NHS truths

First published in Letters

THE SURVEY of NHS regions makes unpleasant, if not unexpected, reading. Less money being invested in the Welsh NHS means an inferior service. This confirms all the criticisms by the Prime Minister (and also Labour MP Ann Clwyd).

And please, Mr Carwyn Jones, don’t try to say it’s an attack on staff. It’s right on your doorstep, for throwing away funds on policies like £52m on Cardiff Airport, and subsidising students in Wales. The chickens have finally come home to roost!

John Wilde Churchmead Bassaleg

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1:29pm Mon 21 Apr 14

welshannie says...

the reason for a so called inferior service is self evidently due to the lack of funding.what do you expect with the nasty party and their puppet s in charge.the service would be much better run with better funding,however patients seem pretty satisfied overall,we may have longer waiting times but the service we get from hospitals ,doctors,and nurses locally is ist class,i should point out that there is also less money going to the english nhs due to tory cuts.the only money they seem to be putting into to health is to help private enterprise to take it over.
the reason for a so called inferior service is self evidently due to the lack of funding.what do you expect with the nasty party and their puppet s in charge.the service would be much better run with better funding,however patients seem pretty satisfied overall,we may have longer waiting times but the service we get from hospitals ,doctors,and nurses locally is ist class,i should point out that there is also less money going to the english nhs due to tory cuts.the only money they seem to be putting into to health is to help private enterprise to take it over. welshannie
  • Score: -5

3:04pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

welshannie wrote:
the reason for a so called inferior service is self evidently due to the lack of funding.what do you expect with the nasty party and their puppet s in charge.the service would be much better run with better funding,however patients seem pretty satisfied overall,we may have longer waiting times but the service we get from hospitals ,doctors,and nurses locally is ist class,i should point out that there is also less money going to the english nhs due to tory cuts.the only money they seem to be putting into to health is to help private enterprise to take it over.
Are you saying that the patients who died on those long waiting lists for heart treatment are satisfied? Presumably you surveyed their opinions through a medium then. You cannot blame the Tories for decisions like the buying of, or subsidising of Cardiff Airport, they opposed it. You can blame that and subsidising student tuition fees for falling health and education standards here on Labour. Wales is a one party state. And in a right state at that. Surprise.
[quote][p][bold]welshannie[/bold] wrote: the reason for a so called inferior service is self evidently due to the lack of funding.what do you expect with the nasty party and their puppet s in charge.the service would be much better run with better funding,however patients seem pretty satisfied overall,we may have longer waiting times but the service we get from hospitals ,doctors,and nurses locally is ist class,i should point out that there is also less money going to the english nhs due to tory cuts.the only money they seem to be putting into to health is to help private enterprise to take it over.[/p][/quote]Are you saying that the patients who died on those long waiting lists for heart treatment are satisfied? Presumably you surveyed their opinions through a medium then. You cannot blame the Tories for decisions like the buying of, or subsidising of Cardiff Airport, they opposed it. You can blame that and subsidising student tuition fees for falling health and education standards here on Labour. Wales is a one party state. And in a right state at that. Surprise. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 7

3:33pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Stevenboy says...

welshannie wrote:
the reason for a so called inferior service is self evidently due to the lack of funding.what do you expect with the nasty party and their puppet s in charge.the service would be much better run with better funding,however patients seem pretty satisfied overall,we may have longer waiting times but the service we get from hospitals ,doctors,and nurses locally is ist class,i should point out that there is also less money going to the english nhs due to tory cuts.the only money they seem to be putting into to health is to help private enterprise to take it over.
You Labour nodding donkeys are clearly too blind to see that Wales has a budget, and that every penny that is spent on tuition fee subsidies, Welsh Language everything, Cardiff Airport, 700 additional servants for WAG, Carwyn's jollys to far flung places etc, all come from that pot. Given that you can only spend it once, then you clearly can't spend those sums on health as well. Explain to me how THAT is the Tories fault? Or don't Socialists do sums? Of course they don't.
[quote][p][bold]welshannie[/bold] wrote: the reason for a so called inferior service is self evidently due to the lack of funding.what do you expect with the nasty party and their puppet s in charge.the service would be much better run with better funding,however patients seem pretty satisfied overall,we may have longer waiting times but the service we get from hospitals ,doctors,and nurses locally is ist class,i should point out that there is also less money going to the english nhs due to tory cuts.the only money they seem to be putting into to health is to help private enterprise to take it over.[/p][/quote]You Labour nodding donkeys are clearly too blind to see that Wales has a budget, and that every penny that is spent on tuition fee subsidies, Welsh Language everything, Cardiff Airport, 700 additional servants for WAG, Carwyn's jollys to far flung places etc, all come from that pot. Given that you can only spend it once, then you clearly can't spend those sums on health as well. Explain to me how THAT is the Tories fault? Or don't Socialists do sums? Of course they don't. Stevenboy
  • Score: 5

