End EU lunacy

First published in Letters

TODAY I read that a Mrs Viviane Reding, vice president of the European Commission, implied that the British electorate are too ignorant for an EU referendum on whether to stay in or leave the EU.

As the British debate about Europe was distorted, she also said 70 per cent of the UK laws are now made in Brussels. I find this absolutely appalling.

If she thinks we are unable to decide whether or not to ditch the profligate spending Eurocrats who can’t even get their own accounts signed off, let’s get out of this madness now. Give us a referendum now.

Ann Poyser Stockton Road Newport

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1:09pm Tue 18 Feb 14

whatintheworld says...

this letter is complete nonsense.

viviane reding said NOTHING about the british electorate, her comments were about british politicians blaming the uk's ills on imigration.
read the story here - http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-politics-26
231647

she said nothing about the percentage of UK laws being made in Brussels (and 70% is a load of rubbish anyway), but I have found this -

http://www.northwest
ineurope.org/2013/02
/who-makes-our-laws-
real-proportion-of.h
tml
"At a recent public debate in Maghull on Merseyside, UKIP repeated the assertion that 75% of our laws come from Brussels.
When I asked where they got this figure, no answer came. On investigation by the Centre for British Influence through Europe, it seems that it has come from a mis-understanding of what a former President of the European Parliament had once said. Mr Pottering had said, "Today approximately 75 per cent of the European Union legislation is decided by the European Parliament together with the Council of Ministers and has a direct impact in our daily lives".
Read again, carefully. There is no reference to the laws passed in Britain. What he was saying was that the European Parliament is playing an increasing part in the EU legislative process."
this letter is complete nonsense. viviane reding said NOTHING about the british electorate, her comments were about british politicians blaming the uk's ills on imigration. read the story here - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-26 231647 she said nothing about the percentage of UK laws being made in Brussels (and 70% is a load of rubbish anyway), but I have found this - http://www.northwest ineurope.org/2013/02 /who-makes-our-laws- real-proportion-of.h tml "At a recent public debate in Maghull on Merseyside, UKIP repeated the assertion that 75% of our laws come from Brussels. When I asked where they got this figure, no answer came. On investigation by the Centre for British Influence through Europe, it seems that it has come from a mis-understanding of what a former President of the European Parliament had once said. Mr Pottering had said, "Today approximately 75 per cent of the European Union legislation is decided by the European Parliament together with the Council of Ministers and has a direct impact in our daily lives". Read again, carefully. There is no reference to the laws passed in Britain. What he was saying was that the European Parliament is playing an increasing part in the EU legislative process." whatintheworld
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1:15pm Tue 18 Feb 14

BobEvams2014 says...

I would vote to leave the EU, I am fed up with Italians,Germans, Frenchmen and Spaniards winning football tournaments beating the great English team on penalties.
I would vote to leave the EU, I am fed up with Italians,Germans, Frenchmen and Spaniards winning football tournaments beating the great English team on penalties. BobEvams2014
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3:41pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

It is said the euro gives every person in Wales £70 each,far above anything the UK/wales pays in. I agree the euro has to go, but we need something in place when that cash dries up and England succeeds is halving what we get now. We've been too long with the hands out begging, time to step up to the plate. However Labour says welsh futures are still with the Euro, God help us all, time to cut the chord....... Europeans should mind European business and laws and leave us out of it, it aint worth it for £70, I'll give them £70 to go away and play silly beggars with someone else.
It is said the euro gives every person in Wales £70 each,far above anything the UK/wales pays in. I agree the euro has to go, but we need something in place when that cash dries up and England succeeds is halving what we get now. We've been too long with the hands out begging, time to step up to the plate. However Labour says welsh futures are still with the Euro, God help us all, time to cut the chord....... Europeans should mind European business and laws and leave us out of it, it aint worth it for £70, I'll give them £70 to go away and play silly beggars with someone else. Mervyn James
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4:29pm Tue 18 Feb 14

whatintheworld says...

Mervyn James wrote:
It is said the euro gives every person in Wales £70 each,far above anything the UK/wales pays in. I agree the euro has to go, but we need something in place when that cash dries up and England succeeds is halving what we get now. We've been too long with the hands out begging, time to step up to the plate. However Labour says welsh futures are still with the Euro, God help us all, time to cut the chord....... Europeans should mind European business and laws and leave us out of it, it aint worth it for £70, I'll give them £70 to go away and play silly beggars with someone else.
What you've basically said there, is even though we are financially better off being a part of the EU (which we are), you'd rather we paid to leave.

We've got usage of food banks exploding, a record housing shortage, huge levels of unemployment (especially among the young) and people choosing between heating their homes or feeding their kids.

The only people playing silly beggars are the anti-europe brigade.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: It is said the euro gives every person in Wales £70 each,far above anything the UK/wales pays in. I agree the euro has to go, but we need something in place when that cash dries up and England succeeds is halving what we get now. We've been too long with the hands out begging, time to step up to the plate. However Labour says welsh futures are still with the Euro, God help us all, time to cut the chord....... Europeans should mind European business and laws and leave us out of it, it aint worth it for £70, I'll give them £70 to go away and play silly beggars with someone else.[/p][/quote]What you've basically said there, is even though we are financially better off being a part of the EU (which we are), you'd rather we paid to leave. We've got usage of food banks exploding, a record housing shortage, huge levels of unemployment (especially among the young) and people choosing between heating their homes or feeding their kids. The only people playing silly beggars are the anti-europe brigade. whatintheworld
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6:44pm Tue 18 Feb 14

blackandamber says...

The sooner we leave the better, or we get what we voted for which was a trading block of nations nothing more nothing less.
The sooner we leave the better, or we get what we voted for which was a trading block of nations nothing more nothing less. blackandamber
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8:19pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

whatintheworld wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
It is said the euro gives every person in Wales £70 each,far above anything the UK/wales pays in. I agree the euro has to go, but we need something in place when that cash dries up and England succeeds is halving what we get now. We've been too long with the hands out begging, time to step up to the plate. However Labour says welsh futures are still with the Euro, God help us all, time to cut the chord....... Europeans should mind European business and laws and leave us out of it, it aint worth it for £70, I'll give them £70 to go away and play silly beggars with someone else.
What you've basically said there, is even though we are financially better off being a part of the EU (which we are), you'd rather we paid to leave.

