Ducking issue

I WONDER is Stu Vigus the back or the front of the Labourite pro-capitalist pantomime horse? He plods around the letters page with an inane personal attack on myself (based on a total ignorance of anarchism) and like Mike Gough ducks the issue in question, namely the Con/Dem government’s “austerity” cuts passed on to the good people of Torfaen by a shower of councillors who are supposed to have a duty of care towards the people who elected them!

I can only presume Stu Vigus sees nothing wrong in making the most vulnerable in the borough pay for the greed of corporations or speculating bankers? The lack of empathy is worrying!

As for the bye-election, as an anarchist I believe in empowering the individual through direct democracy, both in the community and workplace.

The reason ‘Member: Anarchist Federation/IWW’ does not appear next to my signature is that the editor does not print it.

Terry Banfield Cardigan Crescent Cwmbran

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12:48pm Wed 4 Dec 13

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Oh, so the editor DOES censor reader content? Because just the other day, he was saying he didn't do that.
Oh, so the editor DOES censor reader content? Because just the other day, he was saying he didn't do that. GardenVarietyMushroom

1:58pm Wed 4 Dec 13

whatintheworld says...

if i put "arch-bishop of the moon" in my signature, it wouldn't suprise me if it were removed. i'm happy to have just a name and street name.

regarding local councils going through with westminster cuts - what choice do they have?

the government is giving local authorities more power and control over budgets.

this sounds great for representation, but in reality it means that the gov. can distance itself from some of the cuts made.
if i put "arch-bishop of the moon" in my signature, it wouldn't suprise me if it were removed. i'm happy to have just a name and street name. regarding local councils going through with westminster cuts - what choice do they have? the government is giving local authorities more power and control over budgets. this sounds great for representation, but in reality it means that the gov. can distance itself from some of the cuts made. whatintheworld

2:11pm Wed 4 Dec 13

county mad says...

When councillors vote for increases in allowances and then turn out blocks of street lights to psy for it some pro labour clown blames the lib-cons wake up sheeple vote for proper local representation not political featherbedders
When councillors vote for increases in allowances and then turn out blocks of street lights to psy for it some pro labour clown blames the lib-cons wake up sheeple vote for proper local representation not political featherbedders county mad

3:29pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Stevenboy says...

'as an anarchist I believe in empowering the individual through direct democracy, both in the community and workplace'.

Could someone translate that line from Citizen Smith for me please? The closest I've got so far is 'I'm clearly far more clued up than you lot and that's why the whole world is coming around to my point of view' ('err, it is isn't it? Well I'm sure it is going to any time soon').
'as an anarchist I believe in empowering the individual through direct democracy, both in the community and workplace'. Could someone translate that line from Citizen Smith for me please? The closest I've got so far is 'I'm clearly far more clued up than you lot and that's why the whole world is coming around to my point of view' ('err, it is isn't it? Well I'm sure it is going to any time soon'). Stevenboy

3:48pm Wed 4 Dec 13

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Stevenboy wrote:
'as an anarchist I believe in empowering the individual through direct democracy, both in the community and workplace'.

Could someone translate that line from Citizen Smith for me please? The closest I've got so far is 'I'm clearly far more clued up than you lot and that's why the whole world is coming around to my point of view' ('err, it is isn't it? Well I'm sure it is going to any time soon').
Citizen Smith was a socialist - not an anarchist.

Idiot.

And to answer your question, broadly speaking it means that anarchists don't advocate electing representitives to look after their political interests, and they don't agree with bosses in the workplace deciding what's best for everyone.

They'd much rather people took their own decisions instead of other people doing it for them.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: 'as an anarchist I believe in empowering the individual through direct democracy, both in the community and workplace'. Could someone translate that line from Citizen Smith for me please? The closest I've got so far is 'I'm clearly far more clued up than you lot and that's why the whole world is coming around to my point of view' ('err, it is isn't it? Well I'm sure it is going to any time soon').[/p][/quote]Citizen Smith was a socialist - not an anarchist. Idiot. And to answer your question, broadly speaking it means that anarchists don't advocate electing representitives to look after their political interests, and they don't agree with bosses in the workplace deciding what's best for everyone. They'd much rather people took their own decisions instead of other people doing it for them. HTH GardenVarietyMushroom

4:26pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Llanmartinangel says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Stevenboy wrote:
'as an anarchist I believe in empowering the individual through direct democracy, both in the community and workplace'.

