Goodbye Clegg

First published in Letters

I SEE in the media, reports that the Lib-Dem party leader Clegg is putting feelers out to join Ed Miliband in another coalition. I say to Ed Miliband, do not fall for this man’s idea, hold your nerve and stick to your manifesto and your promises.

You do not need the Lib-Dems, if you be honest and stand by your word you will win the next election, with a hundred-seat majority, as a standalone party, that the people of Britain are crying out for in their dire need the unbearable yoke, that has been put upon the people by the Tories must be swept away, with a resounding Labour victory.

Hopefully after the next election the Lib-Dems will be an extinct party and good riddance to them.

Mr C P Robins Esq Pontymister Gwent

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5:15pm Tue 25 Feb 14

welshmen says...

Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian...

I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....
Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian... I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free.... welshmen
  • Score: 5

7:58pm Tue 25 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

welshmen wrote:
Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian...

I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....
And with that diatribe of vindictiveness suggest welshman for PM.

Labour may not be everyone's idea of a governing party,but I bet you don't need any of the support funding and other mechanisms that without Labour placing them to your advantage if not yourself, many of your less well off relatives would be in deep mire socially and economically. Would you take up the strain of looking after them, could you .with your... everyman for himself... attitude, afford it?
Our system has generally embraced the principle of looking after the less well off and otherwise deprived, but nasty little Nazi;'s like you would never
have established the welfare and benefits systems that are now quite common across the first world.
No. what you would like to see is the phony and failed mantra of the far right once again being chanted, the wealth made by the rich seeps down for all to benefit.

It never worked, and thus a large degree of compulsion has to be employed, the right will not voluntarily ensure the wealth is more evenly and fairly spread, hence we need thy labour movement, with all it's faults and drawbacks, to assume the mantle of enforcer from time to time.

Thankfully, our history has well placed the vast majority to realise this, and when any government gets to far one way, the electorate takes a turn in the opposite direction.

So do carry on with you malicious propaganda for the Nasty right wing, the more your post on these blogs the greater the swing away as people become infatuated with an abhorrence of your rhetoric.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian... I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....[/p][/quote]And with that diatribe of vindictiveness suggest welshman for PM. Labour may not be everyone's idea of a governing party,but I bet you don't need any of the support funding and other mechanisms that without Labour placing them to your advantage if not yourself, many of your less well off relatives would be in deep mire socially and economically. Would you take up the strain of looking after them, could you .with your... everyman for himself... attitude, afford it? Our system has generally embraced the principle of looking after the less well off and otherwise deprived, but nasty little Nazi;'s like you would never have established the welfare and benefits systems that are now quite common across the first world. No. what you would like to see is the phony and failed mantra of the far right once again being chanted, the wealth made by the rich seeps down for all to benefit. It never worked, and thus a large degree of compulsion has to be employed, the right will not voluntarily ensure the wealth is more evenly and fairly spread, hence we need thy labour movement, with all it's faults and drawbacks, to assume the mantle of enforcer from time to time. Thankfully, our history has well placed the vast majority to realise this, and when any government gets to far one way, the electorate takes a turn in the opposite direction. So do carry on with you malicious propaganda for the Nasty right wing, the more your post on these blogs the greater the swing away as people become infatuated with an abhorrence of your rhetoric. varteg1
  • Score: -4

9:04pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

Labour will get back in Wales or, I'll have to emigrate if the Tories do ! Like yourself I cannot abide people that read the S*n,daily Wail, or Telegraph, they are weirdos, and bullies all of them....when they aren't hacking our phones and computers.....
Labour will get back in Wales or, I'll have to emigrate if the Tories do ! Like yourself I cannot abide people that read the S*n,daily Wail, or Telegraph, they are weirdos, and bullies all of them....when they aren't hacking our phones and computers..... Mervyn James
  • Score: -4

9:44am Wed 26 Feb 14

Realist UK says...

Labour & Conservative, two cheeks of the same backside. Neither party have taken consideration of the electorates fears regarding immigration etc. All of them want to integrate further into Europe so that we're governed by unelected beureaucrats in Brussels. Any vote for these two is a vote for an undemocratic European Government.
Labour & Conservative, two cheeks of the same backside. Neither party have taken consideration of the electorates fears regarding immigration etc. All of them want to integrate further into Europe so that we're governed by unelected beureaucrats in Brussels. Any vote for these two is a vote for an undemocratic European Government. Realist UK
  • Score: 4

4:52pm Wed 26 Feb 14

welshmen says...

varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian...

I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....
And with that diatribe of vindictiveness suggest welshman for PM.

Labour may not be everyone's idea of a governing party,but I bet you don't need any of the support funding and other mechanisms that without Labour placing them to your advantage if not yourself, many of your less well off relatives would be in deep mire socially and economically. Would you take up the strain of looking after them, could you .with your... everyman for himself... attitude, afford it?
Our system has generally embraced the principle of looking after the less well off and otherwise deprived, but nasty little Nazi;'s like you would never
have established the welfare and benefits systems that are now quite common across the first world.
No. what you would like to see is the phony and failed mantra of the far right once again being chanted, the wealth made by the rich seeps down for all to benefit.

It never worked, and thus a large degree of compulsion has to be employed, the right will not voluntarily ensure the wealth is more evenly and fairly spread, hence we need thy labour movement, with all it's faults and drawbacks, to assume the mantle of enforcer from time to time.

Thankfully, our history has well placed the vast majority to realise this, and when any government gets to far one way, the electorate takes a turn in the opposite direction.

So do carry on with you malicious propaganda for the Nasty right wing, the more your post on these blogs the greater the swing away as people become infatuated with an abhorrence of your rhetoric.
vartag1
Insulting me and my posts are typical of the Liberal Left, first off, the NHS or our Medical welfare was founded by a Welshman Aneurin Bevan a Labour Party MP, today's Labour Party to which I posted on are nothing like Aneurin Bevan's party, the NHS was founded in 1948, it was funded out of general taxation to provide physical and mental health for the people of England and Wales, the key here is ENGLAND and WALES, not the rest of the world, same procedure for our DWP as it is now, the key word's again are ENGLAND, WALES, and now Scotland, not the rest of the world, what you and your kind forget is, the 1948 Labour Party might be the same in name but no where near the "New Labour Party" policies of today.

Your leader who is the son of a Russian Marxist is trying to skip from one bad policy to any other to try and get your traitorous Labour Party back in power, "GOD HELP US" if they ever do, how about Harriet Harman Jack Dromey Patricia Hewitt, and their appalling relationship with the serial child-abusers of the Paedophile Information Exchange(PIE) that,s Labour Party MP's, another custom of your Labour Party ££££, like her again Patricia Hewitt's record of becoming a highly-paid consultant for private medicine profiteers companies such as Cinven and Boots, after she had used her position as Health Minister to open up the NHS for their money-grabbing back-door takeovers, on top of that, having done so much to give BT the chance to make BILLIONS out of the criminally useless NHS computer scheme, Hewitt landed a £150.000-a-year consultancy post with, you guessed it! BT.

What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them.

