Newport Gwent Dragons 10 Gwent Select 16 – match report

IT may be harsh to lay too much into the Newport Gwent Dragons after the full-timers were undone by the semi-professionals of the Gwent Select but in all honesty this was a game they should never have lost.

And there is no doubt that the cream of Gwent’s Premiership sides Cross Keys, Newport and Bedwas thoroughly deserved their victory.

Coached by the capable trio of Steve Law, Greg Woods and Jon Bryant, the equally proficient players of the Gwent Select were gutsy, determined and defended like demons.

It was an ugly win in a match seriously low on quality but victorious captain, Keys’ abrasive and able skipper Rob Nash and his men will scarcely care after lowering Dragons colours at Rodney Parade.

Dragons head coach Darren Edwards had spoken before the game how he was looking at the Premiership boys to show him what they could do with a view of making the step up to regional rugby down the line.

Players like Nash, his Pandy Park teammates, hooker Gerwyn Price and second row Dan Hodge, and his partner, Bedwas’ up and coming Craig Lodge (the 21-year-old and 6ft 6in lock from Cwmbran who trained with the Dragons over the summer), all had fine games for Gwent Select.

For the Dragons the positives were a little shorter in supply.

True it was far from a full strength squad but there were some first team players included like new signings Tom Prydie and Daniel Evans, the Wales internationals making their Dragons debuts.

Popular wing Mike Poole played his first game since October after overcoming his third major knee operation and came through unscathed, replaced as a precaution just after half an hour by another Wales cap in Will Harries.

Gwent Select more than matched the Dragons up front but behind the region had the definite edge on paper but were completely add odds to press home any advantage.

It is true, in a scrappy game where momentum was difficult to build, the Dragons forwards failed to provide much of a platform.

But there was a lack of leadership among the backs to do something about it.

Good news for Dragons fans is that their new lock Ian Nimmo, signed in the summer from the Cornish Pirates, made a prominent debut.

The 27-year-old put his 6ft 7in and 18st 8lb frame around and the colourful second row is said to have already become a popular squad member.

The lineout went well for the region with former prop Hugh Gustafson having a good day throwing the ball in in his new life as a hooker.

Bedwas outside half Richard Powell also had a good day, scoring all his side’s points from three penalties and his converted interception try, which proved to be the difference between the two sides.

Gwent Select started the game as they meant to go on and led 6-0 after just over a quarter of an hour.

The Dragons started to get their act together and went into the lead after 20 minutes when No 8 Tom Brown crashed over for a try after centre Pat Leach went close, outside half Steffan Jones kicking the difficult conversion.

But they were merely flattering to deceive because Powell did well to pounce on a pass and beat the chasing Jones to score that interception try just seven minutes later.

The Dragons reduced the deficit to 13-10 on the half an hour mark.

Few would have thought that would be their last score of the game.

Powell’s third penalty in the 53rd minute gave Gwent Select a six-point lead they rarely threatened to surrender in an eminently forgettable second half.

Dragons team: D Evans, T Prydie, P Leach, J Dixon, M Poole, S Jones, J Evans, A Coundley, H Gustafson, D Way, I Nimmo, A Coombs (capt), J Groves, D Waters, T Brown. Replacements all used: S Parry, N Williams, T Ryan, J Tyler, H Stoddart, I Jones, W Evans, L Robling, W Harries, A Tuilagi.

Dragons scorers: Try – Tom Brown, Conversion – Steffan Jones, Penalty – S Jones.

Gwent Select team: G O’Driscoll, K Baller, A Awcock, R Wardle, E Frewen, R Powell, R Downes, R Cornock, G Price, K Gaye, D Hodge, C Lodge, P Sargent, R Nash (capt), J Thomas. Replacements all used: R Hutchinson, A Lott, M Jones, K Maiden, C Attwell, A Powell, A Quick, D Gunter, A Davies, M John.

Gwent Select scorers: Try – Richard Powell, Conversion – R Powell, Penalties – R Powell.

