Scary cyclists

First published in Letters

A CYCLIST with an apparent death wish missed my front bumper by an inch as he flashed past my car at the Old Green roundabout.

Looking to the right for a gap, I did not expect a cyclist to come the wrong way from the left. This took place at about 3.20pm on June 5. A second cycling incident happened at the really busy Maindee Festival when I was almost mown down by a cyclist – a young man cut in front of me and sped around, dodging the families and young children. Who are these young men and what is being done to prevent this risky behaviour? They obviously need a cycling activity that provides a challenge for them, but not to other walkers or drivers. What can the readers suggest?

Pat Wright Tunnel Terrace Newport

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12:31pm Fri 13 Jun 14

mkaibear1 says...

Well, shockingly, this behaviour is already illegal and if caught they can be fined.

The solution would appear to be more policemen to catch people who do it - oh and what would also be nice is for them to be able to track down the van driver who kicked me off my bike, the car driver who ran into my rear wheel, the yobbos in cars who shout abuse and throw things.

Unfortunately people do illegal things. It's our responsibility as human beings and road users to avoid accidents as much as possible, to accept the fact that people are stupid and do stupid things and to anticipate that.

...I find if I drive or cycle and assume someone will do something blitheringly idiotic, I am rarely surprised.
Well, shockingly, this behaviour is already illegal and if caught they can be fined. The solution would appear to be more policemen to catch people who do it - oh and what would also be nice is for them to be able to track down the van driver who kicked me off my bike, the car driver who ran into my rear wheel, the yobbos in cars who shout abuse and throw things. Unfortunately people do illegal things. It's our responsibility as human beings and road users to avoid accidents as much as possible, to accept the fact that people are stupid and do stupid things and to anticipate that. ...I find if I drive or cycle and assume someone will do something blitheringly idiotic, I am rarely surprised. mkaibear1
  • Score: 6

2:10pm Fri 13 Jun 14

-trigg- says...

The answer to this continuing problem is for all drivers to start using "dashboad cameras" as they have in Russia and for cyclists to fit cameras to their helmets, with the footage being made available to police so that the guilty party - whether cyclist or motorist - can be punished appropriately. However, that all sounds rather Orwellian to me and I would be very reluctant to bring in any such scheme.
The answer to this continuing problem is for all drivers to start using "dashboad cameras" as they have in Russia and for cyclists to fit cameras to their helmets, with the footage being made available to police so that the guilty party - whether cyclist or motorist - can be punished appropriately. However, that all sounds rather Orwellian to me and I would be very reluctant to bring in any such scheme. -trigg-
  • Score: 6

11:20pm Fri 13 Jun 14

landyman3030 says...

-trigg- wrote:
The answer to this continuing problem is for all drivers to start using "dashboad cameras" as they have in Russia and for cyclists to fit cameras to their helmets, with the footage being made available to police so that the guilty party - whether cyclist or motorist - can be punished appropriately. However, that all sounds rather Orwellian to me and I would be very reluctant to bring in any such scheme.
Unfortunately in these days of feral society where nobody cares what they do or where they do it and many people have no clue what is acceptable to do or not to in our communities I think you are right. Manned CCTV and recording cameras on very street corner seems to be the only defence we law abiding normal people have against the many acts of ASB and criminal actions that take place daily. Many people have no indicator of what is right or wrong anymore and just do what they want.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: The answer to this continuing problem is for all drivers to start using "dashboad cameras" as they have in Russia and for cyclists to fit cameras to their helmets, with the footage being made available to police so that the guilty party - whether cyclist or motorist - can be punished appropriately. However, that all sounds rather Orwellian to me and I would be very reluctant to bring in any such scheme.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately in these days of feral society where nobody cares what they do or where they do it and many people have no clue what is acceptable to do or not to in our communities I think you are right. Manned CCTV and recording cameras on very street corner seems to be the only defence we law abiding normal people have against the many acts of ASB and criminal actions that take place daily. Many people have no indicator of what is right or wrong anymore and just do what they want. landyman3030
  • Score: 5

10:18am Sat 14 Jun 14

maggiesian says...

