Dragons boost playing budget for next season

NEWPORT Gwent Dragons’ playing budget has been increased for next season and they have entered the market to sign a top class international tighthead in the coming months.

And it is understood they are confident the Welsh Rugby Union will not downgrade one of the four regions to development status, despite Union boss Roger Lewis saying that was an option.

Chief executive Lewis has suggested one of the quartet could be demoted after the miserable form of the Cardiff Blues, Scarlets and Ospreys in the Heineken Cup in recent years and the Dragons languishing in the second rate Amlin Challenge Cup.

The idea of the Dragons being reduced to a development side is not new but the region do not believe their status will diminish and are confident they have the support of the Cardiff Blues, Ospreys and Scarlets.

The regions have long held a united front and believe that four equals is the best way forward for Welsh rugby.

This, and the news that the struggling region is looking to pursue a more ambitious recruitment policy to help revive their fortunes, will be welcomed by the Rodney Parade faithful.

Dragons director of rugby Rob Beale has confirmed they are scouring the world in the hope of bringing star props, half backs and centres to Rodney Parade.

Tighthead props from South Africa, Argentina, France and Georgia are potential targets.

And Beale also admitted the Gwent region had “not recruited well enough in certain areas” in the past but added they need to bring in quality experienced operators to help develop their crop of promising young players.

The Dragons have won just three times in the league this season and their only two other victories came against Italian semi-professional minnows Mogliano in the Amlin Challenge Cup.

The scrum has long been an Achilles’ heel for the region.

And with blindside flanker Dan Lydiate leaving at the end of this campaign, probably for Racing Métro, to join other ex-Dragons stars Luke Charteris and Aled Brew plying their trade in France, the region badly need an influx of quality players.

“The board have increased the rugby playing budget for next season – that in itself is a very positive message,” Beale said.

“In terms of the ambition for recruitment, I think that there will be a change of emphasis.”

The availability of more cash, Beale refused to disclose how much would be on the table, will give head coach Darren Edwards far more spending power.

“Darren, certainly in the past 12-18 months, has been put in a position where recruitment has been difficult and we’ve tended to look at young, developing players,” Beale said.

“Any players we do recruit that are not Welsh really have to be quality players and probably in the past we’ve not recruited well enough in certain areas when we’ve done that.

“But there is a genuine desire here by our board and from everyone connected with the Dragons to put as much effort as we can into making sure we get it right.

“We’ve got a lot of young talent here and we need to make sure we support them with some experienced players in key positions. They can make sure that talent gets every opportunity of fulfilling their obvious potential as professional rugby players with the Dragons and hopefully go on to represent our country.”

Expanding on the focus of their recruitment drive, Beale said: “Front row positions are key, half back, midfield – those key decision makers.

“If you need a strong scrum then you need really strong scrummaging props.

“At the moment we’ve got three tighthead props in our squad who are all contracted for next season.

“Two of those guys are really young in front row terms, being both around 22, so it’s certainly an area we are looking at.

“Realistically for that sort of position, we are looking outside Wales.

“We feel we’ve got two bright young prospects in Dan Way and Nathan Buck and if you’re looking for a really experienced player in that position, then at the moment they are not in Wales, and if they are, they are contracted.”

Beale added: “And if you are looking at scrummaging front row forwards, then the obvious areas that spring to mind are Argentina, South Africa and France, some would probably say Georgia.”

He hinted they could be “marquee” signings: “That body of work is gathering momentum over the next couple of months.

“Very often the word ‘marquee’ signings is used. I think all I would say at the moment is that we’ve got to be looking to fill those crucial positions within our team with some very experienced players who have played at the top level. I’m not going to go into figures but…it is a big bonus for Darren in terms of recruitment.”

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9:04am Thu 27 Dec 12

high x boy says...

hope it is not too little too late.
hope it is not too little too late. high x boy

9:57am Thu 27 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

We were told earlier this year that the money side of the Dragons was now on a better footing and now that money is being made available for recruitment of some badly needed front five players. So the patience of the faithful seems to be rewarded hope selection is done on a sound basis and we don't simply fill holes with just anyone, quality is a major selection criteria, don't mess it up please.
We were told earlier this year that the money side of the Dragons was now on a better footing and now that money is being made available for recruitment of some badly needed front five players. So the patience of the faithful seems to be rewarded hope selection is done on a sound basis and we don't simply fill holes with just anyone, quality is a major selection criteria, don't mess it up please. Robert Shillabeer

10:13am Thu 27 Dec 12

Cwmsteve says...

Lets hope it's not someone who's been on holiday in France, Argentina or South Africa. Or bringing anyone out of retirement like the New Zealand scrum half a few years ago!!
Lets hope it's not someone who's been on holiday in France, Argentina or South Africa. Or bringing anyone out of retirement like the New Zealand scrum half a few years ago!! Cwmsteve

10:32am Thu 27 Dec 12

Oddjob says...

