a corner is or how tight a lane is, if you enter it at the correct speed and pay attention you will navigate it correctly. I believe it's about time we got the speed cameras out on this road. Force people to slow down and pay attention. Even if you are a stranger to the road, if you get caught out by an unexpected twist in the road or catch the kerb you are not driving with due care and attention. If you strike the kerb in your test in any vehicle you fail. Simple. landyman3030
  • Score: 8

11:17am Wed 6 Aug 14

davidcp says...

Freedom of Information application to Gwent Police accident stats office, perhaps?
Freedom of Information application to Gwent Police accident stats office, perhaps? davidcp
  • Score: -1

11:37am Wed 6 Aug 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

landyman3030 wrote:
The entire road from Ebbw Bridge roundabout to Balfe Road roundabout is poorly designed. Roundabouts that are to narrow for three lanes, confusion of three lanes into two and then back to three and being allowed to turn right from a middle lane at KFC roundabout towards Spytty Retail Park.
But how many times again and again do we all witness car drivers being unable to stay in their own lane without wandering into the next lane? Longer vehicles have no chance even at low speeds. But the constant that is always with us is driver error and speed. I don't care how awkward a corner is or how tight a lane is, if you enter it at the correct speed and pay attention you will navigate it correctly.
I believe it's about time we got the speed cameras out on this road. Force people to slow down and pay attention.
Even if you are a stranger to the road, if you get caught out by an unexpected twist in the road or catch the kerb you are not driving with due care and attention. If you strike the kerb in your test in any vehicle you fail. Simple.
The design for this dual carriageway was compromised by linking to existing roads. Staying in-lane in a car at crawl speed is hard enough and the 3 lane roundabout at Nash tech confuses many drivers. Speed cameras would be treating the symptom not the cause and won't solve the problem. The roundabouts are simply too frequent and too tight for this road. They need to be re-designed and properly engineered.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: The entire road from Ebbw Bridge roundabout to Balfe Road roundabout is poorly designed. Roundabouts that are to narrow for three lanes, confusion of three lanes into two and then back to three and being allowed to turn right from a middle lane at KFC roundabout towards Spytty Retail Park. But how many times again and again do we all witness car drivers being unable to stay in their own lane without wandering into the next lane? Longer vehicles have no chance even at low speeds. But the constant that is always with us is driver error and speed. I don't care how awkward a corner is or how tight a lane is, if you enter it at the correct speed and pay attention you will navigate it correctly. I believe it's about time we got the speed cameras out on this road. Force people to slow down and pay attention. Even if you are a stranger to the road, if you get caught out by an unexpected twist in the road or catch the kerb you are not driving with due care and attention. If you strike the kerb in your test in any vehicle you fail. Simple.[/p][/quote]The design for this dual carriageway was compromised by linking to existing roads. Staying in-lane in a car at crawl speed is hard enough and the 3 lane roundabout at Nash tech confuses many drivers. Speed cameras would be treating the symptom not the cause and won't solve the problem. The roundabouts are simply too frequent and too tight for this road. They need to be re-designed and properly engineered. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 12

1:25pm Wed 6 Aug 14

The Destroyer says...

The roundabouts are to blame - that and the farcical amount of traffic lights! It amazes me how there has not been a serious accident caused by the people who have to queue to enter Maesglas tip.
And has anyone ever worked out what the roundabout between Maesglas tip and the Tredegar Park roundabout is for?
Never mind - once the M4 relief road is built...............
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The roundabouts are to blame - that and the farcical amount of traffic lights! It amazes me how there has not been a serious accident caused by the people who have to queue to enter Maesglas tip. And has anyone ever worked out what the roundabout between Maesglas tip and the Tredegar Park roundabout is for? Never mind - once the M4 relief road is built............... .................... .... The Destroyer
  • Score: 13

3:09pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Woodgnome says...

Few people signal on the SDR so you don't know which direction they are going and they travel at speed determined no-one should impede their progress.
The Destroyer is dead right about Newport tip. The tailbacks onto the carriageway are an accident waiting to happen.
Few people signal on the SDR so you don't know which direction they are going and they travel at speed determined no-one should impede their progress. The Destroyer is dead right about Newport tip. The tailbacks onto the carriageway are an accident waiting to happen. Woodgnome
  • Score: 10

5:12pm Wed 6 Aug 14

displayed says...

The roundabout is made for cars and vans, as trucks seem to think they should power round there!

They should take a test to use it!

Next!
The roundabout is made for cars and vans, as trucks seem to think they should power round there! They should take a test to use it! Next! displayed
  • Score: -7

8:44pm Wed 6 Aug 14

keithbob says...

displayed wrote:
The roundabout is made for cars and vans, as trucks seem to think they should power round there!

They should take a test to use it!

Next!
one word.knob!
[quote][p][bold]displayed[/bold] wrote: The roundabout is made for cars and vans, as trucks seem to think they should power round there! They should take a test to use it! Next![/p][/quote]one word.knob! keithbob
  • Score: -1

10:13pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

"Doing nothing is not an option."

