It looks petty

First published in Letters

THE Newport localised version of Monopoly risks devaluing our city’s nascent global reputation. I refer specifically to the proposed ‘Chance’ card forfeit, to fine players for visiting Cardiff. Such a distasteful feature will portray only the worst insecurities and intolerance of local residents.

Councillor Matthew Evans paradoxically claims that this Monopoly edition will “put Newport on the map for positive reasons” while saying expressing that “I particularly like the idea that you go to jail if you visit Cardiff” (Argus, February 27).

What’s there to like about compulsive narrow-mindedness and even jealousy towards our nation’s capital? Surely Newportians would sooner promote a picture of an open society, of a city that wants stronger ties with neighbouring towns, cities, regions and nations overseas. If you want to reach out to the world, don’t cast your neighbours aside. No other local edition (including a 2005 Swansea release and 2009 Cardiff version) featured derisive statements about other towns. Feel threatened by our big sister to the west? If you really are that insecure, then why publicise that city’s name at all? It would be unthinkable for Newport to get a mention on Cardiff’s version of the game.

Gary Alyis, Coedkernew

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12:34pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Walter Devereux says...

Our Nation's capital is London, not Cardiff.
Our Nation's capital is London, not Cardiff. Walter Devereux
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3:12pm Tue 1 Apr 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Walter Devereux wrote:
Our Nation's capital is London, not Cardiff.
I think you're being a bit pedantic. Normal people will know that Gary is referring to Cardiff being the Capital of Wales. Okay, he's used the word "nation" but use a bit of common sense.....
[quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: Our Nation's capital is London, not Cardiff.[/p][/quote]I think you're being a bit pedantic. Normal people will know that Gary is referring to Cardiff being the Capital of Wales. Okay, he's used the word "nation" but use a bit of common sense..... jimmytheone2
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8:00pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Mervyn James says...

Walter Devereux wrote:
Our Nation's capital is London, not Cardiff.
Cardiff is listed in 'London' as the 'Capitol of Wales'. so that recognizes us as a country too. (You have lived in Monmouthsire too long lol). I think if this monopoly game takes off it SHOULD represent what WE feel about the city,and the 'chance' option could have included Cwmbran too. It will put Newport back on the map and raise the odd smile so why not ? Frankly if we use all what we know and discuss about Newport, it would be a best seller, because people wouldn't believe it could happen...
[quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: Our Nation's capital is London, not Cardiff.[/p][/quote]Cardiff is listed in 'London' as the 'Capitol of Wales'. so that recognizes us as a country too. (You have lived in Monmouthsire too long lol). I think if this monopoly game takes off it SHOULD represent what WE feel about the city,and the 'chance' option could have included Cwmbran too. It will put Newport back on the map and raise the odd smile so why not ? Frankly if we use all what we know and discuss about Newport, it would be a best seller, because people wouldn't believe it could happen... Mervyn James
  • Score: -5

2:04pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Walter Devereux says...

"Cardiff is listed in 'London' as the 'Capitol of Wales'. so that recognizes us as a country too" -- what on earth does that mean? Listed where? By what authority? Being a "capitol" of a sub-national entity does not make that place "The nation's capital"; that is pure pomposity.
"Cardiff is listed in 'London' as the 'Capitol of Wales'. so that recognizes us as a country too" -- what on earth does that mean? Listed where? By what authority? Being a "capitol" of a sub-national entity does not make that place "The nation's capital"; that is pure pomposity. Walter Devereux
  • Score: -1

4:59pm Thu 3 Apr 14

DraigDun says...

Walter Devereux wrote:
"Cardiff is listed in 'London' as the 'Capitol of Wales'. so that recognizes us as a country too" -- what on earth does that mean? Listed where? By what authority? Being a "capitol" of a sub-national entity does not make that place "The nation's capital"; that is pure pomposity.
And our nation's anthem is..............
You can spend a lifetime deliberating over words like 'nation' and 'nation-state' and find plenty of good reasons for naming London our nation-state's capital, our country's capital and our nation's capital. And at the same time, a certain population (the Welsh people/populace/nati
on) that recognises a common language, ancestry and culture, will disagree with you.
[quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: "Cardiff is listed in 'London' as the 'Capitol of Wales'. so that recognizes us as a country too" -- what on earth does that mean? Listed where? By what authority? Being a "capitol" of a sub-national entity does not make that place "The nation's capital"; that is pure pomposity.[/p][/quote]And our nation's anthem is.............. You can spend a lifetime deliberating over words like 'nation' and 'nation-state' and find plenty of good reasons for naming London our nation-state's capital, our country's capital and our nation's capital. And at the same time, a certain population (the Welsh people/populace/nati on) that recognises a common language, ancestry and culture, will disagree with you. DraigDun
  • Score: -1

