Not scroungers

ANN POYSER is clearly fed up with Europe making laws for Britain and to some extent I agree, however, what is right is right.

It is this country’s government that sets the unemployment benefit. So to, the social engineering that will see the displacement of the unemployed and disabled from their homes with the introduction of “bedroom tax”.

Not all unemployed people are scroungers and if Ms. Poyser has any idea of the cost of living she might consider even £138 minimum payment suggested by Europe to support a family in desperate times is hardly adequate.

M. M. Richards Aberthaw Road Newport

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3:19pm Wed 12 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

There's absolutely no way this government will introduce a welfare payment of £138. Wanna know why? Because once you deduct the current rate of benefits, income tax and national insurance, then £138 is more than someone earning the 'living' wage takes home.... and waaaaaaay more than someone earning minimum wage takes home.
There's absolutely no way this government will introduce a welfare payment of £138. Wanna know why? Because once you deduct the current rate of benefits, income tax and national insurance, then £138 is more than someone earning the 'living' wage takes home.... and waaaaaaay more than someone earning minimum wage takes home. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 40

3:21pm Wed 12 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 28

3:49pm Wed 12 Feb 14

welshmen says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.[/p][/quote]How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?.... welshmen
  • Score: -25

5:12pm Wed 12 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....
it's possible the 'mass demonstration' will be the general election.

From much commentary across the media, it seems the people are not anywhere near convinced all the austerity measures they have been subjected to have really worked.

Nor, I suspect, do they think the current utterances of the government are as veritable as claimed, far too many fear most of the hype is pure mendacity, and designed, as many have been stating over the last year, myself included, to be all over the news outlets as we head ever closer to that election, come 2015

As for £138 a week, I have friends in France who are appalled at the miserly state support for those amongst us who are out of work, ill or pensioned.
One friend pensioned, gets nearly 700 Euro's ( approx £600) per month, and that is his basic state pension.
His joint pension with his wife, who still works casually, is closer to 1000 per month.
Admittedly they get no 'top ups' except for some medical support, but still, why criticise the EU for wanting our benefits to rise.

The average Brit is almost totally ignorant of the EU, they rely on the spoutings of right wing rags that have an agenda that does not include being membership of the largest trading bloc in the world and as the current problems are resolved and things get back on course, the Daily Fail and the rest will without doubt step up their anti EU tirades, to the extent I see Farage and the UKIP losers getting their support to the detriment of the Tory party

Roll on 2015.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.[/p][/quote]How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....[/p][/quote]it's possible the 'mass demonstration' will be the general election. From much commentary across the media, it seems the people are not anywhere near convinced all the austerity measures they have been subjected to have really worked. Nor, I suspect, do they think the current utterances of the government are as veritable as claimed, far too many fear most of the hype is pure mendacity, and designed, as many have been stating over the last year, myself included, to be all over the news outlets as we head ever closer to that election, come 2015 As for £138 a week, I have friends in France who are appalled at the miserly state support for those amongst us who are out of work, ill or pensioned. One friend pensioned, gets nearly 700 Euro's ( approx £600) per month, and that is his basic state pension. His joint pension with his wife, who still works casually, is closer to 1000 per month. Admittedly they get no 'top ups' except for some medical support, but still, why criticise the EU for wanting our benefits to rise. The average Brit is almost totally ignorant of the EU, they rely on the spoutings of right wing rags that have an agenda that does not include being membership of the largest trading bloc in the world and as the current problems are resolved and things get back on course, the Daily Fail and the rest will without doubt step up their anti EU tirades, to the extent I see Farage and the UKIP losers getting their support to the detriment of the Tory party Roll on 2015. varteg1
  • Score: 10

5:14pm Wed 12 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....
it's possible the 'mass demonstration' will be the general election.

From much commentary across the media, it seems the people are not anywhere near convinced all the austerity measures they have been subjected to have really worked.

Nor, I suspect, do they think the current utterances of the government are as veritable as claimed, far too many fear most of the hype is pure mendacity, and designed, as many have been stating over the last year, myself included, to be all over the news outlets as we head ever closer to that election, come 2015

As for £138 a week, I have friends in France who are appalled at the miserly state support for those amongst us who are out of work, ill or pensioned.
One friend pensioned, gets nearly 700 Euro's ( approx £600) per month, and that is his basic state pension.
His joint pension with his wife, who still works casually, is closer to 1000 per month.
Admittedly they get no 'top ups' except for some medical support, but still, why criticise the EU for wanting our benefits to rise.

The average Brit is almost totally ignorant of the EU, they rely on the spoutings of right wing rags that have an agenda that does not include being membership of the largest trading bloc in the world and as the current problems are resolved and things get back on course, the Daily Fail and the rest will without doubt step up their anti EU tirades, to the extent I see Farage and the UKIP losers getting their support to the detriment of the Tory party

Roll on 2015.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.[/p][/quote]How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....[/p][/quote]it's possible the 'mass demonstration' will be the general election. From much commentary across the media, it seems the people are not anywhere near convinced all the austerity measures they have been subjected to have really worked. Nor, I suspect, do they think the current utterances of the government are as veritable as claimed, far too many fear most of the hype is pure mendacity, and designed, as many have been stating over the last year, myself included, to be all over the news outlets as we head ever closer to that election, come 2015 As for £138 a week, I have friends in France who are appalled at the miserly state support for those amongst us who are out of work, ill or pensioned. One friend pensioned, gets nearly 700 Euro's ( approx £600) per month, and that is his basic state pension. His joint pension with his wife, who still works casually, is closer to 1000 per month. Admittedly they get no 'top ups' except for some medical support, but still, why criticise the EU for wanting our benefits to rise. The average Brit is almost totally ignorant of the EU, they rely on the spoutings of right wing rags that have an agenda that does not include being membership of the largest trading bloc in the world and as the current problems are resolved and things get back on course, the Daily Fail and the rest will without doubt step up their anti EU tirades, to the extent I see Farage and the UKIP losers getting their support to the detriment of the Tory party Roll on 2015. varteg1
  • Score: -1

5:47pm Wed 12 Feb 14

welshannie says...

varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....
it's possible the 'mass demonstration' will be the general election.

From much commentary across the media, it seems the people are not anywhere near convinced all the austerity measures they have been subjected to have really worked.

Nor, I suspect, do they think the current utterances of the government are as veritable as claimed, far too many fear most of the hype is pure mendacity, and designed, as many have been stating over the last year, myself included, to be all over the news outlets as we head ever closer to that election, come 2015

As for £138 a week, I have friends in France who are appalled at the miserly state support for those amongst us who are out of work, ill or pensioned.
One friend pensioned, gets nearly 700 Euro's ( approx £600) per month, and that is his basic state pension.
His joint pension with his wife, who still works casually, is closer to 1000 per month.
Admittedly they get no 'top ups' except for some medical support, but still, why criticise the EU for wanting our benefits to rise.

The average Brit is almost totally ignorant of the EU, they rely on the spoutings of right wing rags that have an agenda that does not include being membership of the largest trading bloc in the world and as the current problems are resolved and things get back on course, the Daily Fail and the rest will without doubt step up their anti EU tirades, to the extent I see Farage and the UKIP losers getting their support to the detriment of the Tory party

Roll on 2015.
everyone seems to miss the point of my original letter which was to stress the fact that our rubbish coillition will be in no hurry to implement this as they intend to force people into slave labour jobs to benefit themselves and the rich 10percent of the population,Roll on 2015 lets vote them out.hopefully the bedroom tax will be gone by then anyway.And that theoretically they are in breech of european law
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.[/p][/quote]How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....[/p][/quote]it's possible the 'mass demonstration' will be the general election. From much commentary across the media, it seems the people are not anywhere near convinced all the austerity measures they have been subjected to have really worked. Nor, I suspect, do they think the current utterances of the government are as veritable as claimed, far too many fear most of the hype is pure mendacity, and designed, as many have been stating over the last year, myself included, to be all over the news outlets as we head ever closer to that election, come 2015 As for £138 a week, I have friends in France who are appalled at the miserly state support for those amongst us who are out of work, ill or pensioned. One friend pensioned, gets nearly 700 Euro's ( approx £600) per month, and that is his basic state pension. His joint pension with his wife, who still works casually, is closer to 1000 per month. Admittedly they get no 'top ups' except for some medical support, but still, why criticise the EU for wanting our benefits to rise. The average Brit is almost totally ignorant of the EU, they rely on the spoutings of right wing rags that have an agenda that does not include being membership of the largest trading bloc in the world and as the current problems are resolved and things get back on course, the Daily Fail and the rest will without doubt step up their anti EU tirades, to the extent I see Farage and the UKIP losers getting their support to the detriment of the Tory party Roll on 2015.[/p][/quote]everyone seems to miss the point of my original letter which was to stress the fact that our rubbish coillition will be in no hurry to implement this as they intend to force people into slave labour jobs to benefit themselves and the rich 10percent of the population,Roll on 2015 lets vote them out.hopefully the bedroom tax will be gone by then anyway.And that theoretically they are in breech of european law welshannie
  • Score: 13

8:02pm Wed 12 Feb 14

pwlldu says...

I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures. pwlldu
  • Score: 7

8:12pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.[/p][/quote]Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -19

9:49pm Wed 12 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....
Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed.

Like I said - it's on its last legs.

Going-going...ooh byebye.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.[/p][/quote]How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....[/p][/quote]Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed. Like I said - it's on its last legs. Going-going...ooh byebye. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 27

12:32am Thu 13 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

"The average Brit is almost totally ignorant of the EU, they rely on the spoutings of right wing rags that have an agenda that does not include being membership of the largest trading bloc in the world"

Your contempt for the 'average Brit' is noted, but not shared.

How dare the common man have an opinion on something which increasingly affects our day to day lives?... Whether it be mass, uncontrolled, immigration, thousands of homes flooded to appease bird watchers or the rather lacklustre service provided by our binmen, EU decisions and laws are being noticed by the British people.

Your only argument in favour I note is about trade. Why would we want to go to a car boot sale where we are forced to trade with our neighbours when we can trade with our cousins and the rest of the world through ebay? Why should the rules and regulations of some tinpot, unelected, car boot sale organiser affect trade within my own house ( which by the way is 90% of the total).

That is effectively what the common market is, a Brussels Berlin Wall which keeps 'foreign' trade out with huge tarifs. You have to buy from your neighbours, allow them into your house for as long as they like, feed clothe and educate them without a say so as to when they leave.

www.ukipnewport.com
"The average Brit is almost totally ignorant of the EU, they rely on the spoutings of right wing rags that have an agenda that does not include being membership of the largest trading bloc in the world" Your contempt for the 'average Brit' is noted, but not shared. How dare the common man have an opinion on something which increasingly affects our day to day lives?... Whether it be mass, uncontrolled, immigration, thousands of homes flooded to appease bird watchers or the rather lacklustre service provided by our binmen, EU decisions and laws are being noticed by the British people. Your only argument in favour I note is about trade. Why would we want to go to a car boot sale where we are forced to trade with our neighbours when we can trade with our cousins and the rest of the world through ebay? Why should the rules and regulations of some tinpot, unelected, car boot sale organiser affect trade within my own house ( which by the way is 90% of the total). That is effectively what the common market is, a Brussels Berlin Wall which keeps 'foreign' trade out with huge tarifs. You have to buy from your neighbours, allow them into your house for as long as they like, feed clothe and educate them without a say so as to when they leave. www.ukipnewport.com Spinflight
  • Score: -25

10:15am Thu 13 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

Spinflight wrote:
"The average Brit is almost totally ignorant of the EU, they rely on the spoutings of right wing rags that have an agenda that does not include being membership of the largest trading bloc in the world"

Your contempt for the 'average Brit' is noted, but not shared.

How dare the common man have an opinion on something which increasingly affects our day to day lives?... Whether it be mass, uncontrolled, immigration, thousands of homes flooded to appease bird watchers or the rather lacklustre service provided by our binmen, EU decisions and laws are being noticed by the British people.

Your only argument in favour I note is about trade. Why would we want to go to a car boot sale where we are forced to trade with our neighbours when we can trade with our cousins and the rest of the world through ebay? Why should the rules and regulations of some tinpot, unelected, car boot sale organiser affect trade within my own house ( which by the way is 90% of the total).

That is effectively what the common market is, a Brussels Berlin Wall which keeps 'foreign' trade out with huge tarifs. You have to buy from your neighbours, allow them into your house for as long as they like, feed clothe and educate them without a say so as to when they leave.

www.ukipnewport.com
You are obviously ignorant of what trade means in the very big world of capital.

The odd bit bought on e bay on a personal basis is insufficient to keep the roller coaster of a nations economic welfare on track.

The vast sums of money involved in international trade, you know, that stuff which e bay cannot deliver, Airbus 380, tanks, tankers, millions of barrels of oil etc, millions of tonnes of the stuff you shove down your throat three or more times a day, is what TRADE is, and we have the largest trading bloc on our doorstep, why would we be stupid enough to close our doors to that bloc in favour of trading with a much smaller group (with whom we already trade) and that include the USA ( around 15%), when our trade with the EU runs at over 50%( of our total world trade)?

I never denigrated the British, what I said was, in general they are ignorant, ( made so, deliberately, by successive governments), of the full implications of being members of the EU.

All th e blather about monetary union, created by the bankers and others in the field of manipulating the wealth of the nation, to the disadvantage of it's people, you and I, coupled to the almost fanatic, not to say frantic, outpourings of the anti immigration mob, is distraction methods to steer your mind from the facts that although we are major contributing partners in the EU, we are still being shafted for what little we own, as individuals, by those who believe quite fervently that every single penny you hold should by rights be theirs.
Making rather simplistic examples in an attempt to place your own individual circumstances against the overall commonwealth is to say the least pathetic and demonstrates the very ignorance I began with.
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: "The average Brit is almost totally ignorant of the EU, they rely on the spoutings of right wing rags that have an agenda that does not include being membership of the largest trading bloc in the world" Your contempt for the 'average Brit' is noted, but not shared. How dare the common man have an opinion on something which increasingly affects our day to day lives?... Whether it be mass, uncontrolled, immigration, thousands of homes flooded to appease bird watchers or the rather lacklustre service provided by our binmen, EU decisions and laws are being noticed by the British people. Your only argument in favour I note is about trade. Why would we want to go to a car boot sale where we are forced to trade with our neighbours when we can trade with our cousins and the rest of the world through ebay? Why should the rules and regulations of some tinpot, unelected, car boot sale organiser affect trade within my own house ( which by the way is 90% of the total). That is effectively what the common market is, a Brussels Berlin Wall which keeps 'foreign' trade out with huge tarifs. You have to buy from your neighbours, allow them into your house for as long as they like, feed clothe and educate them without a say so as to when they leave. www.ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]You are obviously ignorant of what trade means in the very big world of capital. The odd bit bought on e bay on a personal basis is insufficient to keep the roller coaster of a nations economic welfare on track. The vast sums of money involved in international trade, you know, that stuff which e bay cannot deliver, Airbus 380, tanks, tankers, millions of barrels of oil etc, millions of tonnes of the stuff you shove down your throat three or more times a day, is what TRADE is, and we have the largest trading bloc on our doorstep, why would we be stupid enough to close our doors to that bloc in favour of trading with a much smaller group (with whom we already trade) and that include the USA ( around 15%), when our trade with the EU runs at over 50%( of our total world trade)? I never denigrated the British, what I said was, in general they are ignorant, ( made so, deliberately, by successive governments), of the full implications of being members of the EU. All th e blather about monetary union, created by the bankers and others in the field of manipulating the wealth of the nation, to the disadvantage of it's people, you and I, coupled to the almost fanatic, not to say frantic, outpourings of the anti immigration mob, is distraction methods to steer your mind from the facts that although we are major contributing partners in the EU, we are still being shafted for what little we own, as individuals, by those who believe quite fervently that every single penny you hold should by rights be theirs. Making rather simplistic examples in an attempt to place your own individual circumstances against the overall commonwealth is to say the least pathetic and demonstrates the very ignorance I began with. varteg1
  • Score: 3

12:25pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Jimport says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.
Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.[/p][/quote]Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.[/p][/quote]Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case. Jimport
  • Score: 5

2:37pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Jimport wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.
Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.
And your point is? Otherwise it's the same Home Office, Foreign Office, Membership of EU, Foreign Policy, Central Bank, direct and indirect taxation, Armed Forces, Head of State, Prime Minister etc. Tinkering with a few rules here and there hardly constitutes UDI does it?
[quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.[/p][/quote]Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.[/p][/quote]Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.[/p][/quote]And your point is? Otherwise it's the same Home Office, Foreign Office, Membership of EU, Foreign Policy, Central Bank, direct and indirect taxation, Armed Forces, Head of State, Prime Minister etc. Tinkering with a few rules here and there hardly constitutes UDI does it? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -22

3:43pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Jimport says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.
Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.
And your point is? Otherwise it's the same Home Office, Foreign Office, Membership of EU, Foreign Policy, Central Bank, direct and indirect taxation, Armed Forces, Head of State, Prime Minister etc. Tinkering with a few rules here and there hardly constitutes UDI does it?
My point is that your assertion that there is no border is simplistic. Borders exist on different levels, their existence does not hinge on a unilateral declaration of independence. I think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.[/p][/quote]Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.[/p][/quote]Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.[/p][/quote]And your point is? Otherwise it's the same Home Office, Foreign Office, Membership of EU, Foreign Policy, Central Bank, direct and indirect taxation, Armed Forces, Head of State, Prime Minister etc. Tinkering with a few rules here and there hardly constitutes UDI does it?[/p][/quote]My point is that your assertion that there is no border is simplistic. Borders exist on different levels, their existence does not hinge on a unilateral declaration of independence. I think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term. Jimport
  • Score: 1

4:45pm Thu 13 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

.......... think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.......


I can agree in part, that is there is a border, more, borders, but not political ones as such, I would suggest a multiplicity of borders, most being bureaucratic in nature veneered with a layer of partisan difference that these days one would be hard put to to spot the divide.

Whilst giving Wales a block sum to disperse and dispense at the volition of the Assembly it obviates the perceived close similarities between us and our neighbours with small diversities such as free prescriptions or charging for plastic bags at the checkout.

Divide and rule has always been the game of the ruling elite, be they Royalty or bureaucratic, and giving cred to these small differences allows for picking at annoyingly small pimples when we should all focus on the major infection that blights us all.
.......... think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term....... I can agree in part, that is there is a border, more, borders, but not political ones as such, I would suggest a multiplicity of borders, most being bureaucratic in nature veneered with a layer of partisan difference that these days one would be hard put to to spot the divide. Whilst giving Wales a block sum to disperse and dispense at the volition of the Assembly it obviates the perceived close similarities between us and our neighbours with small diversities such as free prescriptions or charging for plastic bags at the checkout. Divide and rule has always been the game of the ruling elite, be they Royalty or bureaucratic, and giving cred to these small differences allows for picking at annoyingly small pimples when we should all focus on the major infection that blights us all. varteg1
  • Score: 6

5:00pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Jimport says...

varteg1 wrote:
.......... think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.......


I can agree in part, that is there is a border, more, borders, but not political ones as such, I would suggest a multiplicity of borders, most being bureaucratic in nature veneered with a layer of partisan difference that these days one would be hard put to to spot the divide.

Whilst giving Wales a block sum to disperse and dispense at the volition of the Assembly it obviates the perceived close similarities between us and our neighbours with small diversities such as free prescriptions or charging for plastic bags at the checkout.

Divide and rule has always been the game of the ruling elite, be they Royalty or bureaucratic, and giving cred to these small differences allows for picking at annoyingly small pimples when we should all focus on the major infection that blights us all.
That's fair enough, although I think all artificial borders are political, but I see your point that it is a matter of degree. UK law does assert the Wales/England border in legislation, eg. in the Welsh Language Act. My comment was mainly about the response to the comment about 'English governments' spoiling Wales: arguing against this by asserting that there is no England/Wales border wasn't a good argument to me. The pointing out the absence of an 'English government' is a much more effective response.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: .......... think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term....... I can agree in part, that is there is a border, more, borders, but not political ones as such, I would suggest a multiplicity of borders, most being bureaucratic in nature veneered with a layer of partisan difference that these days one would be hard put to to spot the divide. Whilst giving Wales a block sum to disperse and dispense at the volition of the Assembly it obviates the perceived close similarities between us and our neighbours with small diversities such as free prescriptions or charging for plastic bags at the checkout. Divide and rule has always been the game of the ruling elite, be they Royalty or bureaucratic, and giving cred to these small differences allows for picking at annoyingly small pimples when we should all focus on the major infection that blights us all.[/p][/quote]That's fair enough, although I think all artificial borders are political, but I see your point that it is a matter of degree. UK law does assert the Wales/England border in legislation, eg. in the Welsh Language Act. My comment was mainly about the response to the comment about 'English governments' spoiling Wales: arguing against this by asserting that there is no England/Wales border wasn't a good argument to me. The pointing out the absence of an 'English government' is a much more effective response. Jimport
  • Score: 0

5:00pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Jimport wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.
Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.
And your point is? Otherwise it's the same Home Office, Foreign Office, Membership of EU, Foreign Policy, Central Bank, direct and indirect taxation, Armed Forces, Head of State, Prime Minister etc. Tinkering with a few rules here and there hardly constitutes UDI does it?
My point is that your assertion that there is no border is simplistic. Borders exist on different levels, their existence does not hinge on a unilateral declaration of independence. I think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.
The imaginary border between Wales and England exists only because of the politicians and media types for whom the whole 'Welsh thing' is a cash cow. You only ever here Welsh politicians and TV people refer to the 'country' or 'nation'. For all the WAG's machinations and bloating of the public sector here, nothing much has improved for the citizens in thirty years. For the inhabitants of the WAG though, and BBC/S4C, it's a great earner. Trouble is it's cost the taxpayer £7B in thirteen years and the meter is still running.
[quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.[/p][/quote]Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.[/p][/quote]Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.[/p][/quote]And your point is? Otherwise it's the same Home Office, Foreign Office, Membership of EU, Foreign Policy, Central Bank, direct and indirect taxation, Armed Forces, Head of State, Prime Minister etc. Tinkering with a few rules here and there hardly constitutes UDI does it?[/p][/quote]My point is that your assertion that there is no border is simplistic. Borders exist on different levels, their existence does not hinge on a unilateral declaration of independence. I think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.[/p][/quote]The imaginary border between Wales and England exists only because of the politicians and media types for whom the whole 'Welsh thing' is a cash cow. You only ever here Welsh politicians and TV people refer to the 'country' or 'nation'. For all the WAG's machinations and bloating of the public sector here, nothing much has improved for the citizens in thirty years. For the inhabitants of the WAG though, and BBC/S4C, it's a great earner. Trouble is it's cost the taxpayer £7B in thirteen years and the meter is still running. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -20

10:10pm Thu 13 Feb 14

pwlldu says...