We've got usage of food banks exploding, a record housing shortage, huge levels of unemployment (especially among the young) and people choosing between heating their homes or feeding their kids.

The only people playing silly beggars are the anti-europe brigade.
We cannot be equal partners in Europe as beggars. There is no 'advantage' from Brussels that way, or any from London either, all you advocate is more of the same... None of that money gives anyone a job,none of it increases trade. Germany runs food parcels too, and they are supposed to be the richest country in Europe. we are in this position because Westminster supported Banker fraud, and sends money to countries other than ours, overall the UK gets less than it puts in. I'm astounded and saddened people are defending the fact we are all beggars and need to maintain that. For goodness sake it is BECAUSE Europeans are flooding this country taking bread from our mouths, we are forced to beg for it, then defending the fact they bought us off with £70, that's the real deal.... for them.
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: It is said the euro gives every person in Wales £70 each,far above anything the UK/wales pays in. I agree the euro has to go, but we need something in place when that cash dries up and England succeeds is halving what we get now. We've been too long with the hands out begging, time to step up to the plate. However Labour says welsh futures are still with the Euro, God help us all, time to cut the chord....... Europeans should mind European business and laws and leave us out of it, it aint worth it for £70, I'll give them £70 to go away and play silly beggars with someone else.[/p][/quote]What you've basically said there, is even though we are financially better off being a part of the EU (which we are), you'd rather we paid to leave. We've got usage of food banks exploding, a record housing shortage, huge levels of unemployment (especially among the young) and people choosing between heating their homes or feeding their kids. The only people playing silly beggars are the anti-europe brigade.[/p][/quote]We cannot be equal partners in Europe as beggars. There is no 'advantage' from Brussels that way, or any from London either, all you advocate is more of the same... None of that money gives anyone a job,none of it increases trade. Germany runs food parcels too, and they are supposed to be the richest country in Europe. we are in this position because Westminster supported Banker fraud, and sends money to countries other than ours, overall the UK gets less than it puts in. I'm astounded and saddened people are defending the fact we are all beggars and need to maintain that. For goodness sake it is BECAUSE Europeans are flooding this country taking bread from our mouths, we are forced to beg for it, then defending the fact they bought us off with £70, that's the real deal.... for them. Mervyn James
  • Score: -3

11:35pm Tue 18 Feb 14

whatintheworld says...

Mervyn James wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
It is said the euro gives every person in Wales £70 each,far above anything the UK/wales pays in. I agree the euro has to go, but we need something in place when that cash dries up and England succeeds is halving what we get now. We've been too long with the hands out begging, time to step up to the plate. However Labour says welsh futures are still with the Euro, God help us all, time to cut the chord....... Europeans should mind European business and laws and leave us out of it, it aint worth it for £70, I'll give them £70 to go away and play silly beggars with someone else.
What you've basically said there, is even though we are financially better off being a part of the EU (which we are), you'd rather we paid to leave.

We've got usage of food banks exploding, a record housing shortage, huge levels of unemployment (especially among the young) and people choosing between heating their homes or feeding their kids.

The only people playing silly beggars are the anti-europe brigade.
We cannot be equal partners in Europe as beggars. There is no 'advantage' from Brussels that way, or any from London either, all you advocate is more of the same... None of that money gives anyone a job,none of it increases trade. Germany runs food parcels too, and they are supposed to be the richest country in Europe. we are in this position because Westminster supported Banker fraud, and sends money to countries other than ours, overall the UK gets less than it puts in. I'm astounded and saddened people are defending the fact we are all beggars and need to maintain that. For goodness sake it is BECAUSE Europeans are flooding this country taking bread from our mouths, we are forced to beg for it, then defending the fact they bought us off with £70, that's the real deal.... for them.
Of course the money brought in from membership of the eu increases trade and jobs, thats why we're better off by £70 per person. if it didn't increase trade or jobs, we'd be worse of by £X per person.

you recognise that it was the banks as well as how westminster spent our money (" to contries other than ours") that helped crash our economy, yet you seem to have a huge problem with europe?

we need to get our own house in order!
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: It is said the euro gives every person in Wales £70 each,far above anything the UK/wales pays in. I agree the euro has to go, but we need something in place when that cash dries up and England succeeds is halving what we get now. We've been too long with the hands out begging, time to step up to the plate. However Labour says welsh futures are still with the Euro, God help us all, time to cut the chord....... Europeans should mind European business and laws and leave us out of it, it aint worth it for £70, I'll give them £70 to go away and play silly beggars with someone else.[/p][/quote]What you've basically said there, is even though we are financially better off being a part of the EU (which we are), you'd rather we paid to leave. We've got usage of food banks exploding, a record housing shortage, huge levels of unemployment (especially among the young) and people choosing between heating their homes or feeding their kids. The only people playing silly beggars are the anti-europe brigade.[/p][/quote]We cannot be equal partners in Europe as beggars. There is no 'advantage' from Brussels that way, or any from London either, all you advocate is more of the same... None of that money gives anyone a job,none of it increases trade. Germany runs food parcels too, and they are supposed to be the richest country in Europe. we are in this position because Westminster supported Banker fraud, and sends money to countries other than ours, overall the UK gets less than it puts in. I'm astounded and saddened people are defending the fact we are all beggars and need to maintain that. For goodness sake it is BECAUSE Europeans are flooding this country taking bread from our mouths, we are forced to beg for it, then defending the fact they bought us off with £70, that's the real deal.... for them.[/p][/quote]Of course the money brought in from membership of the eu increases trade and jobs, thats why we're better off by £70 per person. if it didn't increase trade or jobs, we'd be worse of by £X per person. you recognise that it was the banks as well as how westminster spent our money ("[sending it] to contries other than ours") that helped crash our economy, yet you seem to have a huge problem with europe? we need to get our own house in order! whatintheworld
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10:27am Wed 19 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

Of course we do, that starts with an end to accepting handouts. And saying thanks but no thanks to Europeans telling us how to live our lives, stop the begging they have no argument to use at us. Keep ';em lean' keep 'em mean, not just Tory policy !
Of course we do, that starts with an end to accepting handouts. And saying thanks but no thanks to Europeans telling us how to live our lives, stop the begging they have no argument to use at us. Keep ';em lean' keep 'em mean, not just Tory policy ! Mervyn James
  • Score: -3

10:52am Wed 19 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

I totally agree with Ms Reding, the British, thanks to the often ludicrous lack of proper information from our elitist leaderships(all are as bad as each other, we know better than you lot, and we will tell you what's good for you) are indeed ignorant, and probably too ignorant to actually know what is implied and involved in any future referendum on our membership of the EU.

