Legal battle over Newport taxis cost taxpayers £342,000

South Wales Argus: LEGAL BATTLE: Taxis on the rank at Newport train station LEGAL BATTLE: Taxis on the rank at Newport train station

TAXPAYERS will have to pay a cab bill of more than £300,000 following a dispute over the age of Newport’s Hackney carriage fleet.

The final bill for the cost of a judicial review over Newport City Council rules banning old taxis is £342,625.

The figure could be enough to buy at least ten hackney cabs, according to Lionel Morris, chairman of the Newport Hackney Carriage Drivers Association which brought the action against Newport council.

The judicial review in 2009 overturned a decision by the previous Tory and Liberal Democrat administration to impose age limits on Hackney carriages, meaning they could be no older than 12 years old.

Tory leader and former council leader Cllr Matthew Evans said he agreed that the costs were extortionate.

But he said the decision they took to go to consultation to ensure taxis were safe was “the right decision”

and had cross-party support at the time.

Cllr Evans said the fact that the association went with a no win, no fee arrangement and appointed “top class barristers from London” meant nobody won.

Newport council leader Bob Bright said the final and total costs for the judicial review to the council were £342,625.

This included the council’s legal costs of £10,640 and the other side’s costs, which were eventually settled for £331,975, including interest.

Cllr Bright said the case was brought on a ‘no win, no fee’ basis with a 100 per cent success fee.

The association’s Lionel Morris, who led the action against the council, said alternative proposals had been suggested: “All this could have been avoided.”

He said the average new Hackney cab costs £30,000 over five years, and he believed that there were 20 Hackney carriages on the road at the moment more than ten years old.

Gail Giles, cabinet member for licensing, said: “It’s a particular blow, at this time of financial difficulties, for the authority to take the burden of mistakes that were made by the previous administration.”

Labour councillor Allan Morris, the current chair of licensing, said it was “up to us to show that it never happens again”.

The council is currently consulting on new charges for taxi drivers, including higher fees for older vehicles.

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9:19am Fri 28 Sep 12

pinpong says...

I may be wrong. But i saw a previous argus articloe where the labour party are still trying to do this via the back door by bringing in different fees for different age taxis
I may be wrong. But i saw a previous argus articloe where the labour party are still trying to do this via the back door by bringing in different fees for different age taxis pinpong

10:23am Fri 28 Sep 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

pinpong - good point
pinpong - good point james.dyer7@ntlworld.com

10:52am Fri 28 Sep 12

b3talover says...

Safety has to come before taxi driver profits.
Safety has to come before taxi driver profits. b3talover

10:58am Fri 28 Sep 12

Howie' says...

pinpong wrote:
I may be wrong. But i saw a previous argus articloe where the labour party are still trying to do this via the back door by bringing in different fees for different age taxis
You are wrong. The Council are increasing the fees that are presently charged to bring them in line with other areas because they have not increased for some time. Nothing 'back door' about it.
[quote][p][bold]pinpong[/bold] wrote: I may be wrong. But i saw a previous argus articloe where the labour party are still trying to do this via the back door by bringing in different fees for different age taxis[/p][/quote]You are wrong. The Council are increasing the fees that are presently charged to bring them in line with other areas because they have not increased for some time. Nothing 'back door' about it. Howie'

11:07am Fri 28 Sep 12

pinpong says...

Howie' wrote:
pinpong wrote: I may be wrong. But i saw a previous argus articloe where the labour party are still trying to do this via the back door by bringing in different fees for different age taxis
You are wrong. The Council are increasing the fees that are presently charged to bring them in line with other areas because they have not increased for some time. Nothing 'back door' about it.
So why are they charging more if your car is 15 years old? I agree that the taxi drivers have had services on the cheap and that they should be brought into line but there are councillors in this article who are making out that the the last council caused this problem but they are now doing exactly what the last council did.
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pinpong[/bold] wrote: I may be wrong. But i saw a previous argus articloe where the labour party are still trying to do this via the back door by bringing in different fees for different age taxis[/p][/quote]You are wrong. The Council are increasing the fees that are presently charged to bring them in line with other areas because they have not increased for some time. Nothing 'back door' about it.[/p][/quote]So why are they charging more if your car is 15 years old? I agree that the taxi drivers have had services on the cheap and that they should be brought into line but there are councillors in this article who are making out that the the last council caused this problem but they are now doing exactly what the last council did. pinpong

12:15pm Fri 28 Sep 12

snafu1 says...