Comrade Blair Comrade Brown Comrade Kinnock also made Millions off the British Taxpayer, Blair and Brown committed war crimes against humanity, NOT withstanding the Deaths of hundreds of British Soldiers sent to foreign wars that had NOTHING to do with this Country, in actual fact made more terrorist's wanting to kill us, I could go on, the Labour anthem KEEP the RED Flag Flying, say's it all really,You seem to spout out that I am for wealth for all regardless whether they work for it or not, have a look on www.bnp.org.uk check their policies, no such agenda free wealth for all.... you call me a Nazi I am not, you need to apologise, COMRADE....
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian... I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....[/p][/quote]And with that diatribe of vindictiveness suggest welshman for PM. Labour may not be everyone's idea of a governing party,but I bet you don't need any of the support funding and other mechanisms that without Labour placing them to your advantage if not yourself, many of your less well off relatives would be in deep mire socially and economically. Would you take up the strain of looking after them, could you .with your... everyman for himself... attitude, afford it? Our system has generally embraced the principle of looking after the less well off and otherwise deprived, but nasty little Nazi;'s like you would never have established the welfare and benefits systems that are now quite common across the first world. No. what you would like to see is the phony and failed mantra of the far right once again being chanted, the wealth made by the rich seeps down for all to benefit. It never worked, and thus a large degree of compulsion has to be employed, the right will not voluntarily ensure the wealth is more evenly and fairly spread, hence we need thy labour movement, with all it's faults and drawbacks, to assume the mantle of enforcer from time to time. Thankfully, our history has well placed the vast majority to realise this, and when any government gets to far one way, the electorate takes a turn in the opposite direction. So do carry on with you malicious propaganda for the Nasty right wing, the more your post on these blogs the greater the swing away as people become infatuated with an abhorrence of your rhetoric.[/p][/quote]vartag1 Insulting me and my posts are typical of the Liberal Left, first off, the NHS or our Medical welfare was founded by a Welshman Aneurin Bevan a Labour Party MP, today's Labour Party to which I posted on are nothing like Aneurin Bevan's party, the NHS was founded in 1948, it was funded out of general taxation to provide physical and mental health for the people of England and Wales, the key here is ENGLAND and WALES, not the rest of the world, same procedure for our DWP as it is now, the key word's again are ENGLAND, WALES, and now Scotland, not the rest of the world, what you and your kind forget is, the 1948 Labour Party might be the same in name but no where near the "New Labour Party" policies of today. Your leader who is the son of a Russian Marxist is trying to skip from one bad policy to any other to try and get your traitorous Labour Party back in power, "GOD HELP US" if they ever do, how about Harriet Harman Jack Dromey Patricia Hewitt, and their appalling relationship with the serial child-abusers of the Paedophile Information Exchange(PIE) that,s Labour Party MP's, another custom of your Labour Party ££££, like her again Patricia Hewitt's record of becoming a highly-paid consultant for private medicine profiteers companies such as Cinven and Boots, after she had used her position as Health Minister to open up the NHS for their money-grabbing back-door takeovers, on top of that, having done so much to give BT the chance to make BILLIONS out of the criminally useless NHS computer scheme, Hewitt landed a £150.000-a-year consultancy post with, you guessed it! BT. What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them. Comrade Blair Comrade Brown Comrade Kinnock also made Millions off the British Taxpayer, Blair and Brown committed war crimes against humanity, NOT withstanding the Deaths of hundreds of British Soldiers sent to foreign wars that had NOTHING to do with this Country, in actual fact made more terrorist's wanting to kill us, I could go on, the Labour anthem KEEP the RED Flag Flying, say's it all really,You seem to spout out that I am for wealth for all regardless whether they work for it or not, have a look on www.bnp.org.uk check their policies, no such agenda free wealth for all.... you call me a Nazi I am not, you need to apologise, COMRADE.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

9:48pm Wed 26 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian...

I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....
And with that diatribe of vindictiveness suggest welshman for PM.

Labour may not be everyone's idea of a governing party,but I bet you don't need any of the support funding and other mechanisms that without Labour placing them to your advantage if not yourself, many of your less well off relatives would be in deep mire socially and economically. Would you take up the strain of looking after them, could you .with your... everyman for himself... attitude, afford it?
Our system has generally embraced the principle of looking after the less well off and otherwise deprived, but nasty little Nazi;'s like you would never
have established the welfare and benefits systems that are now quite common across the first world.
No. what you would like to see is the phony and failed mantra of the far right once again being chanted, the wealth made by the rich seeps down for all to benefit.

It never worked, and thus a large degree of compulsion has to be employed, the right will not voluntarily ensure the wealth is more evenly and fairly spread, hence we need thy labour movement, with all it's faults and drawbacks, to assume the mantle of enforcer from time to time.

Thankfully, our history has well placed the vast majority to realise this, and when any government gets to far one way, the electorate takes a turn in the opposite direction.

So do carry on with you malicious propaganda for the Nasty right wing, the more your post on these blogs the greater the swing away as people become infatuated with an abhorrence of your rhetoric.
vartag1
Insulting me and my posts are typical of the Liberal Left, first off, the NHS or our Medical welfare was founded by a Welshman Aneurin Bevan a Labour Party MP, today's Labour Party to which I posted on are nothing like Aneurin Bevan's party, the NHS was founded in 1948, it was funded out of general taxation to provide physical and mental health for the people of England and Wales, the key here is ENGLAND and WALES, not the rest of the world, same procedure for our DWP as it is now, the key word's again are ENGLAND, WALES, and now Scotland, not the rest of the world, what you and your kind forget is, the 1948 Labour Party might be the same in name but no where near the "New Labour Party" policies of today.

Your leader who is the son of a Russian Marxist is trying to skip from one bad policy to any other to try and get your traitorous Labour Party back in power, "GOD HELP US" if they ever do, how about Harriet Harman Jack Dromey Patricia Hewitt, and their appalling relationship with the serial child-abusers of the Paedophile Information Exchange(PIE) that,s Labour Party MP's, another custom of your Labour Party ££££, like her again Patricia Hewitt's record of becoming a highly-paid consultant for private medicine profiteers companies such as Cinven and Boots, after she had used her position as Health Minister to open up the NHS for their money-grabbing back-door takeovers, on top of that, having done so much to give BT the chance to make BILLIONS out of the criminally useless NHS computer scheme, Hewitt landed a £150.000-a-year consultancy post with, you guessed it! BT.

What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them.

Comrade Blair Comrade Brown Comrade Kinnock also made Millions off the British Taxpayer, Blair and Brown committed war crimes against humanity, NOT withstanding the Deaths of hundreds of British Soldiers sent to foreign wars that had NOTHING to do with this Country, in actual fact made more terrorist's wanting to kill us, I could go on, the Labour anthem KEEP the RED Flag Flying, say's it all really,You seem to spout out that I am for wealth for all regardless whether they work for it or not, have a look on www.bnp.org.uk check their policies, no such agenda free wealth for all.... you call me a Nazi I am not, you need to apologise, COMRADE....
What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them.

and in that you expose your own support for the far right, as for A Bevan supporting that scum outfit, I suppose one that on e single principle ..yes, he may have, but the rest that lot support would be totally an anathema to him.

I don't disagree with your comments about Nu Labour in general, but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances,,
However, the basis of Labour in principle remains, individuals can be rightly castigated fore their incorrigible and irresponsible,corrup
t even,behaviour, unfortunately since certain factions managed to get positions of influence within the party it may take more than a decade or two to return the party to it's basic principles, and cause it to extricate it from the malign influences that for the last few decades have pervaded it.
Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian... I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....[/p][/quote]And with that diatribe of vindictiveness suggest welshman for PM. Labour may not be everyone's idea of a governing party,but I bet you don't need any of the support funding and other mechanisms that without Labour placing them to your advantage if not yourself, many of your less well off relatives would be in deep mire socially and economically. Would you take up the strain of looking after them, could you .with your... everyman for himself... attitude, afford it? Our system has generally embraced the principle of looking after the less well off and otherwise deprived, but nasty little Nazi;'s like you would never have established the welfare and benefits systems that are now quite common across the first world. No. what you would like to see is the phony and failed mantra of the far right once again being chanted, the wealth made by the rich seeps down for all to benefit. It never worked, and thus a large degree of compulsion has to be employed, the right will not voluntarily ensure the wealth is more evenly and fairly spread, hence we need thy labour movement, with all it's faults and drawbacks, to assume the mantle of enforcer from time to time. Thankfully, our history has well placed the vast majority to realise this, and when any government gets to far one way, the electorate takes a turn in the opposite direction. So do carry on with you malicious propaganda for the Nasty right wing, the more your post on these blogs the greater the swing away as people become infatuated with an abhorrence of your rhetoric.[/p][/quote]vartag1 Insulting me and my posts are typical of the Liberal Left, first off, the NHS or our Medical welfare was founded by a Welshman Aneurin Bevan a Labour Party MP, today's Labour Party to which I posted on are nothing like Aneurin Bevan's party, the NHS was founded in 1948, it was funded out of general taxation to provide physical and mental health for the people of England and Wales, the key here is ENGLAND and WALES, not the rest of the world, same procedure for our DWP as it is now, the key word's again are ENGLAND, WALES, and now Scotland, not the rest of the world, what you and your kind forget is, the 1948 Labour Party might be the same in name but no where near the "New Labour Party" policies of today. Your leader who is the son of a Russian Marxist is trying to skip from one bad policy to any other to try and get your traitorous Labour Party back in power, "GOD HELP US" if they ever do, how about Harriet Harman Jack Dromey Patricia Hewitt, and their appalling relationship with the serial child-abusers of the Paedophile Information Exchange(PIE) that,s Labour Party MP's, another custom of your Labour Party ££££, like her again Patricia Hewitt's record of becoming a highly-paid consultant for private medicine profiteers companies such as Cinven and Boots, after she had used her position as Health Minister to open up the NHS for their money-grabbing back-door takeovers, on top of that, having done so much to give BT the chance to make BILLIONS out of the criminally useless NHS computer scheme, Hewitt landed a £150.000-a-year consultancy post with, you guessed it! BT. What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them. Comrade Blair Comrade Brown Comrade Kinnock also made Millions off the British Taxpayer, Blair and Brown committed war crimes against humanity, NOT withstanding the Deaths of hundreds of British Soldiers sent to foreign wars that had NOTHING to do with this Country, in actual fact made more terrorist's wanting to kill us, I could go on, the Labour anthem KEEP the RED Flag Flying, say's it all really,You seem to spout out that I am for wealth for all regardless whether they work for it or not, have a look on www.bnp.org.uk check their policies, no such agenda free wealth for all.... you call me a Nazi I am not, you need to apologise, COMRADE....[/p][/quote]What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them. and in that you expose your own support for the far right, as for A Bevan supporting that scum outfit, I suppose one that on e single principle ..yes, he may have, but the rest that lot support would be totally an anathema to him. I don't disagree with your comments about Nu Labour in general, but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances,, However, the basis of Labour in principle remains, individuals can be rightly castigated fore their incorrigible and irresponsible,corrup t even,behaviour, unfortunately since certain factions managed to get positions of influence within the party it may take more than a decade or two to return the party to it's basic principles, and cause it to extricate it from the malign influences that for the last few decades have pervaded it. Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with. varteg1
  • Score: 0

8:22am Thu 27 Feb 14

scraptheWAG says...

the old labour crew make me laugh if the tories said free beer and free pack of fags a day you would all turn blue!! All labour voters are are a bunch of lazy scroungers
the old labour crew make me laugh if the tories said free beer and free pack of fags a day you would all turn blue!! All labour voters are are a bunch of lazy scroungers scraptheWAG
  • Score: -1

1:32pm Thu 27 Feb 14

welshmen says...

varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian...

