Edinburgh admits weather is starting to get him down

South Wales Argus: Newport Gwent Dragons v Northampton Saints in LV Cup. Dragons so close to scoring a try late in the second half in the wet pitch conditions. (3639450) Newport Gwent Dragons v Northampton Saints in LV Cup. Dragons so close to scoring a try late in the second half in the wet pitch conditions. (3639450)

JUSTIN Edinburgh has admitted for the first time that he’s concerned County’s weather woes are threatening their bid for promotion.

The Exiles have made a terrific start to life as a Football League club after last season’s ascension from the Conference, but they are being badly hit by the miserable conditions.

Friday’s trip to Southend will be the fifth game in six Newport have faced on the road with last night’s postponement against visitors Plymouth the fourth time since December that Rodney Parade has been waterlogged.

Edinburgh is trying his best to remain philosophical but admits the weather is affecting morale in the camp.

“It’s very difficult, we can’t pretend otherwise, we can’t control the weather but it is hurting us,” he said.

“We have lost so many games and now we’re preparing for a fifth game in six away from home.

“That takes a toll, you don’t want to admit it and we haven’t until now, but it’s obvious really, we’ve lost some momentum.

“We don’t like to have to say that, but the reality is clear.”

Edinburgh opted to do some scouting last night by watching the Shrimpers, but he’s keen the club are able to find a solution to their water woes as soon as possible.

“Your home form is what sustains you in a promotion push,” he said.

“Our home record is absolutely excellent, second to none in this division in terms of our win percentage and we want to find a solution that will help us in the future (see panel).

“Unfortunately, for now all we can do is hope and pray that the weather gives us some help and we have a period where we can get these games on as soon as possible.

“If any of our fans want to do a weather dance, that’s fine with me.”

Edinburgh admits it’s felt like everything has been against the Exiles since they began their return to the Football League.

“Since day one, we’ve had a lot of difficulties with an absolutely horrendous injury list,” he commented.

“It is hard enough to have those problems with the fixture list but for the whole season, we’ve felt things were going against us.

“It’s been a really hard slog and I can’t pretend it hasn’t. There has been a lot of stress this season but I feel we are coping pretty well.

“I’ve got a resilient bunch of players and it is a good job because that’s what they’ll need to be in the coming weeks and months.”

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7:05am Wed 29 Jan 14

Pianoman42 says...

Whatever this season will bring, will bring.

But am I thinking too simply - why can't the County and Dragons and Newport R.F.C. Management get together and for once sort out the pitch during the summer.

Have they not heard of Desso pitches.....

Installed at Cardiff City, Wembley, Swansea City, to name a few.

It can't be finance, so why not.....?
Whatever this season will bring, will bring. But am I thinking too simply - why can't the County and Dragons and Newport R.F.C. Management get together and for once sort out the pitch during the summer. Have they not heard of Desso pitches..... Installed at Cardiff City, Wembley, Swansea City, to name a few. It can't be finance, so why not.....? Pianoman42

7:29am Wed 29 Jan 14

Euwan Usami says...

Pianoman42 wrote:
Whatever this season will bring, will bring.

But am I thinking too simply - why can't the County and Dragons and Newport R.F.C. Management get together and for once sort out the pitch during the summer.

Have they not heard of Desso pitches.....

Installed at Cardiff City, Wembley, Swansea City, to name a few.

It can't be finance, so why not.....?
Pitch was replaced last summer. Country got the cash via the FA.

Artificial pitch is 5 times as expensive so was ruled out. Extensive drainage system was only half completed though due to ground being too hard. Oh the Irony. To make matters worse they started at the end that didn't flood.

Should get sorted for next season now.
[quote][p][bold]Pianoman42[/bold] wrote: Whatever this season will bring, will bring. But am I thinking too simply - why can't the County and Dragons and Newport R.F.C. Management get together and for once sort out the pitch during the summer. Have they not heard of Desso pitches..... Installed at Cardiff City, Wembley, Swansea City, to name a few. It can't be finance, so why not.....?[/p][/quote]Pitch was replaced last summer. Country got the cash via the FA. Artificial pitch is 5 times as expensive so was ruled out. Extensive drainage system was only half completed though due to ground being too hard. Oh the Irony. To make matters worse they started at the end that didn't flood. Should get sorted for next season now. Euwan Usami

7:44am Wed 29 Jan 14

Pianoman42 says...