Obviously the NGD management don't know the story about the boy who cried Wolf!
Obviously the NGD management don't know the story about the boy who cried Wolf! Oddjob

1:40pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Come on give some credit where it's due. The Dragons announced earlier in the year that the money side of the region had been sorted out and now they indicate they are In the market for some much needed scrummaging players which I thought a lot of posters on this site have been calling for. It shows that the region have been listening and now seem ready and able to take action to put it right so stop all this anti region nonsence and let things happen and then see what becomes of it all.
Come on give some credit where it's due. The Dragons announced earlier in the year that the money side of the region had been sorted out and now they indicate they are In the market for some much needed scrummaging players which I thought a lot of posters on this site have been calling for. It shows that the region have been listening and now seem ready and able to take action to put it right so stop all this anti region nonsence and let things happen and then see what becomes of it all. Robert Shillabeer

2:34pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Doberman1 says...

Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark.
Replace him if we really want to progress.
Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark. Replace him if we really want to progress. Doberman1

3:08pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Doberman1 wrote:
Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark.
Replace him if we really want to progress.
DE must have upset you sometime ago as you seem to have a hatred of him, suppose you hated Paul Turner as well, simply because you like criticising those who don't shair you opinion. Time will tell if new players of good quality materialise, it's out of my control so simply have to wait and see. Looking on the Internet at players who may be interested, anyone else with suggestions feel free to nominate them, must be seasoned players not castoffs from other regions/Rabo sides.
[quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark. Replace him if we really want to progress.[/p][/quote]DE must have upset you sometime ago as you seem to have a hatred of him, suppose you hated Paul Turner as well, simply because you like criticising those who don't shair you opinion. Time will tell if new players of good quality materialise, it's out of my control so simply have to wait and see. Looking on the Internet at players who may be interested, anyone else with suggestions feel free to nominate them, must be seasoned players not castoffs from other regions/Rabo sides. Robert Shillabeer

3:28pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Doberman1 says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Doberman1 wrote:
Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark.
Replace him if we really want to progress.
DE must have upset you sometime ago as you seem to have a hatred of him, suppose you hated Paul Turner as well, simply because you like criticising those who don't shair you opinion. Time will tell if new players of good quality materialise, it's out of my control so simply have to wait and see. Looking on the Internet at players who may be interested, anyone else with suggestions feel free to nominate them, must be seasoned players not castoffs from other regions/Rabo sides.
Can I really be reading this from Robert, that I criticise people who do not share my opinion...coming from him...unbeleivable!
Robert please point out one post where I have criticised someone who does not agree with me ( apart from you). Also bear in mind my criticism of DE does not include personal insults which you are very quick to throw at other posters on here who do not agree with you. You are ridiculous in your observations as they blindly ignore your own behaviours.
For the record I do not hate anyone, not DE, not Paul Turner and not you. I have an opinion which I present without resorting to personal insults .....try and learn to do the same or leave the forum to those who can.
DE is out of his depth, as I have asked you on numerous occasions (you never respond) to offer us something to suggest he is not. Get back to the committee room, pro sport is clearly not for you.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark. Replace him if we really want to progress.[/p][/quote]DE must have upset you sometime ago as you seem to have a hatred of him, suppose you hated Paul Turner as well, simply because you like criticising those who don't shair you opinion. Time will tell if new players of good quality materialise, it's out of my control so simply have to wait and see. Looking on the Internet at players who may be interested, anyone else with suggestions feel free to nominate them, must be seasoned players not castoffs from other regions/Rabo sides.[/p][/quote]Can I really be reading this from Robert, that I criticise people who do not share my opinion...coming from him...unbeleivable! Robert please point out one post where I have criticised someone who does not agree with me ( apart from you). Also bear in mind my criticism of DE does not include personal insults which you are very quick to throw at other posters on here who do not agree with you. You are ridiculous in your observations as they blindly ignore your own behaviours. For the record I do not hate anyone, not DE, not Paul Turner and not you. I have an opinion which I present without resorting to personal insults .....try and learn to do the same or leave the forum to those who can. DE is out of his depth, as I have asked you on numerous occasions (you never respond) to offer us something to suggest he is not. Get back to the committee room, pro sport is clearly not for you. Doberman1

3:40pm Thu 27 Dec 12

JTFish says...

AWAKEN THE GIANT! I DARE YOU! FICTIONAL 8,000 CROWDS IN THE WEST!

IT WILL BE 10,000 PLUS!