Could someone translate that line from Citizen Smith for me please? The closest I've got so far is 'I'm clearly far more clued up than you lot and that's why the whole world is coming around to my point of view' ('err, it is isn't it? Well I'm sure it is going to any time soon').
Citizen Smith was a socialist - not an anarchist.

Idiot.

And to answer your question, broadly speaking it means that anarchists don't advocate electing representitives to look after their political interests, and they don't agree with bosses in the workplace deciding what's best for everyone.

They'd much rather people took their own decisions instead of other people doing it for them.

HTH
Citizen Smith was a comedy figure, a bit like the author of the letter. Now, take a look at the thread about the child with the broken leg and ask yourself if everyone should be equal in decision taking. It's funny how no-one addresses Steven's point that this nirvana of Mr Banfield's only exists in fantasies and nowhere in reality.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: 'as an anarchist I believe in empowering the individual through direct democracy, both in the community and workplace'. Could someone translate that line from Citizen Smith for me please? The closest I've got so far is 'I'm clearly far more clued up than you lot and that's why the whole world is coming around to my point of view' ('err, it is isn't it? Well I'm sure it is going to any time soon').[/p][/quote]Citizen Smith was a socialist - not an anarchist. Idiot. And to answer your question, broadly speaking it means that anarchists don't advocate electing representitives to look after their political interests, and they don't agree with bosses in the workplace deciding what's best for everyone. They'd much rather people took their own decisions instead of other people doing it for them. HTH[/p][/quote]Citizen Smith was a comedy figure, a bit like the author of the letter. Now, take a look at the thread about the child with the broken leg and ask yourself if everyone should be equal in decision taking. It's funny how no-one addresses Steven's point that this nirvana of Mr Banfield's only exists in fantasies and nowhere in reality. Llanmartinangel

5:58pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Stevenboy says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Stevenboy wrote:
'as an anarchist I believe in empowering the individual through direct democracy, both in the community and workplace'.

Could someone translate that line from Citizen Smith for me please? The closest I've got so far is 'I'm clearly far more clued up than you lot and that's why the whole world is coming around to my point of view' ('err, it is isn't it? Well I'm sure it is going to any time soon').
Citizen Smith was a socialist - not an anarchist.

Idiot.

And to answer your question, broadly speaking it means that anarchists don't advocate electing representitives to look after their political interests, and they don't agree with bosses in the workplace deciding what's best for everyone.

They'd much rather people took their own decisions instead of other people doing it for them.

HTH
'They'd much rather people took their own decisions instead of other people doing it for them'.

Does that mean 'power to the people'? That WAS Citizen Smith wasn't it? And as for people taking over the role of bosses, does that mean that the thirty or so people I employ to service my holiday homes, clean pools etc should be able to ignore what I say even though it's me that pays them out of my money? Like LMA says, the letter writer is a comedy figure. Enough said.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: 'as an anarchist I believe in empowering the individual through direct democracy, both in the community and workplace'. Could someone translate that line from Citizen Smith for me please? The closest I've got so far is 'I'm clearly far more clued up than you lot and that's why the whole world is coming around to my point of view' ('err, it is isn't it? Well I'm sure it is going to any time soon').[/p][/quote]Citizen Smith was a socialist - not an anarchist. Idiot. And to answer your question, broadly speaking it means that anarchists don't advocate electing representitives to look after their political interests, and they don't agree with bosses in the workplace deciding what's best for everyone. They'd much rather people took their own decisions instead of other people doing it for them. HTH[/p][/quote]'They'd much rather people took their own decisions instead of other people doing it for them'. Does that mean 'power to the people'? That WAS Citizen Smith wasn't it? And as for people taking over the role of bosses, does that mean that the thirty or so people I employ to service my holiday homes, clean pools etc should be able to ignore what I say even though it's me that pays them out of my money? Like LMA says, the letter writer is a comedy figure. Enough said. Stevenboy

6:34pm Wed 4 Dec 13

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Haha - I was wondering how long it would take you to weigh in.

I'm afraid to tell you - but it's you two who are wrong.

Firstly, although I disagree with your assessment of Mr. B as a comedy figure,even if it were the case, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. You only have to familiarise yourselves with the work of the two late great comedians, Bill Hicks and George Carlin, for example, to see how comedy can be used with devastating effect in the political arena.