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.
Britain is in Europe Haven't you got it yet? England will soon be charging for carrier bags so stop complaining.
Llanmartinangel says... pwlldu wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures. Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border. Britain is in Europe Haven't you got it yet? England will soon be charging for carrier bags so stop complaining. pwlldu
  • Score: 0

10:12pm Thu 13 Feb 14

pwlldu says...

Well Jimport says...England will soon be charging for carrier bags so stop complaining.
Well Jimport says...England will soon be charging for carrier bags so stop complaining. pwlldu
  • Score: -2

11:36pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.
Britain is in Europe Haven't you got it yet? England will soon be charging for carrier bags so stop complaining.
I have no idea what that jibberish is about. I didn't mention carrier bags at all. Can't you grasp anything?
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel says... pwlldu wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures. Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border. Britain is in Europe Haven't you got it yet? England will soon be charging for carrier bags so stop complaining.[/p][/quote]I have no idea what that jibberish is about. I didn't mention carrier bags at all. Can't you grasp anything? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -19

12:48am Fri 14 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

varteg, I'll spell it out for you as you clearly didn't understand what was a simple analogy.

On ebay I can trade with anyone in the world easily and simply, at a car boot sale I can only trade with my neighbours.

Same with the EU and world trade. EU trade restrictions in the form of tarifs prevent us from trading with most of the world. This is why we export less to India than to Ireland. Ireland is at the car boot sale... India is not.

Hence the Brussels Berlin wall, keeps 'foreign' trade out by making it prohibitively expensive. Technically the EU is not a free trade zone or a common market, it is a customs union. South Africa and Swaziland have the same deal as Swaziland is landlocked.

"I never denigrated the British, what I said was, in general they are ignorant, ( made so, deliberately, by successive governments), of the full implications of being members of the EU. "

You just did so again. You claim 'they' are ignorant yet show your own ignorance and inability to understand a very simple concept.

I'll make it easier for you. Think on the car boot sale again, but where anyone from another town is charged a huge tax on the goods they would like to sell. Now the tin pot unelected little dictators who ran the car boot sale would claim that this is good because most of our trade is with our neighbours. They would claim it is free trade because it is free to trade if you live in the town.

Trouble is 90% of the market is from other towns, town like India, China, Australia and Canada - some of whom are our cousins.

The car boot sale might claim it is very successful, however all it does is to stifle competition and strangle trade with other towns.

This is the analogy I put above and I can't make it much simpler for you to understand...
varteg, I'll spell it out for you as you clearly didn't understand what was a simple analogy. On ebay I can trade with anyone in the world easily and simply, at a car boot sale I can only trade with my neighbours. Same with the EU and world trade. EU trade restrictions in the form of tarifs prevent us from trading with most of the world. This is why we export less to India than to Ireland. Ireland is at the car boot sale... India is not. Hence the Brussels Berlin wall, keeps 'foreign' trade out by making it prohibitively expensive. Technically the EU is not a free trade zone or a common market, it is a customs union. South Africa and Swaziland have the same deal as Swaziland is landlocked. "I never denigrated the British, what I said was, in general they are ignorant, ( made so, deliberately, by successive governments), of the full implications of being members of the EU. " You just did so again. You claim 'they' are ignorant yet show your own ignorance and inability to understand a very simple concept. I'll make it easier for you. Think on the car boot sale again, but where anyone from another town is charged a huge tax on the goods they would like to sell. Now the tin pot unelected little dictators who ran the car boot sale would claim that this is good because most of our trade is with our neighbours. They would claim it is free trade because it is free to trade if you live in the town. Trouble is 90% of the market is from other towns, town like India, China, Australia and Canada - some of whom are our cousins. The car boot sale might claim it is very successful, however all it does is to stifle competition and strangle trade with other towns. This is the analogy I put above and I can't make it much simpler for you to understand... Spinflight
  • Score: -31

10:04am Fri 14 Feb 14

Jimport says...

pwlldu wrote:
Well Jimport says...England will soon be charging for carrier bags so stop complaining.
No I didn't.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Well Jimport says...England will soon be charging for carrier bags so stop complaining.[/p][/quote]No I didn't. Jimport
  • Score: -3

10:26am Fri 14 Feb 14

Jimport says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.
Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.
And your point is? Otherwise it's the same Home Office, Foreign Office, Membership of EU, Foreign Policy, Central Bank, direct and indirect taxation, Armed Forces, Head of State, Prime Minister etc. Tinkering with a few rules here and there hardly constitutes UDI does it?
My point is that your assertion that there is no border is simplistic. Borders exist on different levels, their existence does not hinge on a unilateral declaration of independence. I think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.
The imaginary border between Wales and England exists only because of the politicians and media types for whom the whole 'Welsh thing' is a cash cow. You only ever here Welsh politicians and TV people refer to the 'country' or 'nation'. For all the WAG's machinations and bloating of the public sector here, nothing much has improved for the citizens in thirty years. For the inhabitants of the WAG though, and BBC/S4C, it's a great earner. Trouble is it's cost the taxpayer £7B in thirteen years and the meter is still running.
Aren't all borders imaginary and politically-construc
ted though? I'm pretty sure the Wales/England border pre-dates the Assembly referendum. I just think you're being selective about which borders you recognise as legitimate and which you don't, whereas if you applied your criteria to all borders then they all appear rather arbitrary.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.[/p][/quote]Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.[/p][/quote]Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.[/p][/quote]And your point is? Otherwise it's the same Home Office, Foreign Office, Membership of EU, Foreign Policy, Central Bank, direct and indirect taxation, Armed Forces, Head of State, Prime Minister etc. Tinkering with a few rules here and there hardly constitutes UDI does it?[/p][/quote]My point is that your assertion that there is no border is simplistic. Borders exist on different levels, their existence does not hinge on a unilateral declaration of independence. I think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.[/p][/quote]The imaginary border between Wales and England exists only because of the politicians and media types for whom the whole 'Welsh thing' is a cash cow. You only ever here Welsh politicians and TV people refer to the 'country' or 'nation'. For all the WAG's machinations and bloating of the public sector here, nothing much has improved for the citizens in thirty years. For the inhabitants of the WAG though, and BBC/S4C, it's a great earner. Trouble is it's cost the taxpayer £7B in thirteen years and the meter is still running.[/p][/quote]Aren't all borders imaginary and politically-construc ted though? I'm pretty sure the Wales/England border pre-dates the Assembly referendum. I just think you're being selective about which borders you recognise as legitimate and which you don't, whereas if you applied your criteria to all borders then they all appear rather arbitrary. Jimport
  • Score: -3

10:44am Fri 14 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Jimport wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.
Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.
And your point is? Otherwise it's the same Home Office, Foreign Office, Membership of EU, Foreign Policy, Central Bank, direct and indirect taxation, Armed Forces, Head of State, Prime Minister etc. Tinkering with a few rules here and there hardly constitutes UDI does it?
My point is that your assertion that there is no border is simplistic. Borders exist on different levels, their existence does not hinge on a unilateral declaration of independence. I think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.
The imaginary border between Wales and England exists only because of the politicians and media types for whom the whole 'Welsh thing' is a cash cow. You only ever here Welsh politicians and TV people refer to the 'country' or 'nation'. For all the WAG's machinations and bloating of the public sector here, nothing much has improved for the citizens in thirty years. For the inhabitants of the WAG though, and BBC/S4C, it's a great earner. Trouble is it's cost the taxpayer £7B in thirteen years and the meter is still running.
Aren't all borders imaginary and politically-construc

ted though? I'm pretty sure the Wales/England border pre-dates the Assembly referendum. I just think you're being selective about which borders you recognise as legitimate and which you don't, whereas if you applied your criteria to all borders then they all appear rather arbitrary.
My point, which you seem to be missing, is that to most people it is entirely irrelevant but spoken about by politicos and a few other vested interests as though it's the Berlin Wall. Crossing the Severn Bridge has no discernible significance whereas crossing from South to North Korea does.
[quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.[/p][/quote]Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.[/p][/quote]Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.[/p][/quote]And your point is? Otherwise it's the same Home Office, Foreign Office, Membership of EU, Foreign Policy, Central Bank, direct and indirect taxation, Armed Forces, Head of State, Prime Minister etc. Tinkering with a few rules here and there hardly constitutes UDI does it?[/p][/quote]My point is that your assertion that there is no border is simplistic. Borders exist on different levels, their existence does not hinge on a unilateral declaration of independence. I think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.[/p][/quote]The imaginary border between Wales and England exists only because of the politicians and media types for whom the whole 'Welsh thing' is a cash cow. You only ever here Welsh politicians and TV people refer to the 'country' or 'nation'. For all the WAG's machinations and bloating of the public sector here, nothing much has improved for the citizens in thirty years. For the inhabitants of the WAG though, and BBC/S4C, it's a great earner. Trouble is it's cost the taxpayer £7B in thirteen years and the meter is still running.[/p][/quote]Aren't all borders imaginary and politically-construc ted though? I'm pretty sure the Wales/England border pre-dates the Assembly referendum. I just think you're being selective about which borders you recognise as legitimate and which you don't, whereas if you applied your criteria to all borders then they all appear rather arbitrary.[/p][/quote]My point, which you seem to be missing, is that to most people it is entirely irrelevant but spoken about by politicos and a few other vested interests as though it's the Berlin Wall. Crossing the Severn Bridge has no discernible significance whereas crossing from South to North Korea does. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -24

2:18pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....
Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed.

Like I said - it's on its last legs.

Going-going...ooh byebye.
Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.[/p][/quote]How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....[/p][/quote]Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed. Like I said - it's on its last legs. Going-going...ooh byebye.[/p][/quote]Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so Bobevans
  • Score: -28

2:19pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.
Britain is in Europe Haven't you got it yet? England will soon be charging for carrier bags so stop complaining.
I have no idea what that jibberish is about. I didn't mention carrier bags at all. Can't you grasp anything?
THen why has the WAG not done anything and revived steel making and coal in Wales. The buck with this stops with the WAG
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel says... pwlldu wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures. Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border. Britain is in Europe Haven't you got it yet? England will soon be charging for carrier bags so stop complaining.[/p][/quote]I have no idea what that jibberish is about. I didn't mention carrier bags at all. Can't you grasp anything?[/p][/quote]THen why has the WAG not done anything and revived steel making and coal in Wales. The buck with this stops with the WAG Bobevans
  • Score: -29

3:27pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Magor says...

There is no such thing as the "bedroom tax".Tax is what you pay not receive,so how can a cut in benefits be a tax?.
There is no such thing as the "bedroom tax".Tax is what you pay not receive,so how can a cut in benefits be a tax?. Magor
  • Score: -30

3:58pm Fri 14 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

Spinflight wrote:
varteg, I'll spell it out for you as you clearly didn't understand what was a simple analogy.

On ebay I can trade with anyone in the world easily and simply, at a car boot sale I can only trade with my neighbours.

Same with the EU and world trade. EU trade restrictions in the form of tarifs prevent us from trading with most of the world. This is why we export less to India than to Ireland. Ireland is at the car boot sale... India is not.

Hence the Brussels Berlin wall, keeps 'foreign' trade out by making it prohibitively expensive. Technically the EU is not a free trade zone or a common market, it is a customs union. South Africa and Swaziland have the same deal as Swaziland is landlocked.

"I never denigrated the British, what I said was, in general they are ignorant, ( made so, deliberately, by successive governments), of the full implications of being members of the EU. "

You just did so again. You claim 'they' are ignorant yet show your own ignorance and inability to understand a very simple concept.

I'll make it easier for you. Think on the car boot sale again, but where anyone from another town is charged a huge tax on the goods they would like to sell. Now the tin pot unelected little dictators who ran the car boot sale would claim that this is good because most of our trade is with our neighbours. They would claim it is free trade because it is free to trade if you live in the town.

Trouble is 90% of the market is from other towns, town like India, China, Australia and Canada - some of whom are our cousins.

The car boot sale might claim it is very successful, however all it does is to stifle competition and strangle trade with other towns.

This is the analogy I put above and I can't make it much simpler for you to understand...
Let me explain a simple thing to you....


When making a comment such as the British are ignorant...I qualified it with the words that followed.

Also calling some ignorant does not mean to say they are unintelligent, you take on as though that is what I stated.

I would guess that the majority of Brits have not a clue about DNA strcuture, therefore they are ignorant of what that science is all about, the same with the EU, they have a generalised suface knowledge, but in detailed terms they are IGNORANT, and even though they may have elevated intelligence, because there has been little real exposure of the facts and features of the complicated structure of the EU, due mainly because successive governments have failed to thoroughly educate the mass, the mass remains in the dark,... i.e. they are Ignorant.

Dealin g with individual firms on e bay may be in your eyes, some sort of freewheeling economic freedom, but as stated, it contributes a tiny amount to overall trade when items ordered manufactured, and delivered at costs of multi hundreds of millions of Pounds are concerned. A state economy the size of the UK's would not even tick over using the likes of e bay.

Your simplistic comprehension of how world trade operates demonstrates admirably your own rather childish ignorance. of the interplay between, on one hand , our major trading partner, the EU which corners well over 50% of our business dealings, and the rest of the world, the largest of which runs at around 15%, the US of A.

You may refer to 'family' relationship in trade, but as trading maneuvers, shift and vary from day to day, year on year, we cannot realistically rely on those partnerships to be as fundamentally as sound, especially considering involved distances for the transportation of goods, customs and taxation etc, as our dealing with our main and major partner, the EU, which of course we are cooperative members with.

Comparing dealing on such vast scale with a local car boot sale is inane.
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: varteg, I'll spell it out for you as you clearly didn't understand what was a simple analogy. On ebay I can trade with anyone in the world easily and simply, at a car boot sale I can only trade with my neighbours. Same with the EU and world trade. EU trade restrictions in the form of tarifs prevent us from trading with most of the world. This is why we export less to India than to Ireland. Ireland is at the car boot sale... India is not. Hence the Brussels Berlin wall, keeps 'foreign' trade out by making it prohibitively expensive. Technically the EU is not a free trade zone or a common market, it is a customs union. South Africa and Swaziland have the same deal as Swaziland is landlocked. "I never denigrated the British, what I said was, in general they are ignorant, ( made so, deliberately, by successive governments), of the full implications of being members of the EU. " You just did so again. You claim 'they' are ignorant yet show your own ignorance and inability to understand a very simple concept. I'll make it easier for you. Think on the car boot sale again, but where anyone from another town is charged a huge tax on the goods they would like to sell. Now the tin pot unelected little dictators who ran the car boot sale would claim that this is good because most of our trade is with our neighbours. They would claim it is free trade because it is free to trade if you live in the town. Trouble is 90% of the market is from other towns, town like India, China, Australia and Canada - some of whom are our cousins. The car boot sale might claim it is very successful, however all it does is to stifle competition and strangle trade with other towns. This is the analogy I put above and I can't make it much simpler for you to understand...[/p][/quote]Let me explain a simple thing to you.... When making a comment such as the British are ignorant...I qualified it with the words that followed. Also calling some ignorant does not mean to say they are unintelligent, you take on as though that is what I stated. I would guess that the majority of Brits have not a clue about DNA strcuture, therefore they are ignorant of what that science is all about, the same with the EU, they have a generalised suface knowledge, but in detailed terms they are IGNORANT, and even though they may have elevated intelligence, because there has been little real exposure of the facts and features of the complicated structure of the EU, due mainly because successive governments have failed to thoroughly educate the mass, the mass remains in the dark,... i.e. they are Ignorant. Dealin g with individual firms on e bay may be in your eyes, some sort of freewheeling economic freedom, but as stated, it contributes a tiny amount to overall trade when items ordered manufactured, and delivered at costs of multi hundreds of millions of Pounds are concerned. A state economy the size of the UK's would not even tick over using the likes of e bay. Your simplistic comprehension of how world trade operates demonstrates admirably your own rather childish ignorance. of the interplay between, on one hand , our major trading partner, the EU which corners well over 50% of our business dealings, and the rest of the world, the largest of which runs at around 15%, the US of A. You may refer to 'family' relationship in trade, but as trading maneuvers, shift and vary from day to day, year on year, we cannot realistically rely on those partnerships to be as fundamentally as sound, especially considering involved distances for the transportation of goods, customs and taxation etc, as our dealing with our main and major partner, the EU, which of course we are cooperative members with. Comparing dealing on such vast scale with a local car boot sale is inane. varteg1
  • Score: 11

4:07pm Fri 14 Feb 14

coalpicker says...

varteg1 wrote:
Spinflight wrote:
"The average Brit is almost totally ignorant of the EU, they rely on the spoutings of right wing rags that have an agenda that does not include being membership of the largest trading bloc in the world"

Your contempt for the 'average Brit' is noted, but not shared.

How dare the common man have an opinion on something which increasingly affects our day to day lives?... Whether it be mass, uncontrolled, immigration, thousands of homes flooded to appease bird watchers or the rather lacklustre service provided by our binmen, EU decisions and laws are being noticed by the British people.

Your only argument in favour I note is about trade. Why would we want to go to a car boot sale where we are forced to trade with our neighbours when we can trade with our cousins and the rest of the world through ebay? Why should the rules and regulations of some tinpot, unelected, car boot sale organiser affect trade within my own house ( which by the way is 90% of the total).

That is effectively what the common market is, a Brussels Berlin Wall which keeps 'foreign' trade out with huge tarifs. You have to buy from your neighbours, allow them into your house for as long as they like, feed clothe and educate them without a say so as to when they leave.

www.ukipnewport.com
You are obviously ignorant of what trade means in the very big world of capital.

The odd bit bought on e bay on a personal basis is insufficient to keep the roller coaster of a nations economic welfare on track.

The vast sums of money involved in international trade, you know, that stuff which e bay cannot deliver, Airbus 380, tanks, tankers, millions of barrels of oil etc, millions of tonnes of the stuff you shove down your throat three or more times a day, is what TRADE is, and we have the largest trading bloc on our doorstep, why would we be stupid enough to close our doors to that bloc in favour of trading with a much smaller group (with whom we already trade) and that include the USA ( around 15%), when our trade with the EU runs at over 50%( of our total world trade)?

I never denigrated the British, what I said was, in general they are ignorant, ( made so, deliberately, by successive governments), of the full implications of being members of the EU.

All th e blather about monetary union, created by the bankers and others in the field of manipulating the wealth of the nation, to the disadvantage of it's people, you and I, coupled to the almost fanatic, not to say frantic, outpourings of the anti immigration mob, is distraction methods to steer your mind from the facts that although we are major contributing partners in the EU, we are still being shafted for what little we own, as individuals, by those who believe quite fervently that every single penny you hold should by rights be theirs.
Making rather simplistic examples in an attempt to place your own individual circumstances against the overall commonwealth is to say the least pathetic and demonstrates the very ignorance I began with.
Varteg 1 you did not mention the daily contribution we make to this wealth club of unelected rulers or the fact that the EU is now the epicenter of world migration with the sump of that centre being the UK and regardless the BBC propaganda at least five subsequent studies indicate clearly immigration is not beneficial especially when our society the envy of the world is being destroyed by the influx .UK infrastructure is crumbling IN PARTICULAR the NHS,Education over a hundred languages being spoken in schools is there any wonder we are just about bottom of the pile. Housing is priority which is being exacerbated by this artificially imposed increased population and will most certainly increase flooding risk. Over fiftyone percent of crime in Londonistan is now committed by
immigrants first or second generation,While Asians are actually propagateing paedophillia with child marriage,not to mention female gentilia mutilation .I believe that it is only when we start replicating the
current mayhem around the world will people wakeup to what has been
perpetrated on the British people. Sorry Kevin the truth will surely upset .
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: "The average Brit is almost totally ignorant of the EU, they rely on the spoutings of right wing rags that have an agenda that does not include being membership of the largest trading bloc in the world" Your contempt for the 'average Brit' is noted, but not shared. How dare the common man have an opinion on something which increasingly affects our day to day lives?... Whether it be mass, uncontrolled, immigration, thousands of homes flooded to appease bird watchers or the rather lacklustre service provided by our binmen, EU decisions and laws are being noticed by the British people. Your only argument in favour I note is about trade. Why would we want to go to a car boot sale where we are forced to trade with our neighbours when we can trade with our cousins and the rest of the world through ebay? Why should the rules and regulations of some tinpot, unelected, car boot sale organiser affect trade within my own house ( which by the way is 90% of the total). That is effectively what the common market is, a Brussels Berlin Wall which keeps 'foreign' trade out with huge tarifs. You have to buy from your neighbours, allow them into your house for as long as they like, feed clothe and educate them without a say so as to when they leave. www.ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]You are obviously ignorant of what trade means in the very big world of capital. The odd bit bought on e bay on a personal basis is insufficient to keep the roller coaster of a nations economic welfare on track. The vast sums of money involved in international trade, you know, that stuff which e bay cannot deliver, Airbus 380, tanks, tankers, millions of barrels of oil etc, millions of tonnes of the stuff you shove down your throat three or more times a day, is what TRADE is, and we have the largest trading bloc on our doorstep, why would we be stupid enough to close our doors to that bloc in favour of trading with a much smaller group (with whom we already trade) and that include the USA ( around 15%), when our trade with the EU runs at over 50%( of our total world trade)? I never denigrated the British, what I said was, in general they are ignorant, ( made so, deliberately, by successive governments), of the full implications of being members of the EU. All th e blather about monetary union, created by the bankers and others in the field of manipulating the wealth of the nation, to the disadvantage of it's people, you and I, coupled to the almost fanatic, not to say frantic, outpourings of the anti immigration mob, is distraction methods to steer your mind from the facts that although we are major contributing partners in the EU, we are still being shafted for what little we own, as individuals, by those who believe quite fervently that every single penny you hold should by rights be theirs. Making rather simplistic examples in an attempt to place your own individual circumstances against the overall commonwealth is to say the least pathetic and demonstrates the very ignorance I began with.[/p][/quote]Varteg 1 you did not mention the daily contribution we make to this wealth club of unelected rulers or the fact that the EU is now the epicenter of world migration with the sump of that centre being the UK and regardless the BBC propaganda at least five subsequent studies indicate clearly immigration is not beneficial especially when our society the envy of the world is being destroyed by the influx .UK infrastructure is crumbling IN PARTICULAR the NHS,Education over a hundred languages being spoken in schools is there any wonder we are just about bottom of the pile. Housing is priority which is being exacerbated by this artificially imposed increased population and will most certainly increase flooding risk. Over fiftyone percent of crime in Londonistan is now committed by immigrants first or second generation,While Asians are actually propagateing paedophillia with child marriage,not to mention female gentilia mutilation .I believe that it is only when we start replicating the current mayhem around the world will people wakeup to what has been perpetrated on the British people. Sorry Kevin the truth will surely upset . coalpicker
  • Score: -41

7:23pm Fri 14 Feb 14

cymruamblyth says...

