CHRIS KIRWAN SAYS: Benefits of an Australian win

IT would be painful to watch Wales suffer another agonising loss to Australia in December – but worth it in order to hammer home a point to the Welsh Rugby Union.

When the Wallabies head to Cardiff they will be taking on a side having to cope without the likes of Gethin Jenkins, Mike Phillips and James Hook.

The money-making Test falls outside of the IRB window, meaning it’s French club action rather than Dove Men Series for a sizeable chunk of Team Wales.

It’s Toulouse versus Clermont, Perpignan against Agen, Toulon taking on Grenoble on December 1.

But the owners of Top 14 clubs may not be focusing on domestic action that weekend – they may instead be watching the cattle market that is taking place at the Millennium Stadium.

The verbal jousting about the state of Welsh rugby continues while Frenchmen with deep pockets are poised with the fountain pens, ready to sign tempting cheques to wave under the noses of Jamie Roberts, Dan Lydiate and Alex Cuthbert.

The cycle will continue year on year; it’ll soon be Leigh Halfpenny, Sam Warburton, Jon Davies, Toby Faletau and Justin Tipuric.

The player drain won’t stop while the benefits of moving are bumper pay deals and the only cons are missing mum’s shepherd’s pie and the ability to watch Ffermio on S4C.

Ex-Newport owner Tony Brown copped some flak from WRU chief Roger Lewis for saying that he believes the Union is allowing the regions to “bleed to death”, but his comments led to plenty of nods of agreement.

International success shouldn’t be taken for granted and it must not be presumed that the young talent will keep being churned out.

The level below Test rugby needs to be thriving and at the moment it is suffering from a great depression with awful results and terrible attendances. It seems that the Union is happy as long as the Millennium Stadium is full and the debt is reduced. But they need to support the regions in their time of need and work towards a relationship that is more balanced.

So, those who like their rugby all year round rather than just autumn, February, March and June should be able to raise a smile if retiring Aussie great Nathan Sharpe signs off with a win in Cardiff.

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10:14am Thu 1 Nov 12

the dork says...

Steady on Chris NO one wants Wales to lose....point or no point! With a name like Kirwan are you a closet Ozzie
Steady on Chris NO one wants Wales to lose....point or no point! With a name like Kirwan are you a closet Ozzie the dork

10:40am Thu 1 Nov 12

high x boy says...

very good writing.
very good writing. high x boy

10:45am Thu 1 Nov 12

Regionalist says...

Spot on Chris, why should those who support club and/or regional rugby support the competitor bleeding them dry. All Roger Lewis cares about is reducing the Millstone Stadium debt and thus securing his big fat paycheque. It's high time the regional benefactors said no more subsidy of the national team at their expense and that of the pro game.
Spot on Chris, why should those who support club and/or regional rugby support the competitor bleeding them dry. All Roger Lewis cares about is reducing the Millstone Stadium debt and thus securing his big fat paycheque. It's high time the regional benefactors said no more subsidy of the national team at their expense and that of the pro game. Regionalist

1:04pm Thu 1 Nov 12

paddyparry says...

They are reaping the harvest that they sowed when they brought in regional rugby. The majority of fans have no real tie to what was brought into life. There was too much self-interest over what was best for the game. The people who led the review were not Welsh rugby folk but outsiders who had no feeling for the Welsh grassroots.

Don't believe me? I was at a benefit meal for Dafydd James and listened to Steve "fat loser" Hanson telling everyone how the regions were the best thing ever to hapen to Welsh rugby because the clubs were more interested in local rivalry and old grievenaces than what was best for the national team. The clean sweep of rugby left a much stronger structure.

Now we see that this was nothing of the sort. The regions lost the fans. People pack the Millenium because they no longer have a club to support in to flight competitive rugby.

The talent poeple is shrinking and then moving overseas. The clubs are neglected and unvalued by a Union that can't see the wood for the trees. They justify success on a full stadium for major internationals and an icreasing turnover - brought about by more worthless internationals.
They are reaping the harvest that they sowed when they brought in regional rugby. The majority of fans have no real tie to what was brought into life. There was too much self-interest over what was best for the game. The people who led the review were not Welsh rugby folk but outsiders who had no feeling for the Welsh grassroots. Don't believe me? I was at a benefit meal for Dafydd James and listened to Steve "fat loser" Hanson telling everyone how the regions were the best thing ever to hapen to Welsh rugby because the clubs were more interested in local rivalry and old grievenaces than what was best for the national team. The clean sweep of rugby left a much stronger structure. Now we see that this was nothing of the sort. The regions lost the fans. People pack the Millenium because they no longer have a club to support in to flight competitive rugby. The talent poeple is shrinking and then moving overseas. The clubs are neglected and unvalued by a Union that can't see the wood for the trees. They justify success on a full stadium for major internationals and an icreasing turnover - brought about by more worthless internationals. paddyparry

3:19pm Thu 1 Nov 12

NakedDancer says...