GIVE OUR YOUNG GUNS A CHANCE WITH SOME QUALITY SIGNINGS TO COMPLEMENT THEIR UNDOUBTED QUALITY!

DREAMS CAN COME TRUE!

THE BOYS FROM THE VALLEYS ARE READY AND HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE ONLY TRUE REGION, QUOTE!

LETS GET THIS REGION ON THE WAR PATH! GWENT IS THE BIGGEST RUGBY REGION IN THE WHOLE OF THE UK!

ISSUE SOME NEW SHARES! LETS SEE HOW MUCH OUR SUPPORTERS WANT IT!
AWAKEN THE GIANT! I DARE YOU! FICTIONAL 8,000 CROWDS IN THE WEST! IT WILL BE 10,000 PLUS! GIVE OUR YOUNG GUNS A CHANCE WITH SOME QUALITY SIGNINGS TO COMPLEMENT THEIR UNDOUBTED QUALITY! DREAMS CAN COME TRUE! THE BOYS FROM THE VALLEYS ARE READY AND HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE ONLY TRUE REGION, QUOTE! LETS GET THIS REGION ON THE WAR PATH! GWENT IS THE BIGGEST RUGBY REGION IN THE WHOLE OF THE UK! ISSUE SOME NEW SHARES! LETS SEE HOW MUCH OUR SUPPORTERS WANT IT! JTFish

3:44pm Thu 27 Dec 12

high x boy says...

the dragons have at least 8 props on their books at the moment..Tim Ryan is the newest and un used.
the dragons have at least 8 props on their books at the moment..Tim Ryan is the newest and un used. high x boy

3:51pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Euwan Usami says...

high x boy wrote:
the dragons have at least 8 props on their books at the moment..Tim Ryan is the newest and un used.
I think Tim is considered to be a bit of a recruitment error. He plays most of his games for Newport. I believe he has been a replacement a few times but not actually started a game for the Dragons?
[quote][p][bold]high x boy[/bold] wrote: the dragons have at least 8 props on their books at the moment..Tim Ryan is the newest and un used.[/p][/quote]I think Tim is considered to be a bit of a recruitment error. He plays most of his games for Newport. I believe he has been a replacement a few times but not actually started a game for the Dragons? Euwan Usami

3:52pm Thu 27 Dec 12

East Newport Dave says...

2 years late, but better late than never. At last some recognition that we cannot function without a strong scrum. It depends how much we have to spend. Fantastic player though he is, the departure of Dan Lydiate will also free up some funds. We are in reasonable nick in the back row so funds can be re-directed for props. Why not be audacious and go for Adam Jones? I hear his mother works locally.
2 years late, but better late than never. At last some recognition that we cannot function without a strong scrum. It depends how much we have to spend. Fantastic player though he is, the departure of Dan Lydiate will also free up some funds. We are in reasonable nick in the back row so funds can be re-directed for props. Why not be audacious and go for Adam Jones? I hear his mother works locally. East Newport Dave

4:53pm Thu 27 Dec 12

spaniard says...

The problem with this story is that we have heard it all before and what top quality players were recruited, none, no doubt the top quality prop will be a spotty 19 year old from abercwmrhubarb nobody has ever heard of
The problem with this story is that we have heard it all before and what top quality players were recruited, none, no doubt the top quality prop will be a spotty 19 year old from abercwmrhubarb nobody has ever heard of spaniard

7:58pm Thu 27 Dec 12

fedupjon says...

Spaniard has got it spot on because it is another media story that will go nowhere. My only reservation is that this type of story usually emerges in March/April time when they are trying to entice you to buy season tickets.
It is time for a reality check as to the type of players they could attract. With big money in France and England, it will either be someone past their best or an emerging country. As for the former, they have already had too many boosting their pensions.
Spaniard has got it spot on because it is another media story that will go nowhere. My only reservation is that this type of story usually emerges in March/April time when they are trying to entice you to buy season tickets. It is time for a reality check as to the type of players they could attract. With big money in France and England, it will either be someone past their best or an emerging country. As for the former, they have already had too many boosting their pensions. fedupjon

9:25pm Thu 27 Dec 12

emlynkide says...

hope they find some money to keep toby
hope they find some money to keep toby emlynkide

9:54pm Thu 27 Dec 12

SWBorderer says...

Terrific news if it happens, albeit at least two years too late. The coaching situation also needs to be sorted, Kingsley is the obvious choice and I'm sure he could attract some decent front rom material from the Eastern European sector.
Terrific news if it happens, albeit at least two years too late. The coaching situation also needs to be sorted, Kingsley is the obvious choice and I'm sure he could attract some decent front rom material from the Eastern European sector. SWBorderer

10:23pm Thu 27 Dec 12

cwmfelinfachvalleyboy says...