You stirred up a hornets nest here M M, don't see this ending well.....
You stirred up a hornets nest here M M, don't see this ending well..... cymruamblyth
  • Score: 0

8:49pm Fri 14 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Bobevans wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo



m
wrote:
And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....
Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed.

Like I said - it's on its last legs.

Going-going...ooh byebye.
Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so
Gosh, how lucky we are to have you Bob, to constantly keep our public servants on the right track. You'd best get on the blower quick, 'cos thehy've done it already.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.[/p][/quote]How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....[/p][/quote]Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed. Like I said - it's on its last legs. Going-going...ooh byebye.[/p][/quote]Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so[/p][/quote]Gosh, how lucky we are to have you Bob, to constantly keep our public servants on the right track. You'd best get on the blower quick, 'cos thehy've done it already. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 29

9:46pm Fri 14 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

coalpicker wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
Spinflight wrote:
"The average Brit is almost totally ignorant of the EU, they rely on the spoutings of right wing rags that have an agenda that does not include being membership of the largest trading bloc in the world"

Your contempt for the 'average Brit' is noted, but not shared.

How dare the common man have an opinion on something which increasingly affects our day to day lives?... Whether it be mass, uncontrolled, immigration, thousands of homes flooded to appease bird watchers or the rather lacklustre service provided by our binmen, EU decisions and laws are being noticed by the British people.

Your only argument in favour I note is about trade. Why would we want to go to a car boot sale where we are forced to trade with our neighbours when we can trade with our cousins and the rest of the world through ebay? Why should the rules and regulations of some tinpot, unelected, car boot sale organiser affect trade within my own house ( which by the way is 90% of the total).

That is effectively what the common market is, a Brussels Berlin Wall which keeps 'foreign' trade out with huge tarifs. You have to buy from your neighbours, allow them into your house for as long as they like, feed clothe and educate them without a say so as to when they leave.

www.ukipnewport.com
You are obviously ignorant of what trade means in the very big world of capital.

The odd bit bought on e bay on a personal basis is insufficient to keep the roller coaster of a nations economic welfare on track.

The vast sums of money involved in international trade, you know, that stuff which e bay cannot deliver, Airbus 380, tanks, tankers, millions of barrels of oil etc, millions of tonnes of the stuff you shove down your throat three or more times a day, is what TRADE is, and we have the largest trading bloc on our doorstep, why would we be stupid enough to close our doors to that bloc in favour of trading with a much smaller group (with whom we already trade) and that include the USA ( around 15%), when our trade with the EU runs at over 50%( of our total world trade)?

I never denigrated the British, what I said was, in general they are ignorant, ( made so, deliberately, by successive governments), of the full implications of being members of the EU.

All th e blather about monetary union, created by the bankers and others in the field of manipulating the wealth of the nation, to the disadvantage of it's people, you and I, coupled to the almost fanatic, not to say frantic, outpourings of the anti immigration mob, is distraction methods to steer your mind from the facts that although we are major contributing partners in the EU, we are still being shafted for what little we own, as individuals, by those who believe quite fervently that every single penny you hold should by rights be theirs.
Making rather simplistic examples in an attempt to place your own individual circumstances against the overall commonwealth is to say the least pathetic and demonstrates the very ignorance I began with.
Varteg 1 you did not mention the daily contribution we make to this wealth club of unelected rulers or the fact that the EU is now the epicenter of world migration with the sump of that centre being the UK and regardless the BBC propaganda at least five subsequent studies indicate clearly immigration is not beneficial especially when our society the envy of the world is being destroyed by the influx .UK infrastructure is crumbling IN PARTICULAR the NHS,Education over a hundred languages being spoken in schools is there any wonder we are just about bottom of the pile. Housing is priority which is being exacerbated by this artificially imposed increased population and will most certainly increase flooding risk. Over fiftyone percent of crime in Londonistan is now committed by
immigrants first or second generation,While Asians are actually propagateing paedophillia with child marriage,not to mention female gentilia mutilation .I believe that it is only when we start replicating the
current mayhem around the world will people wakeup to what has been
perpetrated on the British people. Sorry Kevin the truth will surely upset .
Varteg 1 you did not mention the daily contribution we make to this wealth club of unelected rulers or the fact that the EU is now the epicenter of world migration with the sump of that centre being the UK and regardless the BBC propaganda at least five subsequent studies indicate clearly immigration is not beneficial especially



I did not mention the financial aspect for one simple reason. as signed on members of the EU, despite our petty refusal to enter the Eurozone, which I see as pandering to the money manipulators, who, once they can no longer fiddle figure when we deal only in one currency have kept pressure on the Establishment to remain outside the Zone, thereby costing us a large element of distrust as to our faith and principle in being members.

The ordinary person would have no perception of loss in his cash situation, he would however never again be having to, as I have just had to do, send a large sum of money to an exchange company in order to obtain funds to enable travel into Europe proper.one, what they do not take i to account is the fact we are now in a situation which could see the UK, as a major currency economy, be destroyed just like Ireland was, by those same money manipulators who are virtually beyond any sort of state control.
We contribute substantial sums as agreed in our treaty negotiations, there is scope for renegotiation, but as it stands why should we as a major operator in the world of trade risk national economic suicide just to sate the demands of a population who can see no benefits accruing from their involvement with out most important trading partner, by withdrawing our nation state from that partnership?.
As I have said, when the people with intelligence study the full concept of, and our involvement in depth instead of listening to the UKIP nonsense, and the whining of the right wing media, as some of us have done, the people will, without doubt, refuse to follow such anti EU rhetoric.
As for the UK crumbling, you concentrate far too much on the areas that have been ghettoised, in the main sink estates, city slums and places that the ordinary have given up on.

The total immigrant population, (especially those from that section who follow a different religious drum beat) is minuscule when compared the overall majority which can and does include those from other lands but who are not suffused, (I will goes as far as saying, and who are not aligned with that religious faction), get on with a secular or at least not an invasive and invidious religious path, they adopt adapt and integrate.

Examples being those from a Carribean, Indian or far eastern background. They blend in, and become British in very short order. They are generally accepted, and their ethnic appearance soon disappears, except for those few who have an antipathy to skin colour no matter what.

It is an unfortunate aspect of being immigrant, no matter from where that immigrant originates, he tends to set up camp in areas where he feels comfortable because others from the same background communicate, few remain in that situation beyond the first generation. Being newly arrived he also tends to be much poorer than all around him, hence he locates in run down and sink estate areas.
With one glaring exception; I leave it to you to decide which faction I refer to.

I say finally, that there are far more indigenous Brits,(of whatever ethnic background), on benefits, than incomers for the last few years. Go take a look at all the Job Centres across the state, not just those in inner city and sink estate areas.
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: "The average Brit is almost totally ignorant of the EU, they rely on the spoutings of right wing rags that have an agenda that does not include being membership of the largest trading bloc in the world" Your contempt for the 'average Brit' is noted, but not shared. How dare the common man have an opinion on something which increasingly affects our day to day lives?... Whether it be mass, uncontrolled, immigration, thousands of homes flooded to appease bird watchers or the rather lacklustre service provided by our binmen, EU decisions and laws are being noticed by the British people. Your only argument in favour I note is about trade. Why would we want to go to a car boot sale where we are forced to trade with our neighbours when we can trade with our cousins and the rest of the world through ebay? Why should the rules and regulations of some tinpot, unelected, car boot sale organiser affect trade within my own house ( which by the way is 90% of the total). That is effectively what the common market is, a Brussels Berlin Wall which keeps 'foreign' trade out with huge tarifs. You have to buy from your neighbours, allow them into your house for as long as they like, feed clothe and educate them without a say so as to when they leave. www.ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]You are obviously ignorant of what trade means in the very big world of capital. The odd bit bought on e bay on a personal basis is insufficient to keep the roller coaster of a nations economic welfare on track. The vast sums of money involved in international trade, you know, that stuff which e bay cannot deliver, Airbus 380, tanks, tankers, millions of barrels of oil etc, millions of tonnes of the stuff you shove down your throat three or more times a day, is what TRADE is, and we have the largest trading bloc on our doorstep, why would we be stupid enough to close our doors to that bloc in favour of trading with a much smaller group (with whom we already trade) and that include the USA ( around 15%), when our trade with the EU runs at over 50%( of our total world trade)? I never denigrated the British, what I said was, in general they are ignorant, ( made so, deliberately, by successive governments), of the full implications of being members of the EU. All th e blather about monetary union, created by the bankers and others in the field of manipulating the wealth of the nation, to the disadvantage of it's people, you and I, coupled to the almost fanatic, not to say frantic, outpourings of the anti immigration mob, is distraction methods to steer your mind from the facts that although we are major contributing partners in the EU, we are still being shafted for what little we own, as individuals, by those who believe quite fervently that every single penny you hold should by rights be theirs. Making rather simplistic examples in an attempt to place your own individual circumstances against the overall commonwealth is to say the least pathetic and demonstrates the very ignorance I began with.[/p][/quote]Varteg 1 you did not mention the daily contribution we make to this wealth club of unelected rulers or the fact that the EU is now the epicenter of world migration with the sump of that centre being the UK and regardless the BBC propaganda at least five subsequent studies indicate clearly immigration is not beneficial especially when our society the envy of the world is being destroyed by the influx .UK infrastructure is crumbling IN PARTICULAR the NHS,Education over a hundred languages being spoken in schools is there any wonder we are just about bottom of the pile. Housing is priority which is being exacerbated by this artificially imposed increased population and will most certainly increase flooding risk. Over fiftyone percent of crime in Londonistan is now committed by immigrants first or second generation,While Asians are actually propagateing paedophillia with child marriage,not to mention female gentilia mutilation .I believe that it is only when we start replicating the current mayhem around the world will people wakeup to what has been perpetrated on the British people. Sorry Kevin the truth will surely upset .[/p][/quote]Varteg 1 you did not mention the daily contribution we make to this wealth club of unelected rulers or the fact that the EU is now the epicenter of world migration with the sump of that centre being the UK and regardless the BBC propaganda at least five subsequent studies indicate clearly immigration is not beneficial especially I did not mention the financial aspect for one simple reason. as signed on members of the EU, despite our petty refusal to enter the Eurozone, which I see as pandering to the money manipulators, who, once they can no longer fiddle figure when we deal only in one currency have kept pressure on the Establishment to remain outside the Zone, thereby costing us a large element of distrust as to our faith and principle in being members. The ordinary person would have no perception of loss in his cash situation, he would however never again be having to, as I have just had to do, send a large sum of money to an exchange company in order to obtain funds to enable travel into Europe proper.one, what they do not take i to account is the fact we are now in a situation which could see the UK, as a major currency economy, be destroyed just like Ireland was, by those same money manipulators who are virtually beyond any sort of state control. We contribute substantial sums as agreed in our treaty negotiations, there is scope for renegotiation, but as it stands why should we as a major operator in the world of trade risk national economic suicide just to sate the demands of a population who can see no benefits accruing from their involvement with out most important trading partner, by withdrawing our nation state from that partnership?. As I have said, when the people with intelligence study the full concept of, and our involvement in depth instead of listening to the UKIP nonsense, and the whining of the right wing media, as some of us have done, the people will, without doubt, refuse to follow such anti EU rhetoric. As for the UK crumbling, you concentrate far too much on the areas that have been ghettoised, in the main sink estates, city slums and places that the ordinary have given up on. The total immigrant population, (especially those from that section who follow a different religious drum beat) is minuscule when compared the overall majority which can and does include those from other lands but who are not suffused, (I will goes as far as saying, and who are not aligned with that religious faction), get on with a secular or at least not an invasive and invidious religious path, they adopt adapt and integrate. Examples being those from a Carribean, Indian or far eastern background. They blend in, and become British in very short order. They are generally accepted, and their ethnic appearance soon disappears, except for those few who have an antipathy to skin colour no matter what. It is an unfortunate aspect of being immigrant, no matter from where that immigrant originates, he tends to set up camp in areas where he feels comfortable because others from the same background communicate, few remain in that situation beyond the first generation. Being newly arrived he also tends to be much poorer than all around him, hence he locates in run down and sink estate areas. With one glaring exception; I leave it to you to decide which faction I refer to. I say finally, that there are far more indigenous Brits,(of whatever ethnic background), on benefits, than incomers for the last few years. Go take a look at all the Job Centres across the state, not just those in inner city and sink estate areas. varteg1
  • Score: 15

9:53pm Fri 14 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain.

IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them.

It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population.

It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.
I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain. IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them. It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population. It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about. varteg1
  • Score: 16

10:17pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

Oh dear varteg. F- for you, as apparently you can't understand a simple analogy even after it has been explained in words of few syllables. I can't make it any simpler...

Frankly your contempt for the British serves you well, as I doubt anyone else reading this misunderstood so comprehensively.

And this is the person who thinks everyone else is ignorant?
Oh dear varteg. F- for you, as apparently you can't understand a simple analogy even after it has been explained in words of few syllables. I can't make it any simpler... Frankly your contempt for the British serves you well, as I doubt anyone else reading this misunderstood so comprehensively. And this is the person who thinks everyone else is ignorant? Spinflight
  • Score: -34

11:03pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Bella73 says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
What about people in private rented homes they still have to pay , also not everyone is a s rounder my husband had a good job and worked hard and I have to look after him now permantly
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.[/p][/quote]What about people in private rented homes they still have to pay , also not everyone is a s rounder my husband had a good job and worked hard and I have to look after him now permantly Bella73
  • Score: -15

11:06pm Fri 14 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

Spinflight wrote:
Oh dear varteg. F- for you, as apparently you can't understand a simple analogy even after it has been explained in words of few syllables. I can't make it any simpler...

Frankly your contempt for the British serves you well, as I doubt anyone else reading this misunderstood so comprehensively.

And this is the person who thinks everyone else is ignorant?
What part of the word IGNORANT in the meaning I used it do you not undertstand?


From the Oxford Concise Dictionary.......

Ignorant::

1.ADJECTIVE
lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated:
he was told constantly that he was ignorant and stupid

1.1 lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular:
"I was largely ignorant of the effects of radiotherapy"



Get it now?
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: Oh dear varteg. F- for you, as apparently you can't understand a simple analogy even after it has been explained in words of few syllables. I can't make it any simpler... Frankly your contempt for the British serves you well, as I doubt anyone else reading this misunderstood so comprehensively. And this is the person who thinks everyone else is ignorant?[/p][/quote]What part of the word IGNORANT in the meaning I used it do you not undertstand? From the Oxford Concise Dictionary....... Ignorant:: 1.ADJECTIVE lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated: he was told constantly that he was ignorant and stupid 1.1 [PREDIC.] lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "I was largely ignorant of the effects of radiotherapy" Get it now? varteg1
  • Score: 10

10:49am Sat 15 Feb 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

varteg1 wrote:
.......... think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.......


I can agree in part, that is there is a border, more, borders, but not political ones as such, I would suggest a multiplicity of borders, most being bureaucratic in nature veneered with a layer of partisan difference that these days one would be hard put to to spot the divide.

Whilst giving Wales a block sum to disperse and dispense at the volition of the Assembly it obviates the perceived close similarities between us and our neighbours with small diversities such as free prescriptions or charging for plastic bags at the checkout.

Divide and rule has always been the game of the ruling elite, be they Royalty or bureaucratic, and giving cred to these small differences allows for picking at annoyingly small pimples when we should all focus on the major infection that blights us all.
And I thought it was the Labour Party under Bliar and Brown that were responsible for dividing us , not the ruling elite?
If my memory serves me right, wasn't it Bliar that did his best to engineer a 'yes' vote for the Assembly.
Although saying that, isn't Tony B Liar and his champagne quaffing socialists part of that ruling elite to which you refer?
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: .......... think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term....... I can agree in part, that is there is a border, more, borders, but not political ones as such, I would suggest a multiplicity of borders, most being bureaucratic in nature veneered with a layer of partisan difference that these days one would be hard put to to spot the divide. Whilst giving Wales a block sum to disperse and dispense at the volition of the Assembly it obviates the perceived close similarities between us and our neighbours with small diversities such as free prescriptions or charging for plastic bags at the checkout. Divide and rule has always been the game of the ruling elite, be they Royalty or bureaucratic, and giving cred to these small differences allows for picking at annoyingly small pimples when we should all focus on the major infection that blights us all.[/p][/quote]And I thought it was the Labour Party under Bliar and Brown that were responsible for dividing us , not the ruling elite? If my memory serves me right, wasn't it Bliar that did his best to engineer a 'yes' vote for the Assembly. Although saying that, isn't Tony B Liar and his champagne quaffing socialists part of that ruling elite to which you refer? Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -20

10:52am Sat 15 Feb 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.
Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.
And your point is? Otherwise it's the same Home Office, Foreign Office, Membership of EU, Foreign Policy, Central Bank, direct and indirect taxation, Armed Forces, Head of State, Prime Minister etc. Tinkering with a few rules here and there hardly constitutes UDI does it?
My point is that your assertion that there is no border is simplistic. Borders exist on different levels, their existence does not hinge on a unilateral declaration of independence. I think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.
The imaginary border between Wales and England exists only because of the politicians and media types for whom the whole 'Welsh thing' is a cash cow. You only ever here Welsh politicians and TV people refer to the 'country' or 'nation'. For all the WAG's machinations and bloating of the public sector here, nothing much has improved for the citizens in thirty years. For the inhabitants of the WAG though, and BBC/S4C, it's a great earner. Trouble is it's cost the taxpayer £7B in thirteen years and the meter is still running.
And you get negative feedback for speaking the truth.
The Welsh people are very delusional when it comes to any criticism of it's socialist run Assembly, you should realise that.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.[/p][/quote]Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.[/p][/quote]Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.[/p][/quote]And your point is? Otherwise it's the same Home Office, Foreign Office, Membership of EU, Foreign Policy, Central Bank, direct and indirect taxation, Armed Forces, Head of State, Prime Minister etc. Tinkering with a few rules here and there hardly constitutes UDI does it?[/p][/quote]My point is that your assertion that there is no border is simplistic. Borders exist on different levels, their existence does not hinge on a unilateral declaration of independence. I think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.[/p][/quote]The imaginary border between Wales and England exists only because of the politicians and media types for whom the whole 'Welsh thing' is a cash cow. You only ever here Welsh politicians and TV people refer to the 'country' or 'nation'. For all the WAG's machinations and bloating of the public sector here, nothing much has improved for the citizens in thirty years. For the inhabitants of the WAG though, and BBC/S4C, it's a great earner. Trouble is it's cost the taxpayer £7B in thirteen years and the meter is still running.[/p][/quote]And you get negative feedback for speaking the truth. The Welsh people are very delusional when it comes to any criticism of it's socialist run Assembly, you should realise that. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -19

11:38am Sat 15 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Déjà vu

“cos he’s a shark, slagger
two tounge double dealing money grabber
a shark, slagger
two tounge double dealing money grabber

well he makes two look just like three
with a jiggerypokery
make a bad thing look good to me
with a jiggerypokery”

http://youtu.be/RO_x
CvYGtxY
Déjà vu “cos he’s a shark, slagger two tounge double dealing money grabber a shark, slagger two tounge double dealing money grabber well he makes two look just like three with a jiggerypokery make a bad thing look good to me with a jiggerypokery” http://youtu.be/RO_x CvYGtxY Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 41

11:57am Sat 15 Feb 14

welshmen says...

varteg1 wrote:
I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain.

IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them.

It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population.

It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.
Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology.

You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World.

People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie....

Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain. IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them. It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population. It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.[/p][/quote]Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology. You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World. People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie.... Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth.... welshmen
  • Score: -62

2:03pm Sat 15 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.
Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.
And your point is? Otherwise it's the same Home Office, Foreign Office, Membership of EU, Foreign Policy, Central Bank, direct and indirect taxation, Armed Forces, Head of State, Prime Minister etc. Tinkering with a few rules here and there hardly constitutes UDI does it?
My point is that your assertion that there is no border is simplistic. Borders exist on different levels, their existence does not hinge on a unilateral declaration of independence. I think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.
The imaginary border between Wales and England exists only because of the politicians and media types for whom the whole 'Welsh thing' is a cash cow. You only ever here Welsh politicians and TV people refer to the 'country' or 'nation'. For all the WAG's machinations and bloating of the public sector here, nothing much has improved for the citizens in thirty years. For the inhabitants of the WAG though, and BBC/S4C, it's a great earner. Trouble is it's cost the taxpayer £7B in thirteen years and the meter is still running.
And you get negative feedback for speaking the truth.
The Welsh people are very delusional when it comes to any criticism of it's socialist run Assembly, you should realise that.
Indeed but that is perhaps, why Wales is in the state it is and with little sign of improvement. Wallowing in desolation, poor governance, dependency, faux patriotism and denial suits them.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.[/p][/quote]Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.[/p][/quote]Interesting that I pay 5p for a carrier bag in Newport and my cousin pays for prescriptions in Bristol, but not vice-versa in that case.[/p][/quote]And your point is? Otherwise it's the same Home Office, Foreign Office, Membership of EU, Foreign Policy, Central Bank, direct and indirect taxation, Armed Forces, Head of State, Prime Minister etc. Tinkering with a few rules here and there hardly constitutes UDI does it?[/p][/quote]My point is that your assertion that there is no border is simplistic. Borders exist on different levels, their existence does not hinge on a unilateral declaration of independence. I think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.[/p][/quote]The imaginary border between Wales and England exists only because of the politicians and media types for whom the whole 'Welsh thing' is a cash cow. You only ever here Welsh politicians and TV people refer to the 'country' or 'nation'. For all the WAG's machinations and bloating of the public sector here, nothing much has improved for the citizens in thirty years. For the inhabitants of the WAG though, and BBC/S4C, it's a great earner. Trouble is it's cost the taxpayer £7B in thirteen years and the meter is still running.[/p][/quote]And you get negative feedback for speaking the truth. The Welsh people are very delusional when it comes to any criticism of it's socialist run Assembly, you should realise that.[/p][/quote]Indeed but that is perhaps, why Wales is in the state it is and with little sign of improvement. Wallowing in desolation, poor governance, dependency, faux patriotism and denial suits them. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -11

2:09pm Sat 15 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
.......... think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term.......


I can agree in part, that is there is a border, more, borders, but not political ones as such, I would suggest a multiplicity of borders, most being bureaucratic in nature veneered with a layer of partisan difference that these days one would be hard put to to spot the divide.

Whilst giving Wales a block sum to disperse and dispense at the volition of the Assembly it obviates the perceived close similarities between us and our neighbours with small diversities such as free prescriptions or charging for plastic bags at the checkout.

Divide and rule has always been the game of the ruling elite, be they Royalty or bureaucratic, and giving cred to these small differences allows for picking at annoyingly small pimples when we should all focus on the major infection that blights us all.
And I thought it was the Labour Party under Bliar and Brown that were responsible for dividing us , not the ruling elite?
If my memory serves me right, wasn't it Bliar that did his best to engineer a 'yes' vote for the Assembly.
Although saying that, isn't Tony B Liar and his champagne quaffing socialists part of that ruling elite to which you refer?
Did I specify any particular group that manage to get into a management position? Or were my remarks not generalised to encompass all elitist groups?

As far as I am concerned anyone who places him/herself in a position where they can do anything but manage, is open to the severest of criticism, when they do so in order to benefit their peer group, it becomes patently obvious that anyone outside of that peer group must suffer, and drastically when there is an overall downturn in the general fortunes of the land in which we all live.

Currently the economy is being manipulated, and not very successfully, by a group that controls, beyond Parliament, the wealth of us all, and are doing so to the detriment of the poorest.

I care not one whit if the name is Blair, Camoron, Farage, or Joe Bloggs, they, not us are, all in it together.

Pay a person a champagne wage and expect him to drink Adam's ale?

Get real, the whole lot are champagne socialists, despite claiming to be \Tory., Labour Lib Dems or UKIP in that they all socialise once their parliamentary stint is over.
We need management pure and simple, to manage the economy, and as millionaires make their money from the economy, so should they support the economy through thick and thin to the extent ALL get a fair shake, and if that means the state digs deeper into their pocket, so that should and must be. the way to run the economy and the state.

As for you, try removing your right wing bonce from your derriere and face facts, Blair was a indicator of the elitism that infect British social fabric, he was no more the cause than was your wet dream bint, Maggie.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: .......... think my point illustrates that there is a political border between England and Wales. No definition of borders I am aware of gives membership of the UN or a declaration of independence as a necessary condition of the term....... I can agree in part, that is there is a border, more, borders, but not political ones as such, I would suggest a multiplicity of borders, most being bureaucratic in nature veneered with a layer of partisan difference that these days one would be hard put to to spot the divide. Whilst giving Wales a block sum to disperse and dispense at the volition of the Assembly it obviates the perceived close similarities between us and our neighbours with small diversities such as free prescriptions or charging for plastic bags at the checkout. Divide and rule has always been the game of the ruling elite, be they Royalty or bureaucratic, and giving cred to these small differences allows for picking at annoyingly small pimples when we should all focus on the major infection that blights us all.[/p][/quote]And I thought it was the Labour Party under Bliar and Brown that were responsible for dividing us , not the ruling elite? If my memory serves me right, wasn't it Bliar that did his best to engineer a 'yes' vote for the Assembly. Although saying that, isn't Tony B Liar and his champagne quaffing socialists part of that ruling elite to which you refer?[/p][/quote]Did I specify any particular group that manage to get into a management position? Or were my remarks not generalised to encompass all elitist groups? As far as I am concerned anyone who places him/herself in a position where they can do anything but manage, is open to the severest of criticism, when they do so in order to benefit their peer group, it becomes patently obvious that anyone outside of that peer group must suffer, and drastically when there is an overall downturn in the general fortunes of the land in which we all live. Currently the economy is being manipulated, and not very successfully, by a group that controls, beyond Parliament, the wealth of us all, and are doing so to the detriment of the poorest. I care not one whit if the name is Blair, Camoron, Farage, or Joe Bloggs, they, not us are, all in it together. Pay a person a champagne wage and expect him to drink Adam's ale? Get real, the whole lot are champagne socialists, despite claiming to be \Tory., Labour Lib Dems or UKIP in that they all socialise once their parliamentary stint is over. We need management pure and simple, to manage the economy, and as millionaires make their money from the economy, so should they support the economy through thick and thin to the extent ALL get a fair shake, and if that means the state digs deeper into their pocket, so that should and must be. the way to run the economy and the state. As for you, try removing your right wing bonce from your derriere and face facts, Blair was a indicator of the elitism that infect British social fabric, he was no more the cause than was your wet dream bint, Maggie. varteg1
  • Score: 16

2:46pm Sat 15 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain.

IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them.

It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population.

It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.
Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology.

You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World.

People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie....

Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....
If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument.

Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe?

I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe.
I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name.

This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory?


I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight.

Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not.

I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm.
Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information.
I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media.

Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain. IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them. It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population. It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.[/p][/quote]Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology. You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World. People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie.... Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....[/p][/quote]If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument. Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe? I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name. This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory? I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight. Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not. I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm. Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information. I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media. Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun. varteg1
  • Score: 25

2:52pm Sat 15 Feb 14

coidmellyn says...

Wales only counts when the government in london wants somethings, It is power connected.
when the somerset levels flooded?. It was the people's fault for being there and farming there for 1000yrs.
Not the government's for not listening to the people and dredging or cutting flood defence spending. they had all the excuses. now the rails cut to cornwall?
That in brunel's fault for putting the railway close to the sea. not there fault for not investing in rail projects. BUT WHEN THE THAMES AND THE SEVEN FLOOD IN THE CONSERVATIVE HEARTLANDS ALL FORCES ARE PUT IN AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO ASK EUROPE TO HELP?.
DAVE YOU ARE RIGHT HOME IS WHERE YOUR HEART IS?

So do all a favor let wales get on like scotland you're too far away and not in touch with the needs of england let alone,the needs of the uk?
maybe it is time for us to look closer to home. Evan your own are backing the government of wales in looking after wales first they should they were voted in by the welsh people maybe conservatism is different in wales?
Wales only counts when the government in london wants somethings, It is power connected. when the somerset levels flooded?. It was the people's fault for being there and farming there for 1000yrs. Not the government's for not listening to the people and dredging or cutting flood defence spending. they had all the excuses. now the rails cut to cornwall? That in brunel's fault for putting the railway close to the sea. not there fault for not investing in rail projects. BUT WHEN THE THAMES AND THE SEVEN FLOOD IN THE CONSERVATIVE HEARTLANDS ALL FORCES ARE PUT IN AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO ASK EUROPE TO HELP?. DAVE YOU ARE RIGHT HOME IS WHERE YOUR HEART IS? So do all a favor let wales get on like scotland you're too far away and not in touch with the needs of england let alone,the needs of the uk? maybe it is time for us to look closer to home. Evan your own are backing the government of wales in looking after wales first they should they were voted in by the welsh people maybe conservatism is different in wales? coidmellyn
  • Score: 14

2:56pm Sat 15 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

Magor wrote:
There is no such thing as the "bedroom tax".Tax is what you pay not receive,so how can a cut in benefits be a tax?.
tax
noun
1.
a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.
2.
a burdensome charge, obligation, duty, or demand.
verb (used with object)
3.
a.
to demand a tax from (a person, business, etc.).
b.
to demand a tax in consideration of the possession or occurrence of (income, goods, sales, etc.), usually in proportion to the value of money involved.
4.
to lay a burden on; make serious demands on: to tax one's resources.
5.
to take to task; censure; reprove; accuse: to tax one with laziness.
6.
Informal. to charge: What did he tax you for that?
7.
Archaic. to estimate or determine the amount or value of.
Relevant Questions
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: There is no such thing as the "bedroom tax".Tax is what you pay not receive,so how can a cut in benefits be a tax?.[/p][/quote]tax [taks] noun 1. a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc. 2. a burdensome charge, obligation, duty, or demand. verb (used with object) 3. a. to demand a tax from (a person, business, etc.). b. to demand a tax in consideration of the possession or occurrence of (income, goods, sales, etc.), usually in proportion to the value of money involved. 4. to lay a burden on; make serious demands on: to tax one's resources. 5. to take to task; censure; reprove; accuse: to tax one with laziness. 6. Informal. to charge: What did he tax you for that? 7. Archaic. to estimate or determine the amount or value of. Relevant Questions varteg1
  • Score: 8

2:53am Sun 16 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

"I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. "

Which explains your deliberate misunderstanding of my analogy - it doesn't suit your perverted ideology which is rejected in it's entirety by the British people.

Hence your contempt for the British people and inferred contempt for the Welsh in particular.

Your badly written arguments are all based on economics that you clearly do not understand. You claim it is everyone else who is ignorant yet reject basic and proveable facts about a system you claim to be passionate about.

We operate in a protectionist system designed to shield european industries from the terrors of global competition, that same competition which we have proven expertise in over hundreds of years. Yet you refuse to acknowledge that the EU customs union is a barrier to world trade, that the treaties prevent us from signing trade deals with our cousins around the world.

Your stance is inconsistent with British opinion, interests, values and even democracy itself. If you wish to see ignorance, find a mirror.
"I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. " Which explains your deliberate misunderstanding of my analogy - it doesn't suit your perverted ideology which is rejected in it's entirety by the British people. Hence your contempt for the British people and inferred contempt for the Welsh in particular. Your badly written arguments are all based on economics that you clearly do not understand. You claim it is everyone else who is ignorant yet reject basic and proveable facts about a system you claim to be passionate about. We operate in a protectionist system designed to shield european industries from the terrors of global competition, that same competition which we have proven expertise in over hundreds of years. Yet you refuse to acknowledge that the EU customs union is a barrier to world trade, that the treaties prevent us from signing trade deals with our cousins around the world. Your stance is inconsistent with British opinion, interests, values and even democracy itself. If you wish to see ignorance, find a mirror. Spinflight
  • Score: -42

9:08am Sun 16 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Welshmen/Dai Rear and also masquerading under other pseudonyms
AKA Diarrhoea Man

Most sensible people can see through your lies and hate and your misinterpretation of immigrants and indeed everyday working folk your fooling few.

Nigel Farage is a former stockbroker and the leader of a party which represents the interests of the well-heeled. UKIP wants to give more money to the top 2 per cent of the population and take it away from those who happen to get ill – however poor they are. Despite Farage’s fag-and-a-pint image, UKIP represents the smirk on the corpse of cruel, reactionary England to put it bluntly Kippers are disgruntled divided radical utopian Tories.
If anybody thinks the pathetic kippers will help job prospects for the many then think again.
Many were fooled by the Libdems and few predicted they would get into bed with the Tories! however kippers are far more predictable and some would say its the conservative plan B.
Cameron never won the last election and voters should be wary of the same happening though the Tories Ukip second string.

If we are to believe as many experts do that the recent Wythenshaw by-election is a microcosm of the UK then its good to know that Labour won the contest comfortably
and although the kippers pushed their brothers into third place it has to be remembered that traditional socialist voters are more likely to give a low turn out at by-elections unlike Tory voters who are less apathetic by nature, however come 2015 the socialists will engage fully so the result is likely to be even more convincing and it should also be remembered that the Tories are as divided as ever over the EU and that’s why Ukip exists and that’s why they take more votes from their Tory brothers than from socialists and that’s why they will destroy themselves.
It is also extremely satisfying that the Libdems lost their deposit and basically got told to get out of town and never return.
In Wales we also have Socialist Nationalists that seem to be growing in great strength so alls good.

Message to young people and the apathetic:
Vote because the wealthy and privileged don’t want you to, they would rather you believe in Coronation Street capers and The Sun news rag so make sure your on the electoral registrar.

The world recession was not caused by Labour don’t be fooled.
Cameron said we are all in this together!
Wake up.
The only thing we are all in together is The Weather.
In 2010, only 44% of 18- to 24-year-olds voted, while 76% of those aged 65+ cast their vote.
Groups with the lowest turnout rates – the youngest and the poorest – faced cuts of 20%in their annual household income, while those who were more likely to vote – older and richer voters – saw their budgets fall by only 10%.

Register to Vote because they don’t want you to.
Welshmen/Dai Rear and also masquerading under other pseudonyms AKA Diarrhoea Man Most sensible people can see through your lies and hate and your misinterpretation of immigrants and indeed everyday working folk your fooling few. Nigel Farage is a former stockbroker and the leader of a party which represents the interests of the well-heeled. UKIP wants to give more money to the top 2 per cent of the population and take it away from those who happen to get ill – however poor they are. Despite Farage’s fag-and-a-pint image, UKIP represents the smirk on the corpse of cruel, reactionary England to put it bluntly Kippers are disgruntled divided radical utopian Tories. If anybody thinks the pathetic kippers will help job prospects for the many then think again. Many were fooled by the Libdems and few predicted they would get into bed with the Tories! however kippers are far more predictable and some would say its the conservative plan B. Cameron never won the last election and voters should be wary of the same happening though the Tories Ukip second string. If we are to believe as many experts do that the recent Wythenshaw by-election is a microcosm of the UK then its good to know that Labour won the contest comfortably and although the kippers pushed their brothers into third place it has to be remembered that traditional socialist voters are more likely to give a low turn out at by-elections unlike Tory voters who are less apathetic by nature, however come 2015 the socialists will engage fully so the result is likely to be even more convincing and it should also be remembered that the Tories are as divided as ever over the EU and that’s why Ukip exists and that’s why they take more votes from their Tory brothers than from socialists and that’s why they will destroy themselves. It is also extremely satisfying that the Libdems lost their deposit and basically got told to get out of town and never return. In Wales we also have Socialist Nationalists that seem to be growing in great strength so alls good. Message to young people and the apathetic: Vote because the wealthy and privileged don’t want you to, they would rather you believe in Coronation Street capers and The Sun news rag so make sure your on the electoral registrar. The world recession was not caused by Labour don’t be fooled. Cameron said we are all in this together! Wake up. The only thing we are all in together is The Weather. In 2010, only 44% of 18- to 24-year-olds voted, while 76% of those aged 65+ cast their vote. Groups with the lowest turnout rates – the youngest and the poorest – faced cuts of 20%in their annual household income, while those who were more likely to vote – older and richer voters – saw their budgets fall by only 10%. Register to Vote because they don’t want you to. Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 43

9:08am Sun 16 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

Spinflight wrote:
"I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. "

Which explains your deliberate misunderstanding of my analogy - it doesn't suit your perverted ideology which is rejected in it's entirety by the British people.

Hence your contempt for the British people and inferred contempt for the Welsh in particular.

Your badly written arguments are all based on economics that you clearly do not understand. You claim it is everyone else who is ignorant yet reject basic and proveable facts about a system you claim to be passionate about.

We operate in a protectionist system designed to shield european industries from the terrors of global competition, that same competition which we have proven expertise in over hundreds of years. Yet you refuse to acknowledge that the EU customs union is a barrier to world trade, that the treaties prevent us from signing trade deals with our cousins around the world.

Your stance is inconsistent with British opinion, interests, values and even democracy itself. If you wish to see ignorance, find a mirror.
You are a troll, again you cannot comprehend the difference in meaning between the word I used , properly and in context, and the use of the word i n another context. I gave you the dictionary definitions,maybe you should obtain one of those little bibles,a lexicon, to enable you to discover there ARE implied and contextual differences between the way, in grammatical terms, that those differences come in to play.

It must be something to do with your own blind IGNORANCE of polite debate procedure.

It's an almost dead cert that when one is in a hole one stops digging, and boy! is that hole of total inanity getting deeper with every message.

Another facet of your style of response is to turn to personal insult, when one has nothing but destructive argument to proffer.

Go play somewhere else and away from the adult median.
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: "I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. " Which explains your deliberate misunderstanding of my analogy - it doesn't suit your perverted ideology which is rejected in it's entirety by the British people. Hence your contempt for the British people and inferred contempt for the Welsh in particular. Your badly written arguments are all based on economics that you clearly do not understand. You claim it is everyone else who is ignorant yet reject basic and proveable facts about a system you claim to be passionate about. We operate in a protectionist system designed to shield european industries from the terrors of global competition, that same competition which we have proven expertise in over hundreds of years. Yet you refuse to acknowledge that the EU customs union is a barrier to world trade, that the treaties prevent us from signing trade deals with our cousins around the world. Your stance is inconsistent with British opinion, interests, values and even democracy itself. If you wish to see ignorance, find a mirror.[/p][/quote]You are a troll, again you cannot comprehend the difference in meaning between the word I used , properly and in context, and the use of the word i n another context. I gave you the dictionary definitions,maybe you should obtain one of those little bibles,a lexicon, to enable you to discover there ARE implied and contextual differences between the way, in grammatical terms, that those differences come in to play. It must be something to do with your own blind IGNORANCE of polite debate procedure. It's an almost dead cert that when one is in a hole one stops digging, and boy! is that hole of total inanity getting deeper with every message. Another facet of your style of response is to turn to personal insult, when one has nothing but destructive argument to proffer. Go play somewhere else and away from the adult median. varteg1
  • Score: 16

11:07am Sun 16 Feb 14

helper7 says...

News Flash:

Latest message from UKIP.......... Millions of Martians about to land at Exeter today #voteukip the lunatic party

Latest message from David Cameron......:We are a very wealthy nation,and money is no object, that’s why we have Food Banks on every corner, and 500K people relying on the Red Cross

Latest message from Nick Clegg......we are different to the Tories!! we have just had the biblical floods, now standby for a swarm of Locusts” selling off NHS

.
News Flash: Latest message from UKIP.......... Millions of Martians about to land at Exeter today #voteukip the lunatic party Latest message from David Cameron......:We are a very wealthy nation,and money is no object, that’s why we have Food Banks on every corner, and 500K people relying on the Red Cross Latest message from Nick Clegg......we are different to the Tories!! we have just had the biblical floods, now standby for a swarm of Locusts” selling off NHS . helper7
  • Score: 34

1:05pm Sun 16 Feb 14

welshmen says...

varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain.

IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them.

It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population.

It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.
Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology.

You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World.

People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie....

Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....
If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument.

Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe?

I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe.
I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name.

This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory?


I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight.

Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not.

I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm.
Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information.
I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media.

Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.
Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country.

If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth.

Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever.

You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us.

All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT.

What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain. IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them. It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population. It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.[/p][/quote]Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology. You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World. People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie.... Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....[/p][/quote]If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument. Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe? I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name. This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory? I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight. Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not. I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm. Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information. I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media. Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.[/p][/quote]Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country. If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth. Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever. You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us. All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT. What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family.... welshmen
  • Score: -40

2:19pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Oh dear Dai/welshmen/Diarrho
ea man
Looks like that ice pick you predicted is not cutting any ice with the public maybe its more of a toffee hammer nibbling away at the vulnerable and confused.
If this was a by-election you would have lost your deposit.
Oh dear Dai/welshmen/Diarrho ea man Looks like that ice pick you predicted is not cutting any ice with the public maybe its more of a toffee hammer nibbling away at the vulnerable and confused. If this was a by-election you would have lost your deposit. Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 35

4:49pm Sun 16 Feb 14

blackandamber says...

pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Governments didn't kill off the coal and steel industries economics did.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.[/p][/quote]Governments didn't kill off the coal and steel industries economics did. blackandamber
  • Score: -18

6:41pm Sun 16 Feb 14

helper7 says...

blackandamber wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Governments didn't kill off the coal and steel industries economics did.
What a load of baloney!!!