Well before any such we should demand our governments provide full disclosure so that we cease being ignorant, and become therefore capable and able to form a proper understanding.
Then we can either accept or reject on the basis of complete compehension, and put aside this ridiculous stance we are taking, which has no satisfactory foundation, because we ARE ignorant as the woman says,
I totally agree with Ms Reding, the British, thanks to the often ludicrous lack of proper information from our elitist leaderships(all are as bad as each other, we know better than you lot, and we will tell you what's good for you) are indeed ignorant, and probably too ignorant to actually know what is implied and involved in any future referendum on our membership of the EU. Well before any such we should demand our governments provide full disclosure so that we cease being ignorant, and become therefore capable and able to form a proper understanding. Then we can either accept or reject on the basis of complete compehension, and put aside this ridiculous stance we are taking, which has no satisfactory foundation, because we ARE ignorant as the woman says, varteg1
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4:30pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

What a disgrace that woman is....

There is nothing more ignorant than to label an entire country as being ignorant, indeed it is quite the reverse. The more that EU laws that are rubber stamped by our elected scumbags affect our lives the less we like it. That is the opposite of ignorance, it is informed opinion based upon experience.

Whether it be uncontrolled, mass, immigration, the congestion that this causes, the ridiculous restrictions put upon our binmen, the prospect of power cuts, the deliberate flooding of Somerset or the restrictions put on us trading with the rest of the world. The EU has more than a hand in all of these issues and only UKIP can tackle them.

That is why we are the fastest growing political party of the last century, and the best regarded.

Join us Ann, and help to make the UK a better place.

www.ukipnewport.com
What a disgrace that woman is.... There is nothing more ignorant than to label an entire country as being ignorant, indeed it is quite the reverse. The more that EU laws that are rubber stamped by our elected scumbags affect our lives the less we like it. That is the opposite of ignorance, it is informed opinion based upon experience. Whether it be uncontrolled, mass, immigration, the congestion that this causes, the ridiculous restrictions put upon our binmen, the prospect of power cuts, the deliberate flooding of Somerset or the restrictions put on us trading with the rest of the world. The EU has more than a hand in all of these issues and only UKIP can tackle them. That is why we are the fastest growing political party of the last century, and the best regarded. Join us Ann, and help to make the UK a better place. www.ukipnewport.com Spinflight
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4:36pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

Spinflight wrote:
What a disgrace that woman is....

There is nothing more ignorant than to label an entire country as being ignorant, indeed it is quite the reverse. The more that EU laws that are rubber stamped by our elected scumbags affect our lives the less we like it. That is the opposite of ignorance, it is informed opinion based upon experience.

Whether it be uncontrolled, mass, immigration, the congestion that this causes, the ridiculous restrictions put upon our binmen, the prospect of power cuts, the deliberate flooding of Somerset or the restrictions put on us trading with the rest of the world. The EU has more than a hand in all of these issues and only UKIP can tackle them.

That is why we are the fastest growing political party of the last century, and the best regarded.

Join us Ann, and help to make the UK a better place.

www.ukipnewport.com
Latest ITV Wales Poll puts UKIP in second place in Wales
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: What a disgrace that woman is.... There is nothing more ignorant than to label an entire country as being ignorant, indeed it is quite the reverse. The more that EU laws that are rubber stamped by our elected scumbags affect our lives the less we like it. That is the opposite of ignorance, it is informed opinion based upon experience. Whether it be uncontrolled, mass, immigration, the congestion that this causes, the ridiculous restrictions put upon our binmen, the prospect of power cuts, the deliberate flooding of Somerset or the restrictions put on us trading with the rest of the world. The EU has more than a hand in all of these issues and only UKIP can tackle them. That is why we are the fastest growing political party of the last century, and the best regarded. Join us Ann, and help to make the UK a better place. www.ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]Latest ITV Wales Poll puts UKIP in second place in Wales Bobevans
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6:21pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

Bobevans wrote:
Spinflight wrote:
What a disgrace that woman is....

There is nothing more ignorant than to label an entire country as being ignorant, indeed it is quite the reverse. The more that EU laws that are rubber stamped by our elected scumbags affect our lives the less we like it. That is the opposite of ignorance, it is informed opinion based upon experience.

Whether it be uncontrolled, mass, immigration, the congestion that this causes, the ridiculous restrictions put upon our binmen, the prospect of power cuts, the deliberate flooding of Somerset or the restrictions put on us trading with the rest of the world. The EU has more than a hand in all of these issues and only UKIP can tackle them.

That is why we are the fastest growing political party of the last century, and the best regarded.

Join us Ann, and help to make the UK a better place.

www.ukipnewport.com
Latest ITV Wales Poll puts UKIP in second place in Wales
Thats ONE poll on ONE issue ie : the European Elections. All the other polls have them the Tories and Plaid, and most behind the Lib Dems. Nice try Bobby Boy, but no cigar.