This sounds like a familiar story thats been told before but nothing came of it the extra money wont be a significant amount otherwise they would be shouting the amount aloud
This sounds like a familiar story thats been told before but nothing came of it the extra money wont be a significant amount otherwise they would be shouting the amount aloud cwmfelinfachvalleyboy

11:55pm Thu 27 Dec 12

corpardguy says...

Like I said on an earlier post, there must be SOME spare cash just look at the talent that has drained away in the last 24 months. Luke, and Aled Brew as well as Willis and the loss of our best Hooker to injury and best prop to West Wales without heavy salary replacements. Theres a good 200,000 to start with! We ought to be able to get at least a good tighthead (maybe on the way down) and a fly half with some nous from Canada or Europe with some of that.
Like I said on an earlier post, there must be SOME spare cash just look at the talent that has drained away in the last 24 months. Luke, and Aled Brew as well as Willis and the loss of our best Hooker to injury and best prop to West Wales without heavy salary replacements. Theres a good 200,000 to start with! We ought to be able to get at least a good tighthead (maybe on the way down) and a fly half with some nous from Canada or Europe with some of that. corpardguy

12:04am Fri 28 Dec 12

Euwan Usami says...

corpardguy wrote:
Like I said on an earlier post, there must be SOME spare cash just look at the talent that has drained away in the last 24 months. Luke, and Aled Brew as well as Willis and the loss of our best Hooker to injury and best prop to West Wales without heavy salary replacements. Theres a good 200,000 to start with! We ought to be able to get at least a good tighthead (maybe on the way down) and a fly half with some nous from Canada or Europe with some of that.
Rumor has it the French clubs are paying 400k wages. We have lost out to second tier English clubs over players in the past they say. Makes you wonder if we can really compete doesn't it? Need some smart recruiting for sure. Maybe our Kingsley can help out?
[quote][p][bold]corpardguy[/bold] wrote: Like I said on an earlier post, there must be SOME spare cash just look at the talent that has drained away in the last 24 months. Luke, and Aled Brew as well as Willis and the loss of our best Hooker to injury and best prop to West Wales without heavy salary replacements. Theres a good 200,000 to start with! We ought to be able to get at least a good tighthead (maybe on the way down) and a fly half with some nous from Canada or Europe with some of that.[/p][/quote]Rumor has it the French clubs are paying 400k wages. We have lost out to second tier English clubs over players in the past they say. Makes you wonder if we can really compete doesn't it? Need some smart recruiting for sure. Maybe our Kingsley can help out? Euwan Usami

12:41am Fri 28 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

I think Kingsley is simply a media thing, perhaps he is interested but only on his terms. Lets let things develop but remember what has been suggested by the Dragons. Then if nothing happens by all means go to town on them, but give some credit for trying. On the game against the Blues poor conditions coupled with one silly instinctive grab at the ball cost us the game. Just look at the possession stats and the territory, we won that all hands down, we gained ground almost every time we had possession, one or two obvious penalty offences were missed by the ref in very kick able places, two obvious knock ons missed, but as I have already said that's rugby.
I think Kingsley is simply a media thing, perhaps he is interested but only on his terms. Lets let things develop but remember what has been suggested by the Dragons. Then if nothing happens by all means go to town on them, but give some credit for trying. On the game against the Blues poor conditions coupled with one silly instinctive grab at the ball cost us the game. Just look at the possession stats and the territory, we won that all hands down, we gained ground almost every time we had possession, one or two obvious penalty offences were missed by the ref in very kick able places, two obvious knock ons missed, but as I have already said that's rugby. Robert Shillabeer

