What is welfare?

First published in Letters

THE RELENTLESS demonisation of the recipients of benefits in this country in recent years…” (Scandal of food banks, SWA April 16), only works because something like 70 per cent of the population supports the government in its cruel and vindictive campaign against those who have fallen upon hard times.

Sadly, most UK citizens get far more indignant about so-called welfare scroungers than they do about tax dodgers, although the sums of money involved in the latter case are far greater. It doesn’t help that too many people believe that welfare payments are far more generous than they actually are, a belief cynically encouraged by this government as part of its ‘divide and rule’ strategy.

Apart from old-age pensioners, the biggest single class of benefit recipients are people in work, who earn so little (below a living wage) that the state is obliged to top up these earnings. If it is supposed that an employer paying these low wages would be forced out of business if made to pay a living wage, then in effect that employer is being subsidised by the state. A form of welfare you are not likely to hear Tory politicians complain about.

Clive Shakeshell Lewis Way, Chepstow

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6:49pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Mervyn James says...

employers have the government over a barrel. They can utilise cheap migrant labour, or simply move operations to Europe where despite their claims, countries there support lower wages to undercut us. It's the price we pay being in europe, better out than in, and when/if the referendum comes around, then goodbye Europe. I cannot understand when at the time the vote was put to Britain to join, no-one seen all this coming. We should use job-protection laws to support our own, if manufacturers and other employers want to sell to the UK, then, they must use UK labour, protectionist ? why not ? Europe does it in every country there, it is only the UK they don't like doing it ! Regardless of the scare stories, no-one will take any notice about buying and selling goods and services, if the equality and service is right, we can still sell to Europe, pit them against their own bloc and let THEM tell each other they cannot buy British. I'd like to see cash support only allocated to businesses here on the work condition too, and, a guarantee if they try to pull out with the cash we freeze their assets. We don't need to pay people to set up shop here, we may as well pay our own as do that.
employers have the government over a barrel. They can utilise cheap migrant labour, or simply move operations to Europe where despite their claims, countries there support lower wages to undercut us. It's the price we pay being in europe, better out than in, and when/if the referendum comes around, then goodbye Europe. I cannot understand when at the time the vote was put to Britain to join, no-one seen all this coming. We should use job-protection laws to support our own, if manufacturers and other employers want to sell to the UK, then, they must use UK labour, protectionist ? why not ? Europe does it in every country there, it is only the UK they don't like doing it ! Regardless of the scare stories, no-one will take any notice about buying and selling goods and services, if the equality and service is right, we can still sell to Europe, pit them against their own bloc and let THEM tell each other they cannot buy British. I'd like to see cash support only allocated to businesses here on the work condition too, and, a guarantee if they try to pull out with the cash we freeze their assets. We don't need to pay people to set up shop here, we may as well pay our own as do that. Mervyn James
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7:58pm Thu 24 Apr 14

scraptheWAG says...

clive you do know that welfare that is meant to be a temporary thing i know under labour it was more like a career choice
clive you do know that welfare that is meant to be a temporary thing i know under labour it was more like a career choice scraptheWAG
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10:34am Fri 25 Apr 14

Bobevans says...

Mervyn James wrote:
employers have the government over a barrel. They can utilise cheap migrant labour, or simply move operations to Europe where despite their claims, countries there support lower wages to undercut us. It's the price we pay being in europe, better out than in, and when/if the referendum comes around, then goodbye Europe. I cannot understand when at the time the vote was put to Britain to join, no-one seen all this coming. We should use job-protection laws to support our own, if manufacturers and other employers want to sell to the UK, then, they must use UK labour, protectionist ? why not ? Europe does it in every country there, it is only the UK they don't like doing it ! Regardless of the scare stories, no-one will take any notice about buying and selling goods and services, if the equality and service is right, we can still sell to Europe, pit them against their own bloc and let THEM tell each other they cannot buy British. I'd like to see cash support only allocated to businesses here on the work condition too, and, a guarantee if they try to pull out with the cash we freeze their assets. We don't need to pay people to set up shop here, we may as well pay our own as do that.
I suggest you vote UKIP as that is the only way you will get that. The EU specifically bars what you suggest
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: employers have the government over a barrel. They can utilise cheap migrant labour, or simply move operations to Europe where despite their claims, countries there support lower wages to undercut us. It's the price we pay being in europe, better out than in, and when/if the referendum comes around, then goodbye Europe. I cannot understand when at the time the vote was put to Britain to join, no-one seen all this coming. We should use job-protection laws to support our own, if manufacturers and other employers want to sell to the UK, then, they must use UK labour, protectionist ? why not ? Europe does it in every country there, it is only the UK they don't like doing it ! Regardless of the scare stories, no-one will take any notice about buying and selling goods and services, if the equality and service is right, we can still sell to Europe, pit them against their own bloc and let THEM tell each other they cannot buy British. I'd like to see cash support only allocated to businesses here on the work condition too, and, a guarantee if they try to pull out with the cash we freeze their assets. We don't need to pay people to set up shop here, we may as well pay our own as do that.[/p][/quote]I suggest you vote UKIP as that is the only way you will get that. The EU specifically bars what you suggest Bobevans
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10:34am Sun 27 Apr 14

scraptheWAG says...

Bobevans wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
employers have the government over a barrel. They can utilise cheap migrant labour, or simply move operations to Europe where despite their claims, countries there support lower wages to undercut us. It's the price we pay being in europe, better out than in, and when/if the referendum comes around, then goodbye Europe. I cannot understand when at the time the vote was put to Britain to join, no-one seen all this coming. We should use job-protection laws to support our own, if manufacturers and other employers want to sell to the UK, then, they must use UK labour, protectionist ? why not ? Europe does it in every country there, it is only the UK they don't like doing it ! Regardless of the scare stories, no-one will take any notice about buying and selling goods and services, if the equality and service is right, we can still sell to Europe, pit them against their own bloc and let THEM tell each other they cannot buy British. I'd like to see cash support only allocated to businesses here on the work condition too, and, a guarantee if they try to pull out with the cash we freeze their assets. We don't need to pay people to set up shop here, we may as well pay our own as do that.
I suggest you vote UKIP as that is the only way you will get that. The EU specifically bars what you suggest
no merv votes labour as his father did
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: employers have the government over a barrel. They can utilise cheap migrant labour, or simply move operations to Europe where despite their claims, countries there support lower wages to undercut us. It's the price we pay being in europe, better out than in, and when/if the referendum comes around, then goodbye Europe. I cannot understand when at the time the vote was put to Britain to join, no-one seen all this coming. We should use job-protection laws to support our own, if manufacturers and other employers want to sell to the UK, then, they must use UK labour, protectionist ? why not ? Europe does it in every country there, it is only the UK they don't like doing it ! Regardless of the scare stories, no-one will take any notice about buying and selling goods and services, if the equality and service is right, we can still sell to Europe, pit them against their own bloc and let THEM tell each other they cannot buy British. I'd like to see cash support only allocated to businesses here on the work condition too, and, a guarantee if they try to pull out with the cash we freeze their assets. We don't need to pay people to set up shop here, we may as well pay our own as do that.[/p][/quote]I suggest you vote UKIP as that is the only way you will get that. The EU specifically bars what you suggest[/p][/quote]no merv votes labour as his father did scraptheWAG
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