5:31pm Mon 21 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

Another example of Labour divided over Wales.
Another example of Labour divided over Wales. pwlldu
  • Score: 1

7:03pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Mervyn James says...

We know the NHS in Wales is dire, but it simply reflects the English NHS, except they have fewer excuses. If we want to play Cameron's games, let us look into staffordshire etc and let him justify what went on there. FYI England has a Tory rule.... lets face it you cannot make an effective NHS without funding and staff, and Wales has neither. It will be dead in 5-8yrs. If Cameron did not enable 40% of foreign Dr's to practice here despite being unable to match our own Dr requirements.... or make themselves understood..... And he justifies teachers to our kids with no qualifications too, then asks why they perform so badly. Nothing you have quoted Cameron and Co do not do as well. I don't justify it, I do suggest you inject some balance into your points. Not a single critic of the WAG has suggested a viable alternative.
We know the NHS in Wales is dire, but it simply reflects the English NHS, except they have fewer excuses. If we want to play Cameron's games, let us look into staffordshire etc and let him justify what went on there. FYI England has a Tory rule.... lets face it you cannot make an effective NHS without funding and staff, and Wales has neither. It will be dead in 5-8yrs. If Cameron did not enable 40% of foreign Dr's to practice here despite being unable to match our own Dr requirements.... or make themselves understood..... And he justifies teachers to our kids with no qualifications too, then asks why they perform so badly. Nothing you have quoted Cameron and Co do not do as well. I don't justify it, I do suggest you inject some balance into your points. Not a single critic of the WAG has suggested a viable alternative. Mervyn James
  • Score: -5

8:01pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Frankfurt says...

The long waits for diagnostic services and for treatment are worrying. And it is true that the Nuffield Foundation's recent survey showed a correlation between the amount spent and the effectiveness of the service. No surprise there because that's what you would expect. And it showed that in the North East of England, which the Nuffield people surveyed as a sub-set of the English data, that increasing spending can significantly improve results. It is said that the NE England is more like Wales, Scotland and NI than England overall and a fairer comparison.

But to say that the NHS in Wales is "dire" is not true. I say that both on the basis of my personal experience and on the evidence of the Nuffield report. It's available on the web and I suggest reading it for an objective judgement not biased by politics.
The long waits for diagnostic services and for treatment are worrying. And it is true that the Nuffield Foundation's recent survey showed a correlation between the amount spent and the effectiveness of the service. No surprise there because that's what you would expect. And it showed that in the North East of England, which the Nuffield people surveyed as a sub-set of the English data, that increasing spending can significantly improve results. It is said that the NE England is more like Wales, Scotland and NI than England overall and a fairer comparison. But to say that the NHS in Wales is "dire" is not true. I say that both on the basis of my personal experience and on the evidence of the Nuffield report. It's available on the web and I suggest reading it for an objective judgement not biased by politics. Frankfurt
  • Score: 1

