Circuit concern

First published in Letters

 I NOTE that at last Welsh Government have admitted it is going to pour £30 million more into the Circuit of Wales white elephant on top of the £2 million already spent on the project.

This does not include further millions because of delay due to the allocation/exchange of common land (South Wales Argus 31/5/14) – possibly in the region of another £10 million. Once again, this does not include more tax-payers money being provided to make up for low wages and part-time work if the project gets under way.

Employees will need to apply for working tax credit, child tax credit and in all probability pension credit adding another £20 million to the bill.

To date then, £60 million will have been spent on a project which will provide less that 600 (not 6,000 as was originally estimated) jobs, which includes the construction of the circuit.

In a previous letter, a straw poll conducted in Ebbw Vale not one of the of the interviewees thought this to be a worthwhile project.

The site itself would be under cloud cover for three to four months of the year and the Heads of the Valley road would become a racetrack with ambulances on permanent stand-by.

Once under way, how long will it be before the consortium demands further millions because of underestimation of costings of the work? The Welsh Government will not then be in a position to refuse.

Furthermore, I must admit I am surprised by the naïveté of Friends of the Earth (FOE) (South Wales Argus 4/6/14) in regards to the non-action of Natural Resources Wales (NRW) in conducting assessment of protected species in the area, bearing in mind the Countryside Council for Wales (CCW) was subsumed by the NRW. This is (as was CCW) controlled by the Welsh Government.

Graham Harris Llanellen Abergavenny

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3:48pm Mon 16 Jun 14

pwlldu says...

Alun Davis AM dirty little fingers are all over that one.
Alun Davis AM dirty little fingers are all over that one. pwlldu
  • Score: 7

9:41pm Mon 16 Jun 14

daveglyn says...

What I fail to understand here is that despite the savage cuts imposed by this wicked government , even after buying à airport, thé wag can still open à drawer to find 30 million quid to invest in a private enterprise.
What I fail to understand here is that despite the savage cuts imposed by this wicked government , even after buying à airport, thé wag can still open à drawer to find 30 million quid to invest in a private enterprise. daveglyn
  • Score: 10

5:07am Tue 17 Jun 14

scraptheWAG says...

if it was a viable business it would not need huge slabs of cash from the wag, it like the wag itself will be a disaster most uk circuits loose money every years this will be no different
if it was a viable business it would not need huge slabs of cash from the wag, it like the wag itself will be a disaster most uk circuits loose money every years this will be no different scraptheWAG
  • Score: 6

8:17am Tue 17 Jun 14

Mervyn James says...

daveglyn wrote:
What I fail to understand here is that despite the savage cuts imposed by this wicked government , even after buying à airport, thé wag can still open à drawer to find 30 million quid to invest in a private enterprise.
Newport had to put up 90m for friars walk or we would still be looking at rubble. It also got another £10m from the assembly recently for our town centre. I don't think investing in a car racing track is going to provide any long term investment or create jobs. There were statements from F1 and other areas they wouldn't come to Wales to race, this suggests it is not a viable investment at all. I can just see hordes of Polish lining up for the work creation now.... Unless the investment has strings to ensure WE get the majority of the work I wouldn't want to know. It's our money. Personally I'd rather see this invested in our youth idling away on the streets because of the discriminatory job creation set up that is biased against them by greedy employers.
[quote][p][bold]daveglyn[/bold] wrote: What I fail to understand here is that despite the savage cuts imposed by this wicked government , even after buying à airport, thé wag can still open à drawer to find 30 million quid to invest in a private enterprise.[/p][/quote]Newport had to put up 90m for friars walk or we would still be looking at rubble. It also got another £10m from the assembly recently for our town centre. I don't think investing in a car racing track is going to provide any long term investment or create jobs. There were statements from F1 and other areas they wouldn't come to Wales to race, this suggests it is not a viable investment at all. I can just see hordes of Polish lining up for the work creation now.... Unless the investment has strings to ensure WE get the majority of the work I wouldn't want to know. It's our money. Personally I'd rather see this invested in our youth idling away on the streets because of the discriminatory job creation set up that is biased against them by greedy employers. Mervyn James
  • Score: 5

9:06am Tue 17 Jun 14

landyman3030 says...

Under cloud for three months of the year!!!
Inaccessible for three months of the year. Under cloud cover for another 3 months where you have no visibility and one of the coldest winds known to mankind. This 30 million pounds could be spent on so much more worthwhile projects.
Labour and the WAG still don't see it coming. If they had driven through Tredegar or Ebbw Vale prior to the European elections they would have seen UKIP boards, banners and posters in the gardens which would have been red in colour 2 years ago. If the valleys are changing, let's hope enough actually turn out and vote next year so we can stop the WAG insanity of spending public money on projects that are surely just like the Rassau - blowing in the wind. Get them gone people.
Under cloud for three months of the year!!! Inaccessible for three months of the year. Under cloud cover for another 3 months where you have no visibility and one of the coldest winds known to mankind. This 30 million pounds could be spent on so much more worthwhile projects. Labour and the WAG still don't see it coming. If they had driven through Tredegar or Ebbw Vale prior to the European elections they would have seen UKIP boards, banners and posters in the gardens which would have been red in colour 2 years ago. If the valleys are changing, let's hope enough actually turn out and vote next year so we can stop the WAG insanity of spending public money on projects that are surely just like the Rassau - blowing in the wind. Get them gone people. landyman3030
  • Score: 11

10:06am Tue 17 Jun 14

daveglyn says...

