Beyond God

THE BBC once carried an interview with a scientist who declared, that today’s civilisation has moved beyond the need to explain the universe, earth and civilisation in terms of God. In one sense, that is true: our atheistic society attempts to describe existence by excluding any reference to God. Scientists sometimes, in their eagerness to express their latest ideas, can overlook logic and common sense in the same way that advocates of a literal biblical interpretation can stumble towards error. The Big Bang Theory had many supporters, not all of whom can explain how complete nothingness can explode.

These days, some scientists are engaged in trying to prove or disprove a selection of theories related to the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. It is easy to say “I believe and that’s that”, but human beings want concrete evidence even when it is difficult to obtain. Theology and science are poor bedfellows at moments of true mystery, when God alone as the answer. The resurrection makes sense of non-sense, but we cannot devise a scientific explanation of the details. We must wait for eternity to discover how God brought it about. Until then, it is a mystery at the roots of our Christianity.

Norman Plaisted Vivian Road Newport

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5:02pm Thu 24 Apr 14

varteg1 says...

My, you do bang on.

When mankind was primitive it could not explain natural phenomena, so some bright spark with eyes to the main chance came up with the concept of a divine cause, this notion spread from tribe to tribe, or maybe was conceived quite independently, wherever people congregated.
You can waffle on forever about those aspects invented by the religious control freaks, the glory of things to come, resurrection and whatever else comes to mind, but most people today no longer accept what you are saying, a vast number accept the inevitability of life...death... with nothing thereafter.



It must have been moments in time for the corruption to creep in as the brightest rationalised it was, due to the inherent fears of the primitive mind, a easy route to having the best that was on offer, food, females etc by creating not just the god concept, but al;so what the fictional god would do to anyone who failed to follow whatever rules were being made in the name of than 'god'.

Here we are, many millennia later still scared of the shadow invented by uneducated, primitives, with hardly any change to the original concept, still putting rationality, logic and reason to one side as we trail into whatever sort of temple, church, mosque, or synagogue out of a fear complex we cannot seem to dispense with.

Science has proven to me, in sufficient quantity , and I suggest to millions of others the same, with far more concrete proof, that which is the current level of accepted data regarding the commencement of everything. maybe a few details to tie it all together are still being sought, but no matter what bit is left to discover, what is already in science data banks by far outweigh any possibility of the cause being divine.

Put away your primitive nonsense and come in to the light of reason, as you say.....

.....We must wait for eternity to discover how God brought it about. Until then, it is a mystery at the roots of our Christianity.....

for myself I know I am not prepared to wait for eternity to prove anything. my time here is short, and getting shorter by the day, I will cease to exist just as all living matter ceases, but as a sentient being, my termination will be less troublesome to MY mind knowing there is NO resurrection, or awakening, beyond my final gasp for breath.