A more meaningful poll is this one

Westminster – CON 21%, LAB 46%, LDEM 8%, Plaid 12%, UKIP 10%

source : http://ukpollingrepo
rt.co.uk
/blog/archives/categ
ory/wales

In terms of seats for Westminster equals NIL, ZERO, NOUT

Come back when you've won something that matters
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: What a disgrace that woman is.... There is nothing more ignorant than to label an entire country as being ignorant, indeed it is quite the reverse. The more that EU laws that are rubber stamped by our elected scumbags affect our lives the less we like it. That is the opposite of ignorance, it is informed opinion based upon experience. Whether it be uncontrolled, mass, immigration, the congestion that this causes, the ridiculous restrictions put upon our binmen, the prospect of power cuts, the deliberate flooding of Somerset or the restrictions put on us trading with the rest of the world. The EU has more than a hand in all of these issues and only UKIP can tackle them. That is why we are the fastest growing political party of the last century, and the best regarded. Join us Ann, and help to make the UK a better place. www.ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]Latest ITV Wales Poll puts UKIP in second place in Wales[/p][/quote]Thats ONE poll on ONE issue ie : the European Elections. All the other polls have them the Tories and Plaid, and most behind the Lib Dems. Nice try Bobby Boy, but no cigar. A more meaningful poll is this one Westminster – CON 21%, LAB 46%, LDEM 8%, Plaid 12%, UKIP 10% source : http://ukpollingrepo rt.co.uk /blog/archives/categ ory/wales In terms of seats for Westminster equals NIL, ZERO, NOUT Come back when you've won something that matters Mr Angry
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6:33pm Wed 19 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

Spinflight wrote:
What a disgrace that woman is....

There is nothing more ignorant than to label an entire country as being ignorant, indeed it is quite the reverse. The more that EU laws that are rubber stamped by our elected scumbags affect our lives the less we like it. That is the opposite of ignorance, it is informed opinion based upon experience.

Whether it be uncontrolled, mass, immigration, the congestion that this causes, the ridiculous restrictions put upon our binmen, the prospect of power cuts, the deliberate flooding of Somerset or the restrictions put on us trading with the rest of the world. The EU has more than a hand in all of these issues and only UKIP can tackle them.

That is why we are the fastest growing political party of the last century, and the best regarded.

Join us Ann, and help to make the UK a better place.

www.ukipnewport.com
And that dear readers is the mind set of UKIP.

Allegations based on what sort of information please do tell.

If rules are made, they apply across the whole 500 millions of Europe, not just the UK, and believe it or not, (your choice), our governments for the last 50 years have signed up and agreed that is the way forward. Not only that but a goodly proportion of us have voted more than once to remain as part of the EU,. again tough if you cannot abide the result of those elections.

It does show that enough have studied what is there to realise we are on a hiding to nothing if we ever did a reverse and pulled out.

So whilst I agree with comments regarding the 'ignorance' of the British public in the matter of Europe, at least some are not in that tranche who I suppose form a great part of UKIP membership and tacit support.
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: What a disgrace that woman is.... There is nothing more ignorant than to label an entire country as being ignorant, indeed it is quite the reverse. The more that EU laws that are rubber stamped by our elected scumbags affect our lives the less we like it. That is the opposite of ignorance, it is informed opinion based upon experience. Whether it be uncontrolled, mass, immigration, the congestion that this causes, the ridiculous restrictions put upon our binmen, the prospect of power cuts, the deliberate flooding of Somerset or the restrictions put on us trading with the rest of the world. The EU has more than a hand in all of these issues and only UKIP can tackle them. That is why we are the fastest growing political party of the last century, and the best regarded. Join us Ann, and help to make the UK a better place. www.ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]And that dear readers is the mind set of UKIP. Allegations based on what sort of information please do tell. If rules are made, they apply across the whole 500 millions of Europe, not just the UK, and believe it or not, (your choice), our governments for the last 50 years have signed up and agreed that is the way forward. Not only that but a goodly proportion of us have voted more than once to remain as part of the EU,. again tough if you cannot abide the result of those elections. It does show that enough have studied what is there to realise we are on a hiding to nothing if we ever did a reverse and pulled out. So whilst I agree with comments regarding the 'ignorance' of the British public in the matter of Europe, at least some are not in that tranche who I suppose form a great part of UKIP membership and tacit support. varteg1
  • Score: -1

7:15pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

You have got to admire the intelligence of the average UKIP voter - they increase Labour's majority in Wythenshawe and Sale and consider it a great victory!
You have got to admire the intelligence of the average UKIP voter - they increase Labour's majority in Wythenshawe and Sale and consider it a great victory! Mr Angry
  • Score: -3

7:49pm Wed 19 Feb 14

blackandamber says...

If rules are made, they apply across the whole 500 millions of Europe, not just the UK, and believe it or not, (your choice), our governments for the last 50 years have signed up and agreed that is the way forward. Not only that but a goodly proportion of us have voted more than once to remain as part of the EU,. again tough if you cannot abide the result of those elections.

We the electorate have only had one vote on Europe. We voted to sign up to join a trading block in I think 1973. Since then various traitors Blair, Brown have signed us into evermore into a federal and largely unelected European superstate which only Herr Hitler could have dreamed of even in his wildest fantasies. So please people of Great Britain wake up to what is happening to us and let us take back OUR country, OUR way of life, Our laws and OUR borders.
If rules are made, they apply across the whole 500 millions of Europe, not just the UK, and believe it or not, (your choice), our governments for the last 50 years have signed up and agreed that is the way forward. Not only that but a goodly proportion of us have voted more than once to remain as part of the EU,. again tough if you cannot abide the result of those elections. We the electorate have only had one vote on Europe. We voted to sign up to join a trading block in I think 1973. Since then various traitors Blair, Brown have signed us into evermore into a federal and largely unelected European superstate which only Herr Hitler could have dreamed of even in his wildest fantasies. So please people of Great Britain wake up to what is happening to us and let us take back OUR country, OUR way of life, Our laws and OUR borders. blackandamber
  • Score: 3

9:17pm Wed 19 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

blackandamber wrote:
If rules are made, they apply across the whole 500 millions of Europe, not just the UK, and believe it or not, (your choice), our governments for the last 50 years have signed up and agreed that is the way forward. Not only that but a goodly proportion of us have voted more than once to remain as part of the EU,. again tough if you cannot abide the result of those elections.

We the electorate have only had one vote on Europe. We voted to sign up to join a trading block in I think 1973. Since then various traitors Blair, Brown have signed us into evermore into a federal and largely unelected European superstate which only Herr Hitler could have dreamed of even in his wildest fantasies. So please people of Great Britain wake up to what is happening to us and let us take back OUR country, OUR way of life, Our laws and OUR borders.
Quote.....
We the electorate have only had one vote on Europe. We voted to sign up to join a trading block in I think 1973. Since then various traitors Blair, Brown have signed us into evermore into a federal and largely unelected European superstate which only Herr Hitler could have dreamed of even in his wildest fantasies. So please people of Great Britain wake up to what is happening to us and let us take back OUR country, OUR way of life, Our laws and OUR borders.