Good people of newport if you are interested,read the INTERNAL REPORT done by the council the links are on their website ,comes with a tin of white paint plus brush.
Good people of newport if you are interested,read the INTERNAL REPORT done by the council the links are on their website ,comes with a tin of white paint plus brush. snafu1

12:15pm Fri 28 Sep 12

snafu1 says...

Good people of newport if you are interested,read the INTERNAL REPORT done by the council the links are on their website ,comes with a tin of white paint plus brush.
Good people of newport if you are interested,read the INTERNAL REPORT done by the council the links are on their website ,comes with a tin of white paint plus brush. snafu1

12:15pm Fri 28 Sep 12

snafu1 says...

Good people of newport if you are interested,read the INTERNAL REPORT done by the council the links are on their website ,comes with a tin of white paint plus brush.
Good people of newport if you are interested,read the INTERNAL REPORT done by the council the links are on their website ,comes with a tin of white paint plus brush. snafu1

1:12pm Fri 28 Sep 12

Arco2012 says...

Hark at the cheap shots by Giles and Morris above, £342k cost to tax payers is a shot in the dark to the £2,000,000,000,000,
000 cost to Tax payers the last Socialist Government did to the UK!! Some of the Cabs were death traps and the idea of regulation is a sensible one.
Hark at the cheap shots by Giles and Morris above, £342k cost to tax payers is a shot in the dark to the £2,000,000,000,000, 000 cost to Tax payers the last Socialist Government did to the UK!! Some of the Cabs were death traps and the idea of regulation is a sensible one. Arco2012

5:09pm Fri 28 Sep 12

Howie' says...

pinpong wrote:
Howie' wrote:
pinpong wrote: I may be wrong. But i saw a previous argus articloe where the labour party are still trying to do this via the back door by bringing in different fees for different age taxis
You are wrong. The Council are increasing the fees that are presently charged to bring them in line with other areas because they have not increased for some time. Nothing 'back door' about it.
So why are they charging more if your car is 15 years old? I agree that the taxi drivers have had services on the cheap and that they should be brought into line but there are councillors in this article who are making out that the the last council caused this problem but they are now doing exactly what the last council did.
So why are they charging more if your car is 15 years old?

They are not, the 15 years was a proposed limit for the age of a Taxi, now dropped.

All this Council is doing is increasing the present fees including those for vehicles over 3 and 12 years old.
[quote][p][bold]pinpong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pinpong[/bold] wrote: I may be wrong. But i saw a previous argus articloe where the labour party are still trying to do this via the back door by bringing in different fees for different age taxis[/p][/quote]You are wrong. The Council are increasing the fees that are presently charged to bring them in line with other areas because they have not increased for some time. Nothing 'back door' about it.[/p][/quote]So why are they charging more if your car is 15 years old? I agree that the taxi drivers have had services on the cheap and that they should be brought into line but there are councillors in this article who are making out that the the last council caused this problem but they are now doing exactly what the last council did.[/p][/quote]So why are they charging more if your car is 15 years old? They are not, the 15 years was a proposed limit for the age of a Taxi, now dropped. All this Council is doing is increasing the present fees including those for vehicles over 3 and 12 years old. Howie'

6:40pm Fri 28 Sep 12

Bobevans says...

More daft waste by Newport Council. Provided the taxis comply with all the current requirements what does it matter how old a taxi is. THey have to pass annual inspections each year

Maybe we should have legislation to require councillors that are past it to redign. A maximum age of state retirement age perhaps.
More daft waste by Newport Council. Provided the taxis comply with all the current requirements what does it matter how old a taxi is. THey have to pass annual inspections each year Maybe we should have legislation to require councillors that are past it to redign. A maximum age of state retirement age perhaps. Bobevans

7:29pm Fri 28 Sep 12

Ranger12 says...