I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....
And with that diatribe of vindictiveness suggest welshman for PM.

Labour may not be everyone's idea of a governing party,but I bet you don't need any of the support funding and other mechanisms that without Labour placing them to your advantage if not yourself, many of your less well off relatives would be in deep mire socially and economically. Would you take up the strain of looking after them, could you .with your... everyman for himself... attitude, afford it?
Our system has generally embraced the principle of looking after the less well off and otherwise deprived, but nasty little Nazi;'s like you would never
have established the welfare and benefits systems that are now quite common across the first world.
No. what you would like to see is the phony and failed mantra of the far right once again being chanted, the wealth made by the rich seeps down for all to benefit.

It never worked, and thus a large degree of compulsion has to be employed, the right will not voluntarily ensure the wealth is more evenly and fairly spread, hence we need thy labour movement, with all it's faults and drawbacks, to assume the mantle of enforcer from time to time.

Thankfully, our history has well placed the vast majority to realise this, and when any government gets to far one way, the electorate takes a turn in the opposite direction.

So do carry on with you malicious propaganda for the Nasty right wing, the more your post on these blogs the greater the swing away as people become infatuated with an abhorrence of your rhetoric.
vartag1
Insulting me and my posts are typical of the Liberal Left, first off, the NHS or our Medical welfare was founded by a Welshman Aneurin Bevan a Labour Party MP, today's Labour Party to which I posted on are nothing like Aneurin Bevan's party, the NHS was founded in 1948, it was funded out of general taxation to provide physical and mental health for the people of England and Wales, the key here is ENGLAND and WALES, not the rest of the world, same procedure for our DWP as it is now, the key word's again are ENGLAND, WALES, and now Scotland, not the rest of the world, what you and your kind forget is, the 1948 Labour Party might be the same in name but no where near the "New Labour Party" policies of today.

Your leader who is the son of a Russian Marxist is trying to skip from one bad policy to any other to try and get your traitorous Labour Party back in power, "GOD HELP US" if they ever do, how about Harriet Harman Jack Dromey Patricia Hewitt, and their appalling relationship with the serial child-abusers of the Paedophile Information Exchange(PIE) that,s Labour Party MP's, another custom of your Labour Party ££££, like her again Patricia Hewitt's record of becoming a highly-paid consultant for private medicine profiteers companies such as Cinven and Boots, after she had used her position as Health Minister to open up the NHS for their money-grabbing back-door takeovers, on top of that, having done so much to give BT the chance to make BILLIONS out of the criminally useless NHS computer scheme, Hewitt landed a £150.000-a-year consultancy post with, you guessed it! BT.

What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them.

Comrade Blair Comrade Brown Comrade Kinnock also made Millions off the British Taxpayer, Blair and Brown committed war crimes against humanity, NOT withstanding the Deaths of hundreds of British Soldiers sent to foreign wars that had NOTHING to do with this Country, in actual fact made more terrorist's wanting to kill us, I could go on, the Labour anthem KEEP the RED Flag Flying, say's it all really,You seem to spout out that I am for wealth for all regardless whether they work for it or not, have a look on www.bnp.org.uk check their policies, no such agenda free wealth for all.... you call me a Nazi I am not, you need to apologise, COMRADE....
What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them.

and in that you expose your own support for the far right, as for A Bevan supporting that scum outfit, I suppose one that on e single principle ..yes, he may have, but the rest that lot support would be totally an anathema to him.

I don't disagree with your comments about Nu Labour in general, but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances,,
However, the basis of Labour in principle remains, individuals can be rightly castigated fore their incorrigible and irresponsible,corrup

t even,behaviour, unfortunately since certain factions managed to get positions of influence within the party it may take more than a decade or two to return the party to it's basic principles, and cause it to extricate it from the malign influences that for the last few decades have pervaded it.
Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with.
vartag1 says
"Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with." i think it's common knowledge on here I support The British National Party, at least their honest, they don't employ people to tell lies to the British voters...

You don't half speak a load of rubbish. just like Labour your poor excuse for a political party, The British National Party have the same rights as any other Legal British Political Party, or is it that democracy doesn't work for The British National Party, you agree the NU labour party is not of your liking, but as you say "but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances",, well the British National Party are no different, they have moved on, did you check out their policies, if not there will be some changes to them shortly, that'll make more sense in comparison to your Traitorous Labour party that have been responsible for
KILLING thousands through illegal wars, your fractions you moaned about are not only those I posted about, there are more paedophiles in your party, I hope you have read the Argus rules about your post to me accusing me of being a Nazi, with no PROOF,you haven't apologised , with respect you need to, you are responsible for your posts Comrade....
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian... I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....[/p][/quote]And with that diatribe of vindictiveness suggest welshman for PM. Labour may not be everyone's idea of a governing party,but I bet you don't need any of the support funding and other mechanisms that without Labour placing them to your advantage if not yourself, many of your less well off relatives would be in deep mire socially and economically. Would you take up the strain of looking after them, could you .with your... everyman for himself... attitude, afford it? Our system has generally embraced the principle of looking after the less well off and otherwise deprived, but nasty little Nazi;'s like you would never have established the welfare and benefits systems that are now quite common across the first world. No. what you would like to see is the phony and failed mantra of the far right once again being chanted, the wealth made by the rich seeps down for all to benefit. It never worked, and thus a large degree of compulsion has to be employed, the right will not voluntarily ensure the wealth is more evenly and fairly spread, hence we need thy labour movement, with all it's faults and drawbacks, to assume the mantle of enforcer from time to time. Thankfully, our history has well placed the vast majority to realise this, and when any government gets to far one way, the electorate takes a turn in the opposite direction. So do carry on with you malicious propaganda for the Nasty right wing, the more your post on these blogs the greater the swing away as people become infatuated with an abhorrence of your rhetoric.[/p][/quote]vartag1 Insulting me and my posts are typical of the Liberal Left, first off, the NHS or our Medical welfare was founded by a Welshman Aneurin Bevan a Labour Party MP, today's Labour Party to which I posted on are nothing like Aneurin Bevan's party, the NHS was founded in 1948, it was funded out of general taxation to provide physical and mental health for the people of England and Wales, the key here is ENGLAND and WALES, not the rest of the world, same procedure for our DWP as it is now, the key word's again are ENGLAND, WALES, and now Scotland, not the rest of the world, what you and your kind forget is, the 1948 Labour Party might be the same in name but no where near the "New Labour Party" policies of today. Your leader who is the son of a Russian Marxist is trying to skip from one bad policy to any other to try and get your traitorous Labour Party back in power, "GOD HELP US" if they ever do, how about Harriet Harman Jack Dromey Patricia Hewitt, and their appalling relationship with the serial child-abusers of the Paedophile Information Exchange(PIE) that,s Labour Party MP's, another custom of your Labour Party ££££, like her again Patricia Hewitt's record of becoming a highly-paid consultant for private medicine profiteers companies such as Cinven and Boots, after she had used her position as Health Minister to open up the NHS for their money-grabbing back-door takeovers, on top of that, having done so much to give BT the chance to make BILLIONS out of the criminally useless NHS computer scheme, Hewitt landed a £150.000-a-year consultancy post with, you guessed it! BT. What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them. Comrade Blair Comrade Brown Comrade Kinnock also made Millions off the British Taxpayer, Blair and Brown committed war crimes against humanity, NOT withstanding the Deaths of hundreds of British Soldiers sent to foreign wars that had NOTHING to do with this Country, in actual fact made more terrorist's wanting to kill us, I could go on, the Labour anthem KEEP the RED Flag Flying, say's it all really,You seem to spout out that I am for wealth for all regardless whether they work for it or not, have a look on www.bnp.org.uk check their policies, no such agenda free wealth for all.... you call me a Nazi I am not, you need to apologise, COMRADE....[/p][/quote]What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them. and in that you expose your own support for the far right, as for A Bevan supporting that scum outfit, I suppose one that on e single principle ..yes, he may have, but the rest that lot support would be totally an anathema to him. I don't disagree with your comments about Nu Labour in general, but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances,, However, the basis of Labour in principle remains, individuals can be rightly castigated fore their incorrigible and irresponsible,corrup t even,behaviour, unfortunately since certain factions managed to get positions of influence within the party it may take more than a decade or two to return the party to it's basic principles, and cause it to extricate it from the malign influences that for the last few decades have pervaded it. Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with.[/p][/quote]vartag1 says "Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with." i think it's common knowledge on here I support The British National Party, at least their honest, they don't employ people to tell lies to the British voters... You don't half speak a load of rubbish. just like Labour your poor excuse for a political party, The British National Party have the same rights as any other Legal British Political Party, or is it that democracy doesn't work for The British National Party, you agree the NU labour party is not of your liking, but as you say "but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances",, well the British National Party are no different, they have moved on, did you check out their policies, if not there will be some changes to them shortly, that'll make more sense in comparison to your Traitorous Labour party that have been responsible for KILLING thousands through illegal wars, your fractions you moaned about are not only those I posted about, there are more paedophiles in your party, I hope you have read the Argus rules about your post to me accusing me of being a Nazi, with no PROOF,you haven't apologised , with respect you need to, you are responsible for your posts Comrade.... welshmen
  • Score: 4