Well what do you call the interference of Thatcher in the mining industry? Economics.
she will never be forgiven in many parts of this country, for what she did to the mining industry and to the communities she destroyed. it was the beginning of the end of the unions in this country, and as been quite rightly said, why we have a country now which basically is on its backside and nowhere to turn. She divided the country and she divided her own party (still divided)
The mining industry was the backbone of Britain and fully profitable and the attack on it was purely an attack on the working class structure, its no good blaming green policy because it didn’t exist at the time it was purely government stamp down on fair pay and working practice.

What came after was a sweatshop economy with no manufacturing industries left, and relying on cheap labour from abroad. everything privatised of any value, and a country which had political parties who are not capable of running a bath, let alone running the country.

Even though Thatcher denied there was a "secret hit list" to close more than 70 pits, it seems newly released cabinet papers from 1984 reveal that there was indeed a cover- up.
The Tory party has not changed they lied then and they lie now.
Unemployment is not down its just re-listed as working poor with many people only scraping by on a few hours work a week but hey they are not on the unemployment list.

Cameron and Erick Pickles say We are a very wealthy nation,and money is no object, so why do we have Food Banks on every corner, and 500K people relying on the Red Cross?? total Lies again.
Labour caused the world recession? Total lies again in fact we were pulling out of recession under the last months of Gordon Brown only to be pushed back and back again by Clegg assisted Tory madness.
Cameron is trying to twist the knife after Thatcher plunged it in.
Its little wonder Scotland wants to break away from London rule and Likely Wales will follow.

The Witch is Dead the Spell Remains.

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[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.[/p][/quote]Governments didn't kill off the coal and steel industries economics did.[/p][/quote]What a load of baloney!!! Well what do you call the interference of Thatcher in the mining industry? Economics. she will never be forgiven in many parts of this country, for what she did to the mining industry and to the communities she destroyed. it was the beginning of the end of the unions in this country, and as been quite rightly said, why we have a country now which basically is on its backside and nowhere to turn. She divided the country and she divided her own party (still divided) The mining industry was the backbone of Britain and fully profitable and the attack on it was purely an attack on the working class structure, its no good blaming green policy because it didn’t exist at the time it was purely government stamp down on fair pay and working practice. What came after was a sweatshop economy with no manufacturing industries left, and relying on cheap labour from abroad. everything privatised of any value, and a country which had political parties who are not capable of running a bath, let alone running the country. Even though Thatcher denied there was a "secret hit list" to close more than 70 pits, it seems newly released cabinet papers from 1984 reveal that there was indeed a cover- up. The Tory party has not changed they lied then and they lie now. Unemployment is not down its just re-listed as working poor with many people only scraping by on a few hours work a week but hey they are not on the unemployment list. Cameron and Erick Pickles say We are a very wealthy nation,and money is no object, so why do we have Food Banks on every corner, and 500K people relying on the Red Cross?? total Lies again. Labour caused the world recession? Total lies again in fact we were pulling out of recession under the last months of Gordon Brown only to be pushed back and back again by Clegg assisted Tory madness. Cameron is trying to twist the knife after Thatcher plunged it in. Its little wonder Scotland wants to break away from London rule and Likely Wales will follow. The Witch is Dead the Spell Remains. https://secure.flick r.com/photos/delete0 8/8697049206/ helper7
  • Score: 22

7:06pm Sun 16 Feb 14

welshmen says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
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Oh dear Dai/welshmen/Diarrho

ea man
Looks like that ice pick you predicted is not cutting any ice with the public maybe its more of a toffee hammer nibbling away at the vulnerable and confused.
If this was a by-election you would have lost your deposit.
Must of cost you a few quid phoning all your brothers to thumb me down, milkshake....
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: Oh dear Dai/welshmen/Diarrho ea man Looks like that ice pick you predicted is not cutting any ice with the public maybe its more of a toffee hammer nibbling away at the vulnerable and confused. If this was a by-election you would have lost your deposit.[/p][/quote]Must of cost you a few quid phoning all your brothers to thumb me down, milkshake.... welshmen
  • Score: -14

7:16pm Sun 16 Feb 14

welshmen says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
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Welshmen/Dai Rear and also masquerading under other pseudonyms
AKA Diarrhoea Man

Most sensible people can see through your lies and hate and your misinterpretation of immigrants and indeed everyday working folk your fooling few.

Nigel Farage is a former stockbroker and the leader of a party which represents the interests of the well-heeled. UKIP wants to give more money to the top 2 per cent of the population and take it away from those who happen to get ill – however poor they are. Despite Farage’s fag-and-a-pint image, UKIP represents the smirk on the corpse of cruel, reactionary England to put it bluntly Kippers are disgruntled divided radical utopian Tories.
If anybody thinks the pathetic kippers will help job prospects for the many then think again.
Many were fooled by the Libdems and few predicted they would get into bed with the Tories! however kippers are far more predictable and some would say its the conservative plan B.
Cameron never won the last election and voters should be wary of the same happening though the Tories Ukip second string.

If we are to believe as many experts do that the recent Wythenshaw by-election is a microcosm of the UK then its good to know that Labour won the contest comfortably
and although the kippers pushed their brothers into third place it has to be remembered that traditional socialist voters are more likely to give a low turn out at by-elections unlike Tory voters who are less apathetic by nature, however come 2015 the socialists will engage fully so the result is likely to be even more convincing and it should also be remembered that the Tories are as divided as ever over the EU and that’s why Ukip exists and that’s why they take more votes from their Tory brothers than from socialists and that’s why they will destroy themselves.
It is also extremely satisfying that the Libdems lost their deposit and basically got told to get out of town and never return.
In Wales we also have Socialist Nationalists that seem to be growing in great strength so alls good.

Message to young people and the apathetic:
Vote because the wealthy and privileged don’t want you to, they would rather you believe in Coronation Street capers and The Sun news rag so make sure your on the electoral registrar.

The world recession was not caused by Labour don’t be fooled.
Cameron said we are all in this together!
Wake up.
The only thing we are all in together is The Weather.
In 2010, only 44% of 18- to 24-year-olds voted, while 76% of those aged 65+ cast their vote.
Groups with the lowest turnout rates – the youngest and the poorest – faced cuts of 20%in their annual household income, while those who were more likely to vote – older and richer voters – saw their budgets fall by only 10%.

Register to Vote because they don’t want you to.
History has all ready shown what a bunch of idiots Labour voters are, thick doesn't come near, still you keep voting for them cos your dad did, see all your rags dwindling every month, people are waking up to the bulls--t trolls on here Milkshake....
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: Welshmen/Dai Rear and also masquerading under other pseudonyms AKA Diarrhoea Man Most sensible people can see through your lies and hate and your misinterpretation of immigrants and indeed everyday working folk your fooling few. Nigel Farage is a former stockbroker and the leader of a party which represents the interests of the well-heeled. UKIP wants to give more money to the top 2 per cent of the population and take it away from those who happen to get ill – however poor they are. Despite Farage’s fag-and-a-pint image, UKIP represents the smirk on the corpse of cruel, reactionary England to put it bluntly Kippers are disgruntled divided radical utopian Tories. If anybody thinks the pathetic kippers will help job prospects for the many then think again. Many were fooled by the Libdems and few predicted they would get into bed with the Tories! however kippers are far more predictable and some would say its the conservative plan B. Cameron never won the last election and voters should be wary of the same happening though the Tories Ukip second string. If we are to believe as many experts do that the recent Wythenshaw by-election is a microcosm of the UK then its good to know that Labour won the contest comfortably and although the kippers pushed their brothers into third place it has to be remembered that traditional socialist voters are more likely to give a low turn out at by-elections unlike Tory voters who are less apathetic by nature, however come 2015 the socialists will engage fully so the result is likely to be even more convincing and it should also be remembered that the Tories are as divided as ever over the EU and that’s why Ukip exists and that’s why they take more votes from their Tory brothers than from socialists and that’s why they will destroy themselves. It is also extremely satisfying that the Libdems lost their deposit and basically got told to get out of town and never return. In Wales we also have Socialist Nationalists that seem to be growing in great strength so alls good. Message to young people and the apathetic: Vote because the wealthy and privileged don’t want you to, they would rather you believe in Coronation Street capers and The Sun news rag so make sure your on the electoral registrar. The world recession was not caused by Labour don’t be fooled. Cameron said we are all in this together! Wake up. The only thing we are all in together is The Weather. In 2010, only 44% of 18- to 24-year-olds voted, while 76% of those aged 65+ cast their vote. Groups with the lowest turnout rates – the youngest and the poorest – faced cuts of 20%in their annual household income, while those who were more likely to vote – older and richer voters – saw their budgets fall by only 10%. Register to Vote because they don’t want you to.[/p][/quote]History has all ready shown what a bunch of idiots Labour voters are, thick doesn't come near, still you keep voting for them cos your dad did, see all your rags dwindling every month, people are waking up to the bulls--t trolls on here Milkshake.... welshmen
  • Score: -15

7:21pm Sun 16 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain.

IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them.

It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population.

It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.
Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology.

You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World.

People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie....

Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....
If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument.

Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe?

I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe.
I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name.

This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory?


I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight.

Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not.

I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm.
Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information.
I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media.

Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.
Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country.

If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth.

Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever.

You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us.

All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT.

What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....
What an abusive little troll you really are....
mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary.

As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome.

BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption.

Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them.

The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion.

MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh?

I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain. IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them. It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population. It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.[/p][/quote]Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology. You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World. People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie.... Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....[/p][/quote]If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument. Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe? I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name. This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory? I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight. Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not. I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm. Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information. I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media. Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.[/p][/quote]Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country. If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth. Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever. You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us. All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT. What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....[/p][/quote]What an abusive little troll you really are.... mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary. As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome. BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption. Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them. The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion. MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh? I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of. varteg1
  • Score: 11

7:34pm Sun 16 Feb 14

welshmen says...

varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain.

IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them.

It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population.

It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.
Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology.

You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World.

People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie....

Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....
If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument.

Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe?

I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe.
I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name.

This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory?


I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight.

Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not.

I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm.
Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information.
I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media.

Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.
Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country.

If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth.

Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever.

You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us.

All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT.

What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....
What an abusive little troll you really are....
mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary.

As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome.

BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption.

Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them.

The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion.

MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh?

I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.
Rubbish....
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain. IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them. It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population. It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.[/p][/quote]Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology. You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World. People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie.... Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....[/p][/quote]If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument. Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe? I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name. This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory? I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight. Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not. I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm. Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information. I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media. Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.[/p][/quote]Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country. If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth. Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever. You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us. All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT. What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....[/p][/quote]What an abusive little troll you really are.... mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary. As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome. BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption. Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them. The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion. MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh? I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.[/p][/quote]Rubbish.... welshmen
  • Score: -16

7:37pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

welshmen wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne

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wrote:
Welshmen/Dai Rear and also masquerading under other pseudonyms
AKA Diarrhoea Man

Most sensible people can see through your lies and hate and your misinterpretation of immigrants and indeed everyday working folk your fooling few.

Nigel Farage is a former stockbroker and the leader of a party which represents the interests of the well-heeled. UKIP wants to give more money to the top 2 per cent of the population and take it away from those who happen to get ill – however poor they are. Despite Farage’s fag-and-a-pint image, UKIP represents the smirk on the corpse of cruel, reactionary England to put it bluntly Kippers are disgruntled divided radical utopian Tories.
If anybody thinks the pathetic kippers will help job prospects for the many then think again.
Many were fooled by the Libdems and few predicted they would get into bed with the Tories! however kippers are far more predictable and some would say its the conservative plan B.
Cameron never won the last election and voters should be wary of the same happening though the Tories Ukip second string.

If we are to believe as many experts do that the recent Wythenshaw by-election is a microcosm of the UK then its good to know that Labour won the contest comfortably
and although the kippers pushed their brothers into third place it has to be remembered that traditional socialist voters are more likely to give a low turn out at by-elections unlike Tory voters who are less apathetic by nature, however come 2015 the socialists will engage fully so the result is likely to be even more convincing and it should also be remembered that the Tories are as divided as ever over the EU and that’s why Ukip exists and that’s why they take more votes from their Tory brothers than from socialists and that’s why they will destroy themselves.
It is also extremely satisfying that the Libdems lost their deposit and basically got told to get out of town and never return.
In Wales we also have Socialist Nationalists that seem to be growing in great strength so alls good.

Message to young people and the apathetic:
Vote because the wealthy and privileged don’t want you to, they would rather you believe in Coronation Street capers and The Sun news rag so make sure your on the electoral registrar.

The world recession was not caused by Labour don’t be fooled.
Cameron said we are all in this together!
Wake up.
The only thing we are all in together is The Weather.
In 2010, only 44% of 18- to 24-year-olds voted, while 76% of those aged 65+ cast their vote.
Groups with the lowest turnout rates – the youngest and the poorest – faced cuts of 20%in their annual household income, while those who were more likely to vote – older and richer voters – saw their budgets fall by only 10%.

Register to Vote because they don’t want you to.
History has all ready shown what a bunch of idiots Labour voters are, thick doesn't come near, still you keep voting for them cos your dad did, see all your rags dwindling every month, people are waking up to the bulls--t trolls on here Milkshake....
I have a few comrades diarrhoea man but nowhere near as many that are voting you down?
Could it be that folk on here are actually waking up to the complete **** that you are?
Don’t you have anybody to share your warped views.......sad
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: Welshmen/Dai Rear and also masquerading under other pseudonyms AKA Diarrhoea Man Most sensible people can see through your lies and hate and your misinterpretation of immigrants and indeed everyday working folk your fooling few. Nigel Farage is a former stockbroker and the leader of a party which represents the interests of the well-heeled. UKIP wants to give more money to the top 2 per cent of the population and take it away from those who happen to get ill – however poor they are. Despite Farage’s fag-and-a-pint image, UKIP represents the smirk on the corpse of cruel, reactionary England to put it bluntly Kippers are disgruntled divided radical utopian Tories. If anybody thinks the pathetic kippers will help job prospects for the many then think again. Many were fooled by the Libdems and few predicted they would get into bed with the Tories! however kippers are far more predictable and some would say its the conservative plan B. Cameron never won the last election and voters should be wary of the same happening though the Tories Ukip second string. If we are to believe as many experts do that the recent Wythenshaw by-election is a microcosm of the UK then its good to know that Labour won the contest comfortably and although the kippers pushed their brothers into third place it has to be remembered that traditional socialist voters are more likely to give a low turn out at by-elections unlike Tory voters who are less apathetic by nature, however come 2015 the socialists will engage fully so the result is likely to be even more convincing and it should also be remembered that the Tories are as divided as ever over the EU and that’s why Ukip exists and that’s why they take more votes from their Tory brothers than from socialists and that’s why they will destroy themselves. It is also extremely satisfying that the Libdems lost their deposit and basically got told to get out of town and never return. In Wales we also have Socialist Nationalists that seem to be growing in great strength so alls good. Message to young people and the apathetic: Vote because the wealthy and privileged don’t want you to, they would rather you believe in Coronation Street capers and The Sun news rag so make sure your on the electoral registrar. The world recession was not caused by Labour don’t be fooled. Cameron said we are all in this together! Wake up. The only thing we are all in together is The Weather. In 2010, only 44% of 18- to 24-year-olds voted, while 76% of those aged 65+ cast their vote. Groups with the lowest turnout rates – the youngest and the poorest – faced cuts of 20%in their annual household income, while those who were more likely to vote – older and richer voters – saw their budgets fall by only 10%. Register to Vote because they don’t want you to.[/p][/quote]History has all ready shown what a bunch of idiots Labour voters are, thick doesn't come near, still you keep voting for them cos your dad did, see all your rags dwindling every month, people are waking up to the bulls--t trolls on here Milkshake....[/p][/quote]I have a few comrades diarrhoea man but nowhere near as many that are voting you down? Could it be that folk on here are actually waking up to the complete **** that you are? Don’t you have anybody to share your warped views.......sad Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 17

7:46pm Sun 16 Feb 14

welshmen says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne


ss
wrote:
Welshmen/Dai Rear and also masquerading under other pseudonyms
AKA Diarrhoea Man

Most sensible people can see through your lies and hate and your misinterpretation of immigrants and indeed everyday working folk your fooling few.

Nigel Farage is a former stockbroker and the leader of a party which represents the interests of the well-heeled. UKIP wants to give more money to the top 2 per cent of the population and take it away from those who happen to get ill – however poor they are. Despite Farage’s fag-and-a-pint image, UKIP represents the smirk on the corpse of cruel, reactionary England to put it bluntly Kippers are disgruntled divided radical utopian Tories.
If anybody thinks the pathetic kippers will help job prospects for the many then think again.
Many were fooled by the Libdems and few predicted they would get into bed with the Tories! however kippers are far more predictable and some would say its the conservative plan B.
Cameron never won the last election and voters should be wary of the same happening though the Tories Ukip second string.

If we are to believe as many experts do that the recent Wythenshaw by-election is a microcosm of the UK then its good to know that Labour won the contest comfortably
and although the kippers pushed their brothers into third place it has to be remembered that traditional socialist voters are more likely to give a low turn out at by-elections unlike Tory voters who are less apathetic by nature, however come 2015 the socialists will engage fully so the result is likely to be even more convincing and it should also be remembered that the Tories are as divided as ever over the EU and that’s why Ukip exists and that’s why they take more votes from their Tory brothers than from socialists and that’s why they will destroy themselves.
It is also extremely satisfying that the Libdems lost their deposit and basically got told to get out of town and never return.
In Wales we also have Socialist Nationalists that seem to be growing in great strength so alls good.

Message to young people and the apathetic:
Vote because the wealthy and privileged don’t want you to, they would rather you believe in Coronation Street capers and The Sun news rag so make sure your on the electoral registrar.

The world recession was not caused by Labour don’t be fooled.
Cameron said we are all in this together!
Wake up.
The only thing we are all in together is The Weather.
In 2010, only 44% of 18- to 24-year-olds voted, while 76% of those aged 65+ cast their vote.
Groups with the lowest turnout rates – the youngest and the poorest – faced cuts of 20%in their annual household income, while those who were more likely to vote – older and richer voters – saw their budgets fall by only 10%.

Register to Vote because they don’t want you to.
History has all ready shown what a bunch of idiots Labour voters are, thick doesn't come near, still you keep voting for them cos your dad did, see all your rags dwindling every month, people are waking up to the bulls--t trolls on here Milkshake....
I have a few comrades diarrhoea man but nowhere near as many that are voting you down?
Could it be that folk on here are actually waking up to the complete **** that you are?
Don’t you have anybody to share your warped views.......sad
"Comrades" HaHaHaHa Comrades.... your a Marxist then Comrade, HaHa....
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: Welshmen/Dai Rear and also masquerading under other pseudonyms AKA Diarrhoea Man Most sensible people can see through your lies and hate and your misinterpretation of immigrants and indeed everyday working folk your fooling few. Nigel Farage is a former stockbroker and the leader of a party which represents the interests of the well-heeled. UKIP wants to give more money to the top 2 per cent of the population and take it away from those who happen to get ill – however poor they are. Despite Farage’s fag-and-a-pint image, UKIP represents the smirk on the corpse of cruel, reactionary England to put it bluntly Kippers are disgruntled divided radical utopian Tories. If anybody thinks the pathetic kippers will help job prospects for the many then think again. Many were fooled by the Libdems and few predicted they would get into bed with the Tories! however kippers are far more predictable and some would say its the conservative plan B. Cameron never won the last election and voters should be wary of the same happening though the Tories Ukip second string. If we are to believe as many experts do that the recent Wythenshaw by-election is a microcosm of the UK then its good to know that Labour won the contest comfortably and although the kippers pushed their brothers into third place it has to be remembered that traditional socialist voters are more likely to give a low turn out at by-elections unlike Tory voters who are less apathetic by nature, however come 2015 the socialists will engage fully so the result is likely to be even more convincing and it should also be remembered that the Tories are as divided as ever over the EU and that’s why Ukip exists and that’s why they take more votes from their Tory brothers than from socialists and that’s why they will destroy themselves. It is also extremely satisfying that the Libdems lost their deposit and basically got told to get out of town and never return. In Wales we also have Socialist Nationalists that seem to be growing in great strength so alls good. Message to young people and the apathetic: Vote because the wealthy and privileged don’t want you to, they would rather you believe in Coronation Street capers and The Sun news rag so make sure your on the electoral registrar. The world recession was not caused by Labour don’t be fooled. Cameron said we are all in this together! Wake up. The only thing we are all in together is The Weather. In 2010, only 44% of 18- to 24-year-olds voted, while 76% of those aged 65+ cast their vote. Groups with the lowest turnout rates – the youngest and the poorest – faced cuts of 20%in their annual household income, while those who were more likely to vote – older and richer voters – saw their budgets fall by only 10%. Register to Vote because they don’t want you to.[/p][/quote]History has all ready shown what a bunch of idiots Labour voters are, thick doesn't come near, still you keep voting for them cos your dad did, see all your rags dwindling every month, people are waking up to the bulls--t trolls on here Milkshake....[/p][/quote]I have a few comrades diarrhoea man but nowhere near as many that are voting you down? Could it be that folk on here are actually waking up to the complete **** that you are? Don’t you have anybody to share your warped views.......sad[/p][/quote]"Comrades" HaHaHaHa Comrades.... your a Marxist then Comrade, HaHa.... welshmen
  • Score: -14

7:57pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

welshmen wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne

ss
wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne



ss
wrote:
Welshmen/Dai Rear and also masquerading under other pseudonyms
AKA Diarrhoea Man

Most sensible people can see through your lies and hate and your misinterpretation of immigrants and indeed everyday working folk your fooling few.