The condition of Newport taxi's is generally poor and reflects badly on the City. I wonder whether annual checks are sufficient for cars of > 5 years old a lot can deteriorate v quickly at that age and use of vehicle.

A five year limit would seem reasonable to me.
The condition of Newport taxi's is generally poor and reflects badly on the City. I wonder whether annual checks are sufficient for cars of > 5 years old a lot can deteriorate v quickly at that age and use of vehicle. A five year limit would seem reasonable to me. Ranger12

8:44pm Fri 28 Sep 12

sugar2002ukuk says...

I have used the hackney cabs a few times lately the 5 I used were filthy inside. A lot of them maybe roadworthy but look like sheds and are not clean on the outside either. The customer service is also poor as well. On a recent visit to london took a few cabs spotless inside and lovely drivers full of hints and tips about London a lesson to be learned I think.
I have used the hackney cabs a few times lately the 5 I used were filthy inside. A lot of them maybe roadworthy but look like sheds and are not clean on the outside either. The customer service is also poor as well. On a recent visit to london took a few cabs spotless inside and lovely drivers full of hints and tips about London a lesson to be learned I think. sugar2002ukuk

9:17pm Fri 28 Sep 12

Riley2012 says...

I agree with sugar 2002ukuk, a lot of the so called black cabs(delivery bread vans made into taxi's) are really rough outside and inside, and give a bad impression , they can be made to pass the test not much difficult than the current mot test just a few council by laws and they are away, a lot of black cabs are rough, but still charge the same as the real nice cabs credit to the tidy neat black cabs owners, the rough cabs should not allowed to trade.
I agree with sugar 2002ukuk, a lot of the so called black cabs(delivery bread vans made into taxi's) are really rough outside and inside, and give a bad impression , they can be made to pass the test not much difficult than the current mot test just a few council by laws and they are away, a lot of black cabs are rough, but still charge the same as the real nice cabs credit to the tidy neat black cabs owners, the rough cabs should not allowed to trade. Riley2012

9:07am Sat 29 Sep 12

chris227 says...

what ever makes newport council think that people living in the most run down deprived down trodden filthy dirty poor scruffy town that models itself on port talbot cafe about getting in a older car.
what ever makes newport council think that people living in the most run down deprived down trodden filthy dirty poor scruffy town that models itself on port talbot cafe about getting in a older car. chris227

9:13am Sat 29 Sep 12

Bobevans says...

sugar2002ukuk wrote:
I have used the hackney cabs a few times lately the 5 I used were filthy inside. A lot of them maybe roadworthy but look like sheds and are not clean on the outside either. The customer service is also poor as well. On a recent visit to london took a few cabs spotless inside and lovely drivers full of hints and tips about London a lesson to be learned I think.
This though is not down to the age of the cab. Newport Council does little to enforce legislation. In London the cabs are properly regulated and spot inspections found.If a cab was found to be dirty it could be ordered off the road untill it was properly cleaned up
[quote][p][bold]sugar2002ukuk[/bold] wrote: I have used the hackney cabs a few times lately the 5 I used were filthy inside. A lot of them maybe roadworthy but look like sheds and are not clean on the outside either. The customer service is also poor as well. On a recent visit to london took a few cabs spotless inside and lovely drivers full of hints and tips about London a lesson to be learned I think.[/p][/quote]This though is not down to the age of the cab. Newport Council does little to enforce legislation. In London the cabs are properly regulated and spot inspections found.If a cab was found to be dirty it could be ordered off the road untill it was properly cleaned up Bobevans

3:00pm Sat 29 Sep 12

b3talover says...

