Osborne has learned nothing

First published in Letters

BEFORE taking power in 2010 Osborne told us “we will safeguard Britain’s credit rating with a credible plan to eliminate the bulk of the structural deficit over a Parliament”.

With the loss of our triple AAA credit rating it is clear that Osborne’s plan A has spectrally failed and his attempts to blame others for his chronic failures are fooling no-one. Osborne inherited an economy, which was recovering, albeit slowly, but the combination of a 2.5% VAT rise, resulting in a £12bn blow to consumer spending, (knocking almost 1% off gross domestic product per annum) and the impact of his austerity programme has stopped the recovery in its tracks. We are all suffering from wages which are not keeping up with the cost of living, a national debt that has gone up from £811 billion to £1.1 trillion and rising. Osborne has learned nothing from his past mistakes and is determined to carry on with the failed monetarist policy of 1920s and 1930s. Cllr Nigel Dix Blackwood

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4:33pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Llanmartinangel says...

'Osbourne inherited an economy that was recovering'??? That's why Liam Byrne, departing Labour treasury minister, left his successor a note saying 'all the money has gone' is it? Christ, you guys really have a nerve eh. And that's leaving aside the interest on the debt you left the country with, the massively increased working age benefit bill you created to buy yourselves support and the war no-one wanted which we are all still paying for. Stick your massive immigration miscalculation on top of that lot and Osbourne has his work cut out. Nice try though.
'Osbourne inherited an economy that was recovering'??? That's why Liam Byrne, departing Labour treasury minister, left his successor a note saying 'all the money has gone' is it? Christ, you guys really have a nerve eh. And that's leaving aside the interest on the debt you left the country with, the massively increased working age benefit bill you created to buy yourselves support and the war no-one wanted which we are all still paying for. Stick your massive immigration miscalculation on top of that lot and Osbourne has his work cut out. Nice try though. Llanmartinangel
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7:08pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Howie' says...

'Osbourne inherited an economy that was recovering'??? Yep, after bailing the banks out the economy was growing by 1.2% in the previous quarter before the election.

Gotta love that Liam Byrne wind up, still gets the Tory's spitting blood nearly 3 years on.

People are now learning the real reason of how and why the country fell into so much debt,and they are finding out the true facts like Labour's spending as a percentage of GDP was well below the levels of the previous Conservative government right up until 2008 when our economy along with the rest of the worlds economies fell off a global cliff and then the fiscal stimulus ( the debt ) that was flooded into the economy by Gordon Brown and the Labour government to promote growth and to make sure that the country did not close down with massive unemployment like Greece and Spain,and no matter what you think they pulled it off.

Do not forget that David Cameron and George Osborne gave their full backing to it all,and said that they would match Labours borrowing and spending plans to boost the economy,which they seem to have forgotten all about by 2010 and hoped you had to, and they do not under any circumstances want you to remember that Gordon, with Ed Balls as his number two, kept us out of the euro, delivered the longest period of sustainable economic growth in modern times and kept interest rates low whilst rebuilding neglected schools and investing in an NHS which the Tory's had left to wither on the vine.

As for the war that nobody wanted, the Tory's were behind Blair and cheering the loudest, if it hadn't been for Tory support it is unlikely Blair would have been able to support George Bush in his adventure into Iraq.
'Osbourne inherited an economy that was recovering'??? Yep, after bailing the banks out the economy was growing by 1.2% in the previous quarter before the election. Gotta love that Liam Byrne wind up, still gets the Tory's spitting blood nearly 3 years on. People are now learning the real reason of how and why the country fell into so much debt,and they are finding out the true facts like Labour's spending as a percentage of GDP was well below the levels of the previous Conservative government right up until 2008 when our economy along with the rest of the worlds economies fell off a global cliff and then the fiscal stimulus ( the debt ) that was flooded into the economy by Gordon Brown and the Labour government to promote growth and to make sure that the country did not close down with massive unemployment like Greece and Spain,and no matter what you think they pulled it off. Do not forget that David Cameron and George Osborne gave their full backing to it all,and said that they would match Labours borrowing and spending plans to boost the economy,which they seem to have forgotten all about by 2010 and hoped you had to, and they do not under any circumstances want you to remember that Gordon, with Ed Balls as his number two, kept us out of the euro, delivered the longest period of sustainable economic growth in modern times and kept interest rates low whilst rebuilding neglected schools and investing in an NHS which the Tory's had left to wither on the vine. As for the war that nobody wanted, the Tory's were behind Blair and cheering the loudest, if it hadn't been for Tory support it is unlikely Blair would have been able to support George Bush in his adventure into Iraq. Howie'
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8:08pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Mervyn James says...

