Name matters

First published in Letters

DURING theGLASGOW’S Commonwealth Games opening ceremony, but in the BBC’s commentary booth. Hazel Irvine committed the cardinal Welsh sin by introduction Team Wales as a “principality”. Years on from the launch of the campaign for Wales’ transition from erroneously (for centuries) being called a principality to a country in its own right, this largely came to a head with an influential international body reclassifying us in 2011. After Our governments confirmed it was out-date.

Does it matter? Who cares whether Wales is described as a principality or a country? Well, it just does. Firstly, in a games where Wales is competing in its own right, among a huge array of countries, territories and dependencies etc, that distinction is all the more important.

Secondly, as Scotland’s independence debate has shown in the cold light of day, if the UK (with or without Scotland) is to continue, there has to be a greater recognition of the part played by each one in it. If Scotland goes, or gets a bunch more power in exchange for staying in the UK, Westminster and London need to wake up and smell the coffee and see its smaller neighbours not as subsidiaries, but as equals.

Andrew Nutt Heolddu Road Bargoed

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2:23pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Walter Devereux says...

The term "country" does not mean anything! It just means a body of land, as in "Black Country" or "West Country". Stop getting so worked up about something that does not matter. I would rather we have a more sensible naming structure in this country, to end the tedious part, principality, province, country debate. The UK is the country, composed of so many parts, the description of which needs to be settled once and for all.
The term "country" does not mean anything! It just means a body of land, as in "Black Country" or "West Country". Stop getting so worked up about something that does not matter. I would rather we have a more sensible naming structure in this country, to end the tedious part, principality, province, country debate. The UK is the country, composed of so many parts, the description of which needs to be settled once and for all. Walter Devereux
  • Score: 11

4:47pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Stevenboy says...

I've got a better idea Mr Nutt. Call it a 'country' when there isn't another 'country ' paying all the bills, ie when it gets full independence. Although, given how skint it would be without its £10b annual subsidy, on top of what is raised in tax here, perhaps Banana Republic might then be more appropriate. Or you could get a life and stop obsessing about things no-one gives a fig about.
I've got a better idea Mr Nutt. Call it a 'country' when there isn't another 'country ' paying all the bills, ie when it gets full independence. Although, given how skint it would be without its £10b annual subsidy, on top of what is raised in tax here, perhaps Banana Republic might then be more appropriate. Or you could get a life and stop obsessing about things no-one gives a fig about. Stevenboy
  • Score: 11

10:05pm Thu 31 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

Stevenboy says... History is full of famous nationalists who put their country first George Washington to Ghandi. One gained independance via violence and the other via peacefull means. Wales was the first country to be joined to England and will be the last to gain its freedom. Stevenboy you have been brainwashed into think the GB idea is the best for Wales.
Stevenboy says... History is full of famous nationalists who put their country first George Washington to Ghandi. One gained independance via violence and the other via peacefull means. Wales was the first country to be joined to England and will be the last to gain its freedom. Stevenboy you have been brainwashed into think the GB idea is the best for Wales. pwlldu
  • Score: -7

10:49pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Stevenboy says...

pwlldu wrote:
Stevenboy says... History is full of famous nationalists who put their country first George Washington to Ghandi. One gained independance via violence and the other via peacefull means. Wales was the first country to be joined to England and will be the last to gain its freedom. Stevenboy you have been brainwashed into think the GB idea is the best for Wales.
Then like I said, get your independence (if you can get a mandate for it), and then, like India and the USA you can call it whatever you like. But if you are just getting off on the sad pretence of nationhood that is just a fantasy well then don't expect everyone who doesn't see the emperors new clothes to join you in it.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Stevenboy says... History is full of famous nationalists who put their country first George Washington to Ghandi. One gained independance via violence and the other via peacefull means. Wales was the first country to be joined to England and will be the last to gain its freedom. Stevenboy you have been brainwashed into think the GB idea is the best for Wales.[/p][/quote]Then like I said, get your independence (if you can get a mandate for it), and then, like India and the USA you can call it whatever you like. But if you are just getting off on the sad pretence of nationhood that is just a fantasy well then don't expect everyone who doesn't see the emperors new clothes to join you in it. Stevenboy
  • Score: 6

7:48pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

Nothing new sadly, when Andy Murray won Wimbledon he was 'British', when he lost he was 'Scottish', on 7 occasions of coverage of welsh athletes taking place and getting medals they were first referred to as 'British' when English competitors won they got the 'Win for England' plaudits... We are welsh first in competition... Id like to see all 4 areas of the UK representing their own country. As we do in rugby and Football, no-one wants in to a British team set up which is England in all but name.....
Nothing new sadly, when Andy Murray won Wimbledon he was 'British', when he lost he was 'Scottish', on 7 occasions of coverage of welsh athletes taking place and getting medals they were first referred to as 'British' when English competitors won they got the 'Win for England' plaudits... We are welsh first in competition... Id like to see all 4 areas of the UK representing their own country. As we do in rugby and Football, no-one wants in to a British team set up which is England in all but name..... Mervyn James
  • Score: -3