Euwan Usami wrote:
Pianoman42 wrote:
Whatever this season will bring, will bring.

But am I thinking too simply - why can't the County and Dragons and Newport R.F.C. Management get together and for once sort out the pitch during the summer.

Have they not heard of Desso pitches.....

Installed at Cardiff City, Wembley, Swansea City, to name a few.

It can't be finance, so why not.....?
Pitch was replaced last summer. Country got the cash via the FA.

Artificial pitch is 5 times as expensive so was ruled out. Extensive drainage system was only half completed though due to ground being too hard. Oh the Irony. To make matters worse they started at the end that didn't flood.

Should get sorted for next season now.
5 x £80,000?

How much has it cost already this season....?

Just do it.
[quote][p][bold]Euwan Usami[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pianoman42[/bold] wrote: Whatever this season will bring, will bring. But am I thinking too simply - why can't the County and Dragons and Newport R.F.C. Management get together and for once sort out the pitch during the summer. Have they not heard of Desso pitches..... Installed at Cardiff City, Wembley, Swansea City, to name a few. It can't be finance, so why not.....?[/p][/quote]Pitch was replaced last summer. Country got the cash via the FA. Artificial pitch is 5 times as expensive so was ruled out. Extensive drainage system was only half completed though due to ground being too hard. Oh the Irony. To make matters worse they started at the end that didn't flood. Should get sorted for next season now.[/p][/quote]5 x £80,000? How much has it cost already this season....? Just do it. Pianoman42

8:21am Wed 29 Jan 14

venga says...

Don't forget that county have lost form on the road and have failed to pick up valuable points' often against lower sides. All we can rally hope for is a play off position
Don't forget that county have lost form on the road and have failed to pick up valuable points' often against lower sides. All we can rally hope for is a play off position venga

8:59am Wed 29 Jan 14

Roland Thompson-Gunner says...

Whatever an artificial pitch might cost, County would have to take a voluntary demotion of three divisions to be allowed to play on one.
Whatever an artificial pitch might cost, County would have to take a voluntary demotion of three divisions to be allowed to play on one. Roland Thompson-Gunner

9:09am Wed 29 Jan 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

Yes I can see the disruption postponements cause. However, on the upside thats extra time to rest between games, clear minor injuries and work on tactics. County haven't made the most during January of what positives there are. A playoff position is a big ask now, especially if county get nowt at Southend Friday.
Yes I can see the disruption postponements cause. However, on the upside thats extra time to rest between games, clear minor injuries and work on tactics. County haven't made the most during January of what positives there are. A playoff position is a big ask now, especially if county get nowt at Southend Friday. Thomas O'Malley

9:46am Wed 29 Jan 14

NakedDancer says...

A grass pitch costs around £80,000 per season to maintain.

Fully artificial (plastic) pitches are not allowed in the Football League but are allowed in rugby eg Cardiff RFC, Saracens. They cost around £400,000 but have virtually no maintenance cost. They have to be replaced every few years.

Desso is a hybrid pitch allowed in the Football League (Wembley, Cardiff City Stadium, Liberty Stadium etc). It is 3% plastic spikes and 97% traditional drass. The grass roots intertwine with the spikes to give it strength. It costs £250,000-£500,000 and has to be relaid every few years. As it is mostly grass it still has the maintenance costs of a grass pitch though that is reduced due to less wear on the grass surface.
A grass pitch costs around £80,000 per season to maintain. Fully artificial (plastic) pitches are not allowed in the Football League but are allowed in rugby eg Cardiff RFC, Saracens. They cost around £400,000 but have virtually no maintenance cost. They have to be replaced every few years. Desso is a hybrid pitch allowed in the Football League (Wembley, Cardiff City Stadium, Liberty Stadium etc). It is 3% plastic spikes and 97% traditional drass. The grass roots intertwine with the spikes to give it strength. It costs £250,000-£500,000 and has to be relaid every few years. As it is mostly grass it still has the maintenance costs of a grass pitch though that is reduced due to less wear on the grass surface. NakedDancer

9:50am Wed 29 Jan 14

Dafydd y Garreg Wen says...