5:40pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Newportg says...

Realist UK wrote:
Labour & Conservative, two cheeks of the same backside. Neither party have taken consideration of the electorates fears regarding immigration etc. All of them want to integrate further into Europe so that we're governed by unelected beureaucrats in Brussels. Any vote for these two is a vote for an undemocratic European Government.
And yet the majority of the electorate consistently vote one or other into power.

It's called democracy.
[quote][p][bold]Realist UK[/bold] wrote: Labour & Conservative, two cheeks of the same backside. Neither party have taken consideration of the electorates fears regarding immigration etc. All of them want to integrate further into Europe so that we're governed by unelected beureaucrats in Brussels. Any vote for these two is a vote for an undemocratic European Government.[/p][/quote]And yet the majority of the electorate consistently vote one or other into power. It's called democracy. Newportg
  • Score: 0

10:39am Sat 1 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian...

I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....
And with that diatribe of vindictiveness suggest welshman for PM.

Labour may not be everyone's idea of a governing party,but I bet you don't need any of the support funding and other mechanisms that without Labour placing them to your advantage if not yourself, many of your less well off relatives would be in deep mire socially and economically. Would you take up the strain of looking after them, could you .with your... everyman for himself... attitude, afford it?
Our system has generally embraced the principle of looking after the less well off and otherwise deprived, but nasty little Nazi;'s like you would never
have established the welfare and benefits systems that are now quite common across the first world.
No. what you would like to see is the phony and failed mantra of the far right once again being chanted, the wealth made by the rich seeps down for all to benefit.

It never worked, and thus a large degree of compulsion has to be employed, the right will not voluntarily ensure the wealth is more evenly and fairly spread, hence we need thy labour movement, with all it's faults and drawbacks, to assume the mantle of enforcer from time to time.

Thankfully, our history has well placed the vast majority to realise this, and when any government gets to far one way, the electorate takes a turn in the opposite direction.

So do carry on with you malicious propaganda for the Nasty right wing, the more your post on these blogs the greater the swing away as people become infatuated with an abhorrence of your rhetoric.
vartag1
Insulting me and my posts are typical of the Liberal Left, first off, the NHS or our Medical welfare was founded by a Welshman Aneurin Bevan a Labour Party MP, today's Labour Party to which I posted on are nothing like Aneurin Bevan's party, the NHS was founded in 1948, it was funded out of general taxation to provide physical and mental health for the people of England and Wales, the key here is ENGLAND and WALES, not the rest of the world, same procedure for our DWP as it is now, the key word's again are ENGLAND, WALES, and now Scotland, not the rest of the world, what you and your kind forget is, the 1948 Labour Party might be the same in name but no where near the "New Labour Party" policies of today.

Your leader who is the son of a Russian Marxist is trying to skip from one bad policy to any other to try and get your traitorous Labour Party back in power, "GOD HELP US" if they ever do, how about Harriet Harman Jack Dromey Patricia Hewitt, and their appalling relationship with the serial child-abusers of the Paedophile Information Exchange(PIE) that,s Labour Party MP's, another custom of your Labour Party ££££, like her again Patricia Hewitt's record of becoming a highly-paid consultant for private medicine profiteers companies such as Cinven and Boots, after she had used her position as Health Minister to open up the NHS for their money-grabbing back-door takeovers, on top of that, having done so much to give BT the chance to make BILLIONS out of the criminally useless NHS computer scheme, Hewitt landed a £150.000-a-year consultancy post with, you guessed it! BT.

What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them.

Comrade Blair Comrade Brown Comrade Kinnock also made Millions off the British Taxpayer, Blair and Brown committed war crimes against humanity, NOT withstanding the Deaths of hundreds of British Soldiers sent to foreign wars that had NOTHING to do with this Country, in actual fact made more terrorist's wanting to kill us, I could go on, the Labour anthem KEEP the RED Flag Flying, say's it all really,You seem to spout out that I am for wealth for all regardless whether they work for it or not, have a look on www.bnp.org.uk check their policies, no such agenda free wealth for all.... you call me a Nazi I am not, you need to apologise, COMRADE....
What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them.

and in that you expose your own support for the far right, as for A Bevan supporting that scum outfit, I suppose one that on e single principle ..yes, he may have, but the rest that lot support would be totally an anathema to him.

I don't disagree with your comments about Nu Labour in general, but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances,,
However, the basis of Labour in principle remains, individuals can be rightly castigated fore their incorrigible and irresponsible,corrup


t even,behaviour, unfortunately since certain factions managed to get positions of influence within the party it may take more than a decade or two to return the party to it's basic principles, and cause it to extricate it from the malign influences that for the last few decades have pervaded it.
Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with.
vartag1 says
"Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with." i think it's common knowledge on here I support The British National Party, at least their honest, they don't employ people to tell lies to the British voters...

You don't half speak a load of rubbish. just like Labour your poor excuse for a political party, The British National Party have the same rights as any other Legal British Political Party, or is it that democracy doesn't work for The British National Party, you agree the NU labour party is not of your liking, but as you say "but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances",, well the British National Party are no different, they have moved on, did you check out their policies, if not there will be some changes to them shortly, that'll make more sense in comparison to your Traitorous Labour party that have been responsible for
KILLING thousands through illegal wars, your fractions you moaned about are not only those I posted about, there are more paedophiles in your party, I hope you have read the Argus rules about your post to me accusing me of being a Nazi, with no PROOF,you haven't apologised , with respect you need to, you are responsible for your posts Comrade....
I can only tell you that attempting to embed me within the ranks of Labour by using derogatory and insulting rhetoric, again shows just what a nasty little Nazi you are.

I belong to no political party, or movement, I do however abide by the initiating principles of the previous Labour movement that brought much aid and help to the less well off,. deprived, sick and retired.
All by use of the democracy extant within our social construct. Referring to the BNP, whatever, and tossing in the word 'democracy' in so doing, sees you obviating the fact that it is democracy that has kept that bunch of thugs out of our overall political arena, shunting it to the sidelines, and leaving it neutralised and impotent.

I am well aware of one certain fact however that tends to ruin the argument for 'democratic' elections, and that is, the net of political agenda is cast far too wide and embraces much too much articles to allow for a truly democratic result, as one party or another cannot realistically effect a programme to suit all demands and tastes, politically speaking.

That can ONLY be effected by the use of referendums. Most of governmental decision making attends to the ordinary and mundane, but I would prefer that all major decisions, such as entering a conflict, or selling off national assets, should be placed before the electorate. and acted upon according to the wishes of that electorate.