Referee: Neil Hennessy (WRU)

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4:21pm Sun 5 Aug 12

Tak523SC says...

I could be wrong but I think I notice some ex-Pontypool names in the list of the Gwent Select Team.
Are these the players that the WRU said "weren't good enough" and part of the reasons Pontypool were relegated?
mmm....contradiction again if you ask me. Oh yeh, havn't the Dragons hired Pontpool's ex- Head Coach?
mmm....who employs "failures"?
Well, the coach and players are not failures....they are good at their sport...it just shows the WRU's double mindedness and desire to get Pontypool out of the Premiership if you ask me.
I could be wrong but I think I notice some ex-Pontypool names in the list of the Gwent Select Team. Are these the players that the WRU said "weren't good enough" and part of the reasons Pontypool were relegated? mmm....contradiction again if you ask me. Oh yeh, havn't the Dragons hired Pontpool's ex- Head Coach? mmm....who employs "failures"? Well, the coach and players are not failures....they are good at their sport...it just shows the WRU's double mindedness and desire to get Pontypool out of the Premiership if you ask me. Tak523SC

5:18pm Sun 5 Aug 12

dalesman1666 says...

The ospreys have allocaed this number of players to play for premiership clubs this coming season. Bridgend13. swansea 12 aberavon 8 neath 3. So much for development of local talent. Bridgend now become ospreys 2 and swansea ospreys 3. The shambles that is welsh rugby. Bridgend + swansea home grown players now become bench warmers .due to incentives.by the regions.
The ospreys have allocaed this number of players to play for premiership clubs this coming season. Bridgend13. swansea 12 aberavon 8 neath 3. So much for development of local talent. Bridgend now become ospreys 2 and swansea ospreys 3. The shambles that is welsh rugby. Bridgend + swansea home grown players now become bench warmers .due to incentives.by the regions. dalesman1666

5:20pm Sun 5 Aug 12

JWeaver says...

Give it up Tak523SC pontypool were consistently bottom of all the gwent teams for last few years and facilities worse than all the other sides too. Yes as individuals the coach's and players may be talented but you cannot argue with the fact they didn't perform for years!
This report was not about pontypool so i think it's time for you to move on!
Give it up Tak523SC pontypool were consistently bottom of all the gwent teams for last few years and facilities worse than all the other sides too. Yes as individuals the coach's and players may be talented but you cannot argue with the fact they didn't perform for years! This report was not about pontypool so i think it's time for you to move on! JWeaver

5:34pm Sun 5 Aug 12

crosskeysgirl18 says...

Well said something Weaver. (Page has gone off the computer). Its about time that people like Tak523SC got a grip and stopped going on with the comments about Pontypool!!! Face it, Pontypool are rubbish! Its about time the Dragons started to look at clubs that play well in the premiership like Keys and Bedwas! Pooler come nowhere near as playing as good as they used to. Change the record before you make too many enemies of yourself!!
Well said something Weaver. (Page has gone off the computer). Its about time that people like Tak523SC got a grip and stopped going on with the comments about Pontypool!!! Face it, Pontypool are rubbish! Its about time the Dragons started to look at clubs that play well in the premiership like Keys and Bedwas! Pooler come nowhere near as playing as good as they used to. Change the record before you make too many enemies of yourself!! crosskeysgirl18

7:36pm Sun 5 Aug 12

number12 says...

shocking game to be honest, let's face it we should not be losing to a gwent select team! I think it should be less time in Nando's and more time training and practising! I have to question Darren Edwards as coach once again!?!
shocking game to be honest, let's face it we should not be losing to a gwent select team! I think it should be less time in Nando's and more time training and practising! I have to question Darren Edwards as coach once again!?! number12

12:48am Mon 6 Aug 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Come off it people it was a preseason game of little importance except for looking at the premiership sides to see what they may have for the future. It seems there may be a few prospects, but that is a matter of time. The next game won't show much either, an away game with academy players still being exposed to better challenges and development. The game after that is where the season starts, early days, so onward and upward (hopefully).
Come off it people it was a preseason game of little importance except for looking at the premiership sides to see what they may have for the future. It seems there may be a few prospects, but that is a matter of time. The next game won't show much either, an away game with academy players still being exposed to better challenges and development. The game after that is where the season starts, early days, so onward and upward (hopefully). Robert Shillabeer

1:13am Mon 6 Aug 12

Newport Dave says...