Perhaps intelligent, talented and professional experts could conduct a survey of the road in an attempt to do their best to ensure that it is made safer. Although they might need to steel themselves yet again for macho petrolheads and certain opportunistic elements of the sensationalist 'media' to moan about anything that may delay them however slightly in getting to work. Better to be late in this world than early in the next, eh? Although, in my own personal experience I'm at the stage where I'm considering if 'the next' wouldn't necessarily (to introduce yet another gratuitous double-negative;) not be a more favourable option.
"Doing nothing is not an option." Perhaps intelligent, talented and professional experts could conduct a survey of the road in an attempt to do their best to ensure that it is made safer. Although they might need to steel themselves yet again for macho petrolheads and certain opportunistic elements of the sensationalist 'media' to moan about anything that may delay them however slightly in getting to work. Better to be late in this world than early in the next, eh? Although, in my own personal experience I'm at the stage where I'm considering if 'the next' wouldn't necessarily (to introduce yet another gratuitous double-negative;) not be a more favourable option. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -2

11:34pm Wed 6 Aug 14

displayed says...

keithbob wrote:
displayed wrote:
The roundabout is made for cars and vans, as trucks seem to think they should power round there!

They should take a test to use it!

Next!
one word.knob!
I agree with u Keith absolutely, tho I wouldnt have used that word.
Its clear the authorities need to do something about the HGV drivers who travel on these roads, extra training perhaps, what say u...................
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[quote][p][bold]keithbob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]displayed[/bold] wrote: The roundabout is made for cars and vans, as trucks seem to think they should power round there! They should take a test to use it! Next![/p][/quote]one word.knob![/p][/quote]I agree with u Keith absolutely, tho I wouldnt have used that word. Its clear the authorities need to do something about the HGV drivers who travel on these roads, extra training perhaps, what say u................... ... displayed
  • Score: 0

11:47pm Wed 6 Aug 14

landyman3030 says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Few people signal on the SDR so you don't know which direction they are going and they travel at speed determined no-one should impede their progress.
The Destroyer is dead right about Newport tip. The tailbacks onto the carriageway are an accident waiting to happen.
Yet the NCC feel it is acceptable to shorten access times in the week and at weekends and close most bank holidays. I've complained to NCC about the dangerous queues of traffic trying to access the site to be met with complete indifference by all and was told it was Ringways fault for not designing a proper access. Ring way say they are not responsible for traffic caused by a site off the road and I was advised to contact the NCC or the Police. It was that bad at the time that I did report the danger to the Police requesting a call back from them. Still waiting.
So we have to wait until another large vehicle is driven without due care into the line of traffic waiting to recycle their rubbish. Think I'm exaggerating? Go and watch the speeds for yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Few people signal on the SDR so you don't know which direction they are going and they travel at speed determined no-one should impede their progress. The Destroyer is dead right about Newport tip. The tailbacks onto the carriageway are an accident waiting to happen.[/p][/quote]Yet the NCC feel it is acceptable to shorten access times in the week and at weekends and close most bank holidays. I've complained to NCC about the dangerous queues of traffic trying to access the site to be met with complete indifference by all and was told it was Ringways fault for not designing a proper access. Ring way say they are not responsible for traffic caused by a site off the road and I was advised to contact the NCC or the Police. It was that bad at the time that I did report the danger to the Police requesting a call back from them. Still waiting. So we have to wait until another large vehicle is driven without due care into the line of traffic waiting to recycle their rubbish. Think I'm exaggerating? Go and watch the speeds for yourself. landyman3030
  • Score: 3

11:55pm Wed 6 Aug 14

landyman3030 says...