12:48am Fri 28 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Doberman1 wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Doberman1 wrote:
Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark.
Replace him if we really want to progress.
DE must have upset you sometime ago as you seem to have a hatred of him, suppose you hated Paul Turner as well, simply because you like criticising those who don't shair you opinion. Time will tell if new players of good quality materialise, it's out of my control so simply have to wait and see. Looking on the Internet at players who may be interested, anyone else with suggestions feel free to nominate them, must be seasoned players not castoffs from other regions/Rabo sides.
Can I really be reading this from Robert, that I criticise people who do not share my opinion...coming from him...unbeleivable!
Robert please point out one post where I have criticised someone who does not agree with me ( apart from you). Also bear in mind my criticism of DE does not include personal insults which you are very quick to throw at other posters on here who do not agree with you. You are ridiculous in your observations as they blindly ignore your own behaviours.
For the record I do not hate anyone, not DE, not Paul Turner and not you. I have an opinion which I present without resorting to personal insults .....try and learn to do the same or leave the forum to those who can.
DE is out of his depth, as I have asked you on numerous occasions (you never respond) to offer us something to suggest he is not. Get back to the committee room, pro sport is clearly not for you.
This post! You have your often a one eyed view as to how the Dragons play and indeed the fact that the Dragons exist. Accept that others may have different views to you and may hope that things can get better. It's only a game and a pastime for us to enjoy in this rather dower world we live in, it's not the end of everything we have friends and family to take much of our lives up and are within our control, but the Dragons are someone else's to manage for good or bad we simply support and hope.
[quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark. Replace him if we really want to progress.[/p][/quote]DE must have upset you sometime ago as you seem to have a hatred of him, suppose you hated Paul Turner as well, simply because you like criticising those who don't shair you opinion. Time will tell if new players of good quality materialise, it's out of my control so simply have to wait and see. Looking on the Internet at players who may be interested, anyone else with suggestions feel free to nominate them, must be seasoned players not castoffs from other regions/Rabo sides.[/p][/quote]Can I really be reading this from Robert, that I criticise people who do not share my opinion...coming from him...unbeleivable! Robert please point out one post where I have criticised someone who does not agree with me ( apart from you). Also bear in mind my criticism of DE does not include personal insults which you are very quick to throw at other posters on here who do not agree with you. You are ridiculous in your observations as they blindly ignore your own behaviours. For the record I do not hate anyone, not DE, not Paul Turner and not you. I have an opinion which I present without resorting to personal insults .....try and learn to do the same or leave the forum to those who can. DE is out of his depth, as I have asked you on numerous occasions (you never respond) to offer us something to suggest he is not. Get back to the committee room, pro sport is clearly not for you.[/p][/quote]This post! You have your often a one eyed view as to how the Dragons play and indeed the fact that the Dragons exist. Accept that others may have different views to you and may hope that things can get better. It's only a game and a pastime for us to enjoy in this rather dower world we live in, it's not the end of everything we have friends and family to take much of our lives up and are within our control, but the Dragons are someone else's to manage for good or bad we simply support and hope. Robert Shillabeer

12:57am Fri 28 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Doberman1 wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Doberman1 wrote:
Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark.
Replace him if we really want to progress.
DE must have upset you sometime ago as you seem to have a hatred of him, suppose you hated Paul Turner as well, simply because you like criticising those who don't shair you opinion. Time will tell if new players of good quality materialise, it's out of my control so simply have to wait and see. Looking on the Internet at players who may be interested, anyone else with suggestions feel free to nominate them, must be seasoned players not castoffs from other regions/Rabo sides.
Can I really be reading this from Robert, that I criticise people who do not share my opinion...coming from him...unbeleivable!
Robert please point out one post where I have criticised someone who does not agree with me ( apart from you). Also bear in mind my criticism of DE does not include personal insults which you are very quick to throw at other posters on here who do not agree with you. You are ridiculous in your observations as they blindly ignore your own behaviours.
For the record I do not hate anyone, not DE, not Paul Turner and not you. I have an opinion which I present without resorting to personal insults .....try and learn to do the same or leave the forum to those who can.
DE is out of his depth, as I have asked you on numerous occasions (you never respond) to offer us something to suggest he is not. Get back to the committee room, pro sport is clearly not for you.
By the way I worked for some 44 years in a professional way of life so can understand the pressures of getting it right which supporters expect from head coaches and players who always try to do their best often in the face of some unfair and severe critisism but that's what they do and expect. I'm sure DE understands and feels the frustration of supporters if only because he would like to keep his job.
[quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark. Replace him if we really want to progress.[/p][/quote]DE must have upset you sometime ago as you seem to have a hatred of him, suppose you hated Paul Turner as well, simply because you like criticising those who don't shair you opinion. Time will tell if new players of good quality materialise, it's out of my control so simply have to wait and see. Looking on the Internet at players who may be interested, anyone else with suggestions feel free to nominate them, must be seasoned players not castoffs from other regions/Rabo sides.[/p][/quote]Can I really be reading this from Robert, that I criticise people who do not share my opinion...coming from him...unbeleivable! Robert please point out one post where I have criticised someone who does not agree with me ( apart from you). Also bear in mind my criticism of DE does not include personal insults which you are very quick to throw at other posters on here who do not agree with you. You are ridiculous in your observations as they blindly ignore your own behaviours. For the record I do not hate anyone, not DE, not Paul Turner and not you. I have an opinion which I present without resorting to personal insults .....try and learn to do the same or leave the forum to those who can. DE is out of his depth, as I have asked you on numerous occasions (you never respond) to offer us something to suggest he is not. Get back to the committee room, pro sport is clearly not for you.[/p][/quote]By the way I worked for some 44 years in a professional way of life so can understand the pressures of getting it right which supporters expect from head coaches and players who always try to do their best often in the face of some unfair and severe critisism but that's what they do and expect. I'm sure DE understands and feels the frustration of supporters if only because he would like to keep his job. Robert Shillabeer