So before kicking off on another of your very unwelcome and tiresome tirades about Labour etc maybe you should at least try thinking constructively for a change instead of utilising the brianwashed of your irrational mentality.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian... I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....[/p][/quote]And with that diatribe of vindictiveness suggest welshman for PM. Labour may not be everyone's idea of a governing party,but I bet you don't need any of the support funding and other mechanisms that without Labour placing them to your advantage if not yourself, many of your less well off relatives would be in deep mire socially and economically. Would you take up the strain of looking after them, could you .with your... everyman for himself... attitude, afford it? Our system has generally embraced the principle of looking after the less well off and otherwise deprived, but nasty little Nazi;'s like you would never have established the welfare and benefits systems that are now quite common across the first world. No. what you would like to see is the phony and failed mantra of the far right once again being chanted, the wealth made by the rich seeps down for all to benefit. It never worked, and thus a large degree of compulsion has to be employed, the right will not voluntarily ensure the wealth is more evenly and fairly spread, hence we need thy labour movement, with all it's faults and drawbacks, to assume the mantle of enforcer from time to time. Thankfully, our history has well placed the vast majority to realise this, and when any government gets to far one way, the electorate takes a turn in the opposite direction. So do carry on with you malicious propaganda for the Nasty right wing, the more your post on these blogs the greater the swing away as people become infatuated with an abhorrence of your rhetoric.[/p][/quote]vartag1 Insulting me and my posts are typical of the Liberal Left, first off, the NHS or our Medical welfare was founded by a Welshman Aneurin Bevan a Labour Party MP, today's Labour Party to which I posted on are nothing like Aneurin Bevan's party, the NHS was founded in 1948, it was funded out of general taxation to provide physical and mental health for the people of England and Wales, the key here is ENGLAND and WALES, not the rest of the world, same procedure for our DWP as it is now, the key word's again are ENGLAND, WALES, and now Scotland, not the rest of the world, what you and your kind forget is, the 1948 Labour Party might be the same in name but no where near the "New Labour Party" policies of today. Your leader who is the son of a Russian Marxist is trying to skip from one bad policy to any other to try and get your traitorous Labour Party back in power, "GOD HELP US" if they ever do, how about Harriet Harman Jack Dromey Patricia Hewitt, and their appalling relationship with the serial child-abusers of the Paedophile Information Exchange(PIE) that,s Labour Party MP's, another custom of your Labour Party ££££, like her again Patricia Hewitt's record of becoming a highly-paid consultant for private medicine profiteers companies such as Cinven and Boots, after she had used her position as Health Minister to open up the NHS for their money-grabbing back-door takeovers, on top of that, having done so much to give BT the chance to make BILLIONS out of the criminally useless NHS computer scheme, Hewitt landed a £150.000-a-year consultancy post with, you guessed it! BT. What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them. Comrade Blair Comrade Brown Comrade Kinnock also made Millions off the British Taxpayer, Blair and Brown committed war crimes against humanity, NOT withstanding the Deaths of hundreds of British Soldiers sent to foreign wars that had NOTHING to do with this Country, in actual fact made more terrorist's wanting to kill us, I could go on, the Labour anthem KEEP the RED Flag Flying, say's it all really,You seem to spout out that I am for wealth for all regardless whether they work for it or not, have a look on www.bnp.org.uk check their policies, no such agenda free wealth for all.... you call me a Nazi I am not, you need to apologise, COMRADE....[/p][/quote]What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them. and in that you expose your own support for the far right, as for A Bevan supporting that scum outfit, I suppose one that on e single principle ..yes, he may have, but the rest that lot support would be totally an anathema to him. I don't disagree with your comments about Nu Labour in general, but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances,, However, the basis of Labour in principle remains, individuals can be rightly castigated fore their incorrigible and irresponsible,corrup t even,behaviour, unfortunately since certain factions managed to get positions of influence within the party it may take more than a decade or two to return the party to it's basic principles, and cause it to extricate it from the malign influences that for the last few decades have pervaded it. Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with.[/p][/quote]vartag1 says "Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with." i think it's common knowledge on here I support The British National Party, at least their honest, they don't employ people to tell lies to the British voters... You don't half speak a load of rubbish. just like Labour your poor excuse for a political party, The British National Party have the same rights as any other Legal British Political Party, or is it that democracy doesn't work for The British National Party, you agree the NU labour party is not of your liking, but as you say "but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances",, well the British National Party are no different, they have moved on, did you check out their policies, if not there will be some changes to them shortly, that'll make more sense in comparison to your Traitorous Labour party that have been responsible for KILLING thousands through illegal wars, your fractions you moaned about are not only those I posted about, there are more paedophiles in your party, I hope you have read the Argus rules about your post to me accusing me of being a Nazi, with no PROOF,you haven't apologised , with respect you need to, you are responsible for your posts Comrade....[/p][/quote]I can only tell you that attempting to embed me within the ranks of Labour by using derogatory and insulting rhetoric, again shows just what a nasty little Nazi you are. I belong to no political party, or movement, I do however abide by the initiating principles of the previous Labour movement that brought much aid and help to the less well off,. deprived, sick and retired. All by use of the democracy extant within our social construct. Referring to the BNP, whatever, and tossing in the word 'democracy' in so doing, sees you obviating the fact that it is democracy that has kept that bunch of thugs out of our overall political arena, shunting it to the sidelines, and leaving it neutralised and impotent. I am well aware of one certain fact however that tends to ruin the argument for 'democratic' elections, and that is, the net of political agenda is cast far too wide and embraces much too much articles to allow for a truly democratic result, as one party or another cannot realistically effect a programme to suit all demands and tastes, politically speaking. That can ONLY be effected by the use of referendums. Most of governmental decision making attends to the ordinary and mundane, but I would prefer that all major decisions, such as entering a conflict, or selling off national assets, should be placed before the electorate. and acted upon according to the wishes of that electorate. So before kicking off on another of your very unwelcome and tiresome tirades about Labour etc maybe you should at least try thinking constructively for a change instead of utilising the brianwashed of your irrational mentality. varteg1
  • Score: -2

12:43am Sun 2 Mar 14

welshmen says...

varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian...

I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....
And with that diatribe of vindictiveness suggest welshman for PM.

Labour may not be everyone's idea of a governing party,but I bet you don't need any of the support funding and other mechanisms that without Labour placing them to your advantage if not yourself, many of your less well off relatives would be in deep mire socially and economically. Would you take up the strain of looking after them, could you .with your... everyman for himself... attitude, afford it?
Our system has generally embraced the principle of looking after the less well off and otherwise deprived, but nasty little Nazi;'s like you would never
have established the welfare and benefits systems that are now quite common across the first world.
No. what you would like to see is the phony and failed mantra of the far right once again being chanted, the wealth made by the rich seeps down for all to benefit.

It never worked, and thus a large degree of compulsion has to be employed, the right will not voluntarily ensure the wealth is more evenly and fairly spread, hence we need thy labour movement, with all it's faults and drawbacks, to assume the mantle of enforcer from time to time.

Thankfully, our history has well placed the vast majority to realise this, and when any government gets to far one way, the electorate takes a turn in the opposite direction.

So do carry on with you malicious propaganda for the Nasty right wing, the more your post on these blogs the greater the swing away as people become infatuated with an abhorrence of your rhetoric.
vartag1
Insulting me and my posts are typical of the Liberal Left, first off, the NHS or our Medical welfare was founded by a Welshman Aneurin Bevan a Labour Party MP, today's Labour Party to which I posted on are nothing like Aneurin Bevan's party, the NHS was founded in 1948, it was funded out of general taxation to provide physical and mental health for the people of England and Wales, the key here is ENGLAND and WALES, not the rest of the world, same procedure for our DWP as it is now, the key word's again are ENGLAND, WALES, and now Scotland, not the rest of the world, what you and your kind forget is, the 1948 Labour Party might be the same in name but no where near the "New Labour Party" policies of today.

Your leader who is the son of a Russian Marxist is trying to skip from one bad policy to any other to try and get your traitorous Labour Party back in power, "GOD HELP US" if they ever do, how about Harriet Harman Jack Dromey Patricia Hewitt, and their appalling relationship with the serial child-abusers of the Paedophile Information Exchange(PIE) that,s Labour Party MP's, another custom of your Labour Party ££££, like her again Patricia Hewitt's record of becoming a highly-paid consultant for private medicine profiteers companies such as Cinven and Boots, after she had used her position as Health Minister to open up the NHS for their money-grabbing back-door takeovers, on top of that, having done so much to give BT the chance to make BILLIONS out of the criminally useless NHS computer scheme, Hewitt landed a £150.000-a-year consultancy post with, you guessed it! BT.

What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them.

Comrade Blair Comrade Brown Comrade Kinnock also made Millions off the British Taxpayer, Blair and Brown committed war crimes against humanity, NOT withstanding the Deaths of hundreds of British Soldiers sent to foreign wars that had NOTHING to do with this Country, in actual fact made more terrorist's wanting to kill us, I could go on, the Labour anthem KEEP the RED Flag Flying, say's it all really,You seem to spout out that I am for wealth for all regardless whether they work for it or not, have a look on www.bnp.org.uk check their policies, no such agenda free wealth for all.... you call me a Nazi I am not, you need to apologise, COMRADE....
What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them.

and in that you expose your own support for the far right, as for A Bevan supporting that scum outfit, I suppose one that on e single principle ..yes, he may have, but the rest that lot support would be totally an anathema to him.