JWeaver wrote:
Give it up Tak523SC pontypool were consistently bottom of all the gwent teams for last few years and facilities worse than all the other sides too. Yes as individuals the coach's and players may be talented but you cannot argue with the fact they didn't perform for years!
This report was not about pontypool so i think it's time for you to move on!
It distresses me as a Newport loyalist to say this, but Pooler have been poor on the field for a while now, but nobody can argue that fact.
But just for the sake of pedantry (working on your statement about them "being consistently bottom of all the Gwent teams for the last few years"):
11/12 season they finished above Bedwas (and even managed to finish joint on points with us).
10/11 season they finished 12th of 14 clubs (though the two below them weren't from Gwent).
09/10 they finished above Ebbw Vale who were relegated.
So that's two out of three years which you have to agree is (as you term it) "the last few years).
If you're going to make statements, make sure they are right otherwise you'll end up looking like "gwentfan" does when he comes out of hiding on here after having his arse handed to him on a regular basis.
[quote][p][bold]JWeaver[/bold] wrote: Give it up Tak523SC pontypool were consistently bottom of all the gwent teams for last few years and facilities worse than all the other sides too. Yes as individuals the coach's and players may be talented but you cannot argue with the fact they didn't perform for years! This report was not about pontypool so i think it's time for you to move on![/p][/quote]It distresses me as a Newport loyalist to say this, but Pooler have been poor on the field for a while now, but nobody can argue that fact. But just for the sake of pedantry (working on your statement about them "being consistently bottom of all the Gwent teams for the last few years"): 11/12 season they finished above Bedwas (and even managed to finish joint on points with us). 10/11 season they finished 12th of 14 clubs (though the two below them weren't from Gwent). 09/10 they finished above Ebbw Vale who were relegated. So that's two out of three years which you have to agree is (as you term it) "the last few years). If you're going to make statements, make sure they are right otherwise you'll end up looking like "gwentfan" does when he comes out of hiding on here after having his arse handed to him on a regular basis. Newport Dave

1:20am Mon 6 Aug 12

Newport Dave says...

crosskeysgirl18 wrote:
Well said something Weaver. (Page has gone off the computer). Its about time that people like Tak523SC got a grip and stopped going on with the comments about Pontypool!!! Face it, Pontypool are rubbish! Its about time the Dragons started to look at clubs that play well in the premiership like Keys and Bedwas! Pooler come nowhere near as playing as good as they used to. Change the record before you make too many enemies of yourself!!
I'm still waiting for you to tell us why the council should "butt out" of the whole affair as Pontyool use their ground and facilities to play their matches which brings in money to them.
If you wish to continue our debate (which gwentfan got smashed in) please feel free. I have the link if you want to continue your side of things on there or you can just carry on here telling us exactly why it has NOTHING to do with the council.
[quote][p][bold]crosskeysgirl18[/bold] wrote: Well said something Weaver. (Page has gone off the computer). Its about time that people like Tak523SC got a grip and stopped going on with the comments about Pontypool!!! Face it, Pontypool are rubbish! Its about time the Dragons started to look at clubs that play well in the premiership like Keys and Bedwas! Pooler come nowhere near as playing as good as they used to. Change the record before you make too many enemies of yourself!![/p][/quote]I'm still waiting for you to tell us why the council should "butt out" of the whole affair as Pontyool use their ground and facilities to play their matches which brings in money to them. If you wish to continue our debate (which gwentfan got smashed in) please feel free. I have the link if you want to continue your side of things on there or you can just carry on here telling us exactly why it has NOTHING to do with the council. Newport Dave

9:00am Mon 6 Aug 12

rhinestine says...

