Wrong priority

First published in Letters

YVONNE Balakrishnan states, letters 7/5/14, that 40,000 residents of Gwent speak Welsh.

I am sincerely delighted to hear that.

But! For the life of me I cannot see how that figure justifies what must be, the millions of pounds spent on that relatively small percentage of the population.

All recent surveys show that the language is still in decline. It is not good enough to refer to the figures stated without giving due regard to that simple fact.

Daily we are attacked by cuts upon cuts to our public funding.

When one hears of the hardships being experienced by the sick, the elderly, very young, the unemployed and homeless one cannot help feeling that the priorities, as demanded by the Welsh Nationalists, are all wrong.

Surely Ms Balakrishnan, and they, must agree that the failing return for the massive investment in the Welsh language, does not justify any effect on the brutal hardships now in evidence all around us?

Len Price Gwent

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12:35pm Mon 12 May 14

-trigg- says...

I would dispute teh claimed 40,000 figure. Is this supposed to be the number of people who speak Welsh fluently on a daily basis, or does it include anyone who once learnt how to say "good morning" or count to 5 in the language, regardless of whether they've retained that knowledge.

It would be more useful to know how many people (if any) are fluent in Welsh but are not able to speak English, since these are the only people who would be genuinely benefitted by the current farcical and expensive dual language arrangements.
I would dispute teh claimed 40,000 figure. Is this supposed to be the number of people who speak Welsh fluently on a daily basis, or does it include anyone who once learnt how to say "good morning" or count to 5 in the language, regardless of whether they've retained that knowledge. It would be more useful to know how many people (if any) are fluent in Welsh but are not able to speak English, since these are the only people who would be genuinely benefitted by the current farcical and expensive dual language arrangements. -trigg-
  • Score: 11

12:45pm Mon 12 May 14

Banjalucka says...

Once again the topic kicks off. Never 40,000 welsh fluent speakers
Once again the topic kicks off. Never 40,000 welsh fluent speakers Banjalucka
  • Score: 12

9:14am Tue 13 May 14

Mervyn James says...

-trigg- wrote:
I would dispute teh claimed 40,000 figure. Is this supposed to be the number of people who speak Welsh fluently on a daily basis, or does it include anyone who once learnt how to say "good morning" or count to 5 in the language, regardless of whether they've retained that knowledge.

It would be more useful to know how many people (if any) are fluent in Welsh but are not able to speak English, since these are the only people who would be genuinely benefitted by the current farcical and expensive dual language arrangements.
We teach kids french/italian and even mandarin and Urdu in schools, how many in Wales said they could speak those ? yet we suppress welsh in that favour despite allegations the UK children are just not interested in any foreign language, and still struggling with the basics of own English, little England is alive and still thriving. Bi-lingual people learn other languages much quicker too.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: I would dispute teh claimed 40,000 figure. Is this supposed to be the number of people who speak Welsh fluently on a daily basis, or does it include anyone who once learnt how to say "good morning" or count to 5 in the language, regardless of whether they've retained that knowledge. It would be more useful to know how many people (if any) are fluent in Welsh but are not able to speak English, since these are the only people who would be genuinely benefitted by the current farcical and expensive dual language arrangements.[/p][/quote]We teach kids french/italian and even mandarin and Urdu in schools, how many in Wales said they could speak those ? yet we suppress welsh in that favour despite allegations the UK children are just not interested in any foreign language, and still struggling with the basics of own English, little England is alive and still thriving. Bi-lingual people learn other languages much quicker too. Mervyn James
  • Score: -4

6:55pm Tue 13 May 14

varteg1 says...

Mervyn James wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
I would dispute teh claimed 40,000 figure. Is this supposed to be the number of people who speak Welsh fluently on a daily basis, or does it include anyone who once learnt how to say "good morning" or count to 5 in the language, regardless of whether they've retained that knowledge.

It would be more useful to know how many people (if any) are fluent in Welsh but are not able to speak English, since these are the only people who would be genuinely benefitted by the current farcical and expensive dual language arrangements.
We teach kids french/italian and even mandarin and Urdu in schools, how many in Wales said they could speak those ? yet we suppress welsh in that favour despite allegations the UK children are just not interested in any foreign language, and still struggling with the basics of own English, little England is alive and still thriving. Bi-lingual people learn other languages much quicker too.
Urban mythology again.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: I would dispute teh claimed 40,000 figure. Is this supposed to be the number of people who speak Welsh fluently on a daily basis, or does it include anyone who once learnt how to say "good morning" or count to 5 in the language, regardless of whether they've retained that knowledge. It would be more useful to know how many people (if any) are fluent in Welsh but are not able to speak English, since these are the only people who would be genuinely benefitted by the current farcical and expensive dual language arrangements.[/p][/quote]We teach kids french/italian and even mandarin and Urdu in schools, how many in Wales said they could speak those ? yet we suppress welsh in that favour despite allegations the UK children are just not interested in any foreign language, and still struggling with the basics of own English, little England is alive and still thriving. Bi-lingual people learn other languages much quicker too.[/p][/quote]Urban mythology again. varteg1
  • Score: 5

4:01am Wed 14 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

the sooner the sacred tongue is dead the better
the sooner the sacred tongue is dead the better scraptheWAG
  • Score: -1

9:48am Wed 14 May 14

-trigg- says...