Secondly, there have been numerous examples of anarchist societies and movements throughout history. In addition, there are many such collectives and movements existing in the world today - even in the UK. You don't even have to know that - just google it.

Actually, you're all part anarchist and don't even know it. Who you choose as a partner, or friends are both aspects of your life that are based pretty squarely on anarchist principles. As is, to a lesser extent, things like what you choose to do for a living, where you shop, what you buy, where you live, which route you take to work, what you teach your children. etc...etc... These are all things where you expect to have the right to choose for yourself, and may resent other people making these choices for you.

All anarchists want really, is the extension of that priciple for society as a whole, and be allowed to choose to live in a society based on mutual benefit and free agreement, instead of being oppressed, dominated and exploited, as we all are currently.

Don't see much wrong with that myself. Seems to me that the only people who would lose out in that scenario would be the ones doing the oppressing, dominating and exploiting.
Haha - I was wondering how long it would take you to weigh in. I'm afraid to tell you - but it's you two who are wrong. Firstly, although I disagree with your assessment of Mr. B as a comedy figure,even if it were the case, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. You only have to familiarise yourselves with the work of the two late great comedians, Bill Hicks and George Carlin, for example, to see how comedy can be used with devastating effect in the political arena. Secondly, there have been numerous examples of anarchist societies and movements throughout history. In addition, there are many such collectives and movements existing in the world today - even in the UK. You don't even have to know that - just google it. Actually, you're all part anarchist and don't even know it. Who you choose as a partner, or friends are both aspects of your life that are based pretty squarely on anarchist principles. As is, to a lesser extent, things like what you choose to do for a living, where you shop, what you buy, where you live, which route you take to work, what you teach your children. etc...etc... These are all things where you expect to have the right to choose for yourself, and may resent other people making these choices for you. All anarchists want really, is the extension of that priciple for society as a whole, and be allowed to choose to live in a society based on mutual benefit and free agreement, instead of being oppressed, dominated and exploited, as we all are currently. Don't see much wrong with that myself. Seems to me that the only people who would lose out in that scenario would be the ones doing the oppressing, dominating and exploiting. GardenVarietyMushroom

6:36pm Wed 4 Dec 13

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Stevenboy wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
Stevenboy wrote:
'as an anarchist I believe in empowering the individual through direct democracy, both in the community and workplace'.

Could someone translate that line from Citizen Smith for me please? The closest I've got so far is 'I'm clearly far more clued up than you lot and that's why the whole world is coming around to my point of view' ('err, it is isn't it? Well I'm sure it is going to any time soon').
Citizen Smith was a socialist - not an anarchist.

Idiot.

And to answer your question, broadly speaking it means that anarchists don't advocate electing representitives to look after their political interests, and they don't agree with bosses in the workplace deciding what's best for everyone.

They'd much rather people took their own decisions instead of other people doing it for them.

HTH
'They'd much rather people took their own decisions instead of other people doing it for them'.

Does that mean 'power to the people'? That WAS Citizen Smith wasn't it? And as for people taking over the role of bosses, does that mean that the thirty or so people I employ to service my holiday homes, clean pools etc should be able to ignore what I say even though it's me that pays them out of my money? Like LMA says, the letter writer is a comedy figure. Enough said.
Or, another way to look at it is, that those thirty people pay your wages, and would be much better off without you.
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: 'as an anarchist I believe in empowering the individual through direct democracy, both in the community and workplace'. Could someone translate that line from Citizen Smith for me please? The closest I've got so far is 'I'm clearly far more clued up than you lot and that's why the whole world is coming around to my point of view' ('err, it is isn't it? Well I'm sure it is going to any time soon').[/p][/quote]Citizen Smith was a socialist - not an anarchist. Idiot. And to answer your question, broadly speaking it means that anarchists don't advocate electing representitives to look after their political interests, and they don't agree with bosses in the workplace deciding what's best for everyone. They'd much rather people took their own decisions instead of other people doing it for them. HTH[/p][/quote]'They'd much rather people took their own decisions instead of other people doing it for them'. Does that mean 'power to the people'? That WAS Citizen Smith wasn't it? And as for people taking over the role of bosses, does that mean that the thirty or so people I employ to service my holiday homes, clean pools etc should be able to ignore what I say even though it's me that pays them out of my money? Like LMA says, the letter writer is a comedy figure. Enough said.[/p][/quote]Or, another way to look at it is, that those thirty people pay your wages, and would be much better off without you. GardenVarietyMushroom

6:38pm Wed 4 Dec 13

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Oops, first of the last two was aimed at LMA - forgot to quote.
Oops, first of the last two was aimed at LMA - forgot to quote. GardenVarietyMushroom

10:33am Thu 5 Dec 13

Llanmartinangel says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Haha - I was wondering how long it would take you to weigh in.