I know cyclists feel that they are treated very badly, but many of them are quite happy to ignore the law and put walkers in danger. Although they have had tens of thousands of pounds spent exclusively for their benefit, in Cwmcarn Forest, Gethin Wood near Merthyr and many other publically owned places, they still use rights of way which are for walkers only and they expect the walkers to get out of their way. They cycle on pavements and expect the walkers to get out of their way and can be extremely abusive to anyone who does not jump into the brambles or step aside on the pavement.
Some even cut down trees in the forest to build their own fast downhill tracks, ignoring the rights of legal users of the forest and putting them in danger. It is about time that cyclists stopped feeling sorry for themselves and started behaving like responsible members of society.
I know cyclists feel that they are treated very badly, but many of them are quite happy to ignore the law and put walkers in danger. Although they have had tens of thousands of pounds spent exclusively for their benefit, in Cwmcarn Forest, Gethin Wood near Merthyr and many other publically owned places, they still use rights of way which are for walkers only and they expect the walkers to get out of their way. They cycle on pavements and expect the walkers to get out of their way and can be extremely abusive to anyone who does not jump into the brambles or step aside on the pavement. Some even cut down trees in the forest to build their own fast downhill tracks, ignoring the rights of legal users of the forest and putting them in danger. It is about time that cyclists stopped feeling sorry for themselves and started behaving like responsible members of society. maggiesian
  • Score: 3

12:23pm Sat 14 Jun 14

mkaibear1 says...

Don't forget the motorists who break the law. Cyclists get unfairly demonized by some, motorists get unfairly demonized by others, the truth is that every group of road users is as bad as each other.

The difference is that when a car driver does something daft and hits a cyclist, he'll most likely be fine but the cyclist most likely won't. Cycles need more protection than cars because they are more vulnerable - just like pedestrians needing more protection than either because they are more vulnerable still
Don't forget the motorists who break the law. Cyclists get unfairly demonized by some, motorists get unfairly demonized by others, the truth is that every group of road users is as bad as each other. The difference is that when a car driver does something daft and hits a cyclist, he'll most likely be fine but the cyclist most likely won't. Cycles need more protection than cars because they are more vulnerable - just like pedestrians needing more protection than either because they are more vulnerable still mkaibear1
  • Score: 3

11:33pm Sat 14 Jun 14

displayed says...

At the end of the day, whether they drive a car, van, truck, ride a bike motorbike, scooter, quad or even a mob scooter:

Their attitude (or lack of it) to other users will dictate how they behave when they are using a mode of transport which travels faster than a pedestrian!

You cant teach that, its learned and acquired behavior!
At the end of the day, whether they drive a car, van, truck, ride a bike motorbike, scooter, quad or even a mob scooter: Their attitude (or lack of it) to other users will dictate how they behave when they are using a mode of transport which travels faster than a pedestrian! You cant teach that, its learned and acquired behavior! displayed
  • Score: 1

10:44am Sun 15 Jun 14

Mervyn James says...

We're dodging these idiots daily in Maindee, where they shoot straight across the chepstow roads, up the road the wrong way, through red lights and failing that ride the pavements at high speed where we dodge and weave to avoid being run down. I am sorely tempted to stick my foot out and push them over into he road, it's them or me ! They should not be on the pavements at all, what the hell are roads for if they won't use them ? I dodged no less than 4 yesterday and was forced to step into the road to avoid them, the speed they were going was far too fast to be safe too. As usual be it a car or a bike us pedestrians are the lowest form of life, and target number one !
We're dodging these idiots daily in Maindee, where they shoot straight across the chepstow roads, up the road the wrong way, through red lights and failing that ride the pavements at high speed where we dodge and weave to avoid being run down. I am sorely tempted to stick my foot out and push them over into he road, it's them or me ! They should not be on the pavements at all, what the hell are roads for if they won't use them ? I dodged no less than 4 yesterday and was forced to step into the road to avoid them, the speed they were going was far too fast to be safe too. As usual be it a car or a bike us pedestrians are the lowest form of life, and target number one ! Mervyn James
  • Score: 2

5:30pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Bobevans says...

It is time that cyclist had to be licenced, incurred and trained before being allowed on the road. The lack of training and the fact they carry no number plates means they know they can get away with it
It is time that cyclist had to be licenced, incurred and trained before being allowed on the road. The lack of training and the fact they carry no number plates means they know they can get away with it Bobevans
  • Score: 2

5:46pm Sun 15 Jun 14

mkaibear1 says...

Out come the motorist Mafia...

No car driver ever does anything wrong! It's all those evil cyclists!

Can you not accept that every road user does stupid things? There are motorists who break the law (but the vast majority don't) and cyclists who break the law (but the vast majority don't). Your personal perceptions are just that - personal - but when you look at the numbers they don't add up.