Thomas O'Malley wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
The entire road from Ebbw Bridge roundabout to Balfe Road roundabout is poorly designed. Roundabouts that are to narrow for three lanes, confusion of three lanes into two and then back to three and being allowed to turn right from a middle lane at KFC roundabout towards Spytty Retail Park.
But how many times again and again do we all witness car drivers being unable to stay in their own lane without wandering into the next lane? Longer vehicles have no chance even at low speeds. But the constant that is always with us is driver error and speed. I don't care how awkward a corner is or how tight a lane is, if you enter it at the correct speed and pay attention you will navigate it correctly.
I believe it's about time we got the speed cameras out on this road. Force people to slow down and pay attention.
Even if you are a stranger to the road, if you get caught out by an unexpected twist in the road or catch the kerb you are not driving with due care and attention. If you strike the kerb in your test in any vehicle you fail. Simple.
The design for this dual carriageway was compromised by linking to existing roads. Staying in-lane in a car at crawl speed is hard enough and the 3 lane roundabout at Nash tech confuses many drivers. Speed cameras would be treating the symptom not the cause and won't solve the problem. The roundabouts are simply too frequent and too tight for this road. They need to be re-designed and properly engineered.
Speed cameras are cheaper and available now when they are needed. Re engineering will never happen. The WAG will never have the money spare. They only have a budget of £15,000,000,000,000
. And they gave another £1.5,000,000 to the Welsh Language crowd for drop in learning centres today. Record numbers of police taking people to hospitals with no beds available because there are no ambulances available and we give ANOTHER £1.5,000,000 to the cause. Maybe if we promise to banish all road signs saying Newport in favour of Casnewydd we can get some money off Meris to re engineer the road.
[quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: The entire road from Ebbw Bridge roundabout to Balfe Road roundabout is poorly designed. Roundabouts that are to narrow for three lanes, confusion of three lanes into two and then back to three and being allowed to turn right from a middle lane at KFC roundabout towards Spytty Retail Park. But how many times again and again do we all witness car drivers being unable to stay in their own lane without wandering into the next lane? Longer vehicles have no chance even at low speeds. But the constant that is always with us is driver error and speed. I don't care how awkward a corner is or how tight a lane is, if you enter it at the correct speed and pay attention you will navigate it correctly. I believe it's about time we got the speed cameras out on this road. Force people to slow down and pay attention. Even if you are a stranger to the road, if you get caught out by an unexpected twist in the road or catch the kerb you are not driving with due care and attention. If you strike the kerb in your test in any vehicle you fail. Simple.[/p][/quote]The design for this dual carriageway was compromised by linking to existing roads. Staying in-lane in a car at crawl speed is hard enough and the 3 lane roundabout at Nash tech confuses many drivers. Speed cameras would be treating the symptom not the cause and won't solve the problem. The roundabouts are simply too frequent and too tight for this road. They need to be re-designed and properly engineered.[/p][/quote]Speed cameras are cheaper and available now when they are needed. Re engineering will never happen. The WAG will never have the money spare. They only have a budget of £15,000,000,000,000 . And they gave another £1.5,000,000 to the Welsh Language crowd for drop in learning centres today. Record numbers of police taking people to hospitals with no beds available because there are no ambulances available and we give ANOTHER £1.5,000,000 to the cause. Maybe if we promise to banish all road signs saying Newport in favour of Casnewydd we can get some money off Meris to re engineer the road. landyman3030
  • Score: 2

1:08am Thu 7 Aug 14

warneboy says...

This road has already claimed one young life.
This road has already claimed one young life. warneboy
  • Score: -3

1:58am Thu 7 Aug 14

slice_of_life says...

The Destroyer wrote:
The roundabouts are to blame - that and the farcical amount of traffic lights! It amazes me how there has not been a serious accident caused by the people who have to queue to enter Maesglas tip.
And has anyone ever worked out what the roundabout between Maesglas tip and the Tredegar Park roundabout is for?
Never mind - once the M4 relief road is built...............

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the roundabout between Maesglas tip and Tredegar Park gives access to a sport ground? BUT ALSO allows you to exit the tip in the left hand lane and double back at the fore mentioned roundabout and head back towards the Transporter bridge - saves you queuing to go right (obviously clockwise around the roundabout before someone points this out) waiting for a gap from traffic coming from the right that is either going to right to Maesglas retail park or carrying on the SDR...because it is a busy road.
[quote][p][bold]The Destroyer[/bold] wrote: The roundabouts are to blame - that and the farcical amount of traffic lights! It amazes me how there has not been a serious accident caused by the people who have to queue to enter Maesglas tip. And has anyone ever worked out what the roundabout between Maesglas tip and the Tredegar Park roundabout is for? Never mind - once the M4 relief road is built............... .................... ....[/p][/quote][i'm not disputing posts above, just reponding to a particular question] the roundabout between Maesglas tip and Tredegar Park gives access to a sport ground? BUT ALSO allows you to exit the tip in the left hand lane and double back at the fore mentioned roundabout and head back towards the Transporter bridge - saves you queuing to go right (obviously clockwise around the roundabout before someone points this out) waiting for a gap from traffic coming from the right that is either going to right to Maesglas retail park or carrying on the SDR...because it is a busy road. slice_of_life
  • Score: 1

2:21pm Wed 20 Aug 14

slice_of_life says...

the roundabout between Maesglas tip and Tredegar Park give access to sport ground BUT ALSO allow you to exit the tip in the left hand lane and double back at the forementioned roundabout and head backtowards the Transporter bridge - saves you queuing to go right (obviously clockwise around the roundabout) waiting for a gap from traffic coming from the right that is either going to Maesglas retail park or carrying on the SDR.
the roundabout between Maesglas tip and Tredegar Park give access to sport ground BUT ALSO allow you to exit the tip in the left hand lane and double back at the forementioned roundabout and head backtowards the Transporter bridge - saves you queuing to go right (obviously clockwise around the roundabout) waiting for a gap from traffic coming from the right that is either going to Maesglas retail park or carrying on the SDR. slice_of_life
  • Score: 0

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