We the electorate, under British parliamentary election rules,have had about five or six votes that could have been used to extricate us from the present EU situation we are embroiled in.

Each of those elections saw participating candidates call for us to leave, but as they were defeated, as future opponents will also be, I persist in saying we have returned governments time after time that support, one way or another, our continued membership of what is now the EU, and what will, in the near future become the Federal United States of Europe.

Insanely attempting to equate the present situation with what happened in Germany under the Nazi regime is totally childish, there is absolutely no comparison, as any investigative visit to the EU mainland can soon confirm.
There are differences admittedly, but they are in the main at state level for the ordinary citizen the differences are imperceptive..except to say, I see a far freer level of society, where there are not cameras on every building, where most continentals behave and generally keep to the rules, where, as in France one is not taxed to almost exclusion buy the state to do the meanest of things such as drive a car, where the health services are more than equal to our own much plauded NHS, where food is cheaper, fresher and offers a far wider range,
All in all, a situation we should be aiming to emulate not run away from.

If it was not for the manipulators of the wealth of our nation, we would have become part of the Eurozone, and joined the run up to accepting the Euro, instead of allowing the banking fraternity getting us to roll over and be shafted, the results of which are still resonating across the globe, ably assisted by the continued governmental failure to sort out that fraternity, and one can only be convinced that is for reasons of personal gain either during office or once they get thrown out and are forced to try earning a living for a change.,
Your remarks about 'borders' can be made only because of that gap between us and the continent. An unfortunate happenstance.
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: If rules are made, they apply across the whole 500 millions of Europe, not just the UK, and believe it or not, (your choice), our governments for the last 50 years have signed up and agreed that is the way forward. Not only that but a goodly proportion of us have voted more than once to remain as part of the EU,. again tough if you cannot abide the result of those elections. We the electorate have only had one vote on Europe. We voted to sign up to join a trading block in I think 1973. Since then various traitors Blair, Brown have signed us into evermore into a federal and largely unelected European superstate which only Herr Hitler could have dreamed of even in his wildest fantasies. So please people of Great Britain wake up to what is happening to us and let us take back OUR country, OUR way of life, Our laws and OUR borders.[/p][/quote]Quote..... We the electorate have only had one vote on Europe. We voted to sign up to join a trading block in I think 1973. Since then various traitors Blair, Brown have signed us into evermore into a federal and largely unelected European superstate which only Herr Hitler could have dreamed of even in his wildest fantasies. So please people of Great Britain wake up to what is happening to us and let us take back OUR country, OUR way of life, Our laws and OUR borders. We the electorate, under British parliamentary election rules,have had about five or six votes that could have been used to extricate us from the present EU situation we are embroiled in. Each of those elections saw participating candidates call for us to leave, but as they were defeated, as future opponents will also be, I persist in saying we have returned governments time after time that support, one way or another, our continued membership of what is now the EU, and what will, in the near future become the Federal United States of Europe. Insanely attempting to equate the present situation with what happened in Germany under the Nazi regime is totally childish, there is absolutely no comparison, as any investigative visit to the EU mainland can soon confirm. There are differences admittedly, but they are in the main at state level for the ordinary citizen the differences are imperceptive..except to say, I see a far freer level of society, where there are not cameras on every building, where most continentals behave and generally keep to the rules, where, as in France one is not taxed to almost exclusion buy the state to do the meanest of things such as drive a car, where the health services are more than equal to our own much plauded NHS, where food is cheaper, fresher and offers a far wider range, All in all, a situation we should be aiming to emulate not run away from. If it was not for the manipulators of the wealth of our nation, we would have become part of the Eurozone, and joined the run up to accepting the Euro, instead of allowing the banking fraternity getting us to roll over and be shafted, the results of which are still resonating across the globe, ably assisted by the continued governmental failure to sort out that fraternity, and one can only be convinced that is for reasons of personal gain either during office or once they get thrown out and are forced to try earning a living for a change., Your remarks about 'borders' can be made only because of that gap between us and the continent. An unfortunate happenstance. varteg1
  • Score: -1

9:22pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

I know a bit about Wythenshawe, as I was there.

Many of the constituents I talked to hadn't heard of UKIP before my door knock.

It was a fantastic result for us, trashing the subreptile tories and the libdems losing their deposit. As for labour's share of the vote, it was still down on 2005. It goes to show that if you live in a labour rotten borough a vote for the tories is a vote for Miliband. A vote for the libdems is worth less than a vote for the monster raving loonies ( as at least you'l get a laugh out of them) and a vote for labour just helps another expensive rubber stamp into parliament.

Only UKIP face up to the issues that matter, as we are the only ones who can do anything about them! The liblabcons have to crawl to Barosso or Reding to ask permission. They say no of course, the EU does not share power, or give it back.
I know a bit about Wythenshawe, as I was there. Many of the constituents I talked to hadn't heard of UKIP before my door knock. It was a fantastic result for us, trashing the subreptile tories and the libdems losing their deposit. As for labour's share of the vote, it was still down on 2005. It goes to show that if you live in a labour rotten borough a vote for the tories is a vote for Miliband. A vote for the libdems is worth less than a vote for the monster raving loonies ( as at least you'l get a laugh out of them) and a vote for labour just helps another expensive rubber stamp into parliament. Only UKIP face up to the issues that matter, as we are the only ones who can do anything about them! The liblabcons have to crawl to Barosso or Reding to ask permission. They say no of course, the EU does not share power, or give it back. Spinflight
  • Score: -1

10:14pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

Spinflight wrote:
I know a bit about Wythenshawe, as I was there.

Many of the constituents I talked to hadn't heard of UKIP before my door knock.

It was a fantastic result for us, trashing the subreptile tories and the libdems losing their deposit. As for labour's share of the vote, it was still down on 2005. It goes to show that if you live in a labour rotten borough a vote for the tories is a vote for Miliband. A vote for the libdems is worth less than a vote for the monster raving loonies ( as at least you'l get a laugh out of them) and a vote for labour just helps another expensive rubber stamp into parliament.