5:17pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

DraigDun wrote:
Walter Devereux wrote:
"Cardiff is listed in 'London' as the 'Capitol of Wales'. so that recognizes us as a country too" -- what on earth does that mean? Listed where? By what authority? Being a "capitol" of a sub-national entity does not make that place "The nation's capital"; that is pure pomposity.
And our nation's anthem is..............
You can spend a lifetime deliberating over words like 'nation' and 'nation-state' and find plenty of good reasons for naming London our nation-state's capital, our country's capital and our nation's capital. And at the same time, a certain population (the Welsh people/populace/nati

on) that recognises a common language, ancestry and culture, will disagree with you.
The whole 'Welsh nation/country' thing is a convenient invented construct for politicians and media types to squirrel public money off us. Bodies like WAG, S4C and BBC and their public paid employees make millions from it. If you cross from France into Spain you notice the difference in culture/architecture etc immediately. Cross the Severn and it's all the same except the road signs and they are a relatively recent phenomenon. Tradition my back side.
[quote][p][bold]DraigDun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: "Cardiff is listed in 'London' as the 'Capitol of Wales'. so that recognizes us as a country too" -- what on earth does that mean? Listed where? By what authority? Being a "capitol" of a sub-national entity does not make that place "The nation's capital"; that is pure pomposity.[/p][/quote]And our nation's anthem is.............. You can spend a lifetime deliberating over words like 'nation' and 'nation-state' and find plenty of good reasons for naming London our nation-state's capital, our country's capital and our nation's capital. And at the same time, a certain population (the Welsh people/populace/nati on) that recognises a common language, ancestry and culture, will disagree with you.[/p][/quote]The whole 'Welsh nation/country' thing is a convenient invented construct for politicians and media types to squirrel public money off us. Bodies like WAG, S4C and BBC and their public paid employees make millions from it. If you cross from France into Spain you notice the difference in culture/architecture etc immediately. Cross the Severn and it's all the same except the road signs and they are a relatively recent phenomenon. Tradition my back side. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

6:37pm Thu 3 Apr 14

DraigDun says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
DraigDun wrote:
Walter Devereux wrote:
"Cardiff is listed in 'London' as the 'Capitol of Wales'. so that recognizes us as a country too" -- what on earth does that mean? Listed where? By what authority? Being a "capitol" of a sub-national entity does not make that place "The nation's capital"; that is pure pomposity.
And our nation's anthem is..............
You can spend a lifetime deliberating over words like 'nation' and 'nation-state' and find plenty of good reasons for naming London our nation-state's capital, our country's capital and our nation's capital. And at the same time, a certain population (the Welsh people/populace/nati


on) that recognises a common language, ancestry and culture, will disagree with you.
The whole 'Welsh nation/country' thing is a convenient invented construct for politicians and media types to squirrel public money off us. Bodies like WAG, S4C and BBC and their public paid employees make millions from it. If you cross from France into Spain you notice the difference in culture/architecture etc immediately. Cross the Severn and it's all the same except the road signs and they are a relatively recent phenomenon. Tradition my back side.
Regardless of YOUR opinions on what constitutes Welsh national identity and whether or not it's all one big conspiracy, the terms 'nation', 'nationhood', 'nation-state', 'country', 'nationality', 'identity', 'region', etc. carry loose definitions and many overlapping connotations. If one individual chooses to employ those terms in a certain stylistic way to make a certain point, no-one can judge it as incorrect usage.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DraigDun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: "Cardiff is listed in 'London' as the 'Capitol of Wales'. so that recognizes us as a country too" -- what on earth does that mean? Listed where? By what authority? Being a "capitol" of a sub-national entity does not make that place "The nation's capital"; that is pure pomposity.[/p][/quote]And our nation's anthem is.............. You can spend a lifetime deliberating over words like 'nation' and 'nation-state' and find plenty of good reasons for naming London our nation-state's capital, our country's capital and our nation's capital. And at the same time, a certain population (the Welsh people/populace/nati on) that recognises a common language, ancestry and culture, will disagree with you.[/p][/quote]The whole 'Welsh nation/country' thing is a convenient invented construct for politicians and media types to squirrel public money off us. Bodies like WAG, S4C and BBC and their public paid employees make millions from it. If you cross from France into Spain you notice the difference in culture/architecture etc immediately. Cross the Severn and it's all the same except the road signs and they are a relatively recent phenomenon. Tradition my back side.[/p][/quote]Regardless of YOUR opinions on what constitutes Welsh national identity and whether or not it's all one big conspiracy, the terms 'nation', 'nationhood', 'nation-state', 'country', 'nationality', 'identity', 'region', etc. carry loose definitions and many overlapping connotations. If one individual chooses to employ those terms in a certain stylistic way to make a certain point, no-one can judge it as incorrect usage. DraigDun
  • Score: -1