Not everything was down to the labour government, bankers and Europe didn't exactly help either. How about Regan and 'that woman' ? let's have some balance.... Europe is crippling us, if we don't leave soon we are finished, and Newport becomes the new capital of Poland..
Not everything was down to the labour government, bankers and Europe didn't exactly help either. How about Regan and 'that woman' ? let's have some balance.... Europe is crippling us, if we don't leave soon we are finished, and Newport becomes the new capital of Poland.. Mervyn James
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9:34am Fri 1 Mar 13

Howie' says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Not everything was down to the labour government, bankers and Europe didn't exactly help either. How about Regan and 'that woman' ? let's have some balance.... Europe is crippling us, if we don't leave soon we are finished, and Newport becomes the new capital of Poland..
I think people are starting to wake up to the lies that we have been drip fed by an intellectually bereft Tory led Government and their attack dogs in the right wing press. We are continuously told that (ingenuously) it's all the fault of the Labour Government/ the poor/ the disabled/ unemployed and uncle Tom Cobbly....in fact just don't blame this Government who are running our country in to the ground or the bankers that caused the crisis in the first place.

Maria Hutchings the Tory candidate in Eastleigh looked visibly shocked that the ungrateful voters did not vote for her, which I guess just shows how far removed from reality the Tory's are.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Not everything was down to the labour government, bankers and Europe didn't exactly help either. How about Regan and 'that woman' ? let's have some balance.... Europe is crippling us, if we don't leave soon we are finished, and Newport becomes the new capital of Poland..[/p][/quote]I think people are starting to wake up to the lies that we have been drip fed by an intellectually bereft Tory led Government and their attack dogs in the right wing press. We are continuously told that (ingenuously) it's all the fault of the Labour Government/ the poor/ the disabled/ unemployed and uncle Tom Cobbly....in fact just don't blame this Government who are running our country in to the ground or the bankers that caused the crisis in the first place. Maria Hutchings the Tory candidate in Eastleigh looked visibly shocked that the ungrateful voters did not vote for her, which I guess just shows how far removed from reality the Tory's are. Howie'
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11:47am Fri 1 Mar 13

Llanmartinangel says...

Howie' wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Not everything was down to the labour government, bankers and Europe didn't exactly help either. How about Regan and 'that woman' ? let's have some balance.... Europe is crippling us, if we don't leave soon we are finished, and Newport becomes the new capital of Poland..
I think people are starting to wake up to the lies that we have been drip fed by an intellectually bereft Tory led Government and their attack dogs in the right wing press. We are continuously told that (ingenuously) it's all the fault of the Labour Government/ the poor/ the disabled/ unemployed and uncle Tom Cobbly....in fact just don't blame this Government who are running our country in to the ground or the bankers that caused the crisis in the first place.