Only UKIP face up to the issues that matter, as we are the only ones who can do anything about them! The liblabcons have to crawl to Barosso or Reding to ask permission. They say no of course, the EU does not share power, or give it back.
As I said you have got to admire the intelligence of the average UKIP voter - they increase Labour's majority in Wythenshawe and Sale and consider it a great victory!
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: I know a bit about Wythenshawe, as I was there. Many of the constituents I talked to hadn't heard of UKIP before my door knock. It was a fantastic result for us, trashing the subreptile tories and the libdems losing their deposit. As for labour's share of the vote, it was still down on 2005. It goes to show that if you live in a labour rotten borough a vote for the tories is a vote for Miliband. A vote for the libdems is worth less than a vote for the monster raving loonies ( as at least you'l get a laugh out of them) and a vote for labour just helps another expensive rubber stamp into parliament. Only UKIP face up to the issues that matter, as we are the only ones who can do anything about them! The liblabcons have to crawl to Barosso or Reding to ask permission. They say no of course, the EU does not share power, or give it back.[/p][/quote]As I said you have got to admire the intelligence of the average UKIP voter - they increase Labour's majority in Wythenshawe and Sale and consider it a great victory! Mr Angry
  • Score: -3

10:22pm Wed 19 Feb 14

BobEvams2014 says...

blackandamber wrote:
If rules are made, they apply across the whole 500 millions of Europe, not just the UK, and believe it or not, (your choice), our governments for the last 50 years have signed up and agreed that is the way forward. Not only that but a goodly proportion of us have voted more than once to remain as part of the EU,. again tough if you cannot abide the result of those elections.

We the electorate have only had one vote on Europe. We voted to sign up to join a trading block in I think 1973. Since then various traitors Blair, Brown have signed us into evermore into a federal and largely unelected European superstate which only Herr Hitler could have dreamed of even in his wildest fantasies. So please people of Great Britain wake up to what is happening to us and let us take back OUR country, OUR way of life, Our laws and OUR borders.
Quite right !!! I read a report in the excellent Daily Sport newspaper , and it confirms that the EU have plans to execute the Queen and replace her with Angela Merkel. Buckingham Palace will be draped in Swaztikas and 10,000 Nazi Stormtroopers will goose step up the Mall. And worst of all Byern Munich will be allowed to play home games at Wembley
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: If rules are made, they apply across the whole 500 millions of Europe, not just the UK, and believe it or not, (your choice), our governments for the last 50 years have signed up and agreed that is the way forward. Not only that but a goodly proportion of us have voted more than once to remain as part of the EU,. again tough if you cannot abide the result of those elections. We the electorate have only had one vote on Europe. We voted to sign up to join a trading block in I think 1973. Since then various traitors Blair, Brown have signed us into evermore into a federal and largely unelected European superstate which only Herr Hitler could have dreamed of even in his wildest fantasies. So please people of Great Britain wake up to what is happening to us and let us take back OUR country, OUR way of life, Our laws and OUR borders.[/p][/quote]Quite right !!! I read a report in the excellent Daily Sport newspaper , and it confirms that the EU have plans to execute the Queen and replace her with Angela Merkel. Buckingham Palace will be draped in Swaztikas and 10,000 Nazi Stormtroopers will goose step up the Mall. And worst of all Byern Munich will be allowed to play home games at Wembley BobEvams2014
  • Score: 1

1:29pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

"If rules are made, they apply across the whole 500 millions of Europe, not just the UK"

Except that we appear to be the only country that obeys them, indeed our wonderfully scumbaggy liblabcons gold plate them and then rubber stamp them into our own law.

Those same 500 million all have the right to reside here, to claim benefits, to have their children schooled all at our expense.

With Europe's economy as a whole down the toilet due to the restrictions imposed upon world trade by the EU things are only going to get worse.

This country will not know true prosperity until the sham car boot sale of EU mandated trade is lifted.
"If rules are made, they apply across the whole 500 millions of Europe, not just the UK" Except that we appear to be the only country that obeys them, indeed our wonderfully scumbaggy liblabcons gold plate them and then rubber stamp them into our own law. Those same 500 million all have the right to reside here, to claim benefits, to have their children schooled all at our expense. With Europe's economy as a whole down the toilet due to the restrictions imposed upon world trade by the EU things are only going to get worse. This country will not know true prosperity until the sham car boot sale of EU mandated trade is lifted. Spinflight
  • Score: 0

6:24pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

Yes you are right 500 MILLION, people are entitled to come here. They are also entitled to go anywhere else in the EU if they want to , lets be realistic - a hard concept for UKIP to understand I know, but let's try. It is extremely unlikely that all 500 Million would want to settle all in one particular Country, Germany France Spain or UK .
Yes you are right 500 MILLION, people are entitled to come here. They are also entitled to go anywhere else in the EU if they want to , lets be realistic - a hard concept for UKIP to understand I know, but let's try. It is extremely unlikely that all 500 Million would want to settle all in one particular Country, Germany France Spain or UK . Mr Angry
  • Score: 0

7:25pm Thu 20 Feb 14

blackandamber says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Yes you are right 500 MILLION, people are entitled to come here. They are also entitled to go anywhere else in the EU if they want to , lets be realistic - a hard concept for UKIP to understand I know, but let's try. It is extremely unlikely that all 500 Million would want to settle all in one particular Country, Germany France Spain or UK .
Well how about you and me going to, lets say the south of France. We will turn up with no money in our pockets but as EU citizens they will have to provide us with some surely. Then somewhere to live nothing to ostentatious but a sea view would be nice. Next a free interpreter service as neither of us can speak French so we will be able to access all those lovely tax payer funded benefits. Give me a bell and we 'll go down and see how we get on. Fancy our chances.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Yes you are right 500 MILLION, people are entitled to come here. They are also entitled to go anywhere else in the EU if they want to , lets be realistic - a hard concept for UKIP to understand I know, but let's try. It is extremely unlikely that all 500 Million would want to settle all in one particular Country, Germany France Spain or UK .[/p][/quote]Well how about you and me going to, lets say the south of France. We will turn up with no money in our pockets but as EU citizens they will have to provide us with some surely. Then somewhere to live nothing to ostentatious but a sea view would be nice. Next a free interpreter service as neither of us can speak French so we will be able to access all those lovely tax payer funded benefits. Give me a bell and we 'll go down and see how we get on. Fancy our chances. blackandamber
  • Score: 2