I am fed up of pontypool fans moaning like they are hard done by.

As a player I have played against them at youth and senior level, and to be honest they are not a nice bunch, they got a massive chip on their shoulder and think because many moons ago they had "the pontypool front row" that the rugby world owes them.

Fact is, those days are gone, but the players and the fans are as venomous as ever, they have never bought into the regions and never will.

I wish the rugby format was like it was in the 90's, local derby's etc, but it's not.

Pooler are a poor side, get over it, they should be happy to be playing rugby at a good level.
I am fed up of pontypool fans moaning like they are hard done by. As a player I have played against them at youth and senior level, and to be honest they are not a nice bunch, they got a massive chip on their shoulder and think because many moons ago they had "the pontypool front row" that the rugby world owes them. Fact is, those days are gone, but the players and the fans are as venomous as ever, they have never bought into the regions and never will. I wish the rugby format was like it was in the 90's, local derby's etc, but it's not. Pooler are a poor side, get over it, they should be happy to be playing rugby at a good level. rhinestine

3:29pm Mon 6 Aug 12

Newport Dave says...

rhinestine wrote:
I am fed up of pontypool fans moaning like they are hard done by.

As a player I have played against them at youth and senior level, and to be honest they are not a nice bunch, they got a massive chip on their shoulder and think because many moons ago they had "the pontypool front row" that the rugby world owes them.

Fact is, those days are gone, but the players and the fans are as venomous as ever, they have never bought into the regions and never will.

I wish the rugby format was like it was in the 90's, local derby's etc, but it's not.

Pooler are a poor side, get over it, they should be happy to be playing rugby at a good level.
Good post, I agree with most that rhinestone (except I've never played against them).
However, what makes this matter roll on and on is people posting things on here that are not factual or relevant or simply born of a very large chip on their own shoulders (this is not a reference to you as you make some good sense in your post).
People like gwentfan and crosskeygirl18 make their sweeping statements which are not factual or even well thought out. You get the feeling that people like these find it impossible to see very well due to the size of the chip they have on at least one of their shoulders.
People like gwentfan who are in the "hard of thinking" group should leave the posting of sensible stuff to people like you who make clear and concise points without sounding like a Neanderthal mashing on a keyboard hoping his hate is somehow translated through this new electric device thing.
Keep posting mate. It makes a nice change to read something sensible.

crosskeysgirl18 - still waiting for that answer. Why should the council butt out?"
[quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: I am fed up of pontypool fans moaning like they are hard done by. As a player I have played against them at youth and senior level, and to be honest they are not a nice bunch, they got a massive chip on their shoulder and think because many moons ago they had "the pontypool front row" that the rugby world owes them. Fact is, those days are gone, but the players and the fans are as venomous as ever, they have never bought into the regions and never will. I wish the rugby format was like it was in the 90's, local derby's etc, but it's not. Pooler are a poor side, get over it, they should be happy to be playing rugby at a good level.[/p][/quote]Good post, I agree with most that rhinestone (except I've never played against them). However, what makes this matter roll on and on is people posting things on here that are not factual or relevant or simply born of a very large chip on their own shoulders (this is not a reference to you as you make some good sense in your post). People like gwentfan and crosskeygirl18 make their sweeping statements which are not factual or even well thought out. You get the feeling that people like these find it impossible to see very well due to the size of the chip they have on at least one of their shoulders. People like gwentfan who are in the "hard of thinking" group should leave the posting of sensible stuff to people like you who make clear and concise points without sounding like a Neanderthal mashing on a keyboard hoping his hate is somehow translated through this new electric device thing. Keep posting mate. It makes a nice change to read something sensible. crosskeysgirl18 - still waiting for that answer. Why should the council butt out?" Newport Dave

4:07pm Mon 6 Aug 12

rhinestine says...