I'm afraid to tell you - but it's you two who are wrong.

Firstly, although I disagree with your assessment of Mr. B as a comedy figure,even if it were the case, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. You only have to familiarise yourselves with the work of the two late great comedians, Bill Hicks and George Carlin, for example, to see how comedy can be used with devastating effect in the political arena.

Secondly, there have been numerous examples of anarchist societies and movements throughout history. In addition, there are many such collectives and movements existing in the world today - even in the UK. You don't even have to know that - just google it.

Actually, you're all part anarchist and don't even know it. Who you choose as a partner, or friends are both aspects of your life that are based pretty squarely on anarchist principles. As is, to a lesser extent, things like what you choose to do for a living, where you shop, what you buy, where you live, which route you take to work, what you teach your children. etc...etc... These are all things where you expect to have the right to choose for yourself, and may resent other people making these choices for you.

All anarchists want really, is the extension of that priciple for society as a whole, and be allowed to choose to live in a society based on mutual benefit and free agreement, instead of being oppressed, dominated and exploited, as we all are currently.

Don't see much wrong with that myself. Seems to me that the only people who would lose out in that scenario would be the ones doing the oppressing, dominating and exploiting.
But things aren't ever going to be 'mutual' because human nature doesn't work like that. Your post is predicated on the theory that (a) everyone is capable of positive decision making, which they aren't (some can't make decisions on even how not to over-eat despite being morbidly obese) and (b) that everyone will put the same effort in as everyone else. They never will.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Haha - I was wondering how long it would take you to weigh in. I'm afraid to tell you - but it's you two who are wrong. Firstly, although I disagree with your assessment of Mr. B as a comedy figure,even if it were the case, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. You only have to familiarise yourselves with the work of the two late great comedians, Bill Hicks and George Carlin, for example, to see how comedy can be used with devastating effect in the political arena. Secondly, there have been numerous examples of anarchist societies and movements throughout history. In addition, there are many such collectives and movements existing in the world today - even in the UK. You don't even have to know that - just google it. Actually, you're all part anarchist and don't even know it. Who you choose as a partner, or friends are both aspects of your life that are based pretty squarely on anarchist principles. As is, to a lesser extent, things like what you choose to do for a living, where you shop, what you buy, where you live, which route you take to work, what you teach your children. etc...etc... These are all things where you expect to have the right to choose for yourself, and may resent other people making these choices for you. All anarchists want really, is the extension of that priciple for society as a whole, and be allowed to choose to live in a society based on mutual benefit and free agreement, instead of being oppressed, dominated and exploited, as we all are currently. Don't see much wrong with that myself. Seems to me that the only people who would lose out in that scenario would be the ones doing the oppressing, dominating and exploiting.[/p][/quote]But things aren't ever going to be 'mutual' because human nature doesn't work like that. Your post is predicated on the theory that (a) everyone is capable of positive decision making, which they aren't (some can't make decisions on even how not to over-eat despite being morbidly obese) and (b) that everyone will put the same effort in as everyone else. They never will. Llanmartinangel

11:35am Thu 5 Dec 13

_Bryan_ says...

As for the bye-election, as an anarchist I believe in empowering the individual through direct democracy, both in the community and workplace.
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Does that translate into English as "I won't stand for election because I don't want to suffer an embarrassing defeat"?
As for the bye-election, as an anarchist I believe in empowering the individual through direct democracy, both in the community and workplace. ------------ Does that translate into English as "I won't stand for election because I don't want to suffer an embarrassing defeat"? _Bryan_

4:31pm Thu 5 Dec 13

jimmytheone2 says...

I don't think the argus should be publishing letters from the anti-christ. It will offend a lot of religious people who believe in God. Don't give this evil man a platform, he'll poison our minds!
I don't think the argus should be publishing letters from the anti-christ. It will offend a lot of religious people who believe in God. Don't give this evil man a platform, he'll poison our minds! jimmytheone2

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