Arco2012 wrote:
Hark at the cheap shots by Giles and Morris above, £342k cost to tax payers is a shot in the dark to the £2,000,000,000,000,

000 cost to Tax payers the last Socialist Government did to the UK!! Some of the Cabs were death traps and the idea of regulation is a sensible one.
The Office for National Statistics reports that the June public sector borrowing total was £14.4bn, £500 million higher than in the corresponding month in 2011. The total budget deficit has also risen under the coalition. These are the facts.
[quote][p][bold]Arco2012[/bold] wrote: Hark at the cheap shots by Giles and Morris above, £342k cost to tax payers is a shot in the dark to the £2,000,000,000,000, 000 cost to Tax payers the last Socialist Government did to the UK!! Some of the Cabs were death traps and the idea of regulation is a sensible one.[/p][/quote]The Office for National Statistics reports that the June public sector borrowing total was £14.4bn, £500 million higher than in the corresponding month in 2011. The total budget deficit has also risen under the coalition. These are the facts. b3talover

3:12pm Sat 29 Sep 12

chris227 says...

although the WAG has bled wales dry taking all the gtrant money that the english taxpayer gave it they have build them selves huge luxurious offices and gave themselves all six figures salaries much of wales like newport lives in abstract poverty but have got wales so hooked on benefits like drug addicts ensuring the farse goes on
although the WAG has bled wales dry taking all the gtrant money that the english taxpayer gave it they have build them selves huge luxurious offices and gave themselves all six figures salaries much of wales like newport lives in abstract poverty but have got wales so hooked on benefits like drug addicts ensuring the farse goes on chris227

3:42pm Sat 29 Sep 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

Chris - think you mean 'abject'
Chris - think you mean 'abject' james.dyer7@ntlworld.com

4:36pm Sat 29 Sep 12

Howie' says...

Bobevans wrote:
More daft waste by Newport Council. Provided the taxis comply with all the current requirements what does it matter how old a taxi is. THey have to pass annual inspections each year

Maybe we should have legislation to require councillors that are past it to redign. A maximum age of state retirement age perhaps.
I think you will find it is because when the cabs are older they are seen more often by Council officers, this in turn incurs a cost which is why you have differing fees. Easy when you think of it Bob.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: More daft waste by Newport Council. Provided the taxis comply with all the current requirements what does it matter how old a taxi is. THey have to pass annual inspections each year Maybe we should have legislation to require councillors that are past it to redign. A maximum age of state retirement age perhaps.[/p][/quote]I think you will find it is because when the cabs are older they are seen more often by Council officers, this in turn incurs a cost which is why you have differing fees. Easy when you think of it Bob. Howie'

4:46pm Sat 29 Sep 12

Howie' says...

Bobevans wrote:
sugar2002ukuk wrote:
I have used the hackney cabs a few times lately the 5 I used were filthy inside. A lot of them maybe roadworthy but look like sheds and are not clean on the outside either. The customer service is also poor as well. On a recent visit to london took a few cabs spotless inside and lovely drivers full of hints and tips about London a lesson to be learned I think.
This though is not down to the age of the cab. Newport Council does little to enforce legislation. In London the cabs are properly regulated and spot inspections found.If a cab was found to be dirty it could be ordered off the road untill it was properly cleaned up
It is the same in Newport as elsewhere. I reported a Taxi that was so dirty I had to wipe my feet before I stepped out. I phoned a few days later to find out what happened and apparently the driver had his licence suspended until the cab was cleaned and inspected, I was told that they also do spot checks and will take a cab off the road if it is in a dirty condition. But don't let facts get in the way of a good story Bob or in your case another groundless attack on a Labour Council.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sugar2002ukuk[/bold] wrote: I have used the hackney cabs a few times lately the 5 I used were filthy inside. A lot of them maybe roadworthy but look like sheds and are not clean on the outside either. The customer service is also poor as well. On a recent visit to london took a few cabs spotless inside and lovely drivers full of hints and tips about London a lesson to be learned I think.[/p][/quote]This though is not down to the age of the cab. Newport Council does little to enforce legislation. In London the cabs are properly regulated and spot inspections found.If a cab was found to be dirty it could be ordered off the road untill it was properly cleaned up[/p][/quote]It is the same in Newport as elsewhere. I reported a Taxi that was so dirty I had to wipe my feet before I stepped out. I phoned a few days later to find out what happened and apparently the driver had his licence suspended until the cab was cleaned and inspected, I was told that they also do spot checks and will take a cab off the road if it is in a dirty condition. But don't let facts get in the way of a good story Bob or in your case another groundless attack on a Labour Council. Howie'

6:01pm Sat 29 Sep 12

Dai Rear says...