Newport Dave wrote:
rhinestine wrote:
I am fed up of pontypool fans moaning like they are hard done by.

As a player I have played against them at youth and senior level, and to be honest they are not a nice bunch, they got a massive chip on their shoulder and think because many moons ago they had "the pontypool front row" that the rugby world owes them.

Fact is, those days are gone, but the players and the fans are as venomous as ever, they have never bought into the regions and never will.

I wish the rugby format was like it was in the 90's, local derby's etc, but it's not.

Pooler are a poor side, get over it, they should be happy to be playing rugby at a good level.
Good post, I agree with most that rhinestone (except I've never played against them).
However, what makes this matter roll on and on is people posting things on here that are not factual or relevant or simply born of a very large chip on their own shoulders (this is not a reference to you as you make some good sense in your post).
People like gwentfan and crosskeygirl18 make their sweeping statements which are not factual or even well thought out. You get the feeling that people like these find it impossible to see very well due to the size of the chip they have on at least one of their shoulders.
People like gwentfan who are in the "hard of thinking" group should leave the posting of sensible stuff to people like you who make clear and concise points without sounding like a Neanderthal mashing on a keyboard hoping his hate is somehow translated through this new electric device thing.
Keep posting mate. It makes a nice change to read something sensible.

crosskeysgirl18 - still waiting for that answer. Why should the council butt out?"
Thank you Dave.

Your right on the money, the posters you mention are all to typical of folk from that geographical location, hate, anger, and an attitude of them and us, it has been like this since i can remember.

In Rugby terms, valley teams are all the same, they hate Newport teams and anything or body that goes with it.

I remember playing at the "Garn", first thing my opposing number said to me was " Im gona tear your eyes out, you townie ****"...............


The good days are gone for all rugby clubs now, regions rule, we have all lost our identity in some way, so lets all try and get on and be thankful the pooler and any other teams, have a good league structure to play in.

Dave, I like you, one of the more constructive posters here on the Argus site.
[quote][p][bold]Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: I am fed up of pontypool fans moaning like they are hard done by. As a player I have played against them at youth and senior level, and to be honest they are not a nice bunch, they got a massive chip on their shoulder and think because many moons ago they had "the pontypool front row" that the rugby world owes them. Fact is, those days are gone, but the players and the fans are as venomous as ever, they have never bought into the regions and never will. I wish the rugby format was like it was in the 90's, local derby's etc, but it's not. Pooler are a poor side, get over it, they should be happy to be playing rugby at a good level.[/p][/quote]Good post, I agree with most that rhinestone (except I've never played against them). However, what makes this matter roll on and on is people posting things on here that are not factual or relevant or simply born of a very large chip on their own shoulders (this is not a reference to you as you make some good sense in your post). People like gwentfan and crosskeygirl18 make their sweeping statements which are not factual or even well thought out. You get the feeling that people like these find it impossible to see very well due to the size of the chip they have on at least one of their shoulders. People like gwentfan who are in the "hard of thinking" group should leave the posting of sensible stuff to people like you who make clear and concise points without sounding like a Neanderthal mashing on a keyboard hoping his hate is somehow translated through this new electric device thing. Keep posting mate. It makes a nice change to read something sensible. crosskeysgirl18 - still waiting for that answer. Why should the council butt out?"[/p][/quote]Thank you Dave. Your right on the money, the posters you mention are all to typical of folk from that geographical location, hate, anger, and an attitude of them and us, it has been like this since i can remember. In Rugby terms, valley teams are all the same, they hate Newport teams and anything or body that goes with it. I remember playing at the "Garn", first thing my opposing number said to me was " Im gona tear your eyes out, you townie ****"............... The good days are gone for all rugby clubs now, regions rule, we have all lost our identity in some way, so lets all try and get on and be thankful the pooler and any other teams, have a good league structure to play in. Dave, I like you, one of the more constructive posters here on the Argus site. rhinestine

6:31pm Mon 6 Aug 12

Regionalist says...