It may well be that bilingual children learn other languages quicker (I have no evidence either way).

In that case, why not give them a head start by teaching them a second language with real-world applications, rather than waiting until they're on their 3rd language to do so?
It may well be that bilingual children learn other languages quicker (I have no evidence either way). In that case, why not give them a head start by teaching them a second language with real-world applications, rather than waiting until they're on their 3rd language to do so? -trigg-
  • Score: 5

10:43am Wed 14 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

-trigg- wrote:
It may well be that bilingual children learn other languages quicker (I have no evidence either way).

In that case, why not give them a head start by teaching them a second language with real-world applications, rather than waiting until they're on their 3rd language to do so?
True but the whole Welsh language debate is populated with a pro lobby who have opinions based entirely on emotion. Your type of logic never enters the debate for them. They all troop around with some dewey-eyed romantic notion of past times and fuel their beliefs on totally fabricated numbers of people who actually speak it. (Like the laughable numbers being quoted for Gwent). If it was alive and kicking you'd not need laws to enforce teaching it in schools to people with no connection with it and S4C would be booming rather that broadcasting most of its programs into fresh air.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: It may well be that bilingual children learn other languages quicker (I have no evidence either way). In that case, why not give them a head start by teaching them a second language with real-world applications, rather than waiting until they're on their 3rd language to do so?[/p][/quote]True but the whole Welsh language debate is populated with a pro lobby who have opinions based entirely on emotion. Your type of logic never enters the debate for them. They all troop around with some dewey-eyed romantic notion of past times and fuel their beliefs on totally fabricated numbers of people who actually speak it. (Like the laughable numbers being quoted for Gwent). If it was alive and kicking you'd not need laws to enforce teaching it in schools to people with no connection with it and S4C would be booming rather that broadcasting most of its programs into fresh air. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 8

10:36pm Sat 17 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Mervyn James wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
I would dispute teh claimed 40,000 figure. Is this supposed to be the number of people who speak Welsh fluently on a daily basis, or does it include anyone who once learnt how to say "good morning" or count to 5 in the language, regardless of whether they've retained that knowledge.

It would be more useful to know how many people (if any) are fluent in Welsh but are not able to speak English, since these are the only people who would be genuinely benefitted by the current farcical and expensive dual language arrangements.
We teach kids french/italian and even mandarin and Urdu in schools, how many in Wales said they could speak those ? yet we suppress welsh in that favour despite allegations the UK children are just not interested in any foreign language, and still struggling with the basics of own English, little England is alive and still thriving. Bi-lingual people learn other languages much quicker too.
Morning Merv. Lovely morning. Same horse same jockey same race huh. Seems the discussion never goes away huh. So after three separate posts and over one hundred responses, the only thing you can trot out is that we teach kids other languages too. But Welsh is the only MANDATORY one up to GCSE. Give the kids the option to CHOOSE which second language they want to learn and then maybe your claim that bi lingual kids learn quicker might be proven. Nobody wants to suppress the language. People want the best education options for their kids from an ever limited budget. It's called bang for your buck Merv. We're still waiting answers from the previous posts but none of the pro welsh language movement seem to be able to string anything resembling a justified, factual response that can JUSTIFY MILLIONS of pounds going into the black hole of Welshism at its worst. Face it. You can't brain wash kids into forcing them to use a language that is in serious decline.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: I would dispute teh claimed 40,000 figure. Is this supposed to be the number of people who speak Welsh fluently on a daily basis, or does it include anyone who once learnt how to say "good morning" or count to 5 in the language, regardless of whether they've retained that knowledge. It would be more useful to know how many people (if any) are fluent in Welsh but are not able to speak English, since these are the only people who would be genuinely benefitted by the current farcical and expensive dual language arrangements.[/p][/quote]We teach kids french/italian and even mandarin and Urdu in schools, how many in Wales said they could speak those ? yet we suppress welsh in that favour despite allegations the UK children are just not interested in any foreign language, and still struggling with the basics of own English, little England is alive and still thriving. Bi-lingual people learn other languages much quicker too.[/p][/quote]Morning Merv. Lovely morning. Same horse same jockey same race huh. Seems the discussion never goes away huh. So after three separate posts and over one hundred responses, the only thing you can trot out is that we teach kids other languages too. But Welsh is the only MANDATORY one up to GCSE. Give the kids the option to CHOOSE which second language they want to learn and then maybe your claim that bi lingual kids learn quicker might be proven. Nobody wants to suppress the language. People want the best education options for their kids from an ever limited budget. It's called bang for your buck Merv. We're still waiting answers from the previous posts but none of the pro welsh language movement seem to be able to string anything resembling a justified, factual response that can JUSTIFY MILLIONS of pounds going into the black hole of Welshism at its worst. Face it. You can't brain wash kids into forcing them to use a language that is in serious decline. landyman3030
  • Score: 5