11:07am Fri 28 Dec 12

Doberman1 says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Doberman1 wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Doberman1 wrote:
Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark.
Replace him if we really want to progress.
DE must have upset you sometime ago as you seem to have a hatred of him, suppose you hated Paul Turner as well, simply because you like criticising those who don't shair you opinion. Time will tell if new players of good quality materialise, it's out of my control so simply have to wait and see. Looking on the Internet at players who may be interested, anyone else with suggestions feel free to nominate them, must be seasoned players not castoffs from other regions/Rabo sides.
Can I really be reading this from Robert, that I criticise people who do not share my opinion...coming from him...unbeleivable!
Robert please point out one post where I have criticised someone who does not agree with me ( apart from you). Also bear in mind my criticism of DE does not include personal insults which you are very quick to throw at other posters on here who do not agree with you. You are ridiculous in your observations as they blindly ignore your own behaviours.
For the record I do not hate anyone, not DE, not Paul Turner and not you. I have an opinion which I present without resorting to personal insults .....try and learn to do the same or leave the forum to those who can.
DE is out of his depth, as I have asked you on numerous occasions (you never respond) to offer us something to suggest he is not. Get back to the committee room, pro sport is clearly not for you.
This post! You have your often a one eyed view as to how the Dragons play and indeed the fact that the Dragons exist. Accept that others may have different views to you and may hope that things can get better. It's only a game and a pastime for us to enjoy in this rather dower world we live in, it's not the end of everything we have friends and family to take much of our lives up and are within our control, but the Dragons are someone else's to manage for good or bad we simply support and hope.
Once again you seem incapable of either answering a question or recognising the hypocrisy of your posts.
I am sorry you live in a dower world, I don't.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark. Replace him if we really want to progress.[/p][/quote]DE must have upset you sometime ago as you seem to have a hatred of him, suppose you hated Paul Turner as well, simply because you like criticising those who don't shair you opinion. Time will tell if new players of good quality materialise, it's out of my control so simply have to wait and see. Looking on the Internet at players who may be interested, anyone else with suggestions feel free to nominate them, must be seasoned players not castoffs from other regions/Rabo sides.[/p][/quote]Can I really be reading this from Robert, that I criticise people who do not share my opinion...coming from him...unbeleivable! Robert please point out one post where I have criticised someone who does not agree with me ( apart from you). Also bear in mind my criticism of DE does not include personal insults which you are very quick to throw at other posters on here who do not agree with you. You are ridiculous in your observations as they blindly ignore your own behaviours. For the record I do not hate anyone, not DE, not Paul Turner and not you. I have an opinion which I present without resorting to personal insults .....try and learn to do the same or leave the forum to those who can. DE is out of his depth, as I have asked you on numerous occasions (you never respond) to offer us something to suggest he is not. Get back to the committee room, pro sport is clearly not for you.[/p][/quote]This post! You have your often a one eyed view as to how the Dragons play and indeed the fact that the Dragons exist. Accept that others may have different views to you and may hope that things can get better. It's only a game and a pastime for us to enjoy in this rather dower world we live in, it's not the end of everything we have friends and family to take much of our lives up and are within our control, but the Dragons are someone else's to manage for good or bad we simply support and hope.[/p][/quote]Once again you seem incapable of either answering a question or recognising the hypocrisy of your posts. I am sorry you live in a dower world, I don't. Doberman1