Maria Hutchings the Tory candidate in Eastleigh looked visibly shocked that the ungrateful voters did not vote for her, which I guess just shows how far removed from reality the Tory's are.
That'll be why Labour came in fourth then behind three parties you would class as right wing. Leave it out. How good you socialists are at rewriting history. The banks who funded Brown's largesse (massively bloated civil service/public sector and welfare spending/uncontrolle
d immigration) and to which he turned a convenient blind eye, became the sole cause of all our ills. Why? Because the tax take suddenly couldn't support a huge benefit and public sector wage bill. Result £4 going out for every £3 coming in. And in 2008, most of the west wasn't in recession, now only Germany and Canada ain't. As for Byrne's note, not a joke, stating the ble*ding obvious. It's why Labour lost.
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Not everything was down to the labour government, bankers and Europe didn't exactly help either. How about Regan and 'that woman' ? let's have some balance.... Europe is crippling us, if we don't leave soon we are finished, and Newport becomes the new capital of Poland..[/p][/quote]I think people are starting to wake up to the lies that we have been drip fed by an intellectually bereft Tory led Government and their attack dogs in the right wing press. We are continuously told that (ingenuously) it's all the fault of the Labour Government/ the poor/ the disabled/ unemployed and uncle Tom Cobbly....in fact just don't blame this Government who are running our country in to the ground or the bankers that caused the crisis in the first place. Maria Hutchings the Tory candidate in Eastleigh looked visibly shocked that the ungrateful voters did not vote for her, which I guess just shows how far removed from reality the Tory's are.[/p][/quote]That'll be why Labour came in fourth then behind three parties you would class as right wing. Leave it out. How good you socialists are at rewriting history. The banks who funded Brown's largesse (massively bloated civil service/public sector and welfare spending/uncontrolle d immigration) and to which he turned a convenient blind eye, became the sole cause of all our ills. Why? Because the tax take suddenly couldn't support a huge benefit and public sector wage bill. Result £4 going out for every £3 coming in. And in 2008, most of the west wasn't in recession, now only Germany and Canada ain't. As for Byrne's note, not a joke, stating the ble*ding obvious. It's why Labour lost. Llanmartinangel
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1:15pm Fri 1 Mar 13

Howie' says...

'The banks who funded Brown's largesse (massively bloated civil service/public sector and welfare spending/uncontrolle
d
immigration) and to which he turned a convenient blind eye, became the sole cause of all our ills. Haha, now who's rewriting history. It's too late Martin, the voters have seen through the 'Nasty Party' and they don't like what they are seeing.

When the global economic crisis hit us in 2008, Brown stopped the UK from going into a devastating depression and saved up to 500,000 jobs and businesses from going under by saving the banks.

You could argue whether the stimulus was the correct path to take but at least it did achieve what the country needed most and that was growth, unlike George Osbornes now ten years austerity plan, but for the Tories to constantly peddle the lie that either Gordon Brown or the Labour Party were spend happy is nonsense.
Mr Osborne is in fact borrowing more than Labour ever did while contracting the economy which is a far more dangerous fiscal game of playing Russian roulette at the expense of every family in the UK.

Labour came in the same position it did in General Election with a slightly higher percentage of the vote, the Tory's slipped from second in 2010 when they had 21,102 votes to 10,559 with the same candidate, a loss of 50% of their voters. I wonder why that was? answers on a postcard! Even that well known tax avoider, Tory supporter and donor, Lord Cashcroft, has realised that donating more money to this bunch of incompetents is a waste of time.
'The banks who funded Brown's largesse (massively bloated civil service/public sector and welfare spending/uncontrolle d immigration) and to which he turned a convenient blind eye, became the sole cause of all our ills. Haha, now who's rewriting history. It's too late Martin, the voters have seen through the 'Nasty Party' and they don't like what they are seeing. When the global economic crisis hit us in 2008, Brown stopped the UK from going into a devastating depression and saved up to 500,000 jobs and businesses from going under by saving the banks. You could argue whether the stimulus was the correct path to take but at least it did achieve what the country needed most and that was growth, unlike George Osbornes now ten years austerity plan, but for the Tories to constantly peddle the lie that either Gordon Brown or the Labour Party were spend happy is nonsense. Mr Osborne is in fact borrowing more than Labour ever did while contracting the economy which is a far more dangerous fiscal game of playing Russian roulette at the expense of every family in the UK. Labour came in the same position it did in General Election with a slightly higher percentage of the vote, the Tory's slipped from second in 2010 when they had 21,102 votes to 10,559 with the same candidate, a loss of 50% of their voters. I wonder why that was? answers on a postcard! Even that well known tax avoider, Tory supporter and donor, Lord Cashcroft, has realised that donating more money to this bunch of incompetents is a waste of time. Howie'
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3:01pm Fri 1 Mar 13

welshmen says...