When we moved to the professional era the available money spread across a lot of welsh clubs was a problem and unsustainable. The Regions were a compromise because an agreement to reallocate the available clash to the clubs in the big population areas (Cardiff, Swansea, Newport) would never have been reached.

I think everyone expected the 'regional teams' to revert back into their historic names, legacy, image and traditional support within a few years.

Surely now its time to stop the pretence...end the Cardiff, Swansea, Newport, Llanelli participation in the Welsh Premier Division and make them the 'regions' with the funding the regions currently receive and with Premier Div clubs feeders to those 4.
When we moved to the professional era the available money spread across a lot of welsh clubs was a problem and unsustainable. The Regions were a compromise because an agreement to reallocate the available clash to the clubs in the big population areas (Cardiff, Swansea, Newport) would never have been reached. I think everyone expected the 'regional teams' to revert back into their historic names, legacy, image and traditional support within a few years. Surely now its time to stop the pretence...end the Cardiff, Swansea, Newport, Llanelli participation in the Welsh Premier Division and make them the 'regions' with the funding the regions currently receive and with Premier Div clubs feeders to those 4. NakedDancer

6:32pm Thu 1 Nov 12

monkeytennisboy says...

The wru have got to come forward with international players contracts of some form or before long there will be no welsh players of any talent playing regional rugby, and why should they when they can go elsewhere and earn a better living with a better way of life thrown in, all the wru need do is announce appearance bonuses to welsh international players who play for welsh regions, set at somewhere in the region of 100k, this on top of their negotiated regional contracts should ensure we keep a healthy quota of welsh internationals on home soil, while at the same time encouraging up and coming welsh players to push for international call ups to help secure there and there families futures.
The wru have got to come forward with international players contracts of some form or before long there will be no welsh players of any talent playing regional rugby, and why should they when they can go elsewhere and earn a better living with a better way of life thrown in, all the wru need do is announce appearance bonuses to welsh international players who play for welsh regions, set at somewhere in the region of 100k, this on top of their negotiated regional contracts should ensure we keep a healthy quota of welsh internationals on home soil, while at the same time encouraging up and coming welsh players to push for international call ups to help secure there and there families futures. monkeytennisboy

8:28pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Magoo30 says...

NakedDancer wrote:
When we moved to the professional era the available money spread across a lot of welsh clubs was a problem and unsustainable. The Regions were a compromise because an agreement to reallocate the available clash to the clubs in the big population areas (Cardiff, Swansea, Newport) would never have been reached.

I think everyone expected the 'regional teams' to revert back into their historic names, legacy, image and traditional support within a few years.

Surely now its time to stop the pretence...end the Cardiff, Swansea, Newport, Llanelli participation in the Welsh Premier Division and make them the 'regions' with the funding the regions currently receive and with Premier Div clubs feeders to those 4.
Absolutely agree with NakedDancer. Best post I have resold this seasom
[quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: When we moved to the professional era the available money spread across a lot of welsh clubs was a problem and unsustainable. The Regions were a compromise because an agreement to reallocate the available clash to the clubs in the big population areas (Cardiff, Swansea, Newport) would never have been reached. I think everyone expected the 'regional teams' to revert back into their historic names, legacy, image and traditional support within a few years. Surely now its time to stop the pretence...end the Cardiff, Swansea, Newport, Llanelli participation in the Welsh Premier Division and make them the 'regions' with the funding the regions currently receive and with Premier Div clubs feeders to those 4.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree with NakedDancer. Best post I have resold this seasom Magoo30

8:30pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Magoo30 says...

Sorry for not spellchecking. Should have said 'Best post I have read this season'
Sorry for not spellchecking. Should have said 'Best post I have read this season' Magoo30

9:32pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Keith Barnett says...

All the pointers at the moment says that Wales will have a disapointing season. Regions are playing poorly, Howley as coach, not picking the form players, 2nd season syndrome for many of the Welsh players.
Will Wales win any of their autumn matches?
England will do very well in 6N as will France and Ireland. The Scots might even beat Wales for the first time in ages (it's in Edinburgh). Italy is in Rome so that might not be easy.
Then many will not make the Lions tour. Then, probably, Gatland will leave Wales shortly after that tour.
Only then will the WRU smell the coffee and Lewis will jump ship anyways
So suffer for the next 18 months as it all unravels
All the pointers at the moment says that Wales will have a disapointing season. Regions are playing poorly, Howley as coach, not picking the form players, 2nd season syndrome for many of the Welsh players. Will Wales win any of their autumn matches? England will do very well in 6N as will France and Ireland. The Scots might even beat Wales for the first time in ages (it's in Edinburgh). Italy is in Rome so that might not be easy. Then many will not make the Lions tour. Then, probably, Gatland will leave Wales shortly after that tour. Only then will the WRU smell the coffee and Lewis will jump ship anyways So suffer for the next 18 months as it all unravels Keith Barnett

12:46am Fri 2 Nov 12

Newport Dave says...