The Stadium owners should just invest in rain covers ASAP. A £20k fix apparently.
The Stadium owners should just invest in rain covers ASAP. A £20k fix apparently. Dafydd y Garreg Wen

10:24am Wed 29 Jan 14

NakedDancer says...

The problem with covers is the water still has to go somewhere so you would need a drainage system around the pitch and some way of getting the water off the covers into the drains. Unless you could drive one of those blotter machines over the covers perhaps ? You also have the challenge of getting covers on and off (a much bigger area than a tennis court) and whilst the cover is on any wind or sun can't get at the surface to aid evaporation.
The problem with covers is the water still has to go somewhere so you would need a drainage system around the pitch and some way of getting the water off the covers into the drains. Unless you could drive one of those blotter machines over the covers perhaps ? You also have the challenge of getting covers on and off (a much bigger area than a tennis court) and whilst the cover is on any wind or sun can't get at the surface to aid evaporation. NakedDancer

10:43am Wed 29 Jan 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

NakedDancer wrote:
A grass pitch costs around £80,000 per season to maintain. Fully artificial (plastic) pitches are not allowed in the Football League but are allowed in rugby eg Cardiff RFC, Saracens. They cost around £400,000 but have virtually no maintenance cost. They have to be replaced every few years. Desso is a hybrid pitch allowed in the Football League (Wembley, Cardiff City Stadium, Liberty Stadium etc). It is 3% plastic spikes and 97% traditional drass. The grass roots intertwine with the spikes to give it strength. It costs £250,000-£500,000 and has to be relaid every few years. As it is mostly grass it still has the maintenance costs of a grass pitch though that is reduced due to less wear on the grass surface.
To keep a Desso Grassmaster pitch in good condition and make the investment worthwhile you would also need a good drainage and irrigation system and probably undersoil heating.
[quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: A grass pitch costs around £80,000 per season to maintain. Fully artificial (plastic) pitches are not allowed in the Football League but are allowed in rugby eg Cardiff RFC, Saracens. They cost around £400,000 but have virtually no maintenance cost. They have to be replaced every few years. Desso is a hybrid pitch allowed in the Football League (Wembley, Cardiff City Stadium, Liberty Stadium etc). It is 3% plastic spikes and 97% traditional drass. The grass roots intertwine with the spikes to give it strength. It costs £250,000-£500,000 and has to be relaid every few years. As it is mostly grass it still has the maintenance costs of a grass pitch though that is reduced due to less wear on the grass surface.[/p][/quote]To keep a Desso Grassmaster pitch in good condition and make the investment worthwhile you would also need a good drainage and irrigation system and probably undersoil heating. Thomas O'Malley