5:14pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Nothing new sadly, when Andy Murray won Wimbledon he was 'British', when he lost he was 'Scottish', on 7 occasions of coverage of welsh athletes taking place and getting medals they were first referred to as 'British' when English competitors won they got the 'Win for England' plaudits... We are welsh first in competition... Id like to see all 4 areas of the UK representing their own country. As we do in rugby and Football, no-one wants in to a British team set up which is England in all but name.....
One need not wait long for the Scottish question to be resolved. Six weeks from now in fact. Will self-serving economics triumph over idiotic flag-waving? We'll see.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Nothing new sadly, when Andy Murray won Wimbledon he was 'British', when he lost he was 'Scottish', on 7 occasions of coverage of welsh athletes taking place and getting medals they were first referred to as 'British' when English competitors won they got the 'Win for England' plaudits... We are welsh first in competition... Id like to see all 4 areas of the UK representing their own country. As we do in rugby and Football, no-one wants in to a British team set up which is England in all but name.....[/p][/quote]One need not wait long for the Scottish question to be resolved. Six weeks from now in fact. Will self-serving economics triumph over idiotic flag-waving? We'll see. Stevenboy
  • Score: 3

11:15am Sun 3 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

I'm cheering for the flag wavers....
I'm cheering for the flag wavers.... Mervyn James
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11:58am Sun 3 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

Mervyn James wrote:
I'm cheering for the flag wavers....
A luxury you can fully afford since you can't be impacted by any possible negative financial outcome.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: I'm cheering for the flag wavers....[/p][/quote]A luxury you can fully afford since you can't be impacted by any possible negative financial outcome. Stevenboy
  • Score: 2

10:02pm Sun 3 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

Wales as two types of nationalists 1 a British (second class to the english media and in politics) 2 a Welsh (first class).
Wales as two types of nationalists 1 a British (second class to the english media and in politics) 2 a Welsh (first class). pwlldu
  • Score: -1

10:16am Mon 4 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

I will be cheering on Scottish independance but whatever the out come Scotland will move further away from Wales. Wales will fall deeper into the shadows and away from London's gaze.
I will be cheering on Scottish independance but whatever the out come Scotland will move further away from Wales. Wales will fall deeper into the shadows and away from London's gaze. pwlldu
  • Score: 0

12:05pm Mon 4 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

pwlldu wrote:
I will be cheering on Scottish independance but whatever the out come Scotland will move further away from Wales. Wales will fall deeper into the shadows and away from London's gaze.
Does your persecution complex know no limits? If nationalism is any more use than supporting your favourite sport then explain Ukraine to me. Suppose 51% of Scots vote to leave. You'd still have 49% disgruntled so hardly a panacea for all ills. Added to which, the day after the vote neither side will know if they've taken a leap for better or worse.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: I will be cheering on Scottish independance but whatever the out come Scotland will move further away from Wales. Wales will fall deeper into the shadows and away from London's gaze.[/p][/quote]Does your persecution complex know no limits? If nationalism is any more use than supporting your favourite sport then explain Ukraine to me. Suppose 51% of Scots vote to leave. You'd still have 49% disgruntled so hardly a panacea for all ills. Added to which, the day after the vote neither side will know if they've taken a leap for better or worse. Stevenboy
  • Score: 1

5:53pm Tue 5 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

Stevenboy says... well paid Americans well paid Indians and well paid South Africans all wanted to stay within the British Empire but a lot didn't.
Stevenboy says... well paid Americans well paid Indians and well paid South Africans all wanted to stay within the British Empire but a lot didn't. pwlldu
  • Score: 0

10:49pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

pwlldu wrote:
Stevenboy says... well paid Americans well paid Indians and well paid South Africans all wanted to stay within the British Empire but a lot didn't.
What on earth are you on about?
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Stevenboy says... well paid Americans well paid Indians and well paid South Africans all wanted to stay within the British Empire but a lot didn't.[/p][/quote]What on earth are you on about? Stevenboy
  • Score: 0

9:33pm Sat 9 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

stevenboy people pay their taxes before countries like America became independant Wales was already fighting the Romans, Saxon and Norman invaders.
stevenboy people pay their taxes before countries like America became independant Wales was already fighting the Romans, Saxon and Norman invaders. pwlldu
  • Score: 1

9:39pm Sat 9 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

Stevenboy says...

Does your persecution complex know no limits? If nationalism is any more use than supporting your favourite sport then explain Ukraine to me. Suppose 51% of Scots vote to leave. You'd still have 49% disgruntled so hardly a panacea for all ills. Added to which, the day after the vote neither side will know if they've taken a leap for better or worse.

What your little brain don't understand whenever there is a vote people will always be for and against. When countries gained independance from the British Empire the rich few in those countries wanted to stay, while the poor and the nationlists wanted to leave. Britain slogan id divide and conquer. By religion, wealth or language.
Stevenboy says... Does your persecution complex know no limits? If nationalism is any more use than supporting your favourite sport then explain Ukraine to me. Suppose 51% of Scots vote to leave. You'd still have 49% disgruntled so hardly a panacea for all ills. Added to which, the day after the vote neither side will know if they've taken a leap for better or worse. What your little brain don't understand whenever there is a vote people will always be for and against. When countries gained independance from the British Empire the rich few in those countries wanted to stay, while the poor and the nationlists wanted to leave. Britain slogan id divide and conquer. By religion, wealth or language. pwlldu
  • Score: 1

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