I don't disagree with your comments about Nu Labour in general, but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances,,
However, the basis of Labour in principle remains, individuals can be rightly castigated fore their incorrigible and irresponsible,corrup



t even,behaviour, unfortunately since certain factions managed to get positions of influence within the party it may take more than a decade or two to return the party to it's basic principles, and cause it to extricate it from the malign influences that for the last few decades have pervaded it.
Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with.
vartag1 says
"Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with." i think it's common knowledge on here I support The British National Party, at least their honest, they don't employ people to tell lies to the British voters...

You don't half speak a load of rubbish. just like Labour your poor excuse for a political party, The British National Party have the same rights as any other Legal British Political Party, or is it that democracy doesn't work for The British National Party, you agree the NU labour party is not of your liking, but as you say "but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances",, well the British National Party are no different, they have moved on, did you check out their policies, if not there will be some changes to them shortly, that'll make more sense in comparison to your Traitorous Labour party that have been responsible for
KILLING thousands through illegal wars, your fractions you moaned about are not only those I posted about, there are more paedophiles in your party, I hope you have read the Argus rules about your post to me accusing me of being a Nazi, with no PROOF,you haven't apologised , with respect you need to, you are responsible for your posts Comrade....
I can only tell you that attempting to embed me within the ranks of Labour by using derogatory and insulting rhetoric, again shows just what a nasty little Nazi you are.

I belong to no political party, or movement, I do however abide by the initiating principles of the previous Labour movement that brought much aid and help to the less well off,. deprived, sick and retired.
All by use of the democracy extant within our social construct. Referring to the BNP, whatever, and tossing in the word 'democracy' in so doing, sees you obviating the fact that it is democracy that has kept that bunch of thugs out of our overall political arena, shunting it to the sidelines, and leaving it neutralised and impotent.

I am well aware of one certain fact however that tends to ruin the argument for 'democratic' elections, and that is, the net of political agenda is cast far too wide and embraces much too much articles to allow for a truly democratic result, as one party or another cannot realistically effect a programme to suit all demands and tastes, politically speaking.

That can ONLY be effected by the use of referendums. Most of governmental decision making attends to the ordinary and mundane, but I would prefer that all major decisions, such as entering a conflict, or selling off national assets, should be placed before the electorate. and acted upon according to the wishes of that electorate.

So before kicking off on another of your very unwelcome and tiresome tirades about Labour etc maybe you should at least try thinking constructively for a change instead of utilising the brianwashed of your irrational mentality.
What a waste of oxygen you are, gutless little keyboard troll with half a brain on a good day, better a thug than killers like your Labour Party, thousands of innocent people killed in the name of Labour and democracy, you keep addressing me as a Nazi, how would you like to say that to my face?....
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian... I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....[/p][/quote]And with that diatribe of vindictiveness suggest welshman for PM. Labour may not be everyone's idea of a governing party,but I bet you don't need any of the support funding and other mechanisms that without Labour placing them to your advantage if not yourself, many of your less well off relatives would be in deep mire socially and economically. Would you take up the strain of looking after them, could you .with your... everyman for himself... attitude, afford it? Our system has generally embraced the principle of looking after the less well off and otherwise deprived, but nasty little Nazi;'s like you would never have established the welfare and benefits systems that are now quite common across the first world. No. what you would like to see is the phony and failed mantra of the far right once again being chanted, the wealth made by the rich seeps down for all to benefit. It never worked, and thus a large degree of compulsion has to be employed, the right will not voluntarily ensure the wealth is more evenly and fairly spread, hence we need thy labour movement, with all it's faults and drawbacks, to assume the mantle of enforcer from time to time. Thankfully, our history has well placed the vast majority to realise this, and when any government gets to far one way, the electorate takes a turn in the opposite direction. So do carry on with you malicious propaganda for the Nasty right wing, the more your post on these blogs the greater the swing away as people become infatuated with an abhorrence of your rhetoric.[/p][/quote]vartag1 Insulting me and my posts are typical of the Liberal Left, first off, the NHS or our Medical welfare was founded by a Welshman Aneurin Bevan a Labour Party MP, today's Labour Party to which I posted on are nothing like Aneurin Bevan's party, the NHS was founded in 1948, it was funded out of general taxation to provide physical and mental health for the people of England and Wales, the key here is ENGLAND and WALES, not the rest of the world, same procedure for our DWP as it is now, the key word's again are ENGLAND, WALES, and now Scotland, not the rest of the world, what you and your kind forget is, the 1948 Labour Party might be the same in name but no where near the "New Labour Party" policies of today. Your leader who is the son of a Russian Marxist is trying to skip from one bad policy to any other to try and get your traitorous Labour Party back in power, "GOD HELP US" if they ever do, how about Harriet Harman Jack Dromey Patricia Hewitt, and their appalling relationship with the serial child-abusers of the Paedophile Information Exchange(PIE) that,s Labour Party MP's, another custom of your Labour Party ££££, like her again Patricia Hewitt's record of becoming a highly-paid consultant for private medicine profiteers companies such as Cinven and Boots, after she had used her position as Health Minister to open up the NHS for their money-grabbing back-door takeovers, on top of that, having done so much to give BT the chance to make BILLIONS out of the criminally useless NHS computer scheme, Hewitt landed a £150.000-a-year consultancy post with, you guessed it! BT. What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them. Comrade Blair Comrade Brown Comrade Kinnock also made Millions off the British Taxpayer, Blair and Brown committed war crimes against humanity, NOT withstanding the Deaths of hundreds of British Soldiers sent to foreign wars that had NOTHING to do with this Country, in actual fact made more terrorist's wanting to kill us, I could go on, the Labour anthem KEEP the RED Flag Flying, say's it all really,You seem to spout out that I am for wealth for all regardless whether they work for it or not, have a look on www.bnp.org.uk check their policies, no such agenda free wealth for all.... you call me a Nazi I am not, you need to apologise, COMRADE....[/p][/quote]What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them. and in that you expose your own support for the far right, as for A Bevan supporting that scum outfit, I suppose one that on e single principle ..yes, he may have, but the rest that lot support would be totally an anathema to him. I don't disagree with your comments about Nu Labour in general, but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances,, However, the basis of Labour in principle remains, individuals can be rightly castigated fore their incorrigible and irresponsible,corrup t even,behaviour, unfortunately since certain factions managed to get positions of influence within the party it may take more than a decade or two to return the party to it's basic principles, and cause it to extricate it from the malign influences that for the last few decades have pervaded it. Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with.[/p][/quote]vartag1 says "Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with." i think it's common knowledge on here I support The British National Party, at least their honest, they don't employ people to tell lies to the British voters... You don't half speak a load of rubbish. just like Labour your poor excuse for a political party, The British National Party have the same rights as any other Legal British Political Party, or is it that democracy doesn't work for The British National Party, you agree the NU labour party is not of your liking, but as you say "but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances",, well the British National Party are no different, they have moved on, did you check out their policies, if not there will be some changes to them shortly, that'll make more sense in comparison to your Traitorous Labour party that have been responsible for KILLING thousands through illegal wars, your fractions you moaned about are not only those I posted about, there are more paedophiles in your party, I hope you have read the Argus rules about your post to me accusing me of being a Nazi, with no PROOF,you haven't apologised , with respect you need to, you are responsible for your posts Comrade....[/p][/quote]I can only tell you that attempting to embed me within the ranks of Labour by using derogatory and insulting rhetoric, again shows just what a nasty little Nazi you are. I belong to no political party, or movement, I do however abide by the initiating principles of the previous Labour movement that brought much aid and help to the less well off,. deprived, sick and retired. All by use of the democracy extant within our social construct. Referring to the BNP, whatever, and tossing in the word 'democracy' in so doing, sees you obviating the fact that it is democracy that has kept that bunch of thugs out of our overall political arena, shunting it to the sidelines, and leaving it neutralised and impotent. I am well aware of one certain fact however that tends to ruin the argument for 'democratic' elections, and that is, the net of political agenda is cast far too wide and embraces much too much articles to allow for a truly democratic result, as one party or another cannot realistically effect a programme to suit all demands and tastes, politically speaking. That can ONLY be effected by the use of referendums. Most of governmental decision making attends to the ordinary and mundane, but I would prefer that all major decisions, such as entering a conflict, or selling off national assets, should be placed before the electorate. and acted upon according to the wishes of that electorate. So before kicking off on another of your very unwelcome and tiresome tirades about Labour etc maybe you should at least try thinking constructively for a change instead of utilising the brianwashed of your irrational mentality.[/p][/quote]What a waste of oxygen you are, gutless little keyboard troll with half a brain on a good day, better a thug than killers like your Labour Party, thousands of innocent people killed in the name of Labour and democracy, you keep addressing me as a Nazi, how would you like to say that to my face?.... welshmen
  • Score: 3

4:14pm Sun 2 Mar 14

MrBenggo says...

welshmen wrote:
Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian...