Nigel Farage is a former stockbroker and the leader of a party which represents the interests of the well-heeled. UKIP wants to give more money to the top 2 per cent of the population and take it away from those who happen to get ill – however poor they are. Despite Farage’s fag-and-a-pint image, UKIP represents the smirk on the corpse of cruel, reactionary England to put it bluntly Kippers are disgruntled divided radical utopian Tories.
If anybody thinks the pathetic kippers will help job prospects for the many then think again.
Many were fooled by the Libdems and few predicted they would get into bed with the Tories! however kippers are far more predictable and some would say its the conservative plan B.
Cameron never won the last election and voters should be wary of the same happening though the Tories Ukip second string.

If we are to believe as many experts do that the recent Wythenshaw by-election is a microcosm of the UK then its good to know that Labour won the contest comfortably
and although the kippers pushed their brothers into third place it has to be remembered that traditional socialist voters are more likely to give a low turn out at by-elections unlike Tory voters who are less apathetic by nature, however come 2015 the socialists will engage fully so the result is likely to be even more convincing and it should also be remembered that the Tories are as divided as ever over the EU and that’s why Ukip exists and that’s why they take more votes from their Tory brothers than from socialists and that’s why they will destroy themselves.
It is also extremely satisfying that the Libdems lost their deposit and basically got told to get out of town and never return.
In Wales we also have Socialist Nationalists that seem to be growing in great strength so alls good.

Message to young people and the apathetic:
Vote because the wealthy and privileged don’t want you to, they would rather you believe in Coronation Street capers and The Sun news rag so make sure your on the electoral registrar.

The world recession was not caused by Labour don’t be fooled.
Cameron said we are all in this together!
Wake up.
The only thing we are all in together is The Weather.
In 2010, only 44% of 18- to 24-year-olds voted, while 76% of those aged 65+ cast their vote.
Groups with the lowest turnout rates – the youngest and the poorest – faced cuts of 20%in their annual household income, while those who were more likely to vote – older and richer voters – saw their budgets fall by only 10%.

Register to Vote because they don’t want you to.
History has all ready shown what a bunch of idiots Labour voters are, thick doesn't come near, still you keep voting for them cos your dad did, see all your rags dwindling every month, people are waking up to the bulls--t trolls on here Milkshake....
I have a few comrades diarrhoea man but nowhere near as many that are voting you down?
Could it be that folk on here are actually waking up to the complete **** that you are?
Don’t you have anybody to share your warped views.......sad
"Comrades" HaHaHaHa Comrades.... your a Marxist then Comrade, HaHa....
And who were you calling thick!!
I think you should check it out in the dictionary.

Marxist no........but then again there are worse things I could be called, I could god forbid be likened to you.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: Welshmen/Dai Rear and also masquerading under other pseudonyms AKA Diarrhoea Man Most sensible people can see through your lies and hate and your misinterpretation of immigrants and indeed everyday working folk your fooling few. Nigel Farage is a former stockbroker and the leader of a party which represents the interests of the well-heeled. UKIP wants to give more money to the top 2 per cent of the population and take it away from those who happen to get ill – however poor they are. Despite Farage’s fag-and-a-pint image, UKIP represents the smirk on the corpse of cruel, reactionary England to put it bluntly Kippers are disgruntled divided radical utopian Tories. If anybody thinks the pathetic kippers will help job prospects for the many then think again. Many were fooled by the Libdems and few predicted they would get into bed with the Tories! however kippers are far more predictable and some would say its the conservative plan B. Cameron never won the last election and voters should be wary of the same happening though the Tories Ukip second string. If we are to believe as many experts do that the recent Wythenshaw by-election is a microcosm of the UK then its good to know that Labour won the contest comfortably and although the kippers pushed their brothers into third place it has to be remembered that traditional socialist voters are more likely to give a low turn out at by-elections unlike Tory voters who are less apathetic by nature, however come 2015 the socialists will engage fully so the result is likely to be even more convincing and it should also be remembered that the Tories are as divided as ever over the EU and that’s why Ukip exists and that’s why they take more votes from their Tory brothers than from socialists and that’s why they will destroy themselves. It is also extremely satisfying that the Libdems lost their deposit and basically got told to get out of town and never return. In Wales we also have Socialist Nationalists that seem to be growing in great strength so alls good. Message to young people and the apathetic: Vote because the wealthy and privileged don’t want you to, they would rather you believe in Coronation Street capers and The Sun news rag so make sure your on the electoral registrar. The world recession was not caused by Labour don’t be fooled. Cameron said we are all in this together! Wake up. The only thing we are all in together is The Weather. In 2010, only 44% of 18- to 24-year-olds voted, while 76% of those aged 65+ cast their vote. Groups with the lowest turnout rates – the youngest and the poorest – faced cuts of 20%in their annual household income, while those who were more likely to vote – older and richer voters – saw their budgets fall by only 10%. Register to Vote because they don’t want you to.[/p][/quote]History has all ready shown what a bunch of idiots Labour voters are, thick doesn't come near, still you keep voting for them cos your dad did, see all your rags dwindling every month, people are waking up to the bulls--t trolls on here Milkshake....[/p][/quote]I have a few comrades diarrhoea man but nowhere near as many that are voting you down? Could it be that folk on here are actually waking up to the complete **** that you are? Don’t you have anybody to share your warped views.......sad[/p][/quote]"Comrades" HaHaHaHa Comrades.... your a Marxist then Comrade, HaHa....[/p][/quote]And who were you calling thick!! I think you should check it out in the dictionary. Marxist no........but then again there are worse things I could be called, I could god forbid be likened to you. Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 15

8:11pm Sun 16 Feb 14

welshmen says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne


ss
wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne




ss
wrote:
Welshmen/Dai Rear and also masquerading under other pseudonyms
AKA Diarrhoea Man

Most sensible people can see through your lies and hate and your misinterpretation of immigrants and indeed everyday working folk your fooling few.

Nigel Farage is a former stockbroker and the leader of a party which represents the interests of the well-heeled. UKIP wants to give more money to the top 2 per cent of the population and take it away from those who happen to get ill – however poor they are. Despite Farage’s fag-and-a-pint image, UKIP represents the smirk on the corpse of cruel, reactionary England to put it bluntly Kippers are disgruntled divided radical utopian Tories.
If anybody thinks the pathetic kippers will help job prospects for the many then think again.
Many were fooled by the Libdems and few predicted they would get into bed with the Tories! however kippers are far more predictable and some would say its the conservative plan B.
Cameron never won the last election and voters should be wary of the same happening though the Tories Ukip second string.

If we are to believe as many experts do that the recent Wythenshaw by-election is a microcosm of the UK then its good to know that Labour won the contest comfortably
and although the kippers pushed their brothers into third place it has to be remembered that traditional socialist voters are more likely to give a low turn out at by-elections unlike Tory voters who are less apathetic by nature, however come 2015 the socialists will engage fully so the result is likely to be even more convincing and it should also be remembered that the Tories are as divided as ever over the EU and that’s why Ukip exists and that’s why they take more votes from their Tory brothers than from socialists and that’s why they will destroy themselves.
It is also extremely satisfying that the Libdems lost their deposit and basically got told to get out of town and never return.
In Wales we also have Socialist Nationalists that seem to be growing in great strength so alls good.

Message to young people and the apathetic:
Vote because the wealthy and privileged don’t want you to, they would rather you believe in Coronation Street capers and The Sun news rag so make sure your on the electoral registrar.

The world recession was not caused by Labour don’t be fooled.
Cameron said we are all in this together!
Wake up.
The only thing we are all in together is The Weather.
In 2010, only 44% of 18- to 24-year-olds voted, while 76% of those aged 65+ cast their vote.
Groups with the lowest turnout rates – the youngest and the poorest – faced cuts of 20%in their annual household income, while those who were more likely to vote – older and richer voters – saw their budgets fall by only 10%.

Register to Vote because they don’t want you to.
History has all ready shown what a bunch of idiots Labour voters are, thick doesn't come near, still you keep voting for them cos your dad did, see all your rags dwindling every month, people are waking up to the bulls--t trolls on here Milkshake....
I have a few comrades diarrhoea man but nowhere near as many that are voting you down?
Could it be that folk on here are actually waking up to the complete **** that you are?
Don’t you have anybody to share your warped views.......sad
"Comrades" HaHaHaHa Comrades.... your a Marxist then Comrade, HaHa....
And who were you calling thick!!
I think you should check it out in the dictionary.

Marxist no........but then again there are worse things I could be called, I could god forbid be likened to you.
milkshake, No not like you at all thank god, whops sorry atheist, this is a labour rag with labour posters, didn't you know, on here not to well, on sister papers do better for similar comments, but the indigenous are the minority....
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: Welshmen/Dai Rear and also masquerading under other pseudonyms AKA Diarrhoea Man Most sensible people can see through your lies and hate and your misinterpretation of immigrants and indeed everyday working folk your fooling few. Nigel Farage is a former stockbroker and the leader of a party which represents the interests of the well-heeled. UKIP wants to give more money to the top 2 per cent of the population and take it away from those who happen to get ill – however poor they are. Despite Farage’s fag-and-a-pint image, UKIP represents the smirk on the corpse of cruel, reactionary England to put it bluntly Kippers are disgruntled divided radical utopian Tories. If anybody thinks the pathetic kippers will help job prospects for the many then think again. Many were fooled by the Libdems and few predicted they would get into bed with the Tories! however kippers are far more predictable and some would say its the conservative plan B. Cameron never won the last election and voters should be wary of the same happening though the Tories Ukip second string. If we are to believe as many experts do that the recent Wythenshaw by-election is a microcosm of the UK then its good to know that Labour won the contest comfortably and although the kippers pushed their brothers into third place it has to be remembered that traditional socialist voters are more likely to give a low turn out at by-elections unlike Tory voters who are less apathetic by nature, however come 2015 the socialists will engage fully so the result is likely to be even more convincing and it should also be remembered that the Tories are as divided as ever over the EU and that’s why Ukip exists and that’s why they take more votes from their Tory brothers than from socialists and that’s why they will destroy themselves. It is also extremely satisfying that the Libdems lost their deposit and basically got told to get out of town and never return. In Wales we also have Socialist Nationalists that seem to be growing in great strength so alls good. Message to young people and the apathetic: Vote because the wealthy and privileged don’t want you to, they would rather you believe in Coronation Street capers and The Sun news rag so make sure your on the electoral registrar. The world recession was not caused by Labour don’t be fooled. Cameron said we are all in this together! Wake up. The only thing we are all in together is The Weather. In 2010, only 44% of 18- to 24-year-olds voted, while 76% of those aged 65+ cast their vote. Groups with the lowest turnout rates – the youngest and the poorest – faced cuts of 20%in their annual household income, while those who were more likely to vote – older and richer voters – saw their budgets fall by only 10%. Register to Vote because they don’t want you to.[/p][/quote]History has all ready shown what a bunch of idiots Labour voters are, thick doesn't come near, still you keep voting for them cos your dad did, see all your rags dwindling every month, people are waking up to the bulls--t trolls on here Milkshake....[/p][/quote]I have a few comrades diarrhoea man but nowhere near as many that are voting you down? Could it be that folk on here are actually waking up to the complete **** that you are? Don’t you have anybody to share your warped views.......sad[/p][/quote]"Comrades" HaHaHaHa Comrades.... your a Marxist then Comrade, HaHa....[/p][/quote]And who were you calling thick!! I think you should check it out in the dictionary. Marxist no........but then again there are worse things I could be called, I could god forbid be likened to you.[/p][/quote]milkshake, No not like you at all thank god, whops sorry atheist, this is a labour rag with labour posters, didn't you know, on here not to well, on sister papers do better for similar comments, but the indigenous are the minority.... welshmen
  • Score: -17

8:15pm Sun 16 Feb 14

welshmen says...

milkshake says:
"And who were you calling thick!!
I think you should check it out in the dictionary." I did check it out under milkshake and your right "THICK"....
milkshake says: "And who were you calling thick!! I think you should check it out in the dictionary." I did check it out under milkshake and your right "THICK".... welshmen
  • Score: -15

8:28pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

welshmen wrote:
milkshake says:
"And who were you calling thick!!
I think you should check it out in the dictionary." I did check it out under milkshake and your right "THICK"....
It would appear the voters are deciding who’s thick Diarrhoea Man.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: milkshake says: "And who were you calling thick!! I think you should check it out in the dictionary." I did check it out under milkshake and your right "THICK"....[/p][/quote]It would appear the voters are deciding who’s thick Diarrhoea Man. Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 12

8:29pm Sun 16 Feb 14

welshmen says...

varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain.

IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them.

It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population.

It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.
Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology.

You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World.

People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie....

Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....
If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument.

Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe?

I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe.
I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name.

This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory?


I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight.

Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not.

I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm.
Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information.
I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media.

Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.
Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country.

If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth.

Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever.

You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us.

All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT.

What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....
What an abusive little troll you really are....
mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary.

As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome.

BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption.

Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them.

The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion.

MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh?

I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.
you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain. IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them. It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population. It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.[/p][/quote]Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology. You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World. People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie.... Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....[/p][/quote]If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument. Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe? I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name. This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory? I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight. Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not. I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm. Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information. I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media. Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.[/p][/quote]Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country. If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth. Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever. You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us. All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT. What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....[/p][/quote]What an abusive little troll you really are.... mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary. As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome. BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption. Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them. The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion. MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh? I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.[/p][/quote]you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa.... welshmen
  • Score: -11

8:33pm Sun 16 Feb 14

helper7 says...

welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain.

IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them.

It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population.

It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.
Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology.

You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World.

People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie....

Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....
If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument.

Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe?

I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe.
I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name.

This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory?


I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight.

Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not.

I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm.
Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information.
I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media.

Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.
Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country.

If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth.

Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever.

You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us.

All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT.

What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....
What an abusive little troll you really are....
mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary.

As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome.

BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption.

Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them.

The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion.

MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh?

I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.
you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....
I read very few of your posts, got better things to do.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain. IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them. It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population. It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.[/p][/quote]Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology. You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World. People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie.... Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....[/p][/quote]If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument. Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe? I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name. This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory? I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight. Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not. I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm. Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information. I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media. Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.[/p][/quote]Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country. If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth. Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever. You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us. All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT. What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....[/p][/quote]What an abusive little troll you really are.... mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary. As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome. BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption. Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them. The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion. MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh? I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.[/p][/quote]you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....[/p][/quote]I read very few of your posts, got better things to do. helper7
  • Score: 13

8:34pm Sun 16 Feb 14

welshmen says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
welshmen wrote:
milkshake says:
"And who were you calling thick!!
I think you should check it out in the dictionary." I did check it out under milkshake and your right "THICK"....
It would appear the voters are deciding who’s thick Diarrhoea Man.
There your "comrades" comrade, what else would you expect, the very people I talk about are the very people that have put our Country in the Mess it's in, but the sadist bit, they'll do it all over again next year, lemmings or what, and you in front....
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: milkshake says: "And who were you calling thick!! I think you should check it out in the dictionary." I did check it out under milkshake and your right "THICK"....[/p][/quote]It would appear the voters are deciding who’s thick Diarrhoea Man.[/p][/quote]There your "comrades" comrade, what else would you expect, the very people I talk about are the very people that have put our Country in the Mess it's in, but the sadist bit, they'll do it all over again next year, lemmings or what, and you in front.... welshmen
  • Score: -17

8:35pm Sun 16 Feb 14

welshmen says...

helper7 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain.

IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them.

It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population.

It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.
Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology.

You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World.

People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie....

Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....
If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument.

Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe?

I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe.
I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name.

This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory?


I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight.

Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not.

I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm.
Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information.
I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media.

Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.
Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country.

If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth.

Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever.

You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us.

All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT.

What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....
What an abusive little troll you really are....
mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary.

As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome.

BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption.

Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them.

The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion.

MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh?

I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.
you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....
I read very few of your posts, got better things to do.
well go and do it, jog on....
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain. IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them. It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population. It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.[/p][/quote]Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology. You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World. People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie.... Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....[/p][/quote]If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument. Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe? I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name. This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory? I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight. Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not. I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm. Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information. I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media. Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.[/p][/quote]Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country. If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth. Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever. You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us. All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT. What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....[/p][/quote]What an abusive little troll you really are.... mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary. As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome. BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption. Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them. The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion. MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh? I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.[/p][/quote]you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....[/p][/quote]I read very few of your posts, got better things to do.[/p][/quote]well go and do it, jog on.... welshmen
  • Score: -16

8:40pm Sun 16 Feb 14

welshmen says...

helper7 wrote:
blackandamber wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Governments didn't kill off the coal and steel industries economics did.
What a load of baloney!!!

Well what do you call the interference of Thatcher in the mining industry? Economics.
she will never be forgiven in many parts of this country, for what she did to the mining industry and to the communities she destroyed. it was the beginning of the end of the unions in this country, and as been quite rightly said, why we have a country now which basically is on its backside and nowhere to turn. She divided the country and she divided her own party (still divided)
The mining industry was the backbone of Britain and fully profitable and the attack on it was purely an attack on the working class structure, its no good blaming green policy because it didn’t exist at the time it was purely government stamp down on fair pay and working practice.

What came after was a sweatshop economy with no manufacturing industries left, and relying on cheap labour from abroad. everything privatised of any value, and a country which had political parties who are not capable of running a bath, let alone running the country.

Even though Thatcher denied there was a "secret hit list" to close more than 70 pits, it seems newly released cabinet papers from 1984 reveal that there was indeed a cover- up.
The Tory party has not changed they lied then and they lie now.
Unemployment is not down its just re-listed as working poor with many people only scraping by on a few hours work a week but hey they are not on the unemployment list.

Cameron and Erick Pickles say We are a very wealthy nation,and money is no object, so why do we have Food Banks on every corner, and 500K people relying on the Red Cross?? total Lies again.
Labour caused the world recession? Total lies again in fact we were pulling out of recession under the last months of Gordon Brown only to be pushed back and back again by Clegg assisted Tory madness.
Cameron is trying to twist the knife after Thatcher plunged it in.
Its little wonder Scotland wants to break away from London rule and Likely Wales will follow.

The Witch is Dead the Spell Remains.

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Absolute rubbish, your a plant from the SNP....
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.[/p][/quote]Governments didn't kill off the coal and steel industries economics did.[/p][/quote]What a load of baloney!!! Well what do you call the interference of Thatcher in the mining industry? Economics. she will never be forgiven in many parts of this country, for what she did to the mining industry and to the communities she destroyed. it was the beginning of the end of the unions in this country, and as been quite rightly said, why we have a country now which basically is on its backside and nowhere to turn. She divided the country and she divided her own party (still divided) The mining industry was the backbone of Britain and fully profitable and the attack on it was purely an attack on the working class structure, its no good blaming green policy because it didn’t exist at the time it was purely government stamp down on fair pay and working practice. What came after was a sweatshop economy with no manufacturing industries left, and relying on cheap labour from abroad. everything privatised of any value, and a country which had political parties who are not capable of running a bath, let alone running the country. Even though Thatcher denied there was a "secret hit list" to close more than 70 pits, it seems newly released cabinet papers from 1984 reveal that there was indeed a cover- up. The Tory party has not changed they lied then and they lie now. Unemployment is not down its just re-listed as working poor with many people only scraping by on a few hours work a week but hey they are not on the unemployment list. Cameron and Erick Pickles say We are a very wealthy nation,and money is no object, so why do we have Food Banks on every corner, and 500K people relying on the Red Cross?? total Lies again. Labour caused the world recession? Total lies again in fact we were pulling out of recession under the last months of Gordon Brown only to be pushed back and back again by Clegg assisted Tory madness. Cameron is trying to twist the knife after Thatcher plunged it in. Its little wonder Scotland wants to break away from London rule and Likely Wales will follow. The Witch is Dead the Spell Remains. https://secure.flick r.com/photos/delete0 8/8697049206/[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish, your a plant from the SNP.... welshmen
  • Score: -23

8:41pm Sun 16 Feb 14

welshmen says...

helper7 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain.

IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them.

It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population.

It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.
Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology.

You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World.

People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie....

Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....
If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument.

Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe?

I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe.
I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name.

This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory?


I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight.

Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not.

I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm.
Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information.
I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media.

Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.
Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country.

If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth.

Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever.

You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us.

All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT.

What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....
What an abusive little troll you really are....
mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary.

As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome.

BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption.

Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them.

The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion.

MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh?

I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.
you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....
I read very few of your posts, got better things to do.
Wasn't posting to you, do one....
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain. IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them. It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population. It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.[/p][/quote]Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology. You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World. People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie.... Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....[/p][/quote]If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument. Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe? I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name. This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory? I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight. Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not. I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm. Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information. I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media. Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.[/p][/quote]Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country. If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth. Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever. You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us. All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT. What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....[/p][/quote]What an abusive little troll you really are.... mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary. As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome. BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption. Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them. The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion. MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh? I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.[/p][/quote]you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....[/p][/quote]I read very few of your posts, got better things to do.[/p][/quote]Wasn't posting to you, do one.... welshmen
  • Score: -1

8:49pm Sun 16 Feb 14

helper7 says...

welshmen wrote:
helper7 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain.

IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them.

It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population.

It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.
Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology.

You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World.

People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie....

Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....
If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument.

Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe?

I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe.
I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name.

This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory?


I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight.

Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not.

I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm.
Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information.
I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media.

Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.
Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country.

If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth.

Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever.

You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us.

All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT.

What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....
What an abusive little troll you really are....
mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary.

As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome.

BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption.

Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them.

The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion.

MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh?