Adrian Williams wrote:
Arco 2012 - go back to reading your Sun/ Daily Mail you moron. This govt is strangling the life out of the economy and everyone bar the rich is struggling
And if the government did something about easing the economy, like getting rid of Franco-German labour laws or lowering taxes by restricting welfare to the needy not the greedy your lot in socialist fairyland would be the first to scream. In passing, since there is a plethora of laws governing the construction and use of motor vehicles on our roads we need a further layer of expensive regulation by council clerks as much as we needed Gordon Brown's hatred of Britain. If a taxi is stinky don't get in. Get one that isn't. D'oh.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Arco 2012 - go back to reading your Sun/ Daily Mail you moron. This govt is strangling the life out of the economy and everyone bar the rich is struggling[/p][/quote]And if the government did something about easing the economy, like getting rid of Franco-German labour laws or lowering taxes by restricting welfare to the needy not the greedy your lot in socialist fairyland would be the first to scream. In passing, since there is a plethora of laws governing the construction and use of motor vehicles on our roads we need a further layer of expensive regulation by council clerks as much as we needed Gordon Brown's hatred of Britain. If a taxi is stinky don't get in. Get one that isn't. D'oh. Dai Rear

6:18pm Sat 29 Sep 12

Bobevans says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Adrian Williams wrote:
Arco 2012 - go back to reading your Sun/ Daily Mail you moron. This govt is strangling the life out of the economy and everyone bar the rich is struggling
And if the government did something about easing the economy, like getting rid of Franco-German labour laws or lowering taxes by restricting welfare to the needy not the greedy your lot in socialist fairyland would be the first to scream. In passing, since there is a plethora of laws governing the construction and use of motor vehicles on our roads we need a further layer of expensive regulation by council clerks as much as we needed Gordon Brown's hatred of Britain. If a taxi is stinky don't get in. Get one that isn't. D'oh.
What so many fail to understand is that UK spending has to be bought into line with revenues. THere is no magic trick that makes the deficit go away and one cannot spend ones way out of it although many dream that you can.

Until that balance is achivied between spending and income we will be in for an uncomfortable time. Once the balance is achieved the UK economy can start to grow.

Remember as well most of europe is also cutting back. We need to become mor competative and more efficient which means reducing taxes selectively. REmoving many of the workshy frombenefits and reducing the size of the public sector and makinmg LA's far more efficient then they are now.We caanot afford to carry deadwood.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Arco 2012 - go back to reading your Sun/ Daily Mail you moron. This govt is strangling the life out of the economy and everyone bar the rich is struggling[/p][/quote]And if the government did something about easing the economy, like getting rid of Franco-German labour laws or lowering taxes by restricting welfare to the needy not the greedy your lot in socialist fairyland would be the first to scream. In passing, since there is a plethora of laws governing the construction and use of motor vehicles on our roads we need a further layer of expensive regulation by council clerks as much as we needed Gordon Brown's hatred of Britain. If a taxi is stinky don't get in. Get one that isn't. D'oh.[/p][/quote]What so many fail to understand is that UK spending has to be bought into line with revenues. THere is no magic trick that makes the deficit go away and one cannot spend ones way out of it although many dream that you can. Until that balance is achivied between spending and income we will be in for an uncomfortable time. Once the balance is achieved the UK economy can start to grow. Remember as well most of europe is also cutting back. We need to become mor competative and more efficient which means reducing taxes selectively. REmoving many of the workshy frombenefits and reducing the size of the public sector and makinmg LA's far more efficient then they are now.We caanot afford to carry deadwood. Bobevans

6:22pm Sat 29 Sep 12

Bobevans says...

chris227 wrote:
although the WAG has bled wales dry taking all the gtrant money that the english taxpayer gave it they have build them selves huge luxurious offices and gave themselves all six figures salaries much of wales like newport lives in abstract poverty but have got wales so hooked on benefits like drug addicts ensuring the farse goes on
The problem is the money has now run out and Wales over the last 10 years has managed to perform sigificantly worse than almost anywhere else in the UK in spite of having the largests increases in funding. In fact the data tends to indicate that the more money Wales has been given the worse it performs.