I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....
As a working class person,I should vote Labour,but never again.Mandleson is quoted as saying,"we actively went abroad and canvassed for people to come here"
Just as you don't fight a fire with throwing more fuel on it,you don't bring down unemployment with importing more jobless people.
I could never,ever vote Tory or Liberal after all the lying Clegg has done.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian... I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....[/p][/quote]As a working class person,I should vote Labour,but never again.Mandleson is quoted as saying,"we actively went abroad and canvassed for people to come here" Just as you don't fight a fire with throwing more fuel on it,you don't bring down unemployment with importing more jobless people. I could never,ever vote Tory or Liberal after all the lying Clegg has done. MrBenggo
  • Score: 2

5:46pm Sun 2 Mar 14

pwlldu says...

Imagine a Wales without lib dems in joint power it would be Thatcher part two. If Labour didn't want a Tory government why didn't they form a government with the Lib Dems and the other left wing parties.
Imagine a Wales without lib dems in joint power it would be Thatcher part two. If Labour didn't want a Tory government why didn't they form a government with the Lib Dems and the other left wing parties. pwlldu
  • Score: -1

7:01pm Sun 2 Mar 14

welshmen says...

MrBenggo wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian...

I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....
As a working class person,I should vote Labour,but never again.Mandleson is quoted as saying,"we actively went abroad and canvassed for people to come here"
Just as you don't fight a fire with throwing more fuel on it,you don't bring down unemployment with importing more jobless people.
I could never,ever vote Tory or Liberal after all the lying Clegg has done.
The only Political Party who will remove all immigrants from our Country stating from 1997, is The British National Party, they love British people all the time not just at voting time. www.bnp.org.uk don't hurt to look at their polices....
[quote][p][bold]MrBenggo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian... I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....[/p][/quote]As a working class person,I should vote Labour,but never again.Mandleson is quoted as saying,"we actively went abroad and canvassed for people to come here" Just as you don't fight a fire with throwing more fuel on it,you don't bring down unemployment with importing more jobless people. I could never,ever vote Tory or Liberal after all the lying Clegg has done.[/p][/quote]The only Political Party who will remove all immigrants from our Country stating from 1997, is The British National Party, they love British people all the time not just at voting time. www.bnp.org.uk don't hurt to look at their polices.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

7:02pm Sun 2 Mar 14

welshmen says...

MrBenggo wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian...

I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....
As a working class person,I should vote Labour,but never again.Mandleson is quoted as saying,"we actively went abroad and canvassed for people to come here"
Just as you don't fight a fire with throwing more fuel on it,you don't bring down unemployment with importing more jobless people.
I could never,ever vote Tory or Liberal after all the lying Clegg has done.
The only Political Party who will remove all immigrants from our Country stating from 1997, is The British National Party, they love British people all the time not just at voting time. www.bnp.org.uk don't hurt to look at their polices....
[quote][p][bold]MrBenggo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian... I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....[/p][/quote]As a working class person,I should vote Labour,but never again.Mandleson is quoted as saying,"we actively went abroad and canvassed for people to come here" Just as you don't fight a fire with throwing more fuel on it,you don't bring down unemployment with importing more jobless people. I could never,ever vote Tory or Liberal after all the lying Clegg has done.[/p][/quote]The only Political Party who will remove all immigrants from our Country stating from 1997, is The British National Party, they love British people all the time not just at voting time. www.bnp.org.uk don't hurt to look at their polices.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

7:55pm Tue 4 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian...

I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....
And with that diatribe of vindictiveness suggest welshman for PM.

Labour may not be everyone's idea of a governing party,but I bet you don't need any of the support funding and other mechanisms that without Labour placing them to your advantage if not yourself, many of your less well off relatives would be in deep mire socially and economically. Would you take up the strain of looking after them, could you .with your... everyman for himself... attitude, afford it?
Our system has generally embraced the principle of looking after the less well off and otherwise deprived, but nasty little Nazi;'s like you would never
have established the welfare and benefits systems that are now quite common across the first world.
No. what you would like to see is the phony and failed mantra of the far right once again being chanted, the wealth made by the rich seeps down for all to benefit.

It never worked, and thus a large degree of compulsion has to be employed, the right will not voluntarily ensure the wealth is more evenly and fairly spread, hence we need thy labour movement, with all it's faults and drawbacks, to assume the mantle of enforcer from time to time.

Thankfully, our history has well placed the vast majority to realise this, and when any government gets to far one way, the electorate takes a turn in the opposite direction.

So do carry on with you malicious propaganda for the Nasty right wing, the more your post on these blogs the greater the swing away as people become infatuated with an abhorrence of your rhetoric.
vartag1
Insulting me and my posts are typical of the Liberal Left, first off, the NHS or our Medical welfare was founded by a Welshman Aneurin Bevan a Labour Party MP, today's Labour Party to which I posted on are nothing like Aneurin Bevan's party, the NHS was founded in 1948, it was funded out of general taxation to provide physical and mental health for the people of England and Wales, the key here is ENGLAND and WALES, not the rest of the world, same procedure for our DWP as it is now, the key word's again are ENGLAND, WALES, and now Scotland, not the rest of the world, what you and your kind forget is, the 1948 Labour Party might be the same in name but no where near the "New Labour Party" policies of today.

Your leader who is the son of a Russian Marxist is trying to skip from one bad policy to any other to try and get your traitorous Labour Party back in power, "GOD HELP US" if they ever do, how about Harriet Harman Jack Dromey Patricia Hewitt, and their appalling relationship with the serial child-abusers of the Paedophile Information Exchange(PIE) that,s Labour Party MP's, another custom of your Labour Party ££££, like her again Patricia Hewitt's record of becoming a highly-paid consultant for private medicine profiteers companies such as Cinven and Boots, after she had used her position as Health Minister to open up the NHS for their money-grabbing back-door takeovers, on top of that, having done so much to give BT the chance to make BILLIONS out of the criminally useless NHS computer scheme, Hewitt landed a £150.000-a-year consultancy post with, you guessed it! BT.

What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them.

Comrade Blair Comrade Brown Comrade Kinnock also made Millions off the British Taxpayer, Blair and Brown committed war crimes against humanity, NOT withstanding the Deaths of hundreds of British Soldiers sent to foreign wars that had NOTHING to do with this Country, in actual fact made more terrorist's wanting to kill us, I could go on, the Labour anthem KEEP the RED Flag Flying, say's it all really,You seem to spout out that I am for wealth for all regardless whether they work for it or not, have a look on www.bnp.org.uk check their policies, no such agenda free wealth for all.... you call me a Nazi I am not, you need to apologise, COMRADE....
What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them.

and in that you expose your own support for the far right, as for A Bevan supporting that scum outfit, I suppose one that on e single principle ..yes, he may have, but the rest that lot support would be totally an anathema to him.

I don't disagree with your comments about Nu Labour in general, but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances,,
However, the basis of Labour in principle remains, individuals can be rightly castigated fore their incorrigible and irresponsible,corrup




t even,behaviour, unfortunately since certain factions managed to get positions of influence within the party it may take more than a decade or two to return the party to it's basic principles, and cause it to extricate it from the malign influences that for the last few decades have pervaded it.
Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with.
vartag1 says
"Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with." i think it's common knowledge on here I support The British National Party, at least their honest, they don't employ people to tell lies to the British voters...

You don't half speak a load of rubbish. just like Labour your poor excuse for a political party, The British National Party have the same rights as any other Legal British Political Party, or is it that democracy doesn't work for The British National Party, you agree the NU labour party is not of your liking, but as you say "but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances",, well the British National Party are no different, they have moved on, did you check out their policies, if not there will be some changes to them shortly, that'll make more sense in comparison to your Traitorous Labour party that have been responsible for
KILLING thousands through illegal wars, your fractions you moaned about are not only those I posted about, there are more paedophiles in your party, I hope you have read the Argus rules about your post to me accusing me of being a Nazi, with no PROOF,you haven't apologised , with respect you need to, you are responsible for your posts Comrade....
I can only tell you that attempting to embed me within the ranks of Labour by using derogatory and insulting rhetoric, again shows just what a nasty little Nazi you are.

I belong to no political party, or movement, I do however abide by the initiating principles of the previous Labour movement that brought much aid and help to the less well off,. deprived, sick and retired.
All by use of the democracy extant within our social construct. Referring to the BNP, whatever, and tossing in the word 'democracy' in so doing, sees you obviating the fact that it is democracy that has kept that bunch of thugs out of our overall political arena, shunting it to the sidelines, and leaving it neutralised and impotent.

I am well aware of one certain fact however that tends to ruin the argument for 'democratic' elections, and that is, the net of political agenda is cast far too wide and embraces much too much articles to allow for a truly democratic result, as one party or another cannot realistically effect a programme to suit all demands and tastes, politically speaking.

That can ONLY be effected by the use of referendums. Most of governmental decision making attends to the ordinary and mundane, but I would prefer that all major decisions, such as entering a conflict, or selling off national assets, should be placed before the electorate. and acted upon according to the wishes of that electorate.