The point that i were trying to make is that,if the cuts are so severe that public services are cut to the bone,how come there is 30 million available for a race track. With regards to the Friars walk development, if this development is to be so lucrative why were the developers unable to raise the investment cash themselves.
The point that i were trying to make is that,if the cuts are so severe that public services are cut to the bone,how come there is 30 million available for a race track. With regards to the Friars walk development, if this development is to be so lucrative why were the developers unable to raise the investment cash themselves. daveglyn
  • Score: 13

10:57am Tue 17 Jun 14

landyman3030 says...

daveglyn wrote:
The point that i were trying to make is that,if the cuts are so severe that public services are cut to the bone,how come there is 30 million available for a race track. With regards to the Friars walk development, if this development is to be so lucrative why were the developers unable to raise the investment cash themselves.
And it's a very good point.
It seems that in these times of austerity there is increasing information that many councils and indeed the WAG themselves have under spent on their current budget leaving them a pool of cash to, in their terminology, "future proof themselves" against further cuts from the UK government. While it is always a good idea to have rainy day money from a personal level up to a national scale, we as the poor, paying public are feeling the sharp end of it on a daily basis.
This racetrack scheme would have attracted private investment if there was profit in it. That's what the investors do as a paying job. Make a profit. Love them or loathe them, they are usually right too.
The WAG time and again have proven that where ever their skills lay, if they possess any, it has nothing do with a profitable business structure.
It's the ONLY point i agree with Cameron on. After 15 years, our NHS is a shambles, our education policy has no successful structure, our communities are struggling with unemployment and unprecedented anti social behaviour levels and emergency services who are becoming more de-moralised by lack of funding and support.
And the answer is to build a race track...........
Come on UKIP, the door is open and the kettle is on. Welcome to Wales.
[quote][p][bold]daveglyn[/bold] wrote: The point that i were trying to make is that,if the cuts are so severe that public services are cut to the bone,how come there is 30 million available for a race track. With regards to the Friars walk development, if this development is to be so lucrative why were the developers unable to raise the investment cash themselves.[/p][/quote]And it's a very good point. It seems that in these times of austerity there is increasing information that many councils and indeed the WAG themselves have under spent on their current budget leaving them a pool of cash to, in their terminology, "future proof themselves" against further cuts from the UK government. While it is always a good idea to have rainy day money from a personal level up to a national scale, we as the poor, paying public are feeling the sharp end of it on a daily basis. This racetrack scheme would have attracted private investment if there was profit in it. That's what the investors do as a paying job. Make a profit. Love them or loathe them, they are usually right too. The WAG time and again have proven that where ever their skills lay, if they possess any, it has nothing do with a profitable business structure. It's the ONLY point i agree with Cameron on. After 15 years, our NHS is a shambles, our education policy has no successful structure, our communities are struggling with unemployment and unprecedented anti social behaviour levels and emergency services who are becoming more de-moralised by lack of funding and support. And the answer is to build a race track........... Come on UKIP, the door is open and the kettle is on. Welcome to Wales. landyman3030
  • Score: 8

2:09pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Good Job No Kids says...

landyman3030 wrote:
daveglyn wrote:
The point that i were trying to make is that,if the cuts are so severe that public services are cut to the bone,how come there is 30 million available for a race track. With regards to the Friars walk development, if this development is to be so lucrative why were the developers unable to raise the investment cash themselves.
And it's a very good point.
It seems that in these times of austerity there is increasing information that many councils and indeed the WAG themselves have under spent on their current budget leaving them a pool of cash to, in their terminology, "future proof themselves" against further cuts from the UK government. While it is always a good idea to have rainy day money from a personal level up to a national scale, we as the poor, paying public are feeling the sharp end of it on a daily basis.
This racetrack scheme would have attracted private investment if there was profit in it. That's what the investors do as a paying job. Make a profit. Love them or loathe them, they are usually right too.
The WAG time and again have proven that where ever their skills lay, if they possess any, it has nothing do with a profitable business structure.
It's the ONLY point i agree with Cameron on. After 15 years, our NHS is a shambles, our education policy has no successful structure, our communities are struggling with unemployment and unprecedented anti social behaviour levels and emergency services who are becoming more de-moralised by lack of funding and support.
And the answer is to build a race track...........
Come on UKIP, the door is open and the kettle is on. Welcome to Wales.
The friars walk debacle is a disaster in the making when queensbury can't secure finance on the finished product (if it even makes it to completion).

I have been warning about the council being saddled with this debt for some time.