8:10pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

blackandamber wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Yes you are right 500 MILLION, people are entitled to come here. They are also entitled to go anywhere else in the EU if they want to , lets be realistic - a hard concept for UKIP to understand I know, but let's try. It is extremely unlikely that all 500 Million would want to settle all in one particular Country, Germany France Spain or UK .
Well how about you and me going to, lets say the south of France. We will turn up with no money in our pockets but as EU citizens they will have to provide us with some surely. Then somewhere to live nothing to ostentatious but a sea view would be nice. Next a free interpreter service as neither of us can speak French so we will be able to access all those lovely tax payer funded benefits. Give me a bell and we 'll go down and see how we get on. Fancy our chances.
Not the point i was making
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Yes you are right 500 MILLION, people are entitled to come here. They are also entitled to go anywhere else in the EU if they want to , lets be realistic - a hard concept for UKIP to understand I know, but let's try. It is extremely unlikely that all 500 Million would want to settle all in one particular Country, Germany France Spain or UK .[/p][/quote]Well how about you and me going to, lets say the south of France. We will turn up with no money in our pockets but as EU citizens they will have to provide us with some surely. Then somewhere to live nothing to ostentatious but a sea view would be nice. Next a free interpreter service as neither of us can speak French so we will be able to access all those lovely tax payer funded benefits. Give me a bell and we 'll go down and see how we get on. Fancy our chances.[/p][/quote]Not the point i was making Mr Angry
  • Score: -1

10:54pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

I suspect those who have moved once are likely to again Mr Angry...

So with the EU economy down the toilet all those millions who have, as you rightly said, gone to Germany, France or Spain are now likely to be wondering if there isn't somewhere better...
I suspect those who have moved once are likely to again Mr Angry... So with the EU economy down the toilet all those millions who have, as you rightly said, gone to Germany, France or Spain are now likely to be wondering if there isn't somewhere better... Spinflight
  • Score: 0

7:56pm Sat 22 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

blackandamber wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Yes you are right 500 MILLION, people are entitled to come here. They are also entitled to go anywhere else in the EU if they want to , lets be realistic - a hard concept for UKIP to understand I know, but let's try. It is extremely unlikely that all 500 Million would want to settle all in one particular Country, Germany France Spain or UK .
Well how about you and me going to, lets say the south of France. We will turn up with no money in our pockets but as EU citizens they will have to provide us with some surely. Then somewhere to live nothing to ostentatious but a sea view would be nice. Next a free interpreter service as neither of us can speak French so we will be able to access all those lovely tax payer funded benefits. Give me a bell and we 'll go down and see how we get on. Fancy our chances.
I admit to being ignorant of what the laws on provision of interpreters is in the south of France, but despite making some investigation, I can see no EU or Human Rights regulation that call for such to be provided anywhere in the EU.

In fact, I am led to believe that all the interpretation services are provided here in the UK at the volition of British administrations, councils etc. Something they do because it suits their constant empire building drives.

Most of what is claimed by the anti EU brigade turn out to be false claims as I see it. Especially when the ECHR is involved, which, as is often pointed out, is not an EU matter, as it was founded by European countries including the UK long before the EU came in to existence.
By far the greater number of immigrants to the UK come (on a permanent basis) from ex colonial locations, with Pakistan providing most.

Many who do come here from within the EU, as is their legal right under the terms of our membership, as ours can go anywhere else in the EU by the same rules and regulations, stay a while then reverse to their own or to other EU states.
Our sub continent immigrants however, come to stay, we provide interpretation facilities because that is the way THIS state has decided we should, not because the EU has stipulated it.
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Yes you are right 500 MILLION, people are entitled to come here. They are also entitled to go anywhere else in the EU if they want to , lets be realistic - a hard concept for UKIP to understand I know, but let's try. It is extremely unlikely that all 500 Million would want to settle all in one particular Country, Germany France Spain or UK .[/p][/quote]Well how about you and me going to, lets say the south of France. We will turn up with no money in our pockets but as EU citizens they will have to provide us with some surely. Then somewhere to live nothing to ostentatious but a sea view would be nice. Next a free interpreter service as neither of us can speak French so we will be able to access all those lovely tax payer funded benefits. Give me a bell and we 'll go down and see how we get on. Fancy our chances.[/p][/quote]I admit to being ignorant of what the laws on provision of interpreters is in the south of France, but despite making some investigation, I can see no EU or Human Rights regulation that call for such to be provided anywhere in the EU. In fact, I am led to believe that all the interpretation services are provided here in the UK at the volition of British administrations, councils etc. Something they do because it suits their constant empire building drives. Most of what is claimed by the anti EU brigade turn out to be false claims as I see it. Especially when the ECHR is involved, which, as is often pointed out, is not an EU matter, as it was founded by European countries including the UK long before the EU came in to existence. By far the greater number of immigrants to the UK come (on a permanent basis) from ex colonial locations, with Pakistan providing most. Many who do come here from within the EU, as is their legal right under the terms of our membership, as ours can go anywhere else in the EU by the same rules and regulations, stay a while then reverse to their own or to other EU states. Our sub continent immigrants however, come to stay, we provide interpretation facilities because that is the way THIS state has decided we should, not because the EU has stipulated it. varteg1
  • Score: -1

8:04pm Sat 22 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

blackandamber wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Yes you are right 500 MILLION, people are entitled to come here. They are also entitled to go anywhere else in the EU if they want to , lets be realistic - a hard concept for UKIP to understand I know, but let's try. It is extremely unlikely that all 500 Million would want to settle all in one particular Country, Germany France Spain or UK .
Well how about you and me going to, lets say the south of France. We will turn up with no money in our pockets but as EU citizens they will have to provide us with some surely. Then somewhere to live nothing to ostentatious but a sea view would be nice. Next a free interpreter service as neither of us can speak French so we will be able to access all those lovely tax payer funded benefits. Give me a bell and we 'll go down and see how we get on. Fancy our chances.
I am going to France next month, I will be staying with some friends, who due to momentary unemployment , are currently in receipt of benefits.