So before kicking off on another of your very unwelcome and tiresome tirades about Labour etc maybe you should at least try thinking constructively for a change instead of utilising the brianwashed of your irrational mentality.
What a waste of oxygen you are, gutless little keyboard troll with half a brain on a good day, better a thug than killers like your Labour Party, thousands of innocent people killed in the name of Labour and democracy, you keep addressing me as a Nazi, how would you like to say that to my face?....
Well evidentially you are exactly one of those, the evidence comes from your own fingers via your own keyboard, you insist on calling for votes for the BNP, which is, under all descriptions a similar party to the Nazi party, or do you not know what that party stands for, ( or stood for), seeing it is now supposedly defunct, bankrupt, with most of it's leading personnel no longer at the helm?

And I see no point in further commenting to or at you, it is a feature of debate that a small amount of castigatory rhetoric may be used, as long as it is written in context with what the correspondent issues, you issued the ammunition by your obvious support of a Nazi organisation, but, and finally, we know you have lost the plot when all you can do is respond with threats, not that your threats mean anything, just like the usual crap from the far right, it's all p*ss and wind.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Your letter is pure propaganda, who in their right mind would ever vote Labour in again, can't believe people could have that short a memory, only traitors to the British people vote Labour,Conservative or Liberal, for Gods sake use the brains you were given, not the washed type you been fed through the BBC and the Guardian... I predict CIVIL war if Labour ever get back in, Millions more of Immigrants, more colonising by Islam, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Europe, our Counties full, enough is enough shut the bloody doors, stop paying the best benefits in the World and the scroungers will go some where else for free....[/p][/quote]And with that diatribe of vindictiveness suggest welshman for PM. Labour may not be everyone's idea of a governing party,but I bet you don't need any of the support funding and other mechanisms that without Labour placing them to your advantage if not yourself, many of your less well off relatives would be in deep mire socially and economically. Would you take up the strain of looking after them, could you .with your... everyman for himself... attitude, afford it? Our system has generally embraced the principle of looking after the less well off and otherwise deprived, but nasty little Nazi;'s like you would never have established the welfare and benefits systems that are now quite common across the first world. No. what you would like to see is the phony and failed mantra of the far right once again being chanted, the wealth made by the rich seeps down for all to benefit. It never worked, and thus a large degree of compulsion has to be employed, the right will not voluntarily ensure the wealth is more evenly and fairly spread, hence we need thy labour movement, with all it's faults and drawbacks, to assume the mantle of enforcer from time to time. Thankfully, our history has well placed the vast majority to realise this, and when any government gets to far one way, the electorate takes a turn in the opposite direction. So do carry on with you malicious propaganda for the Nasty right wing, the more your post on these blogs the greater the swing away as people become infatuated with an abhorrence of your rhetoric.[/p][/quote]vartag1 Insulting me and my posts are typical of the Liberal Left, first off, the NHS or our Medical welfare was founded by a Welshman Aneurin Bevan a Labour Party MP, today's Labour Party to which I posted on are nothing like Aneurin Bevan's party, the NHS was founded in 1948, it was funded out of general taxation to provide physical and mental health for the people of England and Wales, the key here is ENGLAND and WALES, not the rest of the world, same procedure for our DWP as it is now, the key word's again are ENGLAND, WALES, and now Scotland, not the rest of the world, what you and your kind forget is, the 1948 Labour Party might be the same in name but no where near the "New Labour Party" policies of today. Your leader who is the son of a Russian Marxist is trying to skip from one bad policy to any other to try and get your traitorous Labour Party back in power, "GOD HELP US" if they ever do, how about Harriet Harman Jack Dromey Patricia Hewitt, and their appalling relationship with the serial child-abusers of the Paedophile Information Exchange(PIE) that,s Labour Party MP's, another custom of your Labour Party ££££, like her again Patricia Hewitt's record of becoming a highly-paid consultant for private medicine profiteers companies such as Cinven and Boots, after she had used her position as Health Minister to open up the NHS for their money-grabbing back-door takeovers, on top of that, having done so much to give BT the chance to make BILLIONS out of the criminally useless NHS computer scheme, Hewitt landed a £150.000-a-year consultancy post with, you guessed it! BT. What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them. Comrade Blair Comrade Brown Comrade Kinnock also made Millions off the British Taxpayer, Blair and Brown committed war crimes against humanity, NOT withstanding the Deaths of hundreds of British Soldiers sent to foreign wars that had NOTHING to do with this Country, in actual fact made more terrorist's wanting to kill us, I could go on, the Labour anthem KEEP the RED Flag Flying, say's it all really,You seem to spout out that I am for wealth for all regardless whether they work for it or not, have a look on www.bnp.org.uk check their policies, no such agenda free wealth for all.... you call me a Nazi I am not, you need to apologise, COMRADE....[/p][/quote]What would have the Welshman Aneurin Bevan thought or this bad excuse for a political Party, no doubt he would have joined the British National Party who put British People first all the time unlike your Labour Party who only ever put them selves first and the rest of the World all the time never the British or as once said by Traitor Labour MP Jack Straw, "the English as a race are not worth saving" and your a supporter of them. and in that you expose your own support for the far right, as for A Bevan supporting that scum outfit, I suppose one that on e single principle ..yes, he may have, but the rest that lot support would be totally an anathema to him. I don't disagree with your comments about Nu Labour in general, but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances,, However, the basis of Labour in principle remains, individuals can be rightly castigated fore their incorrigible and irresponsible,corrup t even,behaviour, unfortunately since certain factions managed to get positions of influence within the party it may take more than a decade or two to return the party to it's basic principles, and cause it to extricate it from the malign influences that for the last few decades have pervaded it. Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with.[/p][/quote]vartag1 says "Finally, if you commit to these pages your vile biliousness regarding the left wing element in society, whether they currently have influence or not, you deserve that which you have been smeared with." i think it's common knowledge on here I support The British National Party, at least their honest, they don't employ people to tell lies to the British voters... You don't half speak a load of rubbish. just like Labour your poor excuse for a political party, The British National Party have the same rights as any other Legal British Political Party, or is it that democracy doesn't work for The British National Party, you agree the NU labour party is not of your liking, but as you say "but like all other things in life, we move on and things change according to circumstances",, well the British National Party are no different, they have moved on, did you check out their policies, if not there will be some changes to them shortly, that'll make more sense in comparison to your Traitorous Labour party that have been responsible for KILLING thousands through illegal wars, your fractions you moaned about are not only those I posted about, there are more paedophiles in your party, I hope you have read the Argus rules about your post to me accusing me of being a Nazi, with no PROOF,you haven't apologised , with respect you need to, you are responsible for your posts Comrade....[/p][/quote]I can only tell you that attempting to embed me within the ranks of Labour by using derogatory and insulting rhetoric, again shows just what a nasty little Nazi you are. I belong to no political party, or movement, I do however abide by the initiating principles of the previous Labour movement that brought much aid and help to the less well off,. deprived, sick and retired. All by use of the democracy extant within our social construct. Referring to the BNP, whatever, and tossing in the word 'democracy' in so doing, sees you obviating the fact that it is democracy that has kept that bunch of thugs out of our overall political arena, shunting it to the sidelines, and leaving it neutralised and impotent. I am well aware of one certain fact however that tends to ruin the argument for 'democratic' elections, and that is, the net of political agenda is cast far too wide and embraces much too much articles to allow for a truly democratic result, as one party or another cannot realistically effect a programme to suit all demands and tastes, politically speaking. That can ONLY be effected by the use of referendums. Most of governmental decision making attends to the ordinary and mundane, but I would prefer that all major decisions, such as entering a conflict, or selling off national assets, should be placed before the electorate. and acted upon according to the wishes of that electorate. So before kicking off on another of your very unwelcome and tiresome tirades about Labour etc maybe you should at least try thinking constructively for a change instead of utilising the brianwashed of your irrational mentality.[/p][/quote]What a waste of oxygen you are, gutless little keyboard troll with half a brain on a good day, better a thug than killers like your Labour Party, thousands of innocent people killed in the name of Labour and democracy, you keep addressing me as a Nazi, how would you like to say that to my face?....[/p][/quote]Well evidentially you are exactly one of those, the evidence comes from your own fingers via your own keyboard, you insist on calling for votes for the BNP, which is, under all descriptions a similar party to the Nazi party, or do you not know what that party stands for, ( or stood for), seeing it is now supposedly defunct, bankrupt, with most of it's leading personnel no longer at the helm? And I see no point in further commenting to or at you, it is a feature of debate that a small amount of castigatory rhetoric may be used, as long as it is written in context with what the correspondent issues, you issued the ammunition by your obvious support of a Nazi organisation, but, and finally, we know you have lost the plot when all you can do is respond with threats, not that your threats mean anything, just like the usual crap from the far right, it's all p*ss and wind. varteg1
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