rhinestine wrote:
Newport Dave wrote:
rhinestine wrote: I am fed up of pontypool fans moaning like they are hard done by. As a player I have played against them at youth and senior level, and to be honest they are not a nice bunch, they got a massive chip on their shoulder and think because many moons ago they had "the pontypool front row" that the rugby world owes them. Fact is, those days are gone, but the players and the fans are as venomous as ever, they have never bought into the regions and never will. I wish the rugby format was like it was in the 90's, local derby's etc, but it's not. Pooler are a poor side, get over it, they should be happy to be playing rugby at a good level.
Good post, I agree with most that rhinestone (except I've never played against them). However, what makes this matter roll on and on is people posting things on here that are not factual or relevant or simply born of a very large chip on their own shoulders (this is not a reference to you as you make some good sense in your post). People like gwentfan and crosskeygirl18 make their sweeping statements which are not factual or even well thought out. You get the feeling that people like these find it impossible to see very well due to the size of the chip they have on at least one of their shoulders. People like gwentfan who are in the "hard of thinking" group should leave the posting of sensible stuff to people like you who make clear and concise points without sounding like a Neanderthal mashing on a keyboard hoping his hate is somehow translated through this new electric device thing. Keep posting mate. It makes a nice change to read something sensible. crosskeysgirl18 - still waiting for that answer. Why should the council butt out?"
Thank you Dave. Your right on the money, the posters you mention are all to typical of folk from that geographical location, hate, anger, and an attitude of them and us, it has been like this since i can remember. In Rugby terms, valley teams are all the same, they hate Newport teams and anything or body that goes with it. I remember playing at the "Garn", first thing my opposing number said to me was " Im gona tear your eyes out, you townie ****"............... The good days are gone for all rugby clubs now, regions rule, we have all lost our identity in some way, so lets all try and get on and be thankful the pooler and any other teams, have a good league structure to play in. Dave, I like you, one of the more constructive posters here on the Argus site.
+1
[quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: I am fed up of pontypool fans moaning like they are hard done by. As a player I have played against them at youth and senior level, and to be honest they are not a nice bunch, they got a massive chip on their shoulder and think because many moons ago they had "the pontypool front row" that the rugby world owes them. Fact is, those days are gone, but the players and the fans are as venomous as ever, they have never bought into the regions and never will. I wish the rugby format was like it was in the 90's, local derby's etc, but it's not. Pooler are a poor side, get over it, they should be happy to be playing rugby at a good level.[/p][/quote]Good post, I agree with most that rhinestone (except I've never played against them). However, what makes this matter roll on and on is people posting things on here that are not factual or relevant or simply born of a very large chip on their own shoulders (this is not a reference to you as you make some good sense in your post). People like gwentfan and crosskeygirl18 make their sweeping statements which are not factual or even well thought out. You get the feeling that people like these find it impossible to see very well due to the size of the chip they have on at least one of their shoulders. People like gwentfan who are in the "hard of thinking" group should leave the posting of sensible stuff to people like you who make clear and concise points without sounding like a Neanderthal mashing on a keyboard hoping his hate is somehow translated through this new electric device thing. Keep posting mate. It makes a nice change to read something sensible. crosskeysgirl18 - still waiting for that answer. Why should the council butt out?"[/p][/quote]Thank you Dave. Your right on the money, the posters you mention are all to typical of folk from that geographical location, hate, anger, and an attitude of them and us, it has been like this since i can remember. In Rugby terms, valley teams are all the same, they hate Newport teams and anything or body that goes with it. I remember playing at the "Garn", first thing my opposing number said to me was " Im gona tear your eyes out, you townie ****"............... The good days are gone for all rugby clubs now, regions rule, we have all lost our identity in some way, so lets all try and get on and be thankful the pooler and any other teams, have a good league structure to play in. Dave, I like you, one of the more constructive posters here on the Argus site.[/p][/quote]+1 Regionalist

7:15pm Mon 6 Aug 12

Tak523SC says...

rhinestine wrote:
I am fed up of pontypool fans moaning like they are hard done by.