10:04pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
We know the NHS in Wales is dire, but it simply reflects the English NHS, except they have fewer excuses. If we want to play Cameron's games, let us look into staffordshire etc and let him justify what went on there. FYI England has a Tory rule.... lets face it you cannot make an effective NHS without funding and staff, and Wales has neither. It will be dead in 5-8yrs. If Cameron did not enable 40% of foreign Dr's to practice here despite being unable to match our own Dr requirements.... or make themselves understood..... And he justifies teachers to our kids with no qualifications too, then asks why they perform so badly. Nothing you have quoted Cameron and Co do not do as well. I don't justify it, I do suggest you inject some balance into your points. Not a single critic of the WAG has suggested a viable alternative.
Cameron wasn't even PM when Mid Staffs happened. And most foreign doctors arrived under the last Labour government. If you can't even get basic facts like that right why would anyone read your posts?
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: We know the NHS in Wales is dire, but it simply reflects the English NHS, except they have fewer excuses. If we want to play Cameron's games, let us look into staffordshire etc and let him justify what went on there. FYI England has a Tory rule.... lets face it you cannot make an effective NHS without funding and staff, and Wales has neither. It will be dead in 5-8yrs. If Cameron did not enable 40% of foreign Dr's to practice here despite being unable to match our own Dr requirements.... or make themselves understood..... And he justifies teachers to our kids with no qualifications too, then asks why they perform so badly. Nothing you have quoted Cameron and Co do not do as well. I don't justify it, I do suggest you inject some balance into your points. Not a single critic of the WAG has suggested a viable alternative.[/p][/quote]Cameron wasn't even PM when Mid Staffs happened. And most foreign doctors arrived under the last Labour government. If you can't even get basic facts like that right why would anyone read your posts? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 3

10:26am Tue 22 Apr 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Is Mr Wilde referring to the recent survey of NHS regions which categorically stated that there are strengths and weaknesses of the NHS in each area of Britain, and that no one area is worse than any other?

Don't believe the tory lies about the NHS in Wales. It's purely political scaremongering, and denigrates the hardworking GP's, nurses and hospital staff in Wales.
Is Mr Wilde referring to the recent survey of NHS regions which categorically stated that there are strengths and weaknesses of the NHS in each area of Britain, and that no one area is worse than any other? Don't believe the tory lies about the NHS in Wales. It's purely political scaremongering, and denigrates the hardworking GP's, nurses and hospital staff in Wales. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: -1

11:11am Tue 22 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Is Mr Wilde referring to the recent survey of NHS regions which categorically stated that there are strengths and weaknesses of the NHS in each area of Britain, and that no one area is worse than any other?

Don't believe the tory lies about the NHS in Wales. It's purely political scaremongering, and denigrates the hardworking GP's, nurses and hospital staff in Wales.
You aren't related to one of the over 100 dead cardiac patients or Ann Clwyd either then.
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Is Mr Wilde referring to the recent survey of NHS regions which categorically stated that there are strengths and weaknesses of the NHS in each area of Britain, and that no one area is worse than any other? Don't believe the tory lies about the NHS in Wales. It's purely political scaremongering, and denigrates the hardworking GP's, nurses and hospital staff in Wales.[/p][/quote]You aren't related to one of the over 100 dead cardiac patients or Ann Clwyd either then. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 3

1:50pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Frankfurt says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Is Mr Wilde referring to the recent survey of NHS regions which categorically stated that there are strengths and weaknesses of the NHS in each area of Britain, and that no one area is worse than any other?

Don't believe the tory lies about the NHS in Wales. It's purely political scaremongering, and denigrates the hardworking GP's, nurses and hospital staff in Wales.
You aren't related to one of the over 100 dead cardiac patients or Ann Clwyd either then.
He's probably not related to the 1,000 patients that die of preventable acute kidney injury in English hospitals each week either.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Is Mr Wilde referring to the recent survey of NHS regions which categorically stated that there are strengths and weaknesses of the NHS in each area of Britain, and that no one area is worse than any other? Don't believe the tory lies about the NHS in Wales. It's purely political scaremongering, and denigrates the hardworking GP's, nurses and hospital staff in Wales.[/p][/quote]You aren't related to one of the over 100 dead cardiac patients or Ann Clwyd either then.[/p][/quote]He's probably not related to the 1,000 patients that die of preventable acute kidney injury in English hospitals each week either. Frankfurt
  • Score: 3

1:54pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Frankfurt says...

Sorry that should be 1,000 each month not each week (15,000 to 40,000 per year according to a report published today.)
Sorry that should be 1,000 each month not each week (15,000 to 40,000 per year according to a report published today.) Frankfurt
  • Score: 1

2:13pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Frankfurt wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Is Mr Wilde referring to the recent survey of NHS regions which categorically stated that there are strengths and weaknesses of the NHS in each area of Britain, and that no one area is worse than any other?