sounds like most of you who posted here are Labour or Liberal, making your excuses so you and yours can vote for more of the same when it's time to listen to the three main lying Parties, the three of them couldn't make a profit running a pub, even if the beer they sell was free stock, time to change or sink, i hope UKIP get into power at least we will be rid of the European Union and send the job stealers and housing benefactor's back home....Who was it that sold our Gold and lost enough Money to build ten Hospitals? mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
sounds like most of you who posted here are Labour or Liberal, making your excuses so you and yours can vote for more of the same when it's time to listen to the three main lying Parties, the three of them couldn't make a profit running a pub, even if the beer they sell was free stock, time to change or sink, i hope UKIP get into power at least we will be rid of the European Union and send the job stealers and housing benefactor's back home....Who was it that sold our Gold and lost enough Money to build ten Hospitals? mmmmmmmmmmmmmm welshmen
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3:55pm Fri 1 Mar 13

Llanmartinangel says...

Howie' wrote:
'The banks who funded Brown's largesse (massively bloated civil service/public sector and welfare spending/uncontrolle

d
immigration) and to which he turned a convenient blind eye, became the sole cause of all our ills. Haha, now who's rewriting history. It's too late Martin, the voters have seen through the 'Nasty Party' and they don't like what they are seeing.

When the global economic crisis hit us in 2008, Brown stopped the UK from going into a devastating depression and saved up to 500,000 jobs and businesses from going under by saving the banks.

You could argue whether the stimulus was the correct path to take but at least it did achieve what the country needed most and that was growth, unlike George Osbornes now ten years austerity plan, but for the Tories to constantly peddle the lie that either Gordon Brown or the Labour Party were spend happy is nonsense.
Mr Osborne is in fact borrowing more than Labour ever did while contracting the economy which is a far more dangerous fiscal game of playing Russian roulette at the expense of every family in the UK.

Labour came in the same position it did in General Election with a slightly higher percentage of the vote, the Tory's slipped from second in 2010 when they had 21,102 votes to 10,559 with the same candidate, a loss of 50% of their voters. I wonder why that was? answers on a postcard! Even that well known tax avoider, Tory supporter and donor, Lord Cashcroft, has realised that donating more money to this bunch of incompetents is a waste of time.
If I was Ashcroft I wouldn't fund them either. If they'd show some Thatcherite cojones I might be tempted but not these cowards. It just riles me that somehow the band of jokers who preceded them suddenly have all the answers. Oh and on the Tory press, didn't Murdoch support Blair? And as for the 'nasty' party, how many innocent Iraqis did the nice party kill? And would anyone ever describe Brown, Balls, Cooper, Vaz, Livingston as nice? Doubt it Howie.
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: 'The banks who funded Brown's largesse (massively bloated civil service/public sector and welfare spending/uncontrolle d immigration) and to which he turned a convenient blind eye, became the sole cause of all our ills. Haha, now who's rewriting history. It's too late Martin, the voters have seen through the 'Nasty Party' and they don't like what they are seeing. When the global economic crisis hit us in 2008, Brown stopped the UK from going into a devastating depression and saved up to 500,000 jobs and businesses from going under by saving the banks. You could argue whether the stimulus was the correct path to take but at least it did achieve what the country needed most and that was growth, unlike George Osbornes now ten years austerity plan, but for the Tories to constantly peddle the lie that either Gordon Brown or the Labour Party were spend happy is nonsense. Mr Osborne is in fact borrowing more than Labour ever did while contracting the economy which is a far more dangerous fiscal game of playing Russian roulette at the expense of every family in the UK. Labour came in the same position it did in General Election with a slightly higher percentage of the vote, the Tory's slipped from second in 2010 when they had 21,102 votes to 10,559 with the same candidate, a loss of 50% of their voters. I wonder why that was? answers on a postcard! Even that well known tax avoider, Tory supporter and donor, Lord Cashcroft, has realised that donating more money to this bunch of incompetents is a waste of time.[/p][/quote]If I was Ashcroft I wouldn't fund them either. If they'd show some Thatcherite cojones I might be tempted but not these cowards. It just riles me that somehow the band of jokers who preceded them suddenly have all the answers. Oh and on the Tory press, didn't Murdoch support Blair? And as for the 'nasty' party, how many innocent Iraqis did the nice party kill? And would anyone ever describe Brown, Balls, Cooper, Vaz, Livingston as nice? Doubt it Howie. Llanmartinangel
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8:11pm Fri 1 Mar 13