I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.
you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....
I read very few of your posts, got better things to do.
Wasn't posting to you, do one....
No but Iv been taking note and your a nob...
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain. IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them. It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population. It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.[/p][/quote]Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology. You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World. People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie.... Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....[/p][/quote]If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument. Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe? I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name. This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory? I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight. Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not. I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm. Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information. I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media. Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.[/p][/quote]Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country. If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth. Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever. You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us. All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT. What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....[/p][/quote]What an abusive little troll you really are.... mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary. As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome. BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption. Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them. The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion. MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh? I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.[/p][/quote]you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....[/p][/quote]I read very few of your posts, got better things to do.[/p][/quote]Wasn't posting to you, do one....[/p][/quote]No but Iv been taking note and your a nob... helper7
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8:52pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

helper7 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
helper7 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain.

IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them.

It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population.

It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.
Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology.

You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World.

People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie....

Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....
If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument.

Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe?

I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe.
I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name.

This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory?


I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight.

Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not.

I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm.
Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information.
I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media.

Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.
Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country.

If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth.

Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever.

You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us.

All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT.

What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....
What an abusive little troll you really are....
mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary.

As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome.

BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption.

Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them.

The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion.

MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh?

I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.
you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....
I read very few of your posts, got better things to do.
Wasn't posting to you, do one....
No but Iv been taking note and your a nob...
Dear dear you must be one of the few reading his rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain. IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them. It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population. It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.[/p][/quote]Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology. You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World. People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie.... Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....[/p][/quote]If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument. Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe? I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name. This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory? I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight. Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not. I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm. Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information. I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media. Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.[/p][/quote]Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country. If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth. Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever. You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us. All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT. What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....[/p][/quote]What an abusive little troll you really are.... mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary. As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome. BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption. Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them. The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion. MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh? I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.[/p][/quote]you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....[/p][/quote]I read very few of your posts, got better things to do.[/p][/quote]Wasn't posting to you, do one....[/p][/quote]No but Iv been taking note and your a nob...[/p][/quote]Dear dear you must be one of the few reading his rubbish. Milkmanofhumankindness
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10:00am Mon 17 Feb 14

welshmen says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
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helper7 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
helper7 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain.

IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them.

It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population.

It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.
Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology.

You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World.

People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie....

Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....
If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument.

Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe?

I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe.
I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name.

This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory?


I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight.

Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not.

I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm.
Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information.
I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media.

Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.
Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country.

If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth.

Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever.

You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us.

All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT.

What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....
What an abusive little troll you really are....
mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary.

As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome.

BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption.

Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them.

The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion.

MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh?

I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.
you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....
I read very few of your posts, got better things to do.
Wasn't posting to you, do one....
No but Iv been taking note and your a nob...
Dear dear you must be one of the few reading his rubbish.
You are an expert on rubbish milkshake, you post it regularly...
The truth often offends those who support the demise of this country, those who openly wish us harm are treasonous in that support, you seem to appease their far fetched Ideology for this and other Countries, you post like a follower of Islam along with others on here, do you really think your posts are pro British, are you under the assumption that all that thumb me down are pro British, I would doubt that very much, if my posts upset any one strike a bad note, then instead of posting their dislike they just thumb down which I agree they can do, but to me they all support what I don't and that makes them anti-British....
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain. IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them. It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population. It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.[/p][/quote]Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology. You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World. People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie.... Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....[/p][/quote]If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument. Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe? I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name. This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory? I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight. Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not. I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm. Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information. I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media. Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.[/p][/quote]Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country. If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth. Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever. You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us. All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT. What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....[/p][/quote]What an abusive little troll you really are.... mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary. As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome. BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption. Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them. The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion. MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh? I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.[/p][/quote]you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....[/p][/quote]I read very few of your posts, got better things to do.[/p][/quote]Wasn't posting to you, do one....[/p][/quote]No but Iv been taking note and your a nob...[/p][/quote]Dear dear you must be one of the few reading his rubbish.[/p][/quote]You are an expert on rubbish milkshake, you post it regularly... The truth often offends those who support the demise of this country, those who openly wish us harm are treasonous in that support, you seem to appease their far fetched Ideology for this and other Countries, you post like a follower of Islam along with others on here, do you really think your posts are pro British, are you under the assumption that all that thumb me down are pro British, I would doubt that very much, if my posts upset any one strike a bad note, then instead of posting their dislike they just thumb down which I agree they can do, but to me they all support what I don't and that makes them anti-British.... welshmen
  • Score: -16

10:04am Mon 17 Feb 14

welshmen says...

helper7 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
helper7 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain.

IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them.

It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population.

It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.
Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology.

You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World.

People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie....

Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....
If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument.

Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe?

I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe.
I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name.

This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory?


I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight.

Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not.

I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm.
Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information.
I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media.

Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.
Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country.

If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth.

Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever.

You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us.

All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT.

What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....
What an abusive little troll you really are....
mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary.

As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome.

BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption.

Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them.

The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion.

MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh?

I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.
you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....
I read very few of your posts, got better things to do.
Wasn't posting to you, do one....
No but Iv been taking note and your a nob...
Well helper 7, you would know all about NOBs, every time you look in the mirror your looking at one....
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I forgot to add,,, also although there are instances of abuse being perpetrated by some from immigrant background, the beast has always been with us. I can recall many news reports of it, long before the current crop of abusers ever set foot on Britain. IT is a topical item worthy of reporting, without doubt, but the news media of today is a different animal of days in the past, and incidents which years ago would have rated a small degree of local notoriety, now are splashed across the national headlines, especially of they have an Islamic element to them. It's the same with the reports of murder, in relative terms, the murder rates are hardly more than they were fifty years ago, when measured comparatively against the risen population. It's all designed to cause controversy so your eyes are taken off the more serious things that you should worry about.[/p][/quote]Keep on reading the Guardian, your the brain washed leader of the Welsh PC brigade, your having a laugh, according to you, anyone from any where can come here and be British, flip it let the White people go to African, Asian countries and colonise it, see what that brings, You also seem to be pro Islamification of this Country, even though Islam is the Coloniser in this Country and other Countries it raises it's ugly ideology. You tend to be the man feeding a crocodile hoping it wont eat you till last, the EU you like trading with them even though they cost this country £40 odd million a week, the EU government haven't had their accounts audited for eleven years, and all the scroungers it sends here to rob, rape and murder our people, you call that a good trading partner do you? Islam's followers Muslims should be Entitled to be reported on every time they break our laws and put in the Media not as now hidden, remember the Muslim killers of Drummer Lee Rigby the Media have, Muslims would sooner live under Sharia Law as their instructed to do, what you really need to take on board is a Muslim never supports the Country it occupies in their HEART, it's always Islam and fellow brothers of Islam from all around the World. People like you are OUR problem always trying to appease to excuse, Islam hides behind our democracy to achieve their objective to rule this Country and world domination, the quicker they leave our Country the Better, doubt what I say look on the ONS for their BREEDING then go to their QU'RAN for the rest. what can be read can't lie.... Immigration has cost this country BILLIONS, Me and millions of British people ( that's British born and bred for at least four generations) never had a vote on immigration, if we had have we wouldn't be in the mess we are, we have enough people out of work to fill all jobs, trades we can train, Doctors, Nurses etc, our old Commonwealth countries can trade more with us, do you think EU countries would stop trading with us, the likes of Germany, France we have BMW's Merc's in most of our Services, we are big enough to go on our own, our people need to know the truth not bullcrap you get from Liberal left politic promoters like the BBC paedophile hiders and the Guardian liberalise our Country RAG who thankfully are going out of business shortly, i hope the time comes when their like's are brought to justice for treason they have preached over the near demise of the indigenous people of our Country, you know the ones who fought and died in their MILLIONS for this Country, and yes I know others helped us, they were fighting for their freedom too, doesn't mean we have to support them for ever in ruling us....don't come back with your intelligent intellectual Guardian garbage because that's LIES with a hint of truth....[/p][/quote]If our erstwhile 'cousins' across the globe were to give an hard and fast guarantee to quadruple their imports from the UK, then you may, may I repeat.have a degree of argument. Despite all the efforts of our millions employed in the workshops that generate the wealth, our exports to those 'cousin' regions have been steadily falling. Do you really think our ruling faction, of all colours would have opted for European membership if we had satisfactory trade relationships outside of Europe? I have been committed to the EU from it's origin, the coal union of France Italy Germany and the Benelux, and will not be satisfied until the whole continent of Europe has become the Federal United States of Europe. I know that will irk you nationalist senses, but you can take it as a done deal in all but name. This claim for ethnic purity you make is another faux pas, what passes for your sort of Britishness has been on a constant rollercoaster of change for the last millennia and a half at least, so what makes you believe your bloodline is so pure it can be preserved forever by simply dropping the shutters in the forlorn hope it will keep out yet more waves of immigrants, a process that has been the full on feature of the British Isles ever since the ice melted at the start of the stone age flow of peoples into this territory? I know quite well that the EU would not cease trading with us, but the cost to our economy would be unsustainable, unacceptable, and so damaging we would sink into global oblivion, almost overnight. Please don't quote Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc, their economic size hardly equates to that of Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham, the populations of which are on a par basis, even if their relative wealth is not. I support not one iota of Welsh (that is referring to the political economy, which is in massive deficit) the people?, I am one of them, so that stymies your silly insults, as for your implication I am sympathetic to Islam, get real, I am vehemently and verbally violent whenever that damned cult is mentioned, as followers of my submitted messages across many blogs can affirm. Having spent some years living under Sharia, I can assure you I am more conversant with it than you will ever be. I have experienced life from that angle, not read about it in the fascist papers, which it seems, are your sources of information. I read NO newspapers of any sort, My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, agenda or leanings, which I suspect is something you would be unable to lay claim to, as it is so obvious your opinionated rhetoric comes straight from the right wing media. Daily Fail, Telegraph, Express, or more than likely Newscorp's Sun.[/p][/quote]Your comments regarding the EU remind me of Lord Haw-haw the Traitor William Joyce, are you the son of Jack Straw another traitor, all anti-British, anything to denigrate our Country and drop your (maybe) countries past and it's future in favour of your beloved United States of Europe, what a failer you are, and yes I will say these things, how can you let your kids down, with your politics for their future, condemning them to fight battles that YOU should have fought, you only see what's init for you,quote " My mind is my own, I allow no one to formulate my political standpoint, " unquote, in that statement alone shows your own selfish agenda, your for your self, NOT our Country. If the European Union is all that good why are millions of their people still coming to our Country,? why don't they stay in their own State of the United States of Europe, I don't want them in my Country, but I don't blame them coming here, lets face it it the best place on earth. Islam you dislike very much, something we agree on, where we differ is I deem The United States Of Europe as bad for our Country as Islam, they both have the same directive to RULE BRITISH people, you can't have one with out the other it seems in the EU, something that both Islam and the EU need to know, ruling this country will NEVER happen for ever. You mentioned DNA that old chestnut, most of our earlier immigrants that popularised our Country were from the Northern hemisphere hence we are mostly white, what is a clear Law directive under the United Nations Charter is, the INDIGENOUS people of any Country have the Right to be the majority, since the Boat and the Plane immigrants have come from the Southern Hemisphere, we have African DNA, the latter's DNA are more conclusive with warm countries, a lot of those counties were at one time part of the British Empire, they decided they wanted Independence from us, but they still make a "B" line for us. All immigrants come here for a better life, so do asylum seekers, can't blame them, but I do blame our Government for allowing masses to come here with no infrastructure in place to accommodate 2.5 to 13.5 million people, most can't even speak English, whole schools the majority can't speak English, 640 + kids waiting for a nursery place in one of London's Boroughs, London is no longer a white majority, imagine Pakistan, India, Bangladesh with their capital city where the majority are white, wouldn't happen, they would never let it happen, yet you and you political agenda seem it's ok for our Capital to be brown and not British, there would be nothing wrong with that as long as they were born and bred British, but as we all know they are NOT. What you and your fellow followers on here want are ANYBODY from ANYWHERE to come to our Country, well millions of BRITISH born and bred don't.... tell us, with your sharia experience, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT????in my Country....I am white Welsh/ British on my Census Form, I have to write the Welsh bit....my rhetoric as you put it comes from what I see happening where I live, and yes I love for my Country, the very same love that Millions of my Country men and family died to keep Briton British, also the foreigners that fought with us for their freedom to rule their own Countries, unlike you Mr Joyce, you want unelected people from a club that can't produce it's audited accounts for the last eleven years to rule you and your family....[/p][/quote]What an abusive little troll you really are.... mentioned DNA to try explaining to an IGNORAMUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE context that if one is not aware of the whole science, one is therefore ignorant, in the unaware context. But being Mr Einstein, or a clone (failed) thereof one must not expect other than inanity that comes out in the insulting manner of your commentary. As suggested. and now demanded, go sod off to another playground, as it is so very obvious from the thumbs down score you have achieved on this thread, you've overstayed your welcome. BTW, millions may have died in the various wars this country has been involved in, but of you had the slightest grasp of the historical content behind the history of our involvement, you would know, they died not for their country, that would only be the case of their country was actually being invaded, they died to prop up a corrupt system that used them as cannon fodder to prop up that corruption. Further and finally, you also stated that white people would not be able to go to third world countries, does it not enter your silly head there was such an entity known as the British Empire, a simple matter of those 'whites' literally stealing other peoples countries from them. The net result being, today we are having to pay the price of our Empire by being compelled to accept the immigration our political rulers set in motion. MY 'birthright' whatever you are attempting to imply, and I shall take it you mean my background, is, ....I am Welsh, British, born of Welsh parents, who have been family traced back to 1730 in the Gwent area. That's what? ten generations... What's yours?. 4 ......according to one of your statements. What came before, eh? I believe too, that five years in Saudi Arabia, the 'Cradle of Islam' a nation that is totally governed under Sharia, gives me the right to state I know far more about the matter than you. End of.[/p][/quote]you need to read and understand my post before you put your fingers on the key board, you seem to fast skip and your missing historic points, you also seem not to understand the truth, just your point of view, you ought to be a politician they exaggerate and tell porkies to make them look truthful....the British Empire i also mentioned, your answer was stupid a least, similar to all your replies, not thought out well at all, still you know best. 1730 HaHa....[/p][/quote]I read very few of your posts, got better things to do.[/p][/quote]Wasn't posting to you, do one....[/p][/quote]No but Iv been taking note and your a nob...[/p][/quote]Well helper 7, you would know all about NOBs, every time you look in the mirror your looking at one.... welshmen
  • Score: -24

11:40am Mon 17 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

In the Latest ITV Wales Poll UKIP have surged to Second place

Labour 39% (41% in December)
UKIP 18% (13% in December)
Conservatives 17% (20% in December)
Plaid Cymru 12% (13% in December)
Liberal Democrats 7% (9% in December)
Others 7% (4% in December)
In the Latest ITV Wales Poll UKIP have surged to Second place Labour 39% (41% in December) UKIP 18% (13% in December) Conservatives 17% (20% in December) Plaid Cymru 12% (13% in December) Liberal Democrats 7% (9% in December) Others 7% (4% in December) Bobevans
  • Score: -16

4:40pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Radio Wales says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.
Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.
Perhaps we should consider the area of the UK where the Welsh Language Act applies as the 'theoretical' border for now.

If Scotland goes ahead with independence then that theoretical border will likely accelerate rapidly towards a physical one

Whether that be a good thing or bad, is another debate in the making. - not forgetting for a moment, the will of Northern Ireland being expressed forcibly again.

All my life, I have been committed to the idea of a United Kingdom, but to witness the never-ending rape of the regions - including northern England, by the south-east I cannot imagine the UK lasting much longer. Wales in particular, could not get much poorer than it already is under the patronage of the Conservative government.

I'm not swayed by the attacks on the European Union and the Human Rights law in particular, I believe it will soon be our only salvation and it would be tragic if we voted it all away because of a few un-convicted terrorists when it's real purpose is to protect us from our own government. We turkeys will truly have voted for Christmas then.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: I'm fed up with English governments making laws for Wales. English governments killed off Welsh steel & coal industry and put thousands on the dole. Jobs that would have increase Welsh GDP figures.[/p][/quote]Wales is part of the UK along with England. Haven't you got that yet? It's not a separate state. There is no border.[/p][/quote]Perhaps we should consider the area of the UK where the Welsh Language Act applies as the 'theoretical' border for now. If Scotland goes ahead with independence then that theoretical border will likely accelerate rapidly towards a physical one Whether that be a good thing or bad, is another debate in the making. - not forgetting for a moment, the will of Northern Ireland being expressed forcibly again. All my life, I have been committed to the idea of a United Kingdom, but to witness the never-ending rape of the regions - including northern England, by the south-east I cannot imagine the UK lasting much longer. Wales in particular, could not get much poorer than it already is under the patronage of the Conservative government. I'm not swayed by the attacks on the European Union and the Human Rights law in particular, I believe it will soon be our only salvation and it would be tragic if we voted it all away because of a few un-convicted terrorists when it's real purpose is to protect us from our own government. We turkeys will truly have voted for Christmas then. Radio Wales
  • Score: 5

6:05pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

various surveys suggest 60-70% of the UK want an end to migration here, along with that goes a growing concern of the ramblings from Europe that obviously lost the plot about 20 years ago. As regards to the human rights law, it doesn't work. It ignores people's views and belief, and tries to override them.

I'm not referring to laws that protect people from violence, but the laws that suggest anything goes is an inherent right too. The human rights law lacks balance,that's the problem, with 69m people living in the UK all with different ideas of what is right and wrong, any suggestion we recognize that is stupid basically, it is anarchy and chaos to do that. The problem is once you accept an extreme view is a right, then it causes an domino effect that undermines the everything HR was created for, freedom of speech and actions.

I'm afraid like most in the UK I lost interest in Europe when they started the square banana thing, tried to ban pounds and ounces, all wore grey masks so even European countries didn't know who was making the laws.... and suggested we have to pay their migrant freeloaders to stay here sponging off the UK, and bolster their families that never set foot here. These things don't apply IN Europe because they never set up a decent society to protect their vulnerable or poor, as we did with benefits and the NHS.

Europe, Bulgaria stood outside a mosque insisting it doesn't open, Nordic countries voting to ban any more migrants, French who practice antisemitism, human rights aren't working there.... even they have had enough. Migrants have created a system where political asylum became meaningless, and those in real peril couldn't get in, while our own people were by-passed in their favour because labour is cheap, exploitable, low paid, and easy to get rid of, it's the modern equivalent of slavery.
various surveys suggest 60-70% of the UK want an end to migration here, along with that goes a growing concern of the ramblings from Europe that obviously lost the plot about 20 years ago. As regards to the human rights law, it doesn't work. It ignores people's views and belief, and tries to override them. I'm not referring to laws that protect people from violence, but the laws that suggest anything goes is an inherent right too. The human rights law lacks balance,that's the problem, with 69m people living in the UK all with different ideas of what is right and wrong, any suggestion we recognize that is stupid basically, it is anarchy and chaos to do that. The problem is once you accept an extreme view is a right, then it causes an domino effect that undermines the everything HR was created for, freedom of speech and actions. I'm afraid like most in the UK I lost interest in Europe when they started the square banana thing, tried to ban pounds and ounces, all wore grey masks so even European countries didn't know who was making the laws.... and suggested we have to pay their migrant freeloaders to stay here sponging off the UK, and bolster their families that never set foot here. These things don't apply IN Europe because they never set up a decent society to protect their vulnerable or poor, as we did with benefits and the NHS. Europe, Bulgaria stood outside a mosque insisting it doesn't open, Nordic countries voting to ban any more migrants, French who practice antisemitism, human rights aren't working there.... even they have had enough. Migrants have created a system where political asylum became meaningless, and those in real peril couldn't get in, while our own people were by-passed in their favour because labour is cheap, exploitable, low paid, and easy to get rid of, it's the modern equivalent of slavery. Mervyn James
  • Score: -2

10:24pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
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And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....
Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed.

Like I said - it's on its last legs.

Going-going...ooh byebye.
Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so
Gosh, how lucky we are to have you Bob, to constantly keep our public servants on the right track. You'd best get on the blower quick, 'cos thehy've done it already.
They have not. They have know powers to overturn it the Housing benefits reduction still applies in Scotland
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.[/p][/quote]How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....[/p][/quote]Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed. Like I said - it's on its last legs. Going-going...ooh byebye.[/p][/quote]Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so[/p][/quote]Gosh, how lucky we are to have you Bob, to constantly keep our public servants on the right track. You'd best get on the blower quick, 'cos thehy've done it already.[/p][/quote]They have not. They have know powers to overturn it the Housing benefits reduction still applies in Scotland Bobevans
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8:11am Tue 18 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Bobevans wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

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m
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And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....
Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed.

Like I said - it's on its last legs.

Going-going...ooh byebye.
Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so
Gosh, how lucky we are to have you Bob, to constantly keep our public servants on the right track. You'd best get on the blower quick, 'cos thehy've done it already.
They have not. They have know powers to overturn it the Housing benefits reduction still applies in Scotland
The Scottish parliament are paying the shortfall for people affected by the bedroom tax - ergo - it's been overturned in Scotland.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.[/p][/quote]How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....[/p][/quote]Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed. Like I said - it's on its last legs. Going-going...ooh byebye.[/p][/quote]Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so[/p][/quote]Gosh, how lucky we are to have you Bob, to constantly keep our public servants on the right track. You'd best get on the blower quick, 'cos thehy've done it already.[/p][/quote]They have not. They have know powers to overturn it the Housing benefits reduction still applies in Scotland[/p][/quote]The Scottish parliament are paying the shortfall for people affected by the bedroom tax - ergo - it's been overturned in Scotland. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 5

9:08am Tue 18 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
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m
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And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....
Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed.

Like I said - it's on its last legs.