REducing the funding to WAles is probably the best thing for it as it reduces the current dependency culture and forces WAles to have to address it's problems rather than hide them with subsidies
[quote][p][bold]chris227[/bold] wrote: although the WAG has bled wales dry taking all the gtrant money that the english taxpayer gave it they have build them selves huge luxurious offices and gave themselves all six figures salaries much of wales like newport lives in abstract poverty but have got wales so hooked on benefits like drug addicts ensuring the farse goes on[/p][/quote]The problem is the money has now run out and Wales over the last 10 years has managed to perform sigificantly worse than almost anywhere else in the UK in spite of having the largests increases in funding. In fact the data tends to indicate that the more money Wales has been given the worse it performs. REducing the funding to WAles is probably the best thing for it as it reduces the current dependency culture and forces WAles to have to address it's problems rather than hide them with subsidies Bobevans

8:30pm Sat 29 Sep 12

sugar2002ukuk says...

Howie' wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
sugar2002ukuk wrote:
I have used the hackney cabs a few times lately the 5 I used were filthy inside. A lot of them maybe roadworthy but look like sheds and are not clean on the outside either. The customer service is also poor as well. On a recent visit to london took a few cabs spotless inside and lovely drivers full of hints and tips about London a lesson to be learned I think.
This though is not down to the age of the cab. Newport Council does little to enforce legislation. In London the cabs are properly regulated and spot inspections found.If a cab was found to be dirty it could be ordered off the road untill it was properly cleaned up
It is the same in Newport as elsewhere. I reported a Taxi that was so dirty I had to wipe my feet before I stepped out. I phoned a few days later to find out what happened and apparently the driver had his licence suspended until the cab was cleaned and inspected, I was told that they also do spot checks and will take a cab off the road if it is in a dirty condition. But don't let facts get in the way of a good story Bob or in your case another groundless attack on a Labour Council.
They obviously dont spot check enough because a lot of the taxis that use the bus station rank are filthy. The drivers should be ashamed even as old as they are a mop, cloth and cleaning spray wouldnt go amiss. I was unaware that I could report them for having a filthy cab if it happens again I will make sure I report them. Theres no excuse for filthy cabs and rude drivers.
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sugar2002ukuk[/bold] wrote: I have used the hackney cabs a few times lately the 5 I used were filthy inside. A lot of them maybe roadworthy but look like sheds and are not clean on the outside either. The customer service is also poor as well. On a recent visit to london took a few cabs spotless inside and lovely drivers full of hints and tips about London a lesson to be learned I think.[/p][/quote]This though is not down to the age of the cab. Newport Council does little to enforce legislation. In London the cabs are properly regulated and spot inspections found.If a cab was found to be dirty it could be ordered off the road untill it was properly cleaned up[/p][/quote]It is the same in Newport as elsewhere. I reported a Taxi that was so dirty I had to wipe my feet before I stepped out. I phoned a few days later to find out what happened and apparently the driver had his licence suspended until the cab was cleaned and inspected, I was told that they also do spot checks and will take a cab off the road if it is in a dirty condition. But don't let facts get in the way of a good story Bob or in your case another groundless attack on a Labour Council.[/p][/quote]They obviously dont spot check enough because a lot of the taxis that use the bus station rank are filthy. The drivers should be ashamed even as old as they are a mop, cloth and cleaning spray wouldnt go amiss. I was unaware that I could report them for having a filthy cab if it happens again I will make sure I report them. Theres no excuse for filthy cabs and rude drivers. sugar2002ukuk

9:22pm Sat 29 Sep 12

Dave on his Soapbox says...

....this was all about the council's grandiose designs for the city.....which required a city centre campus....a new shopping mall.....this and that 'Quarter'.....and with hosting the Ryder Cup...a must was Black Cabs....and the requirement was the council's way to achieve this.
It's not in the interest of someone who earns their income to have defective or faulty equipment.....with a Blame/Claim culture etc....most taxi drivers look afer their equipment...but like with every aspect of life you have exceptions.
....this was all about the council's grandiose designs for the city.....which required a city centre campus....a new shopping mall.....this and that 'Quarter'.....and with hosting the Ryder Cup...a must was Black Cabs....and the requirement was the council's way to achieve this. It's not in the interest of someone who earns their income to have defective or faulty equipment.....with a Blame/Claim culture etc....most taxi drivers look afer their equipment...but like with every aspect of life you have exceptions. Dave on his Soapbox

10:19pm Sat 29 Sep 12

chris227 says...