Don't believe the tory lies about the NHS in Wales. It's purely political scaremongering, and denigrates the hardworking GP's, nurses and hospital staff in Wales.
You aren't related to one of the over 100 dead cardiac patients or Ann Clwyd either then.
He's probably not related to the 1,000 patients that die of preventable acute kidney injury in English hospitals each week either.
Wasn't quite my point. If there is no discernible difference in Welsh and English healthcare, then why are we wasting a fortune here on another layer of bureaucracy from which it is patently obvious, patients haven't benefitted? Hand control of it back to Westminster and get rid of the Drayford and his posse of ineffective civil servants. And spend their salaries and office costs on healthcare.
[quote][p][bold]Frankfurt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Is Mr Wilde referring to the recent survey of NHS regions which categorically stated that there are strengths and weaknesses of the NHS in each area of Britain, and that no one area is worse than any other? Don't believe the tory lies about the NHS in Wales. It's purely political scaremongering, and denigrates the hardworking GP's, nurses and hospital staff in Wales.[/p][/quote]You aren't related to one of the over 100 dead cardiac patients or Ann Clwyd either then.[/p][/quote]He's probably not related to the 1,000 patients that die of preventable acute kidney injury in English hospitals each week either.[/p][/quote]Wasn't quite my point. If there is no discernible difference in Welsh and English healthcare, then why are we wasting a fortune here on another layer of bureaucracy from which it is patently obvious, patients haven't benefitted? Hand control of it back to Westminster and get rid of the Drayford and his posse of ineffective civil servants. And spend their salaries and office costs on healthcare. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 0

10:54pm Tue 22 Apr 14

scraptheWAG says...

merv you are blind and blinkered come on wake up labour are having you on have you benefitted from devolution no the only ones that did are carwyn and co
merv you are blind and blinkered come on wake up labour are having you on have you benefitted from devolution no the only ones that did are carwyn and co scraptheWAG
  • Score: 0

11:11pm Tue 22 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

Problem with the NHS is the wrong party in government and not the Welsh Assembly. Just has the problem with the public sector cuts is not Westminster but the Tories in government. The war in Iraq was Labours fault and not Westminster. Labour have got the wrong policies with Health, education and job creation. Why because they can afford to take Wales for granted, with such a grip over the people who are afraid to change. They still believe Labour is a socialist party.
Problem with the NHS is the wrong party in government and not the Welsh Assembly. Just has the problem with the public sector cuts is not Westminster but the Tories in government. The war in Iraq was Labours fault and not Westminster. Labour have got the wrong policies with Health, education and job creation. Why because they can afford to take Wales for granted, with such a grip over the people who are afraid to change. They still believe Labour is a socialist party. pwlldu
  • Score: -2

11:25am Wed 23 Apr 14

Frankfurt says...

The latest English NHS scandal is in the newspapers today. A pensioner died in Hartlepool waiting 2 hours for an ambulance and following 7 999 calls. I doubt that Cameron will ever mention this case. If it was in Wales you wouldn't ever hear the last of it.
The latest English NHS scandal is in the newspapers today. A pensioner died in Hartlepool waiting 2 hours for an ambulance and following 7 999 calls. I doubt that Cameron will ever mention this case. If it was in Wales you wouldn't ever hear the last of it. Frankfurt
  • Score: 0

1:36pm Wed 23 Apr 14

county mad says...