2:09pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

Thomas O'Malley wrote:
NakedDancer wrote: A grass pitch costs around £80,000 per season to maintain. Fully artificial (plastic) pitches are not allowed in the Football League but are allowed in rugby eg Cardiff RFC, Saracens. They cost around £400,000 but have virtually no maintenance cost. They have to be replaced every few years. Desso is a hybrid pitch allowed in the Football League (Wembley, Cardiff City Stadium, Liberty Stadium etc). It is 3% plastic spikes and 97% traditional drass. The grass roots intertwine with the spikes to give it strength. It costs £250,000-£500,000 and has to be relaid every few years. As it is mostly grass it still has the maintenance costs of a grass pitch though that is reduced due to less wear on the grass surface.
To keep a Desso Grassmaster pitch in good condition and make the investment worthwhile you would also need a good drainage and irrigation system and probably undersoil heating.
True. Another factor is Newport Gwent Dragons already have a big debt so they wouldnt fund it. Rodney Parade Limited (ie Newport RFC) only have the rent income from the Dragons and County so they wouldn't fund it. Even if County could afford it they wouldn't invest that sort of money in a ground that they don't own. So options are limited to grants or benefactors.
[quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: A grass pitch costs around £80,000 per season to maintain. Fully artificial (plastic) pitches are not allowed in the Football League but are allowed in rugby eg Cardiff RFC, Saracens. They cost around £400,000 but have virtually no maintenance cost. They have to be replaced every few years. Desso is a hybrid pitch allowed in the Football League (Wembley, Cardiff City Stadium, Liberty Stadium etc). It is 3% plastic spikes and 97% traditional drass. The grass roots intertwine with the spikes to give it strength. It costs £250,000-£500,000 and has to be relaid every few years. As it is mostly grass it still has the maintenance costs of a grass pitch though that is reduced due to less wear on the grass surface.[/p][/quote]To keep a Desso Grassmaster pitch in good condition and make the investment worthwhile you would also need a good drainage and irrigation system and probably undersoil heating.[/p][/quote]True. Another factor is Newport Gwent Dragons already have a big debt so they wouldnt fund it. Rodney Parade Limited (ie Newport RFC) only have the rent income from the Dragons and County so they wouldn't fund it. Even if County could afford it they wouldn't invest that sort of money in a ground that they don't own. So options are limited to grants or benefactors. Thomas O'Malley

4:32pm Wed 29 Jan 14

richie55 says...

Never mind the weather...its they way County are playng thats getting me down!
Never mind the weather...its they way County are playng thats getting me down! richie55

7:09pm Wed 29 Jan 14

hazellboy says...

Pianoman42 wrote:
Euwan Usami wrote:
Pianoman42 wrote:
Whatever this season will bring, will bring.

But am I thinking too simply - why can't the County and Dragons and Newport R.F.C. Management get together and for once sort out the pitch during the summer.

Have they not heard of Desso pitches.....

Installed at Cardiff City, Wembley, Swansea City, to name a few.

It can't be finance, so why not.....?
Pitch was replaced last summer. Country got the cash via the FA.

Artificial pitch is 5 times as expensive so was ruled out. Extensive drainage system was only half completed though due to ground being too hard. Oh the Irony. To make matters worse they started at the end that didn't flood.

Should get sorted for next season now.
5 x £80,000?

How much has it cost already this season....?

Just do it.
5 x 80k ? maybe 2k paying punters at an average of £15 per head is 30k, and these games are not lost forever they will be played so don't stress
[quote][p][bold]Pianoman42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Euwan Usami[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pianoman42[/bold] wrote: Whatever this season will bring, will bring. But am I thinking too simply - why can't the County and Dragons and Newport R.F.C. Management get together and for once sort out the pitch during the summer. Have they not heard of Desso pitches..... Installed at Cardiff City, Wembley, Swansea City, to name a few. It can't be finance, so why not.....?[/p][/quote]Pitch was replaced last summer. Country got the cash via the FA. Artificial pitch is 5 times as expensive so was ruled out. Extensive drainage system was only half completed though due to ground being too hard. Oh the Irony. To make matters worse they started at the end that didn't flood. Should get sorted for next season now.[/p][/quote]5 x £80,000? How much has it cost already this season....? Just do it.[/p][/quote]5 x 80k ? maybe 2k paying punters at an average of £15 per head is 30k, and these games are not lost forever they will be played so don't stress hazellboy

7:13pm Wed 29 Jan 14

hazellboy says...

Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
NakedDancer wrote: A grass pitch costs around £80,000 per season to maintain. Fully artificial (plastic) pitches are not allowed in the Football League but are allowed in rugby eg Cardiff RFC, Saracens. They cost around £400,000 but have virtually no maintenance cost. They have to be replaced every few years. Desso is a hybrid pitch allowed in the Football League (Wembley, Cardiff City Stadium, Liberty Stadium etc). It is 3% plastic spikes and 97% traditional drass. The grass roots intertwine with the spikes to give it strength. It costs £250,000-£500,000 and has to be relaid every few years. As it is mostly grass it still has the maintenance costs of a grass pitch though that is reduced due to less wear on the grass surface.
To keep a Desso Grassmaster pitch in good condition and make the investment worthwhile you would also need a good drainage and irrigation system and probably undersoil heating.
True. Another factor is Newport Gwent Dragons already have a big debt so they wouldnt fund it. Rodney Parade Limited (ie Newport RFC) only have the rent income from the Dragons and County so they wouldn't fund it. Even if County could afford it they wouldn't invest that sort of money in a ground that they don't own. So options are limited to grants or benefactors.
Newport dragons have a big debt? not when I looked last
[quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: A grass pitch costs around £80,000 per season to maintain. Fully artificial (plastic) pitches are not allowed in the Football League but are allowed in rugby eg Cardiff RFC, Saracens. They cost around £400,000 but have virtually no maintenance cost. They have to be replaced every few years. Desso is a hybrid pitch allowed in the Football League (Wembley, Cardiff City Stadium, Liberty Stadium etc). It is 3% plastic spikes and 97% traditional drass. The grass roots intertwine with the spikes to give it strength. It costs £250,000-£500,000 and has to be relaid every few years. As it is mostly grass it still has the maintenance costs of a grass pitch though that is reduced due to less wear on the grass surface.[/p][/quote]To keep a Desso Grassmaster pitch in good condition and make the investment worthwhile you would also need a good drainage and irrigation system and probably undersoil heating.[/p][/quote]True. Another factor is Newport Gwent Dragons already have a big debt so they wouldnt fund it. Rodney Parade Limited (ie Newport RFC) only have the rent income from the Dragons and County so they wouldn't fund it. Even if County could afford it they wouldn't invest that sort of money in a ground that they don't own. So options are limited to grants or benefactors.[/p][/quote]Newport dragons have a big debt? not when I looked last hazellboy

6:55am Thu 30 Jan 14

Pianoman42 says...

hazellboy wrote:
Pianoman42 wrote:
Euwan Usami wrote:
Pianoman42 wrote:
Whatever this season will bring, will bring.

But am I thinking too simply - why can't the County and Dragons and Newport R.F.C. Management get together and for once sort out the pitch during the summer.

Have they not heard of Desso pitches.....

Installed at Cardiff City, Wembley, Swansea City, to name a few.

It can't be finance, so why not.....?
Pitch was replaced last summer. Country got the cash via the FA.

Artificial pitch is 5 times as expensive so was ruled out. Extensive drainage system was only half completed though due to ground being too hard. Oh the Irony. To make matters worse they started at the end that didn't flood.

Should get sorted for next season now.
5 x £80,000?

How much has it cost already this season....?

Just do it.
5 x 80k ? maybe 2k paying punters at an average of £15 per head is 30k, and these games are not lost forever they will be played so don't stress
I fear the cost might go beyond just the financial aspect...I am firmly convinced that this is a case of missing the opportunity of getting a superb pitch installed last summer, and if the plans are not to do it this summer then regardless of any remedial work to finish the northern end Rodney Parade will still be soggy, and confidence in the current contractors is very low.

We are experiencing more and more wet weather year round.

The players and manager must be so frustrated by now.........

BUT, this team has the strength and ability to get into the automatic promotion places, and have been a delight to watch most of the time, so if they do, or even if they don't, then we must have a radical attitude towards the ground come the close season.

I've said my bit...that's it. I'm not stressed by the way.