11:53am Sun 18 May 14

Carwyn Jones says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
the sooner the sacred tongue is dead the better
Go away you pointless little oik.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: the sooner the sacred tongue is dead the better[/p][/quote]Go away you pointless little oik. Carwyn Jones
  • Score: -2

12:06pm Sun 18 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
I would dispute teh claimed 40,000 figure. Is this supposed to be the number of people who speak Welsh fluently on a daily basis, or does it include anyone who once learnt how to say "good morning" or count to 5 in the language, regardless of whether they've retained that knowledge.

It would be more useful to know how many people (if any) are fluent in Welsh but are not able to speak English, since these are the only people who would be genuinely benefitted by the current farcical and expensive dual language arrangements.
We teach kids french/italian and even mandarin and Urdu in schools, how many in Wales said they could speak those ? yet we suppress welsh in that favour despite allegations the UK children are just not interested in any foreign language, and still struggling with the basics of own English, little England is alive and still thriving. Bi-lingual people learn other languages much quicker too.
Morning Merv. Lovely morning. Same horse same jockey same race huh. Seems the discussion never goes away huh. So after three separate posts and over one hundred responses, the only thing you can trot out is that we teach kids other languages too. But Welsh is the only MANDATORY one up to GCSE. Give the kids the option to CHOOSE which second language they want to learn and then maybe your claim that bi lingual kids learn quicker might be proven. Nobody wants to suppress the language. People want the best education options for their kids from an ever limited budget. It's called bang for your buck Merv. We're still waiting answers from the previous posts but none of the pro welsh language movement seem to be able to string anything resembling a justified, factual response that can JUSTIFY MILLIONS of pounds going into the black hole of Welshism at its worst. Face it. You can't brain wash kids into forcing them to use a language that is in serious decline.
Good post but when did the pro lobby EVER engage with facts and logic. It's based on emotion for them. Dragons, women is shawls and stove pipe hats and guys dressed in silk linen reciting mythical tripe which, ok is all manufactured but they believe in it. It's a bit like the Easter bunny for adults.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: I would dispute teh claimed 40,000 figure. Is this supposed to be the number of people who speak Welsh fluently on a daily basis, or does it include anyone who once learnt how to say "good morning" or count to 5 in the language, regardless of whether they've retained that knowledge. It would be more useful to know how many people (if any) are fluent in Welsh but are not able to speak English, since these are the only people who would be genuinely benefitted by the current farcical and expensive dual language arrangements.[/p][/quote]We teach kids french/italian and even mandarin and Urdu in schools, how many in Wales said they could speak those ? yet we suppress welsh in that favour despite allegations the UK children are just not interested in any foreign language, and still struggling with the basics of own English, little England is alive and still thriving. Bi-lingual people learn other languages much quicker too.[/p][/quote]Morning Merv. Lovely morning. Same horse same jockey same race huh. Seems the discussion never goes away huh. So after three separate posts and over one hundred responses, the only thing you can trot out is that we teach kids other languages too. But Welsh is the only MANDATORY one up to GCSE. Give the kids the option to CHOOSE which second language they want to learn and then maybe your claim that bi lingual kids learn quicker might be proven. Nobody wants to suppress the language. People want the best education options for their kids from an ever limited budget. It's called bang for your buck Merv. We're still waiting answers from the previous posts but none of the pro welsh language movement seem to be able to string anything resembling a justified, factual response that can JUSTIFY MILLIONS of pounds going into the black hole of Welshism at its worst. Face it. You can't brain wash kids into forcing them to use a language that is in serious decline.[/p][/quote]Good post but when did the pro lobby EVER engage with facts and logic. It's based on emotion for them. Dragons, women is shawls and stove pipe hats and guys dressed in silk linen reciting mythical tripe which, ok is all manufactured but they believe in it. It's a bit like the Easter bunny for adults. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 7

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