7:47pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Mervyn James says...

we have own flag, own capitol, and own anthem and a protected language and culture, (recognized by Westminster who gave the welsh S4C). If I consider where I live wales, and my fellow peers as Welshman, and I live in a country called wales there is no-one to say differently. It's ludicrous to insist we are English !
we have own flag, own capitol, and own anthem and a protected language and culture, (recognized by Westminster who gave the welsh S4C). If I consider where I live wales, and my fellow peers as Welshman, and I live in a country called wales there is no-one to say differently. It's ludicrous to insist we are English ! Mervyn James
  • Score: -2

10:04pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

DraigDun wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
DraigDun wrote:
Walter Devereux wrote:
"Cardiff is listed in 'London' as the 'Capitol of Wales'. so that recognizes us as a country too" -- what on earth does that mean? Listed where? By what authority? Being a "capitol" of a sub-national entity does not make that place "The nation's capital"; that is pure pomposity.
And our nation's anthem is..............
You can spend a lifetime deliberating over words like 'nation' and 'nation-state' and find plenty of good reasons for naming London our nation-state's capital, our country's capital and our nation's capital. And at the same time, a certain population (the Welsh people/populace/nati



on) that recognises a common language, ancestry and culture, will disagree with you.
The whole 'Welsh nation/country' thing is a convenient invented construct for politicians and media types to squirrel public money off us. Bodies like WAG, S4C and BBC and their public paid employees make millions from it. If you cross from France into Spain you notice the difference in culture/architecture etc immediately. Cross the Severn and it's all the same except the road signs and they are a relatively recent phenomenon. Tradition my back side.
Regardless of YOUR opinions on what constitutes Welsh national identity and whether or not it's all one big conspiracy, the terms 'nation', 'nationhood', 'nation-state', 'country', 'nationality', 'identity', 'region', etc. carry loose definitions and many overlapping connotations. If one individual chooses to employ those terms in a certain stylistic way to make a certain point, no-one can judge it as incorrect usage.
Make it up you mean?
[quote][p][bold]DraigDun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DraigDun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: "Cardiff is listed in 'London' as the 'Capitol of Wales'. so that recognizes us as a country too" -- what on earth does that mean? Listed where? By what authority? Being a "capitol" of a sub-national entity does not make that place "The nation's capital"; that is pure pomposity.[/p][/quote]And our nation's anthem is.............. You can spend a lifetime deliberating over words like 'nation' and 'nation-state' and find plenty of good reasons for naming London our nation-state's capital, our country's capital and our nation's capital. And at the same time, a certain population (the Welsh people/populace/nati on) that recognises a common language, ancestry and culture, will disagree with you.[/p][/quote]The whole 'Welsh nation/country' thing is a convenient invented construct for politicians and media types to squirrel public money off us. Bodies like WAG, S4C and BBC and their public paid employees make millions from it. If you cross from France into Spain you notice the difference in culture/architecture etc immediately. Cross the Severn and it's all the same except the road signs and they are a relatively recent phenomenon. Tradition my back side.[/p][/quote]Regardless of YOUR opinions on what constitutes Welsh national identity and whether or not it's all one big conspiracy, the terms 'nation', 'nationhood', 'nation-state', 'country', 'nationality', 'identity', 'region', etc. carry loose definitions and many overlapping connotations. If one individual chooses to employ those terms in a certain stylistic way to make a certain point, no-one can judge it as incorrect usage.[/p][/quote]Make it up you mean? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

10:19pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
we have own flag, own capitol, and own anthem and a protected language and culture, (recognized by Westminster who gave the welsh S4C). If I consider where I live wales, and my fellow peers as Welshman, and I live in a country called wales there is no-one to say differently. It's ludicrous to insist we are English !
Indeed Mervyn. Just as there is no-one to say you can't believe in Father Christmas, the tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny. I've no doubt that Carwyn, your imaginary friend, will enjoy your belief all the way to his £80K pension and chauffeured car. By the way, did you know that Sacramento has been the capital of California around 100 years longer than Wales has had any kind of capital? Some tradition. Not.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: we have own flag, own capitol, and own anthem and a protected language and culture, (recognized by Westminster who gave the welsh S4C). If I consider where I live wales, and my fellow peers as Welshman, and I live in a country called wales there is no-one to say differently. It's ludicrous to insist we are English ![/p][/quote]Indeed Mervyn. Just as there is no-one to say you can't believe in Father Christmas, the tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny. I've no doubt that Carwyn, your imaginary friend, will enjoy your belief all the way to his £80K pension and chauffeured car. By the way, did you know that Sacramento has been the capital of California around 100 years longer than Wales has had any kind of capital? Some tradition. Not. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

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