Howie' says...

'It just riles me that somehow the band of jokers who preceded them suddenly have all the answers'.

I don't think anyone has claimed that, just pointing to historical facts that history from 2008-2010 is not as this Government would like you to believe.

'Oh and on the Tory press, didn't Murdoch support Blair?

He certainly did, just like Major and Maggie before him. I would never read the Sun and as I will not put a penny in Murdochs pocket I can not read the Times online so have no idea as to whether they are part of the campaign as the Mail, Telegraph and Express are.

'And as for the 'nasty' party, how many innocent Iraqis did the nice party kill?

Yes Blair with the support of the Tory's killed many people, servicemen/women and civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet Labour never turned the troops on unarmed British civilians as the Tory's did in Llanelli and Tonypandy and neither did they use the modern weapon of propaganda and disinformation propagated by a compliant right wing press to cause division in society.

And would anyone ever describe Brown, Balls, Cooper, Vaz, Livingston as nice? Doubt it Howie.

Aww come on now....lol.
'It just riles me that somehow the band of jokers who preceded them suddenly have all the answers'. I don't think anyone has claimed that, just pointing to historical facts that history from 2008-2010 is not as this Government would like you to believe. 'Oh and on the Tory press, didn't Murdoch support Blair? He certainly did, just like Major and Maggie before him. I would never read the Sun and as I will not put a penny in Murdochs pocket I can not read the Times online so have no idea as to whether they are part of the campaign as the Mail, Telegraph and Express are. 'And as for the 'nasty' party, how many innocent Iraqis did the nice party kill? Yes Blair with the support of the Tory's killed many people, servicemen/women and civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet Labour never turned the troops on unarmed British civilians as the Tory's did in Llanelli and Tonypandy and neither did they use the modern weapon of propaganda and disinformation propagated by a compliant right wing press to cause division in society. And would anyone ever describe Brown, Balls, Cooper, Vaz, Livingston as nice? Doubt it Howie. Aww come on now....lol. Howie'
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8:27pm Fri 1 Mar 13

Howie' says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Howie' wrote:
'The banks who funded Brown's largesse (massively bloated civil service/public sector and welfare spending/uncontrolle


d
immigration) and to which he turned a convenient blind eye, became the sole cause of all our ills. Haha, now who's rewriting history. It's too late Martin, the voters have seen through the 'Nasty Party' and they don't like what they are seeing.

When the global economic crisis hit us in 2008, Brown stopped the UK from going into a devastating depression and saved up to 500,000 jobs and businesses from going under by saving the banks.

You could argue whether the stimulus was the correct path to take but at least it did achieve what the country needed most and that was growth, unlike George Osbornes now ten years austerity plan, but for the Tories to constantly peddle the lie that either Gordon Brown or the Labour Party were spend happy is nonsense.
Mr Osborne is in fact borrowing more than Labour ever did while contracting the economy which is a far more dangerous fiscal game of playing Russian roulette at the expense of every family in the UK.