Mervyn James wrote:
We know the NHS in Wales is dire, but it simply reflects the English NHS, except they have fewer excuses. If we want to play Cameron's games, let us look into staffordshire etc and let him justify what went on there. FYI England has a Tory rule.... lets face it you cannot make an effective NHS without funding and staff, and Wales has neither. It will be dead in 5-8yrs. If Cameron did not enable 40% of foreign Dr's to practice here despite being unable to match our own Dr requirements.... or make themselves understood..... And he justifies teachers to our kids with no qualifications too, then asks why they perform so badly. Nothing you have quoted Cameron and Co do not do as well. I don't justify it, I do suggest you inject some balance into your points. Not a single critic of the WAG has suggested a viable alternative.
you idiot staffordshire nhs problems occurred under the last Labour govt and its obsession with targets ,which impacted on patient (lack of) care . This obsession with ticking boxes caused ludicrous situations like refusing treatment because not enough LGBT patients had been treated. I t was the 'nasty 'party that exposed this scandal , now the labour taffiia are desperately trying to hide the unpleasant truth about the welsh NHS. This shower had two main responsibilties health and education and they have failed miserably on both its nothing to do with Westminster
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: We know the NHS in Wales is dire, but it simply reflects the English NHS, except they have fewer excuses. If we want to play Cameron's games, let us look into staffordshire etc and let him justify what went on there. FYI England has a Tory rule.... lets face it you cannot make an effective NHS without funding and staff, and Wales has neither. It will be dead in 5-8yrs. If Cameron did not enable 40% of foreign Dr's to practice here despite being unable to match our own Dr requirements.... or make themselves understood..... And he justifies teachers to our kids with no qualifications too, then asks why they perform so badly. Nothing you have quoted Cameron and Co do not do as well. I don't justify it, I do suggest you inject some balance into your points. Not a single critic of the WAG has suggested a viable alternative.[/p][/quote]you idiot staffordshire nhs problems occurred under the last Labour govt and its obsession with targets ,which impacted on patient (lack of) care . This obsession with ticking boxes caused ludicrous situations like refusing treatment because not enough LGBT patients had been treated. I t was the 'nasty 'party that exposed this scandal , now the labour taffiia are desperately trying to hide the unpleasant truth about the welsh NHS. This shower had two main responsibilties health and education and they have failed miserably on both its nothing to do with Westminster county mad
  • Score: 1

1:39pm Wed 23 Apr 14

county mad says...

Frankfurt wrote:
The latest English NHS scandal is in the newspapers today. A pensioner died in Hartlepool waiting 2 hours for an ambulance and following 7 999 calls. I doubt that Cameron will ever mention this case. If it was in Wales you wouldn't ever hear the last of it.
well you read it and as parliament is in recess might explain the lack of comment .there is more than enough incompetant bungling in wales to hit the headlines for the next millenium your wonderful labour party have failed miserably this is one incident against hundreds
[quote][p][bold]Frankfurt[/bold] wrote: The latest English NHS scandal is in the newspapers today. A pensioner died in Hartlepool waiting 2 hours for an ambulance and following 7 999 calls. I doubt that Cameron will ever mention this case. If it was in Wales you wouldn't ever hear the last of it.[/p][/quote]well you read it and as parliament is in recess might explain the lack of comment .there is more than enough incompetant bungling in wales to hit the headlines for the next millenium your wonderful labour party have failed miserably this is one incident against hundreds county mad
  • Score: 0

2:12pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Frankfurt says...

county mad wrote:
Frankfurt wrote:
The latest English NHS scandal is in the newspapers today. A pensioner died in Hartlepool waiting 2 hours for an ambulance and following 7 999 calls. I doubt that Cameron will ever mention this case. If it was in Wales you wouldn't ever hear the last of it.
well you read it and as parliament is in recess might explain the lack of comment .there is more than enough incompetant bungling in wales to hit the headlines for the next millenium your wonderful labour party have failed miserably this is one incident against hundreds
If you believe that you live in cloud cuckoo land. You really do.The full story concerning the gentleman in Hartlepool includes an admission by a representative of the ambulance service to the coroner that the service is under resourced and it is a national (meaning all England) problem. So this is very unlikely to be an isolated incident. But don't let your prejudice get in the way of the truth.

And I've never once mentioned the Labour party.
[quote][p][bold]county mad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankfurt[/bold] wrote: The latest English NHS scandal is in the newspapers today. A pensioner died in Hartlepool waiting 2 hours for an ambulance and following 7 999 calls. I doubt that Cameron will ever mention this case. If it was in Wales you wouldn't ever hear the last of it.[/p][/quote]well you read it and as parliament is in recess might explain the lack of comment .there is more than enough incompetant bungling in wales to hit the headlines for the next millenium your wonderful labour party have failed miserably this is one incident against hundreds[/p][/quote]If you believe that you live in cloud cuckoo land. You really do.The full story concerning the gentleman in Hartlepool includes an admission by a representative of the ambulance service to the coroner that the service is under resourced and it is a national (meaning all England) problem. So this is very unlikely to be an isolated incident. But don't let your prejudice get in the way of the truth. And I've never once mentioned the Labour party. Frankfurt
  • Score: 0

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