As a player I have played against them at youth and senior level, and to be honest they are not a nice bunch, they got a massive chip on their shoulder and think because many moons ago they had "the pontypool front row" that the rugby world owes them.

Fact is, those days are gone, but the players and the fans are as venomous as ever, they have never bought into the regions and never will.

I wish the rugby format was like it was in the 90's, local derby's etc, but it's not.

Pooler are a poor side, get over it, they should be happy to be playing rugby at a good level.
Yes...thanks Rhinestine...unwitti
ngly you did confirm my points. If those players were so poor then why have Newport, Dragons and other teams snapped them up? Surely if they were that bad they should be up the Jobcentre. If I were coach, I wouldn't have losers. Would you if you were coach? It proves the fact that they weren't bad players or coaches at all. Argument #1 demolished !
Point # 2 - As for Pontypool fans having a chip on their shoulders....nah, not me. I'm totally fair....don't wish ill on anyone or any team. Don't care who they are. Actually...if you read the forums that Pontypool fans post on, they are very supportive of other Gwent Clubs...... even some of the smaller ones. Yes, there's some banter but nothing abusive or malicious.
My main point, and I will leave it at this is that no matter how progress is to be made, it has to be made with grass roots rugby in mind. The WRU are not doing that...they appear to favour certain clubs and the rest can go...well...wherever - because they won't have WRU support.
Okay...this subject is well and truly done I think.
[quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: I am fed up of pontypool fans moaning like they are hard done by. As a player I have played against them at youth and senior level, and to be honest they are not a nice bunch, they got a massive chip on their shoulder and think because many moons ago they had "the pontypool front row" that the rugby world owes them. Fact is, those days are gone, but the players and the fans are as venomous as ever, they have never bought into the regions and never will. I wish the rugby format was like it was in the 90's, local derby's etc, but it's not. Pooler are a poor side, get over it, they should be happy to be playing rugby at a good level.[/p][/quote]Yes...thanks Rhinestine...unwitti ngly you did confirm my points. If those players were so poor then why have Newport, Dragons and other teams snapped them up? Surely if they were that bad they should be up the Jobcentre. If I were coach, I wouldn't have losers. Would you if you were coach? It proves the fact that they weren't bad players or coaches at all. Argument #1 demolished ! Point # 2 - As for Pontypool fans having a chip on their shoulders....nah, not me. I'm totally fair....don't wish ill on anyone or any team. Don't care who they are. Actually...if you read the forums that Pontypool fans post on, they are very supportive of other Gwent Clubs...... even some of the smaller ones. Yes, there's some banter but nothing abusive or malicious. My main point, and I will leave it at this is that no matter how progress is to be made, it has to be made with grass roots rugby in mind. The WRU are not doing that...they appear to favour certain clubs and the rest can go...well...wherever - because they won't have WRU support. Okay...this subject is well and truly done I think. Tak523SC

10:47pm Mon 6 Aug 12

JWeaver says...

Point 1 cannot be demolished because they've mostly gone to Newport who to be fair have been on the slide last few years (here I go again this time it is factual haha) and have a very poor coaching set up! Hope I'm proved wrong but can't see Newport or bedwas doing much this year!
Point 1 cannot be demolished because they've mostly gone to Newport who to be fair have been on the slide last few years (here I go again this time it is factual haha) and have a very poor coaching set up! Hope I'm proved wrong but can't see Newport or bedwas doing much this year! JWeaver

11:07pm Mon 6 Aug 12

CM1 says...

Rhinestine, not hard done by, just think it is lunacy to leave the future inspiration for Gwent rugby north of the M4 with Cross Keys and Bedwas. Which of those clubs will inspire north Monmouthshire, Torfaen and BGwent?

Probably best not to make sweeping generalisations regarding your likes or dislikes of fans and players of individual clubs, as we all have anecdotal evidence of depressing stories regarding the attitude of individual supporters of other clubs.