1:57pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Doberman1 wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Doberman1 wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Doberman1 wrote:
Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark.
Replace him if we really want to progress.
DE must have upset you sometime ago as you seem to have a hatred of him, suppose you hated Paul Turner as well, simply because you like criticising those who don't shair you opinion. Time will tell if new players of good quality materialise, it's out of my control so simply have to wait and see. Looking on the Internet at players who may be interested, anyone else with suggestions feel free to nominate them, must be seasoned players not castoffs from other regions/Rabo sides.
Can I really be reading this from Robert, that I criticise people who do not share my opinion...coming from him...unbeleivable!
Robert please point out one post where I have criticised someone who does not agree with me ( apart from you). Also bear in mind my criticism of DE does not include personal insults which you are very quick to throw at other posters on here who do not agree with you. You are ridiculous in your observations as they blindly ignore your own behaviours.
For the record I do not hate anyone, not DE, not Paul Turner and not you. I have an opinion which I present without resorting to personal insults .....try and learn to do the same or leave the forum to those who can.
DE is out of his depth, as I have asked you on numerous occasions (you never respond) to offer us something to suggest he is not. Get back to the committee room, pro sport is clearly not for you.
This post! You have your often a one eyed view as to how the Dragons play and indeed the fact that the Dragons exist. Accept that others may have different views to you and may hope that things can get better. It's only a game and a pastime for us to enjoy in this rather dower world we live in, it's not the end of everything we have friends and family to take much of our lives up and are within our control, but the Dragons are someone else's to manage for good or bad we simply support and hope.
Once again you seem incapable of either answering a question or recognising the hypocrisy of your posts.
I am sorry you live in a dower world, I don't.
Don't live in a dower world at all, enjoy winding you up, it's make me smile at the lack of resistance you show. The main point is we have nothing to do with decisions at the Dragons so just go with it and hope for the breaks to go our way. Just chill a bit and enjoy the day.
[quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark. Replace him if we really want to progress.[/p][/quote]DE must have upset you sometime ago as you seem to have a hatred of him, suppose you hated Paul Turner as well, simply because you like criticising those who don't shair you opinion. Time will tell if new players of good quality materialise, it's out of my control so simply have to wait and see. Looking on the Internet at players who may be interested, anyone else with suggestions feel free to nominate them, must be seasoned players not castoffs from other regions/Rabo sides.[/p][/quote]Can I really be reading this from Robert, that I criticise people who do not share my opinion...coming from him...unbeleivable! Robert please point out one post where I have criticised someone who does not agree with me ( apart from you). Also bear in mind my criticism of DE does not include personal insults which you are very quick to throw at other posters on here who do not agree with you. You are ridiculous in your observations as they blindly ignore your own behaviours. For the record I do not hate anyone, not DE, not Paul Turner and not you. I have an opinion which I present without resorting to personal insults .....try and learn to do the same or leave the forum to those who can. DE is out of his depth, as I have asked you on numerous occasions (you never respond) to offer us something to suggest he is not. Get back to the committee room, pro sport is clearly not for you.[/p][/quote]This post! You have your often a one eyed view as to how the Dragons play and indeed the fact that the Dragons exist. Accept that others may have different views to you and may hope that things can get better. It's only a game and a pastime for us to enjoy in this rather dower world we live in, it's not the end of everything we have friends and family to take much of our lives up and are within our control, but the Dragons are someone else's to manage for good or bad we simply support and hope.[/p][/quote]Once again you seem incapable of either answering a question or recognising the hypocrisy of your posts. I am sorry you live in a dower world, I don't.[/p][/quote]Don't live in a dower world at all, enjoy winding you up, it's make me smile at the lack of resistance you show. The main point is we have nothing to do with decisions at the Dragons so just go with it and hope for the breaks to go our way. Just chill a bit and enjoy the day. Robert Shillabeer