Going-going...ooh byebye.
Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so
Gosh, how lucky we are to have you Bob, to constantly keep our public servants on the right track. You'd best get on the blower quick, 'cos thehy've done it already.
They have not. They have know powers to overturn it the Housing benefits reduction still applies in Scotland
The Scottish parliament are paying the shortfall for people affected by the bedroom tax - ergo - it's been overturned in Scotland.
Semantic point but the Scots must be pilfering that money from another budget since their overall block grant number is finite, just like Wales. So the legislation still applies but someone else in Scotland is paying for it.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.[/p][/quote]How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....[/p][/quote]Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed. Like I said - it's on its last legs. Going-going...ooh byebye.[/p][/quote]Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so[/p][/quote]Gosh, how lucky we are to have you Bob, to constantly keep our public servants on the right track. You'd best get on the blower quick, 'cos thehy've done it already.[/p][/quote]They have not. They have know powers to overturn it the Housing benefits reduction still applies in Scotland[/p][/quote]The Scottish parliament are paying the shortfall for people affected by the bedroom tax - ergo - it's been overturned in Scotland.[/p][/quote]Semantic point but the Scots must be pilfering that money from another budget since their overall block grant number is finite, just like Wales. So the legislation still applies but someone else in Scotland is paying for it. Llanmartinangel
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10:06am Tue 18 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
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Bobevans wrote:
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m
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Bobevans wrote:
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m
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welshmen wrote:
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m
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And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....
Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed.

Like I said - it's on its last legs.

Going-going...ooh byebye.
Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so
Gosh, how lucky we are to have you Bob, to constantly keep our public servants on the right track. You'd best get on the blower quick, 'cos thehy've done it already.
They have not. They have know powers to overturn it the Housing benefits reduction still applies in Scotland
The Scottish parliament are paying the shortfall for people affected by the bedroom tax - ergo - it's been overturned in Scotland.
Semantic point but the Scots must be pilfering that money from another budget since their overall block grant number is finite, just like Wales. So the legislation still applies but someone else in Scotland is paying for it.
I think we can agree that semantics are important.

And sure, that money comes from somewhere but I think the Scottish parliament's willingness to overide Westminster in such a fashion aptly demonstrates their contempt for the 'bedroom tax', and how important an issue they feel it is.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.[/p][/quote]How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....[/p][/quote]Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed. Like I said - it's on its last legs. Going-going...ooh byebye.[/p][/quote]Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so[/p][/quote]Gosh, how lucky we are to have you Bob, to constantly keep our public servants on the right track. You'd best get on the blower quick, 'cos thehy've done it already.[/p][/quote]They have not. They have know powers to overturn it the Housing benefits reduction still applies in Scotland[/p][/quote]The Scottish parliament are paying the shortfall for people affected by the bedroom tax - ergo - it's been overturned in Scotland.[/p][/quote]Semantic point but the Scots must be pilfering that money from another budget since their overall block grant number is finite, just like Wales. So the legislation still applies but someone else in Scotland is paying for it.[/p][/quote]I think we can agree that semantics are important. And sure, that money comes from somewhere but I think the Scottish parliament's willingness to overide Westminster in such a fashion aptly demonstrates their contempt for the 'bedroom tax', and how important an issue they feel it is. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 8

10:17am Tue 18 Feb 14

Howie' says...

Bobevans wrote:
In the Latest ITV Wales Poll UKIP have surged to Second place

Labour 39% (41% in December)
UKIP 18% (13% in December)
Conservatives 17% (20% in December)
Plaid Cymru 12% (13% in December)
Liberal Democrats 7% (9% in December)
Others 7% (4% in December)
As usual Bob you are very selective with the parts of the Poll that you want to share with us, just showing the poll for the Euro-elections and not the voting intentions for the Assembly or Westminster which show no change in seats for the Assembly with Ukip not getting a single MP anywhere in the UK. If you think UKIP is the answer it was a pretty stupid question.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: In the Latest ITV Wales Poll UKIP have surged to Second place Labour 39% (41% in December) UKIP 18% (13% in December) Conservatives 17% (20% in December) Plaid Cymru 12% (13% in December) Liberal Democrats 7% (9% in December) Others 7% (4% in December)[/p][/quote]As usual Bob you are very selective with the parts of the Poll that you want to share with us, just showing the poll for the Euro-elections and not the voting intentions for the Assembly or Westminster which show no change in seats for the Assembly with Ukip not getting a single MP anywhere in the UK. If you think UKIP is the answer it was a pretty stupid question. Howie'
  • Score: 9

11:30am Tue 18 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
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m
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welshmen wrote:
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m
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And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....
Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed.

Like I said - it's on its last legs.

Going-going...ooh byebye.
Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so
Gosh, how lucky we are to have you Bob, to constantly keep our public servants on the right track. You'd best get on the blower quick, 'cos thehy've done it already.
They have not. They have know powers to overturn it the Housing benefits reduction still applies in Scotland
The Scottish parliament are paying the shortfall for people affected by the bedroom tax - ergo - it's been overturned in Scotland.
Semantic point but the Scots must be pilfering that money from another budget since their overall block grant number is finite, just like Wales. So the legislation still applies but someone else in Scotland is paying for it.
I think we can agree that semantics are important.

And sure, that money comes from somewhere but I think the Scottish parliament's willingness to overide Westminster in such a fashion aptly demonstrates their contempt for the 'bedroom tax', and how important an issue they feel it is.
Which begs the question: what were they spending the money on before which was so important that isn't now?
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.[/p][/quote]How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....[/p][/quote]Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed. Like I said - it's on its last legs. Going-going...ooh byebye.[/p][/quote]Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so[/p][/quote]Gosh, how lucky we are to have you Bob, to constantly keep our public servants on the right track. You'd best get on the blower quick, 'cos thehy've done it already.[/p][/quote]They have not. They have know powers to overturn it the Housing benefits reduction still applies in Scotland[/p][/quote]The Scottish parliament are paying the shortfall for people affected by the bedroom tax - ergo - it's been overturned in Scotland.[/p][/quote]Semantic point but the Scots must be pilfering that money from another budget since their overall block grant number is finite, just like Wales. So the legislation still applies but someone else in Scotland is paying for it.[/p][/quote]I think we can agree that semantics are important. And sure, that money comes from somewhere but I think the Scottish parliament's willingness to overide Westminster in such a fashion aptly demonstrates their contempt for the 'bedroom tax', and how important an issue they feel it is.[/p][/quote]Which begs the question: what were they spending the money on before which was so important that isn't now? Llanmartinangel
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5:12pm Tue 18 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
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Llanmartinangel wrote:
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m
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Bobevans wrote:
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m
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Bobevans wrote:
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m
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welshmen wrote:
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And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.
How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....
Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed.

Like I said - it's on its last legs.

Going-going...ooh byebye.
Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so
Gosh, how lucky we are to have you Bob, to constantly keep our public servants on the right track. You'd best get on the blower quick, 'cos thehy've done it already.
They have not. They have know powers to overturn it the Housing benefits reduction still applies in Scotland
The Scottish parliament are paying the shortfall for people affected by the bedroom tax - ergo - it's been overturned in Scotland.
Semantic point but the Scots must be pilfering that money from another budget since their overall block grant number is finite, just like Wales. So the legislation still applies but someone else in Scotland is paying for it.
I think we can agree that semantics are important.

And sure, that money comes from somewhere but I think the Scottish parliament's willingness to overide Westminster in such a fashion aptly demonstrates their contempt for the 'bedroom tax', and how important an issue they feel it is.
Which begs the question: what were they spending the money on before which was so important that isn't now?
Travel to Westminster?
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: And I wouldn't worry about the bedroom tax - it's on its last legs and going the way of the poll tax.[/p][/quote]How is it on it's last legs, what evidence do you have you to support this statement, is there going to be a demonstration like the poll tax had in London?....[/p][/quote]Well Scotland have already overturned it. There's been upper tribunal cases in England that have ruled that if the room is not, in fact, a spare bedroom, then the bedroom tax doesn't apply. They also ruled that the councils have to check each property and aren't allowed to rely on what the property was rented as. Then today I believe, a ten minute bill was passed in the houses of parliament by 226 votes to 1 in favour of debating whether or not it should be axed. Like I said - it's on its last legs. Going-going...ooh byebye.[/p][/quote]Scotland cannot axe it. It does not have the powers to do so[/p][/quote]Gosh, how lucky we are to have you Bob, to constantly keep our public servants on the right track. You'd best get on the blower quick, 'cos thehy've done it already.[/p][/quote]They have not. They have know powers to overturn it the Housing benefits reduction still applies in Scotland[/p][/quote]The Scottish parliament are paying the shortfall for people affected by the bedroom tax - ergo - it's been overturned in Scotland.[/p][/quote]Semantic point but the Scots must be pilfering that money from another budget since their overall block grant number is finite, just like Wales. So the legislation still applies but someone else in Scotland is paying for it.[/p][/quote]I think we can agree that semantics are important. And sure, that money comes from somewhere but I think the Scottish parliament's willingness to overide Westminster in such a fashion aptly demonstrates their contempt for the 'bedroom tax', and how important an issue they feel it is.[/p][/quote]Which begs the question: what were they spending the money on before which was so important that isn't now?[/p][/quote]Travel to Westminster? GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 0

8:12pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

Scots are certainly getting vicious attacks from Westminster,via the pound, and today George what's his face wot was an PM at one point, says "Leaving the 'UK' will mean they will lose their pensions, (Not his, its gold plated from Westminster), battle joined clearly, from what I know of Scots people that is an open invitation vote against. Playing on people's fears with threats is lower than low (But atypical behaviour of Billy Smart's Etonians in London). I only wish Welsh had half the Scots courage.
Scots are certainly getting vicious attacks from Westminster,via the pound, and today George what's his face wot was an PM at one point, says "Leaving the 'UK' will mean they will lose their pensions, (Not his, its gold plated from Westminster), battle joined clearly, from what I know of Scots people that is an open invitation vote against. Playing on people's fears with threats is lower than low (But atypical behaviour of Billy Smart's Etonians in London). I only wish Welsh had half the Scots courage. Mervyn James
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10:44pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Scots are certainly getting vicious attacks from Westminster,via the pound, and today George what's his face wot was an PM at one point, says "Leaving the 'UK' will mean they will lose their pensions, (Not his, its gold plated from Westminster), battle joined clearly, from what I know of Scots people that is an open invitation vote against. Playing on people's fears with threats is lower than low (But atypical behaviour of Billy Smart's Etonians in London). I only wish Welsh had half the Scots courage.
My lord you talk a lot of tripe. The Scots use of the pound was dismissed by Mark Carney, Govr BoE and the treasury, and supported by all three parties. In short they learned from the Euro joke on Greece and Cyprus. Is it independence the Scots want or the best of all worlds? You either go it alone or you don't.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Scots are certainly getting vicious attacks from Westminster,via the pound, and today George what's his face wot was an PM at one point, says "Leaving the 'UK' will mean they will lose their pensions, (Not his, its gold plated from Westminster), battle joined clearly, from what I know of Scots people that is an open invitation vote against. Playing on people's fears with threats is lower than low (But atypical behaviour of Billy Smart's Etonians in London). I only wish Welsh had half the Scots courage.[/p][/quote]My lord you talk a lot of tripe. The Scots use of the pound was dismissed by Mark Carney, Govr BoE and the treasury, and supported by all three parties. In short they learned from the Euro joke on Greece and Cyprus. Is it independence the Scots want or the best of all worlds? You either go it alone or you don't. Llanmartinangel
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10:56am Wed 19 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
There's absolutely no way this government will introduce a welfare payment of £138. Wanna know why? Because once you deduct the current rate of benefits, income tax and national insurance, then £138 is more than someone earning the 'living' wage takes home.... and waaaaaaay more than someone earning minimum wage takes home.
£110 a week Housing Benefit, £18 a week Council Tax benefit and £71 a week JSA. How's that under £138 Magic Type Mushroom?
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: There's absolutely no way this government will introduce a welfare payment of £138. Wanna know why? Because once you deduct the current rate of benefits, income tax and national insurance, then £138 is more than someone earning the 'living' wage takes home.... and waaaaaaay more than someone earning minimum wage takes home.[/p][/quote]£110 a week Housing Benefit, £18 a week Council Tax benefit and £71 a week JSA. How's that under £138 Magic Type Mushroom? Dai Rear
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12:26pm Wed 19 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Dai Rear wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
There's absolutely no way this government will introduce a welfare payment of £138. Wanna know why? Because once you deduct the current rate of benefits, income tax and national insurance, then £138 is more than someone earning the 'living' wage takes home.... and waaaaaaay more than someone earning minimum wage takes home.
£110 a week Housing Benefit, £18 a week Council Tax benefit and £71 a week JSA. How's that under £138 Magic Type Mushroom?
That's not what I was saying at all. You've either completely misunderstood, or misrepresented. Besides, your figures are wrong anyways. A single person on JSA would not get £110 per week in housing benefit - they get the single room allowance, which is less than £55/week - unless you're over 35, in which case, you're allowed to claim for a 1 bed flat at a rate of up to around £85/week.

Gives benefits of £144/wk if under 35
or up to £174/wk if over 35.
Families would obviously get more - but let's stick with the lowest rates for now.

A living wage is currently about £280/week gross. (based on 37.5 hours)
Tax and NI deductions leaves you with around £245/week net.

So, let's say you're over 35.
£245 take home, minus rent at £85 per week (which is cheap for round here in the private sector)
= £160/wk
-Council tax at around £20/wk
=£140/wk
Many people also have travel costs to and from work, which vary and would factor in as well.

So - AT MOST - on the living wage, (never mind the minimum wage) you take home £140 for your week's work.

If you then deduct JSA from that amount, (which is what everyone is entitled to if not working) you're left with an in-your-pocket profit of around £70 - or less than £2/hr for slogging your guts out all week.

The point I was trying to make, is that if the government were forced into accepting the same standard of benefits as our European cousins allow i.e. £138/wk - then just where on earth is your incentive to work? How does that 'make work pay'?

The answer, of course, is - that it doesn't make work pay. The government know this which is why, instead of 'making work pay' by increasing wages, instead they've launched an all out assualt on the so called 'benefits culture' - which is precisely the reason why they will never, ever, ever raise benefits to the standard average that Europeans enjoy - because employers don't want to pay people more.

Does that make it any clearer?
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: There's absolutely no way this government will introduce a welfare payment of £138. Wanna know why? Because once you deduct the current rate of benefits, income tax and national insurance, then £138 is more than someone earning the 'living' wage takes home.... and waaaaaaay more than someone earning minimum wage takes home.[/p][/quote]£110 a week Housing Benefit, £18 a week Council Tax benefit and £71 a week JSA. How's that under £138 Magic Type Mushroom?[/p][/quote]That's not what I was saying at all. You've either completely misunderstood, or misrepresented. Besides, your figures are wrong anyways. A single person on JSA would not get £110 per week in housing benefit - they get the single room allowance, which is less than £55/week - unless you're over 35, in which case, you're allowed to claim for a 1 bed flat at a rate of up to around £85/week. Gives benefits of £144/wk if under 35 or up to £174/wk if over 35. Families would obviously get more - but let's stick with the lowest rates for now. A living wage is currently about £280/week gross. (based on 37.5 hours) Tax and NI deductions leaves you with around £245/week net. So, let's say you're over 35. £245 take home, minus rent at £85 per week (which is cheap for round here in the private sector) = £160/wk -Council tax at around £20/wk =£140/wk Many people also have travel costs to and from work, which vary and would factor in as well. So - AT MOST - on the living wage, (never mind the minimum wage) you take home £140 for your week's work. If you then deduct JSA from that amount, (which is what everyone is entitled to if not working) you're left with an in-your-pocket profit of around £70 - or less than £2/hr for slogging your guts out all week. The point I was trying to make, is that if the government were forced into accepting the same standard of benefits as our European cousins allow i.e. £138/wk - then just where on earth is your incentive to work? How does that 'make work pay'? The answer, of course, is - that it doesn't make work pay. The government know this which is why, instead of 'making work pay' by increasing wages, instead they've launched an all out assualt on the so called 'benefits culture' - which is precisely the reason why they will never, ever, ever raise benefits to the standard average that Europeans enjoy - because employers don't want to pay people more. Does that make it any clearer? GardenVarietyMushroom
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1:06pm Wed 19 Feb 14

welshmen says...

Mervyn James wrote:
various surveys suggest 60-70% of the UK want an end to migration here, along with that goes a growing concern of the ramblings from Europe that obviously lost the plot about 20 years ago. As regards to the human rights law, it doesn't work. It ignores people's views and belief, and tries to override them.

I'm not referring to laws that protect people from violence, but the laws that suggest anything goes is an inherent right too. The human rights law lacks balance,that's the problem, with 69m people living in the UK all with different ideas of what is right and wrong, any suggestion we recognize that is stupid basically, it is anarchy and chaos to do that. The problem is once you accept an extreme view is a right, then it causes an domino effect that undermines the everything HR was created for, freedom of speech and actions.

I'm afraid like most in the UK I lost interest in Europe when they started the square banana thing, tried to ban pounds and ounces, all wore grey masks so even European countries didn't know who was making the laws.... and suggested we have to pay their migrant freeloaders to stay here sponging off the UK, and bolster their families that never set foot here. These things don't apply IN Europe because they never set up a decent society to protect their vulnerable or poor, as we did with benefits and the NHS.

Europe, Bulgaria stood outside a mosque insisting it doesn't open, Nordic countries voting to ban any more migrants, French who practice antisemitism, human rights aren't working there.... even they have had enough. Migrants have created a system where political asylum became meaningless, and those in real peril couldn't get in, while our own people were by-passed in their favour because labour is cheap, exploitable, low paid, and easy to get rid of, it's the modern equivalent of slavery.
How truthful MJ, the Labour sheep on here wont like you for telling it how it is, they still like to believe St Blair had the right Idea, the immigrant and asylum debarkle has cost Billions along with the Bankers yet the Left want more and the right want to stop it for at least five years, 70% of British people not the made up variety just have to sing the Anthem say enough is enough, looking at Channel 5 the other night, stacked with pro immigrantion and immigrants, where was the BNP, the only Party that want a complete stop to Immigration,one sided debate again....
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: various surveys suggest 60-70% of the UK want an end to migration here, along with that goes a growing concern of the ramblings from Europe that obviously lost the plot about 20 years ago. As regards to the human rights law, it doesn't work. It ignores people's views and belief, and tries to override them. I'm not referring to laws that protect people from violence, but the laws that suggest anything goes is an inherent right too. The human rights law lacks balance,that's the problem, with 69m people living in the UK all with different ideas of what is right and wrong, any suggestion we recognize that is stupid basically, it is anarchy and chaos to do that. The problem is once you accept an extreme view is a right, then it causes an domino effect that undermines the everything HR was created for, freedom of speech and actions. I'm afraid like most in the UK I lost interest in Europe when they started the square banana thing, tried to ban pounds and ounces, all wore grey masks so even European countries didn't know who was making the laws.... and suggested we have to pay their migrant freeloaders to stay here sponging off the UK, and bolster their families that never set foot here. These things don't apply IN Europe because they never set up a decent society to protect their vulnerable or poor, as we did with benefits and the NHS. Europe, Bulgaria stood outside a mosque insisting it doesn't open, Nordic countries voting to ban any more migrants, French who practice antisemitism, human rights aren't working there.... even they have had enough. Migrants have created a system where political asylum became meaningless, and those in real peril couldn't get in, while our own people were by-passed in their favour because labour is cheap, exploitable, low paid, and easy to get rid of, it's the modern equivalent of slavery.[/p][/quote]How truthful MJ, the Labour sheep on here wont like you for telling it how it is, they still like to believe St Blair had the right Idea, the immigrant and asylum debarkle has cost Billions along with the Bankers yet the Left want more and the right want to stop it for at least five years, 70% of British people not the made up variety just have to sing the Anthem say enough is enough, looking at Channel 5 the other night, stacked with pro immigrantion and immigrants, where was the BNP, the only Party that want a complete stop to Immigration,one sided debate again.... welshmen
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1:12pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

"The point I was trying to make, is that if the government were forced into accepting the same standard of benefits as our European cousins allow i.e. £138/wk - then just where on earth is your incentive to work? How does that 'make work pay'? "
Roumanians and Bulgarians, not to mention Moldovans, get £138 a week welfare dosh?? My Lord. I'll have to give up the Mail and start reading your paper. Is it Pravda or Granma?
The incentive to work is, I'm afraid, that if you don't work then your self esteem levels out to about that enjoyed by one of the plastic bags filled with doggy poo that festoon our countryside so colourfully
"The point I was trying to make, is that if the government were forced into accepting the same standard of benefits as our European cousins allow i.e. £138/wk - then just where on earth is your incentive to work? How does that 'make work pay'? " Roumanians and Bulgarians, not to mention Moldovans, get £138 a week welfare dosh?? My Lord. I'll have to give up the Mail and start reading your paper. Is it Pravda or Granma? The incentive to work is, I'm afraid, that if you don't work then your self esteem levels out to about that enjoyed by one of the plastic bags filled with doggy poo that festoon our countryside so colourfully Dai Rear
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1:15pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

However, if your point is that 50% of young Spaniards aren't working because they get so much welfare, I'm afraid you're horribly wrong. They don't work because they have been sacrificed for a morally bankrupt theory of monetary union.
However, if your point is that 50% of young Spaniards aren't working because they get so much welfare, I'm afraid you're horribly wrong. They don't work because they have been sacrificed for a morally bankrupt theory of monetary union. Dai Rear
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4:16am Sun 23 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

So to sum this disgrace of a thread up... New labour think we're all too ignorant to vote and the BNP think we should "jog on" and "do one.".

Illuminating stuff...
So to sum this disgrace of a thread up... New labour think we're all too ignorant to vote and the BNP think we should "jog on" and "do one.". Illuminating stuff... Spinflight
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