Talk of changing the law to remove the right of a cyclist to be on the road is unhelpful and just fosters further the "us-vs-them" mentality. What we need is enforcement of the already existing rules not adding more rules which won't be enforced!
Out come the motorist Mafia... No car driver ever does anything wrong! It's all those evil cyclists! Can you not accept that every road user does stupid things? There are motorists who break the law (but the vast majority don't) and cyclists who break the law (but the vast majority don't). Your personal perceptions are just that - personal - but when you look at the numbers they don't add up. Talk of changing the law to remove the right of a cyclist to be on the road is unhelpful and just fosters further the "us-vs-them" mentality. What we need is enforcement of the already existing rules not adding more rules which won't be enforced! mkaibear1
  • Score: 0

6:28pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Mervyn James says...

If the car is anti-bike or blind drivers are behind the wheel, or bike drivers are ignoring the highway codes then the law has to take issue with them. Why should we as innocent pedestrians be forced to risk life and limb walking the pavements legally, or crossing the roads at proper traffic light areas, it needs effective law enforcement. There are disabled/deaf/blind/
elderly who cannot hear or see these people coming from behind.
If the car is anti-bike or blind drivers are behind the wheel, or bike drivers are ignoring the highway codes then the law has to take issue with them. Why should we as innocent pedestrians be forced to risk life and limb walking the pavements legally, or crossing the roads at proper traffic light areas, it needs effective law enforcement. There are disabled/deaf/blind/ elderly who cannot hear or see these people coming from behind. Mervyn James
  • Score: 2

11:33am Mon 16 Jun 14

Pat Wright says...

Thank you for the constructive comments. There is I think a particular age group of young cyclist who get satisfaction from this sort of risk taking and who are not mature enough to feel empathy for people on road or pavement. It is quite normal behaviour I think as some of you may remember.
My point is. We have a world famous velodrome and some very experienced cyclists in Newport. What constructive ideas do these organisations have ?
Is there already something in place which the police, council or community organisations can work on ?
Thank you for the constructive comments. There is I think a particular age group of young cyclist who get satisfaction from this sort of risk taking and who are not mature enough to feel empathy for people on road or pavement. It is quite normal behaviour I think as some of you may remember. My point is. We have a world famous velodrome and some very experienced cyclists in Newport. What constructive ideas do these organisations have ? Is there already something in place which the police, council or community organisations can work on ? Pat Wright
  • Score: 1

1:19pm Mon 16 Jun 14

throwy1 says...

When I was in Junior School way back in the 1960's we were taught Cycling Proficiency. We were also taught that cyclists used the roads not the pavements and cars overtook bikes without having to indicate or the drivers having to pull out. Perhaps cars have got too big for the roads, by that I mean MPV's, such vehicles are too wide for the average road and why on earth do families of 2 need them?
When I was in Junior School way back in the 1960's we were taught Cycling Proficiency. We were also taught that cyclists used the roads not the pavements and cars overtook bikes without having to indicate or the drivers having to pull out. Perhaps cars have got too big for the roads, by that I mean MPV's, such vehicles are too wide for the average road and why on earth do families of 2 need them? throwy1
  • Score: 0

3:04pm Mon 16 Jun 14

landyman3030 says...

Cycling Proficiency is still taught junior schools and as far as i am aware has been since before my time taking it in the early eighties.
That does not alter the fact that for many years pedestrians and other road users have had to put up with dangerous cyclists ignoring basic road traffic laws like red lights. Same as law abiding cyclists get bullied by inconsiderate motorists who refuse to give cyclists road space.
You can bet the idiots riding illegal motorbikes at breakneck speeds without helmets or insurance on our roads and park lands had the opportunity to take the course and that from the average age of the illegal road users that i see being under 21, it wouldn't have been that long ago.
You can provide all manner of training and education but you can't make them follow the advice.
Cycling Proficiency is still taught junior schools and as far as i am aware has been since before my time taking it in the early eighties. That does not alter the fact that for many years pedestrians and other road users have had to put up with dangerous cyclists ignoring basic road traffic laws like red lights. Same as law abiding cyclists get bullied by inconsiderate motorists who refuse to give cyclists road space. You can bet the idiots riding illegal motorbikes at breakneck speeds without helmets or insurance on our roads and park lands had the opportunity to take the course and that from the average age of the illegal road users that i see being under 21, it wouldn't have been that long ago. You can provide all manner of training and education but you can't make them follow the advice. landyman3030
  • Score: 1

3:55pm Mon 16 Jun 14

pwlldu says...

I save money by eating road kill. Now I have a garage full of bikes.
I save money by eating road kill. Now I have a garage full of bikes. pwlldu
  • Score: -2

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