I will make it my task to use the offices of those friends to dis cover just what the rules actually are regarding the points you have raised, and will use whatever means there are on offer by the Argus letters to report back with what I discover.
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Yes you are right 500 MILLION, people are entitled to come here. They are also entitled to go anywhere else in the EU if they want to , lets be realistic - a hard concept for UKIP to understand I know, but let's try. It is extremely unlikely that all 500 Million would want to settle all in one particular Country, Germany France Spain or UK .[/p][/quote]Well how about you and me going to, lets say the south of France. We will turn up with no money in our pockets but as EU citizens they will have to provide us with some surely. Then somewhere to live nothing to ostentatious but a sea view would be nice. Next a free interpreter service as neither of us can speak French so we will be able to access all those lovely tax payer funded benefits. Give me a bell and we 'll go down and see how we get on. Fancy our chances.[/p][/quote]I am going to France next month, I will be staying with some friends, who due to momentary unemployment , are currently in receipt of benefits. I will make it my task to use the offices of those friends to dis cover just what the rules actually are regarding the points you have raised, and will use whatever means there are on offer by the Argus letters to report back with what I discover. varteg1
  • Score: -1

8:25pm Sat 22 Feb 14

blackandamber says...

varteg1 wrote:
blackandamber wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Yes you are right 500 MILLION, people are entitled to come here. They are also entitled to go anywhere else in the EU if they want to , lets be realistic - a hard concept for UKIP to understand I know, but let's try. It is extremely unlikely that all 500 Million would want to settle all in one particular Country, Germany France Spain or UK .
Well how about you and me going to, lets say the south of France. We will turn up with no money in our pockets but as EU citizens they will have to provide us with some surely. Then somewhere to live nothing to ostentatious but a sea view would be nice. Next a free interpreter service as neither of us can speak French so we will be able to access all those lovely tax payer funded benefits. Give me a bell and we 'll go down and see how we get on. Fancy our chances.
I am going to France next month, I will be staying with some friends, who due to momentary unemployment , are currently in receipt of benefits.

I will make it my task to use the offices of those friends to dis cover just what the rules actually are regarding the points you have raised, and will use whatever means there are on offer by the Argus letters to report back with what I discover.
Bonne chance mon ami, mais je parie que vous n'obtenez pas une chambre avec vue sur la mer.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Yes you are right 500 MILLION, people are entitled to come here. They are also entitled to go anywhere else in the EU if they want to , lets be realistic - a hard concept for UKIP to understand I know, but let's try. It is extremely unlikely that all 500 Million would want to settle all in one particular Country, Germany France Spain or UK .[/p][/quote]Well how about you and me going to, lets say the south of France. We will turn up with no money in our pockets but as EU citizens they will have to provide us with some surely. Then somewhere to live nothing to ostentatious but a sea view would be nice. Next a free interpreter service as neither of us can speak French so we will be able to access all those lovely tax payer funded benefits. Give me a bell and we 'll go down and see how we get on. Fancy our chances.[/p][/quote]I am going to France next month, I will be staying with some friends, who due to momentary unemployment , are currently in receipt of benefits. I will make it my task to use the offices of those friends to dis cover just what the rules actually are regarding the points you have raised, and will use whatever means there are on offer by the Argus letters to report back with what I discover.[/p][/quote]Bonne chance mon ami, mais je parie que vous n'obtenez pas une chambre avec vue sur la mer. blackandamber
  • Score: 1

3:58am Sun 23 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

"I will make it my task to use the offices of those friends to dis cover just what the rules actually are regarding the points you have raised, and will use whatever means there are on offer by the Argus letters to report back with what I discover."

I couldn't wait any longer, holding my breath was starting to hurt, so I thought I'd write it for you...

"The EU is wonderful and benevolent, the rivers flow with chocolate and the orphans dance in the streets chanting Barosso's name. He is their hero and father figure who brings wisdom and light to a previously dark continent. The harvests get better every year, the number of tractors manufactured increases,......"
"I will make it my task to use the offices of those friends to dis cover just what the rules actually are regarding the points you have raised, and will use whatever means there are on offer by the Argus letters to report back with what I discover." I couldn't wait any longer, holding my breath was starting to hurt, so I thought I'd write it for you... "The EU is wonderful and benevolent, the rivers flow with chocolate and the orphans dance in the streets chanting Barosso's name. He is their hero and father figure who brings wisdom and light to a previously dark continent. The harvests get better every year, the number of tractors manufactured increases,......" Spinflight
  • Score: 0

8:15pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

There is nothing for it, we'll have to nuke Brussels.... Make it December we'll need the sprouts then.....
There is nothing for it, we'll have to nuke Brussels.... Make it December we'll need the sprouts then..... Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

6:56pm Mon 24 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

Spinflight wrote:
"I will make it my task to use the offices of those friends to dis cover just what the rules actually are regarding the points you have raised, and will use whatever means there are on offer by the Argus letters to report back with what I discover."

I couldn't wait any longer, holding my breath was starting to hurt, so I thought I'd write it for you...

"The EU is wonderful and benevolent, the rivers flow with chocolate and the orphans dance in the streets chanting Barosso's name. He is their hero and father figure who brings wisdom and light to a previously dark continent. The harvests get better every year, the number of tractors manufactured increases,......"
I guess sarcasm is the only way you can respond.

But as stated by Oscar Wilde ....." sarcasm is the lowest form of human wit!"

Have you any other jewels of inane rhetoric to impart., or was that your one shot?
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: "I will make it my task to use the offices of those friends to dis cover just what the rules actually are regarding the points you have raised, and will use whatever means there are on offer by the Argus letters to report back with what I discover." I couldn't wait any longer, holding my breath was starting to hurt, so I thought I'd write it for you... "The EU is wonderful and benevolent, the rivers flow with chocolate and the orphans dance in the streets chanting Barosso's name. He is their hero and father figure who brings wisdom and light to a previously dark continent. The harvests get better every year, the number of tractors manufactured increases,......"[/p][/quote]I guess sarcasm is the only way you can respond. But as stated by Oscar Wilde ....." sarcasm is the lowest form of human wit!" Have you any other jewels of inane rhetoric to impart., or was that your one shot? varteg1
  • Score: 1

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