Labour came in the same position it did in General Election with a slightly higher percentage of the vote, the Tory's slipped from second in 2010 when they had 21,102 votes to 10,559 with the same candidate, a loss of 50% of their voters. I wonder why that was? answers on a postcard! Even that well known tax avoider, Tory supporter and donor, Lord Cashcroft, has realised that donating more money to this bunch of incompetents is a waste of time.
If I was Ashcroft I wouldn't fund them either. If they'd show some Thatcherite cojones I might be tempted but not these cowards. It just riles me that somehow the band of jokers who preceded them suddenly have all the answers. Oh and on the Tory press, didn't Murdoch support Blair? And as for the 'nasty' party, how many innocent Iraqis did the nice party kill? And would anyone ever describe Brown, Balls, Cooper, Vaz, Livingston as nice? Doubt it Howie.
'If I was Ashcroft I wouldn't fund them either. If they'd show some Thatcherite cojones I might be tempted but not these cowards'.

I wish they would as well, that's what kept them out of power for 13 years.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: 'The banks who funded Brown's largesse (massively bloated civil service/public sector and welfare spending/uncontrolle d immigration) and to which he turned a convenient blind eye, became the sole cause of all our ills. Haha, now who's rewriting history. It's too late Martin, the voters have seen through the 'Nasty Party' and they don't like what they are seeing. When the global economic crisis hit us in 2008, Brown stopped the UK from going into a devastating depression and saved up to 500,000 jobs and businesses from going under by saving the banks. You could argue whether the stimulus was the correct path to take but at least it did achieve what the country needed most and that was growth, unlike George Osbornes now ten years austerity plan, but for the Tories to constantly peddle the lie that either Gordon Brown or the Labour Party were spend happy is nonsense. Mr Osborne is in fact borrowing more than Labour ever did while contracting the economy which is a far more dangerous fiscal game of playing Russian roulette at the expense of every family in the UK. Labour came in the same position it did in General Election with a slightly higher percentage of the vote, the Tory's slipped from second in 2010 when they had 21,102 votes to 10,559 with the same candidate, a loss of 50% of their voters. I wonder why that was? answers on a postcard! Even that well known tax avoider, Tory supporter and donor, Lord Cashcroft, has realised that donating more money to this bunch of incompetents is a waste of time.[/p][/quote]If I was Ashcroft I wouldn't fund them either. If they'd show some Thatcherite cojones I might be tempted but not these cowards. It just riles me that somehow the band of jokers who preceded them suddenly have all the answers. Oh and on the Tory press, didn't Murdoch support Blair? And as for the 'nasty' party, how many innocent Iraqis did the nice party kill? And would anyone ever describe Brown, Balls, Cooper, Vaz, Livingston as nice? Doubt it Howie.[/p][/quote]'If I was Ashcroft I wouldn't fund them either. If they'd show some Thatcherite cojones I might be tempted but not these cowards'. I wish they would as well, that's what kept them out of power for 13 years. Howie'
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10:34pm Fri 1 Mar 13

Llanmartinangel says...

And kept the Tories in for 13 so not sure what your point is. Given that UKIP now wear her clothes on immigration, crime & punishment, deporting terrorists, interpretation of the human rights act etc., its hard to explain their sudden popularity eh. Tonypandy?? 1910? Relevance to now? Unless you intend to invoke fear of Frenchies of course. They had Harold's eye out you know.
And kept the Tories in for 13 so not sure what your point is. Given that UKIP now wear her clothes on immigration, crime & punishment, deporting terrorists, interpretation of the human rights act etc., its hard to explain their sudden popularity eh. Tonypandy?? 1910? Relevance to now? Unless you intend to invoke fear of Frenchies of course. They had Harold's eye out you know. Llanmartinangel
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