Would Newport RFC be happy playing rugby "at a good level"?
Rhinestine, not hard done by, just think it is lunacy to leave the future inspiration for Gwent rugby north of the M4 with Cross Keys and Bedwas. Which of those clubs will inspire north Monmouthshire, Torfaen and BGwent? Probably best not to make sweeping generalisations regarding your likes or dislikes of fans and players of individual clubs, as we all have anecdotal evidence of depressing stories regarding the attitude of individual supporters of other clubs. Would Newport RFC be happy playing rugby "at a good level"? CM1

11:53am Tue 7 Aug 12

rhinestine says...

yes, newport would be, and they have to be, face it, it's all about the regions now, all the clubs who were top of the pops are now redundant, including pooler and newport.
yes, newport would be, and they have to be, face it, it's all about the regions now, all the clubs who were top of the pops are now redundant, including pooler and newport. rhinestine

6:34pm Tue 7 Aug 12

Newport Dave says...

rhinestine wrote:
yes, newport would be, and they have to be, face it, it's all about the regions now, all the clubs who were top of the pops are now redundant, including pooler and newport.
Well said.
There is no such thing as a big club in Wales anymore. We are all cogs in the machine.
[quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: yes, newport would be, and they have to be, face it, it's all about the regions now, all the clubs who were top of the pops are now redundant, including pooler and newport.[/p][/quote]Well said. There is no such thing as a big club in Wales anymore. We are all cogs in the machine. Newport Dave

9:10pm Tue 7 Aug 12

CM1 says...

Rhinestine, that is not the point you were making and you know it; I somehow think that you would have a little more to say if NRFC were demoted to the lower leagues on an arbitrary WRU whim.

ND, Rage against the machine; good band and apt.
Rhinestine, that is not the point you were making and you know it; I somehow think that you would have a little more to say if NRFC were demoted to the lower leagues on an arbitrary WRU whim. ND, Rage against the machine; good band and apt. CM1

9:28pm Tue 7 Aug 12

rhinestine says...

CM1 wrote:
Rhinestine, that is not the point you were making and you know it; I somehow think that you would have a little more to say if NRFC were demoted to the lower leagues on an arbitrary WRU whim.

ND, Rage against the machine; good band and apt.
Thing is what does it matter? The standard of play is not great at that level, if a player gets noticed or his dad is mates with a regional coach, or lucky enough to be in an academy, then they are in a good position to become a regional player.

Trust me, there is not much difference between the levels of rugbŷ, I have played in the gwent leagues and every division up to the first division, the gwent league was the toughest but 1 and 2 were faster.

I understand pooler feel hard done by, and why us, but it makes no difference really, all cogs in a very big and unstable wheel.

Give me the good old days! I would have them back tomorrow !
[quote][p][bold]CM1[/bold] wrote: Rhinestine, that is not the point you were making and you know it; I somehow think that you would have a little more to say if NRFC were demoted to the lower leagues on an arbitrary WRU whim. ND, Rage against the machine; good band and apt.[/p][/quote]Thing is what does it matter? The standard of play is not great at that level, if a player gets noticed or his dad is mates with a regional coach, or lucky enough to be in an academy, then they are in a good position to become a regional player. Trust me, there is not much difference between the levels of rugbŷ, I have played in the gwent leagues and every division up to the first division, the gwent league was the toughest but 1 and 2 were faster. I understand pooler feel hard done by, and why us, but it makes no difference really, all cogs in a very big and unstable wheel. Give me the good old days! I would have them back tomorrow ! rhinestine

10:27pm Tue 7 Aug 12

CM1 says...

Yep, that is a reasonable summary. However, even if the standard of play is not great and I lose interest in the game of rugby, the one thing I will always do is to check my club's results, because it is my club.
Yep, that is a reasonable summary. However, even if the standard of play is not great and I lose interest in the game of rugby, the one thing I will always do is to check my club's results, because it is my club. CM1

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