My corporeal self will return to the star dust from which it is constructed, my mental self, my ego, will simply flicker out like the ephemeral candle flame does when the last micrometer of wick burns away the last quantity of wax.
My, you do bang on. When mankind was primitive it could not explain natural phenomena, so some bright spark with eyes to the main chance came up with the concept of a divine cause, this notion spread from tribe to tribe, or maybe was conceived quite independently, wherever people congregated. You can waffle on forever about those aspects invented by the religious control freaks, the glory of things to come, resurrection and whatever else comes to mind, but most people today no longer accept what you are saying, a vast number accept the inevitability of life...death... with nothing thereafter. It must have been moments in time for the corruption to creep in as the brightest rationalised it was, due to the inherent fears of the primitive mind, a easy route to having the best that was on offer, food, females etc by creating not just the god concept, but al;so what the fictional god would do to anyone who failed to follow whatever rules were being made in the name of than 'god'. Here we are, many millennia later still scared of the shadow invented by uneducated, primitives, with hardly any change to the original concept, still putting rationality, logic and reason to one side as we trail into whatever sort of temple, church, mosque, or synagogue out of a fear complex we cannot seem to dispense with. Science has proven to me, in sufficient quantity , and I suggest to millions of others the same, with far more concrete proof, that which is the current level of accepted data regarding the commencement of everything. maybe a few details to tie it all together are still being sought, but no matter what bit is left to discover, what is already in science data banks by far outweigh any possibility of the cause being divine. Put away your primitive nonsense and come in to the light of reason, as you say..... .....We must wait for eternity to discover how God brought it about. Until then, it is a mystery at the roots of our Christianity..... for myself I know I am not prepared to wait for eternity to prove anything. my time here is short, and getting shorter by the day, I will cease to exist just as all living matter ceases, but as a sentient being, my termination will be less troublesome to MY mind knowing there is NO resurrection, or awakening, beyond my final gasp for breath. My corporeal self will return to the star dust from which it is constructed, my mental self, my ego, will simply flicker out like the ephemeral candle flame does when the last micrometer of wick burns away the last quantity of wax. varteg1
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9:26pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Hmmm... I find as of yet unexplainable phenomena such as near death experiences highly amusing in that they seem to confound both the scientific and religious communities. If out-of-body experiences are proof of life after death then since people seem to have them irrespective of religious belief or even if they're not religious at all then it demonstrates that religion is a complete waste of time. It show that people are not going to go burn in hell for eternity if they happen to be of a different religion. If true, it shows that it makes no difference if a person is straight or gay, cis or trans - we actually live on after death but most living people can't see us or communicate with us. The completely instant out of body experiences that occur when our physical selves are clearly dead also fly in the face of most religious teachings as most religions tell us that we will not be resurrected to eternal life until a Messiah or a Day of Judgement takes place. Recent scientific studies which suggest that animals also have out of body experiences when they are clinically dead similarly put paid to the bizarre and totally unfounded religious doctrine that animals do not have souls. Moreover, I have met and spoken to a considerable number of very ordinary, completely sane people who have recounted how they have seen ghosts or even an apparition of a dead loved one. Both religion and science are human-made ways of trying to make sense of the world. Although there is much to be learned from them, neither comes anywhere near to proving or disproving that there is a God. Not even the possibility of life after death necessarily means that following on from that there must be a divine being that orders the universe. It always surprises me that so many atheists seem to think that because they don't believe in a God then they must totally discount the belief that there is an afterlife. Since to date we're nowhere near 100 per cent close to having absolute proof of either, isn't it as possible for either to exist without the other as it is for both to exist together or neither to exist at all?
Hmmm... I find as of yet unexplainable phenomena such as near death experiences highly amusing in that they seem to confound both the scientific and religious communities. If out-of-body experiences are proof of life after death then since people seem to have them irrespective of religious belief or even if they're not religious at all then it demonstrates that religion is a complete waste of time. It show that people are not going to go burn in hell for eternity if they happen to be of a different religion. If true, it shows that it makes no difference if a person is straight or gay, cis or trans - we actually live on after death but most living people can't see us or communicate with us. The completely instant out of body experiences that occur when our physical selves are clearly dead also fly in the face of most religious teachings as most religions tell us that we will not be resurrected to eternal life until a Messiah or a Day of Judgement takes place. Recent scientific studies which suggest that animals also have out of body experiences when they are clinically dead similarly put paid to the bizarre and totally unfounded religious doctrine that animals do not have souls. Moreover, I have met and spoken to a considerable number of very ordinary, completely sane people who have recounted how they have seen ghosts or even an apparition of a dead loved one. Both religion and science are human-made ways of trying to make sense of the world. Although there is much to be learned from them, neither comes anywhere near to proving or disproving that there is a God. Not even the possibility of life after death necessarily means that following on from that there must be a divine being that orders the universe. It always surprises me that so many atheists seem to think that because they don't believe in a God then they must totally discount the belief that there is an afterlife. Since to date we're nowhere near 100 per cent close to having absolute proof of either, isn't it as possible for either to exist without the other as it is for both to exist together or neither to exist at all? Katie Re-Registered
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6:52pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Mervyn James says...

Science is the new God ? God help us all....
Science is the new God ? God help us all.... Mervyn James
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10:02pm Sun 27 Apr 14

varteg1 says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Science is the new God ? God help us all....
Well for sure when considering the amount of medical, engineering, and other general scientific help we are in receipt of from our technical experts, I suggest the god of science does indeed help us all.

For sure the god you referred to has done nothing to help us along for millennia., nor is likely to at any time in the future.
If anything the application of the formulaic creeds that constantly whine on about the fantasy figure they bow down to, has caused the human race far more harm than science ever has, or will do, and that takes into account all the bombs, guns and other war paraphernalia we have subjected our race to.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Science is the new God ? God help us all....[/p][/quote]Well for sure when considering the amount of medical, engineering, and other general scientific help we are in receipt of from our technical experts, I suggest the god of science does indeed help us all. For sure the god you referred to has done nothing to help us along for millennia., nor is likely to at any time in the future. If anything the application of the formulaic creeds that constantly whine on about the fantasy figure they bow down to, has caused the human race far more harm than science ever has, or will do, and that takes into account all the bombs, guns and other war paraphernalia we have subjected our race to. varteg1
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