The fans are frustrated.
[quote][p][bold]hazellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pianoman42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Euwan Usami[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pianoman42[/bold] wrote: Whatever this season will bring, will bring. But am I thinking too simply - why can't the County and Dragons and Newport R.F.C. Management get together and for once sort out the pitch during the summer. Have they not heard of Desso pitches..... Installed at Cardiff City, Wembley, Swansea City, to name a few. It can't be finance, so why not.....?[/p][/quote]Pitch was replaced last summer. Country got the cash via the FA. Artificial pitch is 5 times as expensive so was ruled out. Extensive drainage system was only half completed though due to ground being too hard. Oh the Irony. To make matters worse they started at the end that didn't flood. Should get sorted for next season now.[/p][/quote]5 x £80,000? How much has it cost already this season....? Just do it.[/p][/quote]5 x 80k ? maybe 2k paying punters at an average of £15 per head is 30k, and these games are not lost forever they will be played so don't stress[/p][/quote]I fear the cost might go beyond just the financial aspect...I am firmly convinced that this is a case of missing the opportunity of getting a superb pitch installed last summer, and if the plans are not to do it this summer then regardless of any remedial work to finish the northern end Rodney Parade will still be soggy, and confidence in the current contractors is very low. We are experiencing more and more wet weather year round. The players and manager must be so frustrated by now......... BUT, this team has the strength and ability to get into the automatic promotion places, and have been a delight to watch most of the time, so if they do, or even if they don't, then we must have a radical attitude towards the ground come the close season. I've said my bit...that's it. I'm not stressed by the way. The fans are frustrated. Pianoman42

9:08am Thu 30 Jan 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

hazellboy wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
Thomas O'Malley wrote:
NakedDancer wrote: A grass pitch costs around £80,000 per season to maintain. Fully artificial (plastic) pitches are not allowed in the Football League but are allowed in rugby eg Cardiff RFC, Saracens. They cost around £400,000 but have virtually no maintenance cost. They have to be replaced every few years. Desso is a hybrid pitch allowed in the Football League (Wembley, Cardiff City Stadium, Liberty Stadium etc). It is 3% plastic spikes and 97% traditional drass. The grass roots intertwine with the spikes to give it strength. It costs £250,000-£500,000 and has to be relaid every few years. As it is mostly grass it still has the maintenance costs of a grass pitch though that is reduced due to less wear on the grass surface.
To keep a Desso Grassmaster pitch in good condition and make the investment worthwhile you would also need a good drainage and irrigation system and probably undersoil heating.
True. Another factor is Newport Gwent Dragons already have a big debt so they wouldnt fund it. Rodney Parade Limited (ie Newport RFC) only have the rent income from the Dragons and County so they wouldn't fund it. Even if County could afford it they wouldn't invest that sort of money in a ground that they don't own. So options are limited to grants or benefactors.
Newport dragons have a big debt? not when I looked last
In July 2012 the Auditor reported Dragons debt is £2.5M. If you have more recent data please tell us. However, the Dragons don't own the ground either so they wouldn't spend that kind of money on the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]hazellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: A grass pitch costs around £80,000 per season to maintain. Fully artificial (plastic) pitches are not allowed in the Football League but are allowed in rugby eg Cardiff RFC, Saracens. They cost around £400,000 but have virtually no maintenance cost. They have to be replaced every few years. Desso is a hybrid pitch allowed in the Football League (Wembley, Cardiff City Stadium, Liberty Stadium etc). It is 3% plastic spikes and 97% traditional drass. The grass roots intertwine with the spikes to give it strength. It costs £250,000-£500,000 and has to be relaid every few years. As it is mostly grass it still has the maintenance costs of a grass pitch though that is reduced due to less wear on the grass surface.[/p][/quote]To keep a Desso Grassmaster pitch in good condition and make the investment worthwhile you would also need a good drainage and irrigation system and probably undersoil heating.[/p][/quote]True. Another factor is Newport Gwent Dragons already have a big debt so they wouldnt fund it. Rodney Parade Limited (ie Newport RFC) only have the rent income from the Dragons and County so they wouldn't fund it. Even if County could afford it they wouldn't invest that sort of money in a ground that they don't own. So options are limited to grants or benefactors.[/p][/quote]Newport dragons have a big debt? not when I looked last[/p][/quote]In July 2012 the Auditor reported Dragons debt is £2.5M. If you have more recent data please tell us. However, the Dragons don't own the ground either so they wouldn't spend that kind of money on the pitch. Thomas O'Malley

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