2:55pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Doberman1 says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Doberman1 wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Doberman1 wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Doberman1 wrote:
Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark.
Replace him if we really want to progress.
DE must have upset you sometime ago as you seem to have a hatred of him, suppose you hated Paul Turner as well, simply because you like criticising those who don't shair you opinion. Time will tell if new players of good quality materialise, it's out of my control so simply have to wait and see. Looking on the Internet at players who may be interested, anyone else with suggestions feel free to nominate them, must be seasoned players not castoffs from other regions/Rabo sides.
Can I really be reading this from Robert, that I criticise people who do not share my opinion...coming from him...unbeleivable!
Robert please point out one post where I have criticised someone who does not agree with me ( apart from you). Also bear in mind my criticism of DE does not include personal insults which you are very quick to throw at other posters on here who do not agree with you. You are ridiculous in your observations as they blindly ignore your own behaviours.
For the record I do not hate anyone, not DE, not Paul Turner and not you. I have an opinion which I present without resorting to personal insults .....try and learn to do the same or leave the forum to those who can.
DE is out of his depth, as I have asked you on numerous occasions (you never respond) to offer us something to suggest he is not. Get back to the committee room, pro sport is clearly not for you.
This post! You have your often a one eyed view as to how the Dragons play and indeed the fact that the Dragons exist. Accept that others may have different views to you and may hope that things can get better. It's only a game and a pastime for us to enjoy in this rather dower world we live in, it's not the end of everything we have friends and family to take much of our lives up and are within our control, but the Dragons are someone else's to manage for good or bad we simply support and hope.
Once again you seem incapable of either answering a question or recognising the hypocrisy of your posts.
I am sorry you live in a dower world, I don't.
Don't live in a dower world at all, enjoy winding you up, it's make me smile at the lack of resistance you show. The main point is we have nothing to do with decisions at the Dragons so just go with it and hope for the breaks to go our way. Just chill a bit and enjoy the day.
Glad you enjoy winding people up. Added to your penchance for personal insults all in all you are a thoroughly unpleasant individual. Still, as long as it makes you happy.
If at any point you feel mature enough to actually answer a question then feel free to do so, in the meantime back to the committee room Robert.
I enjoy every day, more so when I get a reaction...so thanks for that.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: Great headline news but with DE still in situ nothing will improve. He has had quality to work with and still come up well short of the mark. Replace him if we really want to progress.[/p][/quote]DE must have upset you sometime ago as you seem to have a hatred of him, suppose you hated Paul Turner as well, simply because you like criticising those who don't shair you opinion. Time will tell if new players of good quality materialise, it's out of my control so simply have to wait and see. Looking on the Internet at players who may be interested, anyone else with suggestions feel free to nominate them, must be seasoned players not castoffs from other regions/Rabo sides.[/p][/quote]Can I really be reading this from Robert, that I criticise people who do not share my opinion...coming from him...unbeleivable! Robert please point out one post where I have criticised someone who does not agree with me ( apart from you). Also bear in mind my criticism of DE does not include personal insults which you are very quick to throw at other posters on here who do not agree with you. You are ridiculous in your observations as they blindly ignore your own behaviours. For the record I do not hate anyone, not DE, not Paul Turner and not you. I have an opinion which I present without resorting to personal insults .....try and learn to do the same or leave the forum to those who can. DE is out of his depth, as I have asked you on numerous occasions (you never respond) to offer us something to suggest he is not. Get back to the committee room, pro sport is clearly not for you.[/p][/quote]This post! You have your often a one eyed view as to how the Dragons play and indeed the fact that the Dragons exist. Accept that others may have different views to you and may hope that things can get better. It's only a game and a pastime for us to enjoy in this rather dower world we live in, it's not the end of everything we have friends and family to take much of our lives up and are within our control, but the Dragons are someone else's to manage for good or bad we simply support and hope.[/p][/quote]Once again you seem incapable of either answering a question or recognising the hypocrisy of your posts. I am sorry you live in a dower world, I don't.[/p][/quote]Don't live in a dower world at all, enjoy winding you up, it's make me smile at the lack of resistance you show. The main point is we have nothing to do with decisions at the Dragons so just go with it and hope for the breaks to go our way. Just chill a bit and enjoy the day.[/p][/quote]Glad you enjoy winding people up. Added to your penchance for personal insults all in all you are a thoroughly unpleasant individual. Still, as long as it makes you happy. If at any point you feel mature enough to actually answer a question then feel free to do so, in the meantime back to the committee room Robert. I enjoy every day, more so when I get a reaction...so thanks for that. Doberman1

4:41pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Brought a smile to my face, shows your not all bad. Everyone has views and are entitled to share them but sometimes they need a prod to express them. Please keep in mind that I have no intention to upset anyone just give them a prod now and again. Keep posting your views it keeps everyone thinking about what is happening, anyway it's better than newspapers telling us what to think.
Brought a smile to my face, shows your not all bad. Everyone has views and are entitled to share them but sometimes they need a prod to express them. Please keep in mind that I have no intention to upset anyone just give them a prod now and again. Keep posting your views it keeps everyone thinking about what is happening, anyway it's better than newspapers telling us what to think. Robert Shillabeer

6:53pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Magoo30 says...

Will Doberman and Robert please go down the pub and settle their differences over a drink.

I am sure that I am not alone in considering their petty bickering as an insult to those of us on this forum who only want to read rugby related posts.

Your constant childish posts criticising one another are of no interest to those of us solely interested in rugby matters and Dragons in particular!
Will Doberman and Robert please go down the pub and settle their differences over a drink. I am sure that I am not alone in considering their petty bickering as an insult to those of us on this forum who only want to read rugby related posts. Your constant childish posts criticising one another are of no interest to those of us solely interested in rugby matters and Dragons in particular! Magoo30

8:20pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Magoo30 wrote:
Will Doberman and Robert please go down the pub and settle their differences over a drink.

I am sure that I am not alone in considering their petty bickering as an insult to those of us on this forum who only want to read rugby related posts.

Your constant childish posts criticising one another are of no interest to those of us solely interested in rugby matters and Dragons in particular!
Good idea but we may need a ref, not a WRU one though they may not understand the rules.

Many poster on this forum talk about rugby, but some only talk about sacking the head coach, more about rugby please.
[quote][p][bold]Magoo30[/bold] wrote: Will Doberman and Robert please go down the pub and settle their differences over a drink. I am sure that I am not alone in considering their petty bickering as an insult to those of us on this forum who only want to read rugby related posts. Your constant childish posts criticising one another are of no interest to those of us solely interested in rugby matters and Dragons in particular![/p][/quote]Good idea but we may need a ref, not a WRU one though they may not understand the rules. Many poster on this forum talk about rugby, but some only talk about sacking the head coach, more about rugby please. Robert Shillabeer

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