NakedDancer wrote:
When we moved to the professional era the available money spread across a lot of welsh clubs was a problem and unsustainable. The Regions were a compromise because an agreement to reallocate the available clash to the clubs in the big population areas (Cardiff, Swansea, Newport) would never have been reached.

I think everyone expected the 'regional teams' to revert back into their historic names, legacy, image and traditional support within a few years.

Surely now its time to stop the pretence...end the Cardiff, Swansea, Newport, Llanelli participation in the Welsh Premier Division and make them the 'regions' with the funding the regions currently receive and with Premier Div clubs feeders to those 4.
I have no problems with that.
[quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: When we moved to the professional era the available money spread across a lot of welsh clubs was a problem and unsustainable. The Regions were a compromise because an agreement to reallocate the available clash to the clubs in the big population areas (Cardiff, Swansea, Newport) would never have been reached. I think everyone expected the 'regional teams' to revert back into their historic names, legacy, image and traditional support within a few years. Surely now its time to stop the pretence...end the Cardiff, Swansea, Newport, Llanelli participation in the Welsh Premier Division and make them the 'regions' with the funding the regions currently receive and with Premier Div clubs feeders to those 4.[/p][/quote]I have no problems with that. Newport Dave

6:57pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Euwan Usami says...

Newport Dave wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
When we moved to the professional era the available money spread across a lot of welsh clubs was a problem and unsustainable. The Regions were a compromise because an agreement to reallocate the available clash to the clubs in the big population areas (Cardiff, Swansea, Newport) would never have been reached.

I think everyone expected the 'regional teams' to revert back into their historic names, legacy, image and traditional support within a few years.

Surely now its time to stop the pretence...end the Cardiff, Swansea, Newport, Llanelli participation in the Welsh Premier Division and make them the 'regions' with the funding the regions currently receive and with Premier Div clubs feeders to those 4.
I have no problems with that.
To be fair its completely defeating the object though isn't it? They are supposed to be regions. If you start calling them super clubs by their old names then they are even less likely to get support from outside of the towns. You might call it a fake system but admitting it by changing names isn't going to help in my opinion. No one is happy with it as it is for sure but I can't see it going back until the whole thing fails as a business plan. (I don't think we will have to wait long to find out what would happen then either)
[quote][p][bold]Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: When we moved to the professional era the available money spread across a lot of welsh clubs was a problem and unsustainable. The Regions were a compromise because an agreement to reallocate the available clash to the clubs in the big population areas (Cardiff, Swansea, Newport) would never have been reached. I think everyone expected the 'regional teams' to revert back into their historic names, legacy, image and traditional support within a few years. Surely now its time to stop the pretence...end the Cardiff, Swansea, Newport, Llanelli participation in the Welsh Premier Division and make them the 'regions' with the funding the regions currently receive and with Premier Div clubs feeders to those 4.[/p][/quote]I have no problems with that.[/p][/quote]To be fair its completely defeating the object though isn't it? They are supposed to be regions. If you start calling them super clubs by their old names then they are even less likely to get support from outside of the towns. You might call it a fake system but admitting it by changing names isn't going to help in my opinion. No one is happy with it as it is for sure but I can't see it going back until the whole thing fails as a business plan. (I don't think we will have to wait long to find out what would happen then either) Euwan Usami

11:26pm Fri 2 Nov 12

CM1 says...

The same fans watching the same old clubs, so why would any sane person think the crowds would multiply exponentially all of a sudden?? The crowds at their peak, including Newport's under Tony Brown, would not be enough to fund a team to compete with the French and top English sides. Its all bonkers!! Just create an east and west Wales side and 'have done' with all this nonsense. For someone who has jumped the good ship of welsh rugby, it is a fascinating car crash, although I do feel like a voyeur!
The same fans watching the same old clubs, so why would any sane person think the crowds would multiply exponentially all of a sudden?? The crowds at their peak, including Newport's under Tony Brown, would not be enough to fund a team to compete with the French and top English sides. Its all bonkers!! Just create an east and west Wales side and 'have done' with all this nonsense. For someone who has jumped the good ship of welsh rugby, it is a fascinating car crash, although I do feel like a voyeur! CM1

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