In regard to UKIP, perhaps one of those championing their cause could highlight some of their priority economic measures for wales and the uk? In addition to filling skips with immigrants and taking them to landfill?
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]daveglyn[/bold] wrote: The point that i were trying to make is that,if the cuts are so severe that public services are cut to the bone,how come there is 30 million available for a race track. With regards to the Friars walk development, if this development is to be so lucrative why were the developers unable to raise the investment cash themselves.[/p][/quote]And it's a very good point. It seems that in these times of austerity there is increasing information that many councils and indeed the WAG themselves have under spent on their current budget leaving them a pool of cash to, in their terminology, "future proof themselves" against further cuts from the UK government. While it is always a good idea to have rainy day money from a personal level up to a national scale, we as the poor, paying public are feeling the sharp end of it on a daily basis. This racetrack scheme would have attracted private investment if there was profit in it. That's what the investors do as a paying job. Make a profit. Love them or loathe them, they are usually right too. The WAG time and again have proven that where ever their skills lay, if they possess any, it has nothing do with a profitable business structure. It's the ONLY point i agree with Cameron on. After 15 years, our NHS is a shambles, our education policy has no successful structure, our communities are struggling with unemployment and unprecedented anti social behaviour levels and emergency services who are becoming more de-moralised by lack of funding and support. And the answer is to build a race track........... Come on UKIP, the door is open and the kettle is on. Welcome to Wales.[/p][/quote]The friars walk debacle is a disaster in the making when queensbury can't secure finance on the finished product (if it even makes it to completion). I have been warning about the council being saddled with this debt for some time. In regard to UKIP, perhaps one of those championing their cause could highlight some of their priority economic measures for wales and the uk? In addition to filling skips with immigrants and taking them to landfill? Good Job No Kids
  • Score: -4

11:17am Fri 20 Jun 14

landyman3030 says...

Sorry GoodJobNoKids. The use of so many big words in one paragraph has obviously left you light headed and hallucinating that you are in another country. This is the UK. We don't put immigrants in skips. We put them in houses. We don't take them to landfill. We take them to Social Services to give them free health care, free education for their children and the ability to send for more of their brethren.
I am championing the cause of change. If the existing big three would like to make a promise and stick to it of stopping mass, unadulterated immigration into this country whilst installing proper border controls and minimum requirements for even setting foot in our country, i would be seriously interested. But they don't and they won't. They refuse to listen to public opinion when that is the major thing they should be listening to.
If that is the only change that UKIP make from the fools that are there now, it's a start. A fresh start.........
Sorry GoodJobNoKids. The use of so many big words in one paragraph has obviously left you light headed and hallucinating that you are in another country. This is the UK. We don't put immigrants in skips. We put them in houses. We don't take them to landfill. We take them to Social Services to give them free health care, free education for their children and the ability to send for more of their brethren. I am championing the cause of change. If the existing big three would like to make a promise and stick to it of stopping mass, unadulterated immigration into this country whilst installing proper border controls and minimum requirements for even setting foot in our country, i would be seriously interested. But they don't and they won't. They refuse to listen to public opinion when that is the major thing they should be listening to. If that is the only change that UKIP make from the fools that are there now, it's a start. A fresh start......... landyman3030
  • Score: 4

11:26am Fri 20 Jun 14

landyman3030 says...

And as for the debacle you call Friars Walk, it may be trouble brewing but it is the only chance Newport has got of moving forward. I don't want to be in debt to anyone, but when it's okay for the WAG to take us tens of millions in debt with PFI loans for new schools that will take decades to pay off with interest added, why not invest in our City. Somebody has to. Pity your glass is half empty chum. It's negative heads like you that would still have the derelict car park over the bus station with bits bolted together, waiting for the day it came down on it's own. Take the blinkers off and look around.
And as for the debacle you call Friars Walk, it may be trouble brewing but it is the only chance Newport has got of moving forward. I don't want to be in debt to anyone, but when it's okay for the WAG to take us tens of millions in debt with PFI loans for new schools that will take decades to pay off with interest added, why not invest in our City. Somebody has to. Pity your glass is half empty chum. It's negative heads like you that would still have the derelict car park over the bus station with bits bolted together, waiting for the day it came down on it's own. Take the blinkers off and look around. landyman3030
  • Score: 5

7:46am Wed 2 Jul 14

eman1948 says...

Perhaps all you objectionists will put you hands in your pockets and pay the potential 6000 that will remain on the dole a living wage. People like you lot are ruining this country and Wales especially. The area is deprived and needs investment and this is a fantastic idea and has my full support. By the way I fully support the purchase of Wales airport as well but it needs a proper link from the M4 and it would be a very busy airport but the land owning gentry of the Vale will not allow it or you any of you lot either. By the way things are in the pipeline which are good for the airport which will upset the don`t want it to succeed lobby.
Perhaps all you objectionists will put you hands in your pockets and pay the potential 6000 that will remain on the dole a living wage. People like you lot are ruining this country and Wales especially. The area is deprived and needs investment and this is a fantastic idea and has my full support. By the way I fully support the purchase of Wales airport as well but it needs a proper link from the M4 and it would be a very busy airport but the land owning gentry of the Vale will not allow it or you any of you lot either. By the way things are in the pipeline which are good for the airport which will upset the don`t want it to succeed lobby. eman1948
  • Score: 0

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