Bobevans wrote:
chris227 wrote:
although the WAG has bled wales dry taking all the gtrant money that the english taxpayer gave it they have build them selves huge luxurious offices and gave themselves all six figures salaries much of wales like newport lives in abstract poverty but have got wales so hooked on benefits like drug addicts ensuring the farse goes on
The problem is the money has now run out and Wales over the last 10 years has managed to perform sigificantly worse than almost anywhere else in the UK in spite of having the largests increases in funding. In fact the data tends to indicate that the more money Wales has been given the worse it performs.

REducing the funding to WAles is probably the best thing for it as it reduces the current dependency culture and forces WAles to have to address it's problems rather than hide them with subsidies
the m0ney should have been used to srap the severn bridge tolls and ban that stupid welsh lanuage then ask any remaining employers why they treat walkes like the black death
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris227[/bold] wrote: although the WAG has bled wales dry taking all the gtrant money that the english taxpayer gave it they have build them selves huge luxurious offices and gave themselves all six figures salaries much of wales like newport lives in abstract poverty but have got wales so hooked on benefits like drug addicts ensuring the farse goes on[/p][/quote]The problem is the money has now run out and Wales over the last 10 years has managed to perform sigificantly worse than almost anywhere else in the UK in spite of having the largests increases in funding. In fact the data tends to indicate that the more money Wales has been given the worse it performs. REducing the funding to WAles is probably the best thing for it as it reduces the current dependency culture and forces WAles to have to address it's problems rather than hide them with subsidies[/p][/quote]the m0ney should have been used to srap the severn bridge tolls and ban that stupid welsh lanuage then ask any remaining employers why they treat walkes like the black death chris227

11:55pm Sat 29 Sep 12

Howie' says...

chris227 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
chris227 wrote:
although the WAG has bled wales dry taking all the gtrant money that the english taxpayer gave it they have build them selves huge luxurious offices and gave themselves all six figures salaries much of wales like newport lives in abstract poverty but have got wales so hooked on benefits like drug addicts ensuring the farse goes on
The problem is the money has now run out and Wales over the last 10 years has managed to perform sigificantly worse than almost anywhere else in the UK in spite of having the largests increases in funding. In fact the data tends to indicate that the more money Wales has been given the worse it performs.

REducing the funding to WAles is probably the best thing for it as it reduces the current dependency culture and forces WAles to have to address it's problems rather than hide them with subsidies
the m0ney should have been used to srap the severn bridge tolls and ban that stupid welsh lanuage then ask any remaining employers why they treat walkes like the black death
I hope you do not take this as an insult Chris but I have east European friends who have a better grasp of the English language and English literature than you have. You are better than 'two capitals' Bob though.
[quote][p][bold]chris227[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris227[/bold] wrote: although the WAG has bled wales dry taking all the gtrant money that the english taxpayer gave it they have build them selves huge luxurious offices and gave themselves all six figures salaries much of wales like newport lives in abstract poverty but have got wales so hooked on benefits like drug addicts ensuring the farse goes on[/p][/quote]The problem is the money has now run out and Wales over the last 10 years has managed to perform sigificantly worse than almost anywhere else in the UK in spite of having the largests increases in funding. In fact the data tends to indicate that the more money Wales has been given the worse it performs. REducing the funding to WAles is probably the best thing for it as it reduces the current dependency culture and forces WAles to have to address it's problems rather than hide them with subsidies[/p][/quote]the m0ney should have been used to srap the severn bridge tolls and ban that stupid welsh lanuage then ask any remaining employers why they treat walkes like the black death[/p][/quote]I hope you do not take this as an insult Chris but I have east European friends who have a better grasp of the English language and English literature than you have. You are better than